anti depressants

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THE TYPE ANTI DEPRESSANT YOU WERE GIVEN DOESNT SOUND LIKE ONE THE MODERN ONES

SORRY TO SAY

THERE ARE SO MANY WONDERFUL ANTI DEPRESSANTS OUT THERE

WELL BUTRIN, PAXIL EVEN PROZAC ISNT TERRIBLE AND ALL ARE WATCHED CAREFULLY,

MOST ARE WONDERFUL

SPEAK TO THE DR AND TELL HIM YOUR PROBLEM HE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU SAMPLES

FIRST ANYWAY

HE DOESNT SEEM TO BE UP WITH THE TIMES

SORRY TO SAY

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[Guest guest]

THE TYPE ANTI DEPRESSANT YOU WERE GIVEN DOESNT SOUND LIKE ONE THE MODERN ONES

SORRY TO SAY

THERE ARE SO MANY WONDERFUL ANTI DEPRESSANTS OUT THERE

WELL BUTRIN, PAXIL EVEN PROZAC ISNT TERRIBLE AND ALL ARE WATCHED CAREFULLY,

MOST ARE WONDERFUL

SPEAK TO THE DR AND TELL HIM YOUR PROBLEM HE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU SAMPLES

FIRST ANYWAY

HE DOESNT SEEM TO BE UP WITH THE TIMES

SORRY TO SAY

BONNIE SUE

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I think everybody is different and, just like for our RA, some meds are

better than others. I freaked out on Wellbutrin, had seizures on Zoloft

but have had some relief from pretty severe depression on Lamictal.

I tend to agree with Kathe in general that a lot of us need anti

depressants because, well, we're pretty depressed But *which* anti

depressant will be different for all of us...

Just my two cents...

> I would advise you to not dismiss treatment by

> anti-depressants. I feel that I have gotten much

> benefit from using Effexor XR for the last five years.

> My mood still goes up and down, but, it sure helped

> me get through those first few years dealing with RA,

> and I feel continues to help me now. Just a thought -

> Kathe in CA

>>>I'm glad it works for you, but anybody wanting to take it needs to

do a little research because the docs don't do it for you.

Dennis

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Overell <patricia.overell@...> wrote: • Trazodone is used to

relieve symptoms .................

; sleeping too much; insomnia; and thoughts of death or suicide.

Whoa, both sides of the spectrum? Sounds fishy.

Cheers.

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--- and here is my 2 cents worth

i respect you decision on pill popping -- your choice

however there are much more effective ways of dealing with depression

as i am writing a book on this very issue within it are about 20 odd

different things you can do --none of them pills

i will share this as it has been revelaed to me --

do you know why you have been recomended this healing route ,if

this is the only healing route that has been recomeended to you

you have been done a disservice.

and do you want to know y in the main you have been recomended this

route if you do read on .if you dont stop right here.

some people dont want to know or get upset when they realise what is

going on .

Well I am going to tell you about something that maybe less than 1%

of the population even understand.

The answer –vested interest and quite a bit of apathy and scientific

arrogance.

There are a few very important points that I would like to cover on

the subject of drugs and research and treatment At present the

system in England is this, all treatment recommended by the NHS

should be tested and approved and quite rightly so. Obviously it

costs vast sums of money to test and approve treatments because of

the possible damage to people and the subsequent litigation costing

millions of pounds. The point is this Where does this money come

from to test and approve treatments?

By far the biggest source is the drug companies.

So take for example a researcher might go along to his local drug

company and tell them his findings about this treatment he has been

working on which is of outstanding value but needs testing further

or approving, you might think they would be falling over themselves

to know more –right, you could not be more wrong.

By and large only treatments, which show the promise of good deal of

a profit, will even get examined.

Because they are in business to make a profit, not for serving the

people.

So many of the thousands of therapies which they see as having no

profit potential do not get approved and thus by and large do not

get recommended by your local doctor or hospital.

Despite The fact that some of them do have overwhelming benefits

some, which have saved needless operations, needless amputations,

needless pain and trauma, needless kidney failures and much loss of

life.

This will apply to any country where most research is being done by

drug companies –

they would probably laugh in your face if you went there with a

promising therapy which was so cheap anyone could get it.

Do you really think they would invest thousands of pounds in any

therapy which did not show the promise of good profit.

Your local G.P/ doctor is not a researcher, do you clearly

understand that

in the main he is told…………… what to prescribe …………. he does not

even have the time often to look at research.

In fact some G.P .s doctors have had action taken against them for

prescribing simple supplements. They are in a difficult position in

a way many would like to prescribe many different therapies but many

feel they cannot for action could be taken against them.

This does not help you does it though.

At this minute 2004 approx 5000 Beds are being taken up by people

in the UK who have had adverse reactions to drugs. Some will die

others will be maimed .A serious amount of suffering is taking place

on a scale that makes some wars look like a minor infringement. That

is a fact

So Mr/Mrs patient in 99% of the time because of this system you will

probably only get recommended drugs.

Primarily because of deliberate government policy not to fund

research into other therapies.

Have you heard your local doctor recommend, Massage, Spiritual

healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light therapy, Colour therapy,

Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers, Magnetic devices,

Electrical Frequency devices.has he mentioned detoxing , reiki,

massage, colonics, enemas, sweat baths , accupuncture, tai chi,

yoga, hypnosis.not to mention castor oil packs epsum salt packs

etc etc.

Has he ever mentioned the power of nutrition what you eat how much

protein, carbo, vitamins, water you take in etc.

Has he ever recommended a detox ..

All of these have shown their inherent worth with thousands if not

millions of testimonials.

As you can see this system in its present state is inherently

flawed, that is

Until the day comes when most of the research and testing is done

by an agency with no vested interests attached and a very clear

agenda of being objective. Acting for the people. Printing and

revealing all results good and bad.

What also clouds the issue further is the fact that some of these

drugs work well but that is not to say that there isn't something

more natural better.

Moving on to a more positive note .One of the biggest problems we

see when giving this material is that a lot of people do not have

good evaluation skills. They rely on a white coat, a hospital

building, the sound of a persons voice to sway their thinking into

accepting treatments when they are ill. Like lambs they are taken

down paths some of which will lead them into untold suffering .

Of course this is what some of these drug companies rely on the vast

sums of money which can be generated are enormous.

So as the wise among you will see a little investment in time over

your health could be a very wise move indeed. Well we move now along

to our little protocol the principles of which will apply to many

other health problems as well.

phil

for instance massage therapy .In ,

<kyrik@...> wrote:

>

> I think everybody is different and, just like for our RA, some

meds are

> better than others. I freaked out on Wellbutrin, had seizures on

Zoloft

> but have had some relief from pretty severe depression on Lamictal.

> I tend to agree with Kathe in general that a lot of us need anti

> depressants because, well, we're pretty depressed But *which*

anti

> depressant will be different for all of us...

>

> Just my two cents...

>

>

>

>

> > I would advise you to not dismiss treatment by

> > anti-depressants. I feel that I have gotten much

> > benefit from using Effexor XR for the last five years.

> > My mood still goes up and down, but, it sure helped

> > me get through those first few years dealing with RA,

> > and I feel continues to help me now. Just a thought -

> > Kathe in CA

>

> >>>I'm glad it works for you, but anybody wanting to take it

needs to

> do a little research because the docs don't do it for you.

>

> Dennis

>

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> n the main he is told…………… what to prescribe …………. he does

not

> even have the time often to look at research.

>

>

My brother is a doctor and a PHD and he would tell you this is BS....

I have known him for 55 years and he would not lie.

If your doctor is this lazy, you need to get a new one.

My own rheumie is a saint, and could care less about pushing expensive

drugs.....

I just don't buy this stuff to defame doctors.

I am sure there are a few bad ones lurking, but I think most doctors have

their patients best interest in mind.....as opposed to some of the ridiculous

" snake oil cures " that are pushed in the holistic medicine ads!

In desperation, I have spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars on holistic

medicine.

I have found only one that seems to make a difference.....

Each person must do their own homework. I would trust a licensed doctor that

we know over an uncredentialed person peddling cure alls over the

net....might as well be Tom Cruise, lol.

Pris's dime

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---well you are obviously not talking about the uk .

and you are misquoting me it is not defaming all doctors at all

that is made quite clear in the text

>

>

>

>

>

>n the main he is told…………… what to prescribe

…………. he does not

> > even have the time often to look at research.

and again no one is advocating either so called cure alls

clearly you do not read well -and see meanings in things which are

not even present ---

this is right though

Each person must do their own homework.

the principles remain the as said though --you have skipped

completly over that pooint.

phil

> >

> >

>

> My brother is a doctor and a PHD and he would tell you this is

BS....

> I have known him for 55 years and he would not lie.

> If your doctor is this lazy, you need to get a new one.

> My own rheumie is a saint, and could care less about pushing

expensive

> drugs.....

> I just don't buy this stuff to defame doctors.

> I am sure there are a few bad ones lurking, but I think most

doctors have

> their patients best interest in mind.....as opposed to some of the

ridiculous

> " snake oil cures " that are pushed in the holistic medicine ads!

> In desperation, I have spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars

on holistic

> medicine.

> I have found only one that seems to make a difference.....

> Each person must do their own homework. I would trust a licensed

doctor that

> we know over an uncredentialed person peddling cure alls over

the

> net....might as well be Tom Cruise, lol.

> Pris's dime

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ita,

This may be a bit off-topic, but I have a friend who took Xanax for a long

time. And she did well on it, and was able to move forward and get her life in

order. After a time, she decided she was well enough to wean herself off of it,

and she has done that successfully. She said that she did not want to feel

dependant on this medication for a long time. I don't recall that she had any

unpleasent side-effects (although I doubt she is fighting candida), except some

mild anxiety while she was going off the medication, and she did it under her

doctor's care.

If I was you, I would research, research, research, and then do what you feel

is best for you. I know how bad depression can get, as I was a sufferer for many

years, and I still have mild bouts of it from time to time; however, since doing

the candida clean-up, I have felt a great lessening of symptoms - especially the

anxiety factor. There was a time, though, when I did try an anti-depressant

(Remeron-mirtazapine) - I only took a couple doses, as it made me so spacey I

could not see how I could carry on - but it did help me sleep, which is a real

problem for depressed persons. There are small steps you can take with

medication, such as just for sleep. A good night's sleep can make a big

difference. I was also doing the candida clean-up at the time, so it all worked

together there for a time...

Well best of luck, ita. Just remember that in this world, everything

changes. Nothing stays the same - so, that is good news to hold onto. It means

that your depression WILL lift - times WILL get better. If you are a praying

person, ramp that up, and try meditation too...other things that helped me

greatly.

maryjo

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ita

Dr Batmanj. has spent some time educating people on the link between

dehydration and depression...particularly that antidepressants are a

type of histamine blocker. Histamine levels rise during dehydration.

There is a lot to consider with depression so this may not be the case

for you but maybe take a look at http://watercure2.org/ for some case

stories on this.

Willem

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ita wrote:

> Can anyone tell me the effect of anti depressants on overall health,

> and whether they would impact candida? I don't know much about what

> they do to the body but my depression is starting to affect my life too

> much, and Im considering anti depressants for a short time only to get

> things back on track. I hate the idea, but alternative/natural methods

> havent helped enough and this is really affecting work, relationships,

> and me!

>

> Thanks,

> ita

>

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Hi ita!

On top of all my health problems, I lost my part time job of 11 years in Nov.

2003. By July, 2004 I couldn't take the depression anymore so I tried

antidepressants again. First Lexapro for five months, then Cymbalta for a year.

They didn't help me as I was still depressed w/suidical thoughts. I feel that

the Candida is causing my depression and unless that gets under control, I will

always be depressed. I'm sure my age and nearing the change plays a big part in

it too. Have you tried counseling, exercise, or maybe a natural product? My

nutritionist has me on Tension RX. Here's a description:

http://www.wholesalesupplementstore.com/tensionrx.html?ipsrc=media & reftype=pp & sp\

type=ov. I sometimes wonder if something in antidepressants contributes to the

yeast overgrowth. When I was weaned off, I cried everyday for months. I have

tried many different ones over the years and the side effects were worse.

Good luck,

Beth

anti depressants

Can anyone tell me the effect of anti depressants on overall health,

and whether they would impact candida? I don't know much about what

they do to the body but my depression is starting to affect my life too

much, and Im considering anti depressants for a short time only to get

things back on track. I hate the idea, but alternative/natural methods

havent helped enough and this is really affecting work, relationships,

and me!

Thanks,

ita

[Guest guest]

Salvia divinorum is an anti-depressant.

It is also anti-addictive to cocaine, alcohol, marijuana,

amphetamines of all types, and tobacco (and any other mu-opioid

agonist not listed). It is non-addictive.

References are here:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/salvia_kappa_opioid.html

Enjoy!

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for your suggestions, I do believe the candida has a

lot to do with how I feel (if not all) and am trying to combat it, but

in the mean time I need a quick solution so I will definitely look

into the alternatives that have been mentioned!

Regards

ita

>

> Salvia divinorum is an anti-depressant.

>

> It is also anti-addictive to cocaine, alcohol, marijuana,

> amphetamines of all types, and tobacco (and any other mu-opioid

> agonist not listed). It is non-addictive.

>

> References are here:

>

> http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/salvia_kappa_opioid.html

>

> Enjoy!

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Anti depressants do horrible things to your body. My husband tried two

different kinds and they made him nauseous as hell and he said they made

him feel like he was going mad.

Try either St 's Wort or SameE, both natural alternatives. Your

moods will improve when you get the candida under control.

Keen

anti depressants

Can anyone tell me the effect of anti depressants on overall health,

and whether they would impact candida? I don't know much about what

they do to the body but my depression is starting to affect my life too

much, and Im considering anti depressants for a short time only to get

things back on track. I hate the idea, but alternative/natural methods

havent helped enough and this is really affecting work, relationships,

and me!

Thanks,

ita