Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Hi All Been having a real tough time lately and wondered if any of you lovely parents have any ideas i havent tried. Harry started on aciclovir back in March, at the same time (already toilet trained back in 2008) he taught himself to stand and pee in the toilet but this went on to peeing (and pooing) on the floor, i thought initially yeast and upped my yeast protocol but now im wondering if it is sensory and he likes the way it hits the floor or even my reaction (as in the past he has been attention seeking) I have tried every way possible to deal with the situation and the thing is when we are out of the house he doesnt have accidents then, any ideas would be gratefully appreciated, im willing to try anything that i havent already. Thanks in Advance x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Hi We used to have this problem with Luke years ago. Luke was also toilet trained, but started peeing and sometimes pooing on the floor – nightmare!!! My house smelt of wee!! I think for us the problem was a control thing. Luke was going through a difficult time and I think the more he knew we wanted him to wee in the toilet, the more he wee’d on the floor. Another aspect was, I think that he did like the sensory way of how the wee hit the floor – Luke’s favourite thing was weeing down the stairs – and I think that was just fun for him to see the pee cascading down the stairs. Things we did – was to completely ignore when he wee’d on the floor and where possible not even wipe it up in front of him or if we did, very nonchantly! This was difficult for me – but luckily we had very old carpets so it didn’t really matter. We also bought a portable toilet and kept it in the playroom so he had very easy access to a toilet. Plus he quite liked to pull the lever which slid across to let the wee fall into the bottom. Another thing we did was to try and give him as many opportunities to let him play with water with lots of different tubes, toys etc. When I went to see Donna talk, I asked her what I should do about the problem – in particular the weeing down the stairs (nightmare to clean every stair) – and she suggested getting a half pipe which ran from the top of the stairs to the bottom and let him run water down it! We never actually did this – but did do lots of water play. I think these changes definitely helped and he did stop weeing on the floor. You have my sympathies – I know exactly what you are going through – I was paranoid my house smelt of wee (probably did) – but thankfully it only lasted weeks and did eventually stop. So remember this is just a dip and he will come through and stop doing it. Good luck Nicx From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of michelle laceySent: 18 July 2012 07:07To: autism-biomedical-europe Subject: Peeing on the floor Hi All Been having a real tough time lately and wondered if any of you lovely parents have any ideas i havent tried. Harry started on aciclovir back in March, at the same time (already toilet trained back in 2008) he taught himself to stand and pee in the toilet but this went on to peeing (and pooing) on the floor, i thought initially yeast and upped my yeast protocol but now im wondering if it is sensory and he likes the way it hits the floor or even my reaction (as in the past he has been attention seeking) I have tried every way possible to deal with the situation and the thing is when we are out of the house he doesnt have accidents then, any ideas would be gratefully appreciated, im willing to try anything that i havent already. Thanks in Advance x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Hi Nic Yes paranoia is my middle name right now, scrubbing the floors at least twice a day for the fear that my house is now smelling like an old peoples home! Lucky for us we have wooden/ceramic or lino flooring that he is mostly doing it on, although earlier today i left him eating his dinner to go to the toilet myself come back to find him peeing over the dining chair he was sat on! Thankfully he hasnt been peeing down the stairs (yet!!!!) although has pee'd on the carpet out side his room and the bathroom so i cut that piece of carpet away as it stank, like yours it is a very old carpet which i need to replace and cant afford to (thankfully, as i think it would be wasted money right now) I have gone back to basics with toilet training him again today, rewarding when he goes and he would go, have the treat then i turn my back and he would go some more on the floor, im just hoping it is a passing faze and will hurry up and pass hopefully before i go completely barmy, the pooing on the floor seems to be less and less now (dare i say this and tempt fate!) I will certainly give the water play a go and see if that helps as i do think it is the whole liking the way he can aim & fire his hose as this "behaviour" goes hand in hand with him teaching himself he can stand up and pee in the toilet, once he worked that out its like he thought, ok i can now do this anywhere! Thanks for the idea & thanks for the good luck wishes, somehow i think i am going to be needing them! x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: n.trotman@...Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:27:16 +0100Subject: RE: Peeing on the floor Hi We used to have this problem with Luke years ago. Luke was also toilet trained, but started peeing and sometimes pooing on the floor – nightmare!!! My house smelt of wee!! I think for us the problem was a control thing. Luke was going through a difficult time and I think the more he knew we wanted him to wee in the toilet, the more he wee’d on the floor. Another aspect was, I think that he did like the sensory way of how the wee hit the floor – Luke’s favourite thing was weeing down the stairs – and I think that was just fun for him to see the pee cascading down the stairs. Things we did – was to completely ignore when he wee’d on the floor and where possible not even wipe it up in front of him or if we did, very nonchantly! This was difficult for me – but luckily we had very old carpets so it didn’t really matter. We also bought a portable toilet and kept it in the playroom so he had very easy access to a toilet. Plus he quite liked to pull the lever which slid across to let the wee fall into the bottom. Another thing we did was to try and give him as many opportunities to let him play with water with lots of different tubes, toys etc. When I went to see Donna talk, I asked her what I should do about the problem – in particular the weeing down the stairs (nightmare to clean every stair) – and she suggested getting a half pipe which ran from the top of the stairs to the bottom and let him run water down it! We never actually did this – but did do lots of water play. I think these changes definitely helped and he did stop weeing on the floor. You have my sympathies – I know exactly what you are going through – I was paranoid my house smelt of wee (probably did) – but thankfully it only lasted weeks and did eventually stop. So remember this is just a dip and he will come through and stop doing it. Good luck Nicx From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of michelle laceySent: 18 July 2012 07:07To: autism-biomedical-europe Subject: Peeing on the floor Hi All Been having a real tough time lately and wondered if any of you lovely parents have any ideas i havent tried. Harry started on aciclovir back in March, at the same time (already toilet trained back in 2008) he taught himself to stand and pee in the toilet but this went on to peeing (and pooing) on the floor, i thought initially yeast and upped my yeast protocol but now im wondering if it is sensory and he likes the way it hits the floor or even my reaction (as in the past he has been attention seeking) I have tried every way possible to deal with the situation and the thing is when we are out of the house he doesnt have accidents then, any ideas would be gratefully appreciated, im willing to try anything that i havent already. Thanks in Advance x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Hi Do you think it could be a control thing – the more he knows you want him to use the toilet the more he doesn’t? If you think it may be – the other thing I would perhaps consider is not rewarding him when he uses the toilet. We wouldn’t show any celebration at all / give any reinforcement to Luke as this would let him know it was something we wanted him to do! This may not apply to your son at all – but I thought I would mention just in case. Take careNicxx From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of michelle laceySent: 18 July 2012 21:15To: autism-biomedical-europe Subject: RE: Peeing on the floor Hi Nic Yes paranoia is my middle name right now, scrubbing the floors at least twice a day for the fear that my house is now smelling like an old peoples home! Lucky for us we have wooden/ceramic or lino flooring that he is mostly doing it on, although earlier today i left him eating his dinner to go to the toilet myself come back to find him peeing over the dining chair he was sat on! Thankfully he hasnt been peeing down the stairs (yet!!!!) although has pee'd on the carpet out side his room and the bathroom so i cut that piece of carpet away as it stank, like yours it is a very old carpet which i need to replace and cant afford to (thankfully, as i think it would be wasted money right now) I have gone back to basics with toilet training him again today, rewarding when he goes and he would go, have the treat then i turn my back and he would go some more on the floor, im just hoping it is a passing faze and will hurry up and pass hopefully before i go completely barmy, the pooing on the floor seems to be less and less now (dare i say this and tempt fate!) I will certainly give the water play a go and see if that helps as i do think it is the whole liking the way he can aim & fire his hose as this " behaviour " goes hand in hand with him teaching himself he can stand up and pee in the toilet, once he worked that out its like he thought, ok i can now do this anywhere! Thanks for the idea & thanks for the good luck wishes, somehow i think i am going to be needing them! x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: n.trotman@...Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:27:16 +0100Subject: RE: Peeing on the floor Hi We used to have this problem with Luke years ago. Luke was also toilet trained, but started peeing and sometimes pooing on the floor – nightmare!!! My house smelt of wee!! I think for us the problem was a control thing. Luke was going through a difficult time and I think the more he knew we wanted him to wee in the toilet, the more he wee’d on the floor. Another aspect was, I think that he did like the sensory way of how the wee hit the floor – Luke’s favourite thing was weeing down the stairs – and I think that was just fun for him to see the pee cascading down the stairs. Things we did – was to completely ignore when he wee’d on the floor and where possible not even wipe it up in front of him or if we did, very nonchantly! This was difficult for me – but luckily we had very old carpets so it didn’t really matter. We also bought a portable toilet and kept it in the playroom so he had very easy access to a toilet. Plus he quite liked to pull the lever which slid across to let the wee fall into the bottom. Another thing we did was to try and give him as many opportunities to let him play with water with lots of different tubes, toys etc. When I went to see Donna talk, I asked her what I should do about the problem – in particular the weeing down the stairs (nightmare to clean every stair) – and she suggested getting a half pipe which ran from the top of the stairs to the bottom and let him run water down it! We never actually did this – but did do lots of water play. I think these changes definitely helped and he did stop weeing on the floor. You have my sympathies – I know exactly what you are going through – I was paranoid my house smelt of wee (probably did) – but thankfully it only lasted weeks and did eventually stop. So remember this is just a dip and he will come through and stop doing it. Good luck Nicx From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of michelle laceySent: 18 July 2012 07:07To: autism-biomedical-europe Subject: Peeing on the floor Hi All Been having a real tough time lately and wondered if any of you lovely parents have any ideas i havent tried. Harry started on aciclovir back in March, at the same time (already toilet trained back in 2008) he taught himself to stand and pee in the toilet but this went on to peeing (and pooing) on the floor, i thought initially yeast and upped my yeast protocol but now im wondering if it is sensory and he likes the way it hits the floor or even my reaction (as in the past he has been attention seeking) I have tried every way possible to deal with the situation and the thing is when we are out of the house he doesnt have accidents then, any ideas would be gratefully appreciated, im willing to try anything that i havent already. Thanks in Advance x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Hi Nic, yes anything is worth a try. Thanks again x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: n.trotman@...Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:07:42 +0100Subject: RE: Peeing on the floor Hi Do you think it could be a control thing – the more he knows you want him to use the toilet the more he doesn’t? If you think it may be – the other thing I would perhaps consider is not rewarding him when he uses the toilet. We wouldn’t show any celebration at all / give any reinforcement to Luke as this would let him know it was something we wanted him to do! This may not apply to your son at all – but I thought I would mention just in case. Take careNicxx From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of michelle laceySent: 18 July 2012 21:15To: autism-biomedical-europe Subject: RE: Peeing on the floor Hi Nic Yes paranoia is my middle name right now, scrubbing the floors at least twice a day for the fear that my house is now smelling like an old peoples home! Lucky for us we have wooden/ceramic or lino flooring that he is mostly doing it on, although earlier today i left him eating his dinner to go to the toilet myself come back to find him peeing over the dining chair he was sat on! Thankfully he hasnt been peeing down the stairs (yet!!!!) although has pee'd on the carpet out side his room and the bathroom so i cut that piece of carpet away as it stank, like yours it is a very old carpet which i need to replace and cant afford to (thankfully, as i think it would be wasted money right now) I have gone back to basics with toilet training him again today, rewarding when he goes and he would go, have the treat then i turn my back and he would go some more on the floor, im just hoping it is a passing faze and will hurry up and pass hopefully before i go completely barmy, the pooing on the floor seems to be less and less now (dare i say this and tempt fate!) I will certainly give the water play a go and see if that helps as i do think it is the whole liking the way he can aim & fire his hose as this "behaviour" goes hand in hand with him teaching himself he can stand up and pee in the toilet, once he worked that out its like he thought, ok i can now do this anywhere! Thanks for the idea & thanks for the good luck wishes, somehow i think i am going to be needing them! x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: n.trotman@...Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:27:16 +0100Subject: RE: Peeing on the floor Hi We used to have this problem with Luke years ago. Luke was also toilet trained, but started peeing and sometimes pooing on the floor – nightmare!!! My house smelt of wee!! I think for us the problem was a control thing. Luke was going through a difficult time and I think the more he knew we wanted him to wee in the toilet, the more he wee’d on the floor. Another aspect was, I think that he did like the sensory way of how the wee hit the floor – Luke’s favourite thing was weeing down the stairs – and I think that was just fun for him to see the pee cascading down the stairs. Things we did – was to completely ignore when he wee’d on the floor and where possible not even wipe it up in front of him or if we did, very nonchantly! This was difficult for me – but luckily we had very old carpets so it didn’t really matter. We also bought a portable toilet and kept it in the playroom so he had very easy access to a toilet. Plus he quite liked to pull the lever which slid across to let the wee fall into the bottom. Another thing we did was to try and give him as many opportunities to let him play with water with lots of different tubes, toys etc. When I went to see Donna talk, I asked her what I should do about the problem – in particular the weeing down the stairs (nightmare to clean every stair) – and she suggested getting a half pipe which ran from the top of the stairs to the bottom and let him run water down it! We never actually did this – but did do lots of water play. I think these changes definitely helped and he did stop weeing on the floor. You have my sympathies – I know exactly what you are going through – I was paranoid my house smelt of wee (probably did) – but thankfully it only lasted weeks and did eventually stop. So remember this is just a dip and he will come through and stop doing it. Good luck Nicx From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of michelle laceySent: 18 July 2012 07:07To: autism-biomedical-europe Subject: Peeing on the floor Hi All Been having a real tough time lately and wondered if any of you lovely parents have any ideas i havent tried. Harry started on aciclovir back in March, at the same time (already toilet trained back in 2008) he taught himself to stand and pee in the toilet but this went on to peeing (and pooing) on the floor, i thought initially yeast and upped my yeast protocol but now im wondering if it is sensory and he likes the way it hits the floor or even my reaction (as in the past he has been attention seeking) I have tried every way possible to deal with the situation and the thing is when we are out of the house he doesnt have accidents then, any ideas would be gratefully appreciated, im willing to try anything that i havent already. Thanks in Advance x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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