Re: 2 Dennis...

[Guest guest]

Hi there Dennis,

You know that it goes without saying all opinions are welcome and

appreciated. That's what I love about this place...we join right in

with the topics and the discussions kind of lead us where they will.

You are probably right. I think I heard someone else say that as

well on the news, that they think that could be the reason.. It was

just a shocker to me and was curious about other possible reasons,

but yeah we humans have a tendency to invade the private space of the

animals. I agree. I don't personally but I know many who do. I

personally try to talk in a soothing voice to an animals nearby and

wait for it to come over to me if they choose. I don't force

myself. However, don't think that approach would work for the

stingray. Would probably just stay out of his way altogether,

especially now. LOL!!

Ebony

>

> For one thing, Ebony, a person doesn't like strangers getting too

close.

> It's the same with animals, they don't like their 'personal space'

invaded.

> People have a feely-touchy desire no matter what the consequence.

He

> shouldn't have been so close. That's my opinion even though it

wasn't asked

> for

>

> Dennis in Eastexas

> " It's not Rocket Surgery "

>

> [ ] Re: OCcupation; Bet I'm the only one!

>

>

> > ,

> >

> > Yes, you probably are the only one. I am sure I have read a lot

of your

> > work.

> >

> > Love your attitude. I try to have the same outlook but the

pain keeps

> > getting in the way! LOL!

> >

> > I know I am asking you to speculate but why do you think the

stingray

> > attacked Steve Irwin -crocodile hunter? I always thought of them

as

> > gentle creatures. Maybe she was protecting her babies?

> >

> > Ebony

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > peace and healing,

> > Ebony

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, this just totally cracked me up. I am picturing

someone talking to a stingray! Agree, don't think that

approach would work

--- Ebony <stillbreathing29@...> wrote:

> Hi there Dennis,

>

> You know that it goes without saying all opinions

> are welcome and

> appreciated. That's what I love about this

> place...we join right in

> with the topics and the discussions kind of lead us

> where they will.

>

> You are probably right. I think I heard someone

> else say that as

> well on the news, that they think that could be the

> reason.. It was

> just a shocker to me and was curious about other

> possible reasons,

> but yeah we humans have a tendency to invade the

> private space of the

> animals. I agree. I don't personally but I know

> many who do. I

> personally try to talk in a soothing voice to an

> animals nearby and

> wait for it to come over to me if they choose. I

> don't force

> myself. However, don't think that approach would

> work for the

> stingray. Would probably just stay out of his way

> altogether,

> especially now. LOL!!

>

> Ebony

>

>

>

> >

> > For one thing, Ebony, a person doesn't like

> strangers getting too

> close.

> > It's the same with animals, they don't like their

> 'personal space'

> invaded.

> > People have a feely-touchy desire no matter what

> the consequence.

> He

> > shouldn't have been so close. That's my opinion

> even though it

> wasn't asked

> > for

> >

> > Dennis in Eastexas

> > " It's not Rocket Surgery "

> >

> > [ ] Re: OCcupation; Bet I'm the

> only one!

> >

> >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Yes, you probably are the only one. I am sure

> I have read a lot

> of your

> > > work.

> > >

> > > Love your attitude. I try to have the same

> outlook but the

> pain keeps

> > > getting in the way! LOL!

> > >

> > > I know I am asking you to speculate but why do

> you think the

> stingray

> > > attacked Steve Irwin -crocodile hunter? I

> always thought of them

> as

> > > gentle creatures. Maybe she was protecting her

> babies?

> > >

> > > Ebony

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > peace and healing,

> > > Ebony

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I was a kid, we were fishing in Galveston Bay and Dad hooked what he

thought was a huge fish. It was a sting ray that lay on bottom like a

suction cup and it took a long fight to get him up to the boat. Dad was

cheaper than I am, so he planned to cut the hook out of it's mouth. As soon

as the knife blade touched the ray, that tail would sing as it went for his

hand. They are quick things. It took about 15 minutes to cut it's mouth off,

but he got the hook back. I would have cut the line and let the hook rust

out of it's mouth. That was one of many experiences with sting ray, and I

never had the desire to swim with one.

Dennis in Eastexas

" It's not Rocket Surgery "

[ ] Re: OCcupation; Bet I'm the

>> only one!

>> >

>> >

>> > > ,

>> > >

>> > > Yes, you probably are the only one. I am sure

>> I have read a lot

>> of your

>> > > work.

>> > >

>> > > Love your attitude. I try to have the same

>> outlook but the

>> pain keeps

>> > > getting in the way! LOL!

>> > >

>> > > I know I am asking you to speculate but why do

>> you think the

>> stingray

>> > > attacked Steve Irwin -crocodile hunter? I

>> always thought of them

>> as

>> > > gentle creatures. Maybe she was protecting her

>> babies?

>> > >

>> > > Ebony

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > peace and healing,

>> > > Ebony

>> >

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Stingrays lie on the bottom and blend in with the bottom so that they can be

very difficult to see. When startled they swim away if they can. I have not

heard the details on this but have seen enough stingrays to know how they react.

If he was swimming close to the bottom and the ray didn't see him until he was

right over it, then the defense is that it's tail goes up. He might not have

seen the ray before that. Rays move with lightening speed.

Once my mom and I were catching crabs by wading in water about 3 feet deep. She

almost stepped on a ray. It was startled and went between her legs. She had

not seen the ray but when it hit her legs she did a dive into the water moving

out of its way.

Betty

[ ] Re: OCcupation; Bet I'm the

> only one!

> >

> >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Yes, you probably are the only one. I am sure

> I have read a lot

> of your

> > > work.

> > >

> > > Love your attitude. I try to have the same

> outlook but the

> pain keeps

> > > getting in the way! LOL!

> > >

> > > I know I am asking you to speculate but why do

> you think the

> stingray

> > > attacked Steve Irwin -crocodile hunter? I

> always thought of them

> as

> > > gentle creatures. Maybe she was protecting her

> babies?

> > >

> > > Ebony

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > peace and healing,

> > > Ebony

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dennis,

I suppose to a fisher person who is used to killing

what they eat, cutting the mouth off a ray would not

seem cruel....but to me the thought of that poor

animal slowly dying from the wound in all that pain

makes me sick to my stomach....how could he do that

for a hook that probably cost less than a dollar??? jenna

When you lose a loved one, you gain an angel whos' name you know !

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Back then, we ate what we caught or shot or trapped. It was certainly before

the days of 'catch and release'. And, that hook was probably less than 10

cents, a days pay was not much more than a dollar in that area. We would

catch fish like Buffalo and Carp. One tasted bad and the other had lots of

small bones, so all the whites had a ritual of sorts where they would give

all them to the blacks in town. They were poorer than us, and would eat

anything they got. We've come a long way in a few years.

Dennis in Eastexas

" It's not Rocket Surgery "

[ ] Re: 2 Dennis...

> Dennis,

> I suppose to a fisher person who is used to killing

> what they eat, cutting the mouth off a ray would not

> seem cruel....but to me the thought of that poor

> animal slowly dying from the wound in all that pain

> makes me sick to my stomach....how could he do that

> for a hook that probably cost less than a dollar??? jenna

>

> When you lose a loved one, you gain an angel whos' name you know !

[Guest guest]

Oooo that sounds painful described that way, Jenna. i was hoping he

meant cut the hook out of the mouth and left maybe a rip like someone

would get when an earring rips from the ear with it healing like that

on its own. Not the whole mouth. Maybe wishful thinking (too much

for the brain to handle -- no more pain) but I guess if you are a

kid, what do you say when it's your dad. Plus taking the surplus

fish back to feed those less fortunate sort of made up for it in a

child's mind I suppose. It was one knew back then.

Thank God for better days, we are all a bit wiser and things worked

out a little better for the animals and all people alike.

peace,

Ebony

>

> Back then, we ate what we caught or shot or trapped. It was

certainly before

> the days of 'catch and release'. And, that hook was probably less

than 10

> cents, a days pay was not much more than a dollar in that area. We

would

> catch fish like Buffalo and Carp. One tasted bad and the other had

lots of

> small bones, so all the whites had a ritual of sorts where they

would give

> all them to the blacks in town. They were poorer than us, and would

eat

> anything they got. We've come a long way in a few years.

>

> Dennis in Eastexas

> " It's not Rocket Surgery "

>

> [ ] Re: 2 Dennis...

>

>

> > Dennis,

> > I suppose to a fisher person who is used to killing

> > what they eat, cutting the mouth off a ray would not

> > seem cruel....but to me the thought of that poor

> > animal slowly dying from the wound in all that pain

> > makes me sick to my stomach....how could he do that

> > for a hook that probably cost less than a dollar??? jenna

> >

> > When you lose a loved one, you gain an angel whos' name you know !

>

[Guest guest]

Ebony,

it was a sting ray...I don't think anyone is hungry

enough to eat one of those!!...jenna

When you lose a loved one, you gain an angel whos' name you know !

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

As I've said on occasion, I've been all over the world and seen many

different dishes with all kinds of things on them. There was a fruit in

Thailand that stunk so bad, I couldn't get close to it, but the locals loved

it. I ordered a steak and salad in Yugoslavia and got cabbage for the salad!

I ordered a bowl of soup, and the cook walked down to the stream where

brownish green water was flowing, and picked some weeds. That was my soup,

and it was good.

Things I don't like are Lobster, thrown alive into a pot of boiling water to

serve people with 3 piece suits and jewelery from top to bottom that never

gave a thought to how the lobster was treated or where the pearls came from!

The public is up in arms about killing horses for food, but it's ok to kill

cattle. In other countries, cattle are sacred and horses are food. Different

tastes for different folks...

Dennis in Eastexas

No offense meant.

[ ] Re: 2 Dennis...

> Ebony,

> it was a sting ray...I don't think anyone is hungry

> enough to eat one of those!!...jenna

>

> When you lose a loved one, you gain an angel whos' name you know !

[Guest guest]

Ebony something you might not know is that fish have only cartilage and bone

in and around the mouth. You have to go out a ways to get to the blood and

nerves. So, no, it wouldn't be like ripping an earring out, it would be much

better.

Dennis in Eastexas

" It's not Rocket Surgery "

[ ] Re: 2 Dennis...

> Oooo that sounds painful described that way, Jenna. i was hoping he

> meant cut the hook out of the mouth and left maybe a rip like someone

> would get when an earring rips from the ear with it healing like that

> on its own. Not the whole mouth. Maybe wishful thinking (too much

> for the brain to handle -- no more pain) but I guess if you are a

> kid, what do you say when it's your dad. Plus taking the surplus

> fish back to feed those less fortunate sort of made up for it in a

> child's mind I suppose. It was one knew back then.

>

> Thank God for better days, we are all a bit wiser and things worked

> out a little better for the animals and all people alike.

>

> peace,

> Ebony

[Guest guest]

As I recall, the Manta Ray has a more mellow temperament. Maybe that's what

Irwin was thinking about when he made that fatal mistake. You have to know

your adversary. People jump over themselves to get away from a snake because

they are afraid of being bitten. A snake typically cannot strike more than

1/3 their length and seldom higher than the knee, but mostly below the top

of a boot. If you think you're going to have an altercation with a snake,

get a tape measure and make all those checks before he strikes. LOL

Dennis in Eastexas

" It's not Rocket Surgery "

Re: [ ] Re: 2 Dennis...

>

>

> Ok, this just totally cracked me up. I am picturing

> someone talking to a stingray! Agree, don't think that

> approach would work

>

> --- Ebony <stillbreathing29@...> wrote:

[Guest guest]

Dennis...

I have watched fishing shows on t.v. when they unhook the fish and

throw it back in the water, so knew it must be cartilage in the area.

It didn't seem to hurt the fish very much, however, they would just

slip the hook off. but never saw anyone cut the mouth completely off,

so only hoped for the best for the little guy. that's to protect me,

not the fish b/c what can be done about it all these years later? that

kind of detail too much to think about for me like some of the new t.v.

shows -- just too graphic. however, thanks for letting me know the

pain would be less than a person whose earring is ripped. that helped.

I only wondered what would make one attack so violently like in the

case of Steve Irwin and many of you have given enough insight that I

have a pretty good idea now.

take it easy. talk to you later.

peace,

Ebony

[Guest guest]

Yes, Dennis I completely understand how it goes with replying back

to e-mail. A lot of my time online is spent trying to make sure I

have responded to everyone before I get to read some of the others.

I am not always as successful with that as I would like to be. So no

worries about that.

Your daughter sounds like she has a good idea and it sounds like

Joyce here at the site has gone through the same thing with success.

However, I completely understand your hesitation about signing things

over to your daughter, hoping it wouldn't be spent wastefully.

i have since asked about the VA thing since posting the last msg to

the board. I heard the same thing about having had to retire or be

wounded in the military before receiving the type of help I was

referring to.

I think when Grandma finally stopped working (she corrected me, it

was 80 years of age), they awarded her the $10 in food stamps. I

don't know who applied for it for her. It was probably her sister.

Also, I think the working poor have similar circumstances where they

don't qualify for many programs or get the minimum amount because

they have other resources like valuables or a car they can sell.

Also, my grandmother has to report whatever help she receives and

that would be deducted if it goes over a certain amount. The whole

thing is really silly in my opinion. I try not to think about it

unless there is something I can do about it.

Best wishes with your situation.

Peace,

Ebony

>

> Sorry, Ebony. I meant to answer this post sooner, but you know how

that

> goes.

>

> Since Betty has applied for disability, the DHS put her in for food

stamps

> and Medicade. Of course, the Medicade was turned down because we

have too

> many 'resources'. We're limited to $3000, and Betty's 401K is more

than

> that. She was, however, approved for food stamps, which was a

surprise. But,

> there was a greater surprise when we got the mail yesterday. She

gets a

> whole $10 in food stamps per month! we're so excited, WOW!

>

> I've tried to work something with the VA but I wasn't wounded or

disabled

> while I was in the USAF, so that's out. The only thing I've been

eligible

> for was a loan to go to school, and that was in the mid 90's

>

> My daughter says I need to write a 'living Will' and turn

everything over to

> the Grandkids. I don't know how that works, but without some

control from

> me, I'm afraid it will be squandered quickly. I guess I need to

learn more

> about it.

>

> Dennis in Eastexas

> " It's not Rocket Surgery "