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have never read the complete UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with

Disabilities nor had I considered "details" like the ones mentioned

and it actually has been ratified by my country. I thought it was a good

thing, but taking parental rights can not be a good thing.

I suffered for a whole year in Switzerland trying to find a school

for my son where they would teach in English and private International schools

did not want to take him. The Swiss school would have been crazy for a

child who already has or listens to 3 languages and has very little speech.

It does not matter how many times I tried to explain to the local

education authorities that we were not "immigrants" but

"expats" who would leave in 3 years and that my son as his brothers

needed a system that he could continue wherever we went next, they would not

allow me to homeschool and if I had not found a school my son would have ended

up having to go to a Swiss school where children speak Swiss German and classes

are taught in High German (two different languages), being that they

could even take my child, who is not even Swiss, away from me for not sending

him to school, but they would not help getting the private schools to accept

him!!!

I did not sleep for months and thought my

husband would have to give up his job for us to go home because this was

absolutely crazy.

Now, I am moving to Miami and what I have heard

so far about the public schools and children with Down Syndrome is not good.

The experience from parents is that children are either left in a corner

or put in self-contained rooms and in neither of them they learn. I have

already contacted a private school who is willing to accept my son but if they

do not accept him or if I don't like it I have the peace of mind that I could

always homeschool him.

I do not want to go thru what I went thru

last year again.

I can understand that the intention may be

to eliminate discrimination but they do not need to take parental rights away

to do this. Just imagine if my son "had" to go to a school where

he is not wanted, and even abused like so many cases that have even been discussed

in this list and not having the right to take him away from that

school??? Not good at all.

After all you can never "make"

people do things that they don't want to do. They can make the schools

take the children but if the teachers are not up for it, it wont work. Sometimes

it does not even work when the teachers are willing simply because is not right

for the child, and the parent should have the right to decide what is best for

his child.

Just my thoughts and experience!Jannette De: Michal Para: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Maio de 2012 17:25 Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: A Danger to Homeschool Families

Thanks Kathy.

this is good to know. Thank you Kathy.

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2012/201205250.asp

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Very well said Jannette. ThanksOn May 30, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Jannette Janson de de la Lastra wrote:

I

have never read the complete UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with

Disabilities nor had I considered "details" like the ones mentioned

and it actually has been ratified by my country. I thought it was a good

thing, but taking parental rights can not be a good thing.

I suffered for a whole year in Switzerland trying to find a school

for my son where they would teach in English and private International schools

did not want to take him. The Swiss school would have been crazy for a

child who already has or listens to 3 languages and has very little speech.

It does not matter how many times I tried to explain to the local

education authorities that we were not "immigrants" but

"expats" who would leave in 3 years and that my son as his brothers

needed a system that he could continue wherever we went next, they would not

allow me to homeschool and if I had not found a school my son would have ended

up having to go to a Swiss school where children speak Swiss German and classes

are taught in High German (two different languages), being that they

could even take my child, who is not even Swiss, away from me for not sending

him to school, but they would not help getting the private schools to accept

him!!!

I did not sleep for months and thought my

husband would have to give up his job for us to go home because this was

absolutely crazy.

Now, I am moving to Miami and what I have heard

so far about the public schools and children with Down Syndrome is not good.

The experience from parents is that children are either left in a corner

or put in self-contained rooms and in neither of them they learn. I have

already contacted a private school who is willing to accept my son but if they

do not accept him or if I don't like it I have the peace of mind that I could

always homeschool him.

I do not want to go thru what I went thru

last year again.

I can understand that the intention may be

to eliminate discrimination but they do not need to take parental rights away

to do this. Just imagine if my son "had" to go to a school where

he is not wanted, and even abused like so many cases that have even been discussed

in this list and not having the right to take him away from that

school??? Not good at all.

After all you can never "make"

people do things that they don't want to do. They can make the schools

take the children but if the teachers are not up for it, it wont work. Sometimes

it does not even work when the teachers are willing simply because is not right

for the child, and the parent should have the right to decide what is best for

his child.

Just my thoughts and experience!Jannette De: Michal Para: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Maio de 2012 17:25 Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: A Danger to Homeschool Families

Thanks Kathy.

this is good to know. Thank you Kathy.

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2012/201205250.asp

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Jannette, Switzerland is not a signatory of the Convention on Disabilities.According to the Convention, the child's best interest, must be met, in each individual case, so, your son's specific needs would have to be taken into account when finding him a placement.PatArticle 7 - Children with disabilities

1. States Parties shall take all necessary measures to ensure the full enjoyment by children with disabilities of all human rights and fundamental freedoms on an equal basis with other children.

2. In all actions concerning children with disabilities, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration.

3. States Parties shall ensure that children with disabilities have the right to express their views freely on all matters affecting them, their views being given due weight in accordance with their age and maturity, on an equal basis with other children, and to be provided with

disability and age-appropriate assistance to realize that right. De: Jannette Janson de de la Lastra Para: "DownSyndromeInfoExchange " <DownSyndromeInfoExchange > Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Maio de 2012 14:52 Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: A Danger to Homeschool

Families

I

have never read the complete UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with

Disabilities nor had I considered "details" like the ones mentioned

and it actually has been ratified by my country. I thought it was a good

thing, but taking parental rights can not be a good thing.

I suffered for a whole year in Switzerland trying to find a school

for my son where they would teach in English and private International schools

did not want to take him. The Swiss school would have been crazy for a

child who already has or listens to 3 languages and has very little speech.

It does not matter how many times I tried to explain to the local

education authorities that we were not "immigrants" but

"expats" who would leave in 3 years and that my son as his brothers

needed a system that he could continue wherever we went next, they would not

allow me to homeschool and if I had not found a school my son would have ended

up having to go to a Swiss school where children speak Swiss German and classes

are taught in High German (two different languages), being that they

could even take my child, who is not even Swiss, away from me for not sending

him to school, but they would not help getting the private schools to accept

him!!!

I did not sleep for months and thought my

husband would have to give up his job for us to go home because this was

absolutely crazy.

Now, I am moving to Miami and what I have heard

so far about the public schools and children with Down Syndrome is not good.

The experience from parents is that children are either left in a corner

or put in self-contained rooms and in neither of them they learn. I have

already contacted a private school who is willing to accept my son but if they

do not accept him or if I don't like it I have the peace of mind that I could

always homeschool him.

I do not want to go thru what I went thru

last year again.

I can understand that the intention may be

to eliminate discrimination but they do not need to take parental rights away

to do this. Just imagine if my son "had" to go to a school where

he is not wanted, and even abused like so many cases that have even been discussed

in this list and not having the right to take him away from that

school??? Not good at all.

After all you can never "make"

people do things that they don't want to do. They can make the schools

take the children but if the teachers are not up for it, it wont work. Sometimes

it does not even work when the teachers are willing simply because is not right

for the child, and the parent should have the right to decide what is best for

his child. Just my thoughts and experience!Jannette De: Michal Para: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Maio de 2012 17:25 Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: A Danger to Homeschool Families

Thanks Kathy.

this is good to know. Thank you Kathy.

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2012/201205250.asp

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right..and where does it say about the parents' right to decided what is best for their own child?

 

Jannette, Switzerland is not a signatory of the Convention on Disabilities.

According to the Convention, the child's best interest, must be met, in each individual case, so, your son's specific needs would have to be taken into account when finding him a placement.

PatArticle 7 - Children with disabilities

1. States Parties shall take all necessary measures to ensure the full enjoyment by children with disabilities of all human rights and fundamental freedoms on an equal basis with other children.

2. In all actions concerning children with disabilities, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration.

3. States Parties shall ensure that children with disabilities have the right to express their views freely on all matters affecting them, their views being given due weight in accordance with their age and maturity, on an equal basis with other children, and to be provided with

disability and age-appropriate assistance to realize that right.

De: Jannette Janson de de la Lastra

Para: " DownSyndromeInfoExchange " <DownSyndromeInfoExchange >

Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Maio de 2012 14:52 Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: A Danger to Homeschool

Families

 

I

have never read the complete UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with

Disabilities nor had I considered " details " like the ones mentioned

and it actually has been ratified by my country.  I thought it was a good

thing, but taking parental rights can not be a good thing.

I suffered for a whole year in Switzerland trying to find a school

for my son where they would teach in English and private International schools

did not want to take him.  The Swiss school would have been crazy for a

child who already has or listens to 3 languages and has very little speech.

 It does not matter how many times I tried to explain to the local

education authorities that we were not " immigrants " but

" expats " who would leave in 3 years and that my son as his brothers

needed a system that he could continue wherever we went next, they would not

allow me to homeschool and if I had not found a school my son would have ended

up having to go to a Swiss school where children speak Swiss German and classes

are taught in High German (two different languages), being that  they

could even take my child, who is not even Swiss, away from me for not sending

him to school, but they would not help getting the private schools to accept

him!!!

I did not sleep for months and thought my

husband would have to give up his job for us to go home because this was

absolutely crazy.  

Now, I am moving to Miami and what I have heard

so far about the public schools and children with Down Syndrome is not good.

 The experience from parents is that children are either left in a corner

or put in self-contained rooms and in neither of them they learn.  I have

already contacted a private school who is willing to accept my son but if they

do not accept him or if I don't like it I have the peace of mind that I could

always homeschool him.

I do not want to go thru what I went thru

last year again.  

I can understand that the intention may be

to eliminate discrimination but they do not need to take parental rights away

to do this.  Just imagine if my son " had " to go to a school where

he is not wanted, and even abused like so many cases that have even been discussed

in this  list and not having the right to take him away from that

school??? Not good at all.

After all you can never " make "

people do things that they don't want to do.  They can make the schools

take the children but if the teachers are not up for it, it wont work.  Sometimes

it does not even work when the teachers are willing simply because is not right

for the child, and the parent should have the right to decide what is best for

his child.  Just my thoughts and experience!Jannette

De: Michal Para: DownSyndromeInfoExchange

Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Maio de 2012 17:25 Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: A Danger to Homeschool Families

 

Thanks Kathy.  

 

this is good to know.  Thank you Kathy.

 

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2012/201205250.asp

Mrs. Michal

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None of the Conventions by the UN for Children are good or helpful. They may have good intentions, but they strip the rights from parents. That is NEVER good. A World-Wide group should not have any say or control over what parents and individuals choose to do, what school is to be used, etc. Just my opinion :)! QadoshyahGot Down Syndromewww.gotdownsyndrome.netBlog: http://gotdownsyndrome.blogspot.com Down Syndrome: What You CAN Do Bookwww.lulu.com/spotlight/gotdownsyndrome From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of AlmeidaSent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:07 PMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: A Danger to Homeschool Families Jannette, Switzerland is not a signatory of the Convention on Disabilities. According to the Convention, the child's best interest, must be met, in each individual case, so, your son's specific needs would have to be taken into account when finding him a placement.PatArticle 7 - Children with disabilities1. States Parties shall take all necessary measures to ensure the full enjoyment by children with disabilities of all human rights and fundamental freedoms on an equal basis with other children.2. In all actions concerning children with disabilities, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration.3. States Parties shall ensure that children with disabilities have the right to express their views freely on all matters affecting them, their views being given due weight in accordance with their age and maturity, on an equal basis with other children, and to be provided with disability and age-appropriate assistance to realize that right. De: Jannette Janson de de la Lastra Para: " DownSyndromeInfoExchange " <DownSyndromeInfoExchange > Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Maio de 2012 14:52Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: A Danger to Homeschool Families I have never read the complete UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities nor had I considered " details " like the ones mentioned and it actually has been ratified by my country. I thought it was a good thing, but taking parental rights can not be a good thing. I suffered for a whole year in Switzerland trying to find a school for my son where they would teach in English and private International schools did not want to take him. The Swiss school would have been crazy for a child who already has or listens to 3 languages and has very little speech. It does not matter how many times I tried to explain to the local education authorities that we were not " immigrants " but " expats " who would leave in 3 years and that my son as his brothers needed a system that he could continue wherever we went next, they would not allow me to homeschool and if I had not found a school my son would have ended up having to go to a Swiss school where children speak Swiss German and classes are taught in High German (two different languages), being that they could even take my child, who is not even Swiss, away from me for not sending him to school, but they would not help getting the private schools to accept him!!! I did not sleep for months and thought my husband would have to give up his job for us to go home because this was absolutely crazy. Now, I am moving to Miami and what I have heard so far about the public schools and children with Down Syndrome is not good. The experience from parents is that children are either left in a corner or put in self-contained rooms and in neither of them they learn. I have already contacted a private school who is willing to accept my son but if they do not accept him or if I don't like it I have the peace of mind that I could always homeschool him. I do not want to go thru what I went thru last year again. I can understand that the intention may be to eliminate discrimination but they do not need to take parental rights away to do this. Just imagine if my son " had " to go to a school where he is not wanted, and even abused like so many cases that have even been discussed in this list and not having the right to take him away from that school??? Not good at all. After all you can never " make " people do things that they don't want to do. They can make the schools take the children but if the teachers are not up for it, it wont work. Sometimes it does not even work when the teachers are willing simply because is not right for the child, and the parent should have the right to decide what is best for his child. Just my thoughts and experience! Jannette De: Michal Para: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Maio de 2012 17:25Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: A Danger to Homeschool Families Thanks Kathy. this is good to know. Thank you Kathy. http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2012/201205250.asp Mrs. Michal Parent Mentor County Schools michaljones@... LOCAL RESOURCES:www.LifeLineFamilies.org FIRST STOP FOR RESOURCES.........www.p2pga.org *** This Email was sent by an educator. No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5033 - Release Date: 05/30/12

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Pat, I know Switzerland is not a signatory (Panama is) but their law says that it is the childs "right" to go to school (which is true) but it does not matter what the parents think or if it is really not in the childs best interest. The problem is who decides what is the childs best interest. The government? and the problem is stating and acepting that the government has the last word, like in Switzerland. I could try to prove all I wanted that it was not in my son's best interest to go to Swiss school, the last word was not mine but the governments. For me, this is not correct.Jannette De: Almeida Para: "DownSyndromeInfoExchange " <DownSyndromeInfoExchange > Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Maio de 2012 23:07 Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: A Danger to Homeschool Families

Jannette, Switzerland is not a signatory of the Convention on Disabilities.According to the Convention, the child's best interest, must be met, in each individual case, so, your son's specific needs would have to be taken into account when finding him a placement.PatArticle 7 - Children with disabilities

1. States Parties shall take all necessary measures to ensure the full enjoyment by children with disabilities of all human rights and fundamental freedoms on an equal basis with other children.

2. In all actions concerning children with disabilities, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration.

3. States Parties shall ensure that children with disabilities have the right to express their views freely on all matters affecting them, their views being given due weight in accordance with their age and maturity, on an equal basis with other children, and to be provided with

disability and age-appropriate assistance to realize that right. De: Jannette Janson de de la Lastra Para: "DownSyndromeInfoExchange " <DownSyndromeInfoExchange > Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Maio de 2012 14:52 Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: A Danger to Homeschool

Families

I

have never read the complete UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with

Disabilities nor had I considered "details" like the ones mentioned

and it actually has been ratified by my country. I thought it was a good

thing, but taking parental rights can not be a good thing.

I suffered for a whole year in Switzerland trying to find a school

for my son where they would teach in English and private International schools

did not want to take him. The Swiss school would have been crazy for a

child who already has or listens to 3 languages and has very little speech.

It does not matter how many times I tried to explain to the local

education authorities that we were not "immigrants" but

"expats" who would leave in 3 years and that my son as his brothers

needed a system that he could continue wherever we went next, they would not

allow me to homeschool and if I had not found a school my son would have ended

up having to go to a Swiss school where children speak Swiss German and classes

are taught in High German (two different languages), being that they

could even take my child, who is not even Swiss, away from me for not sending

him to school, but they would not help getting the private schools to accept

him!!!

I did not sleep for months and thought my

husband would have to give up his job for us to go home because this was

absolutely crazy.

Now, I am moving to Miami and what I have heard

so far about the public schools and children with Down Syndrome is not good.

The experience from parents is that children are either left in a corner

or put in self-contained rooms and in neither of them they learn. I have

already contacted a private school who is willing to accept my son but if they

do not accept him or if I don't like it I have the peace of mind that I could

always homeschool him.

I do not want to go thru what I went thru

last year again.

I can understand that the intention may be

to eliminate discrimination but they do not need to take parental rights away

to do this. Just imagine if my son "had" to go to a school where

he is not wanted, and even abused like so many cases that have even been discussed

in this list and not having the right to take him away from that

school??? Not good at all.

After all you can never "make"

people do things that they don't want to do. They can make the schools

take the children but if the teachers are not up for it, it wont work. Sometimes

it does not even work when the teachers are willing simply because is not right

for the child, and the parent should have the right to decide what is best for

his child. Just my thoughts and experience!Jannette De: Michal Para: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Maio de 2012 17:25 Assunto: Re:

[DownSyndromeInfoExchange] The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities: A Danger to Homeschool Families

Thanks Kathy.

this is good to know. Thank you Kathy.

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2012/201205250.asp

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In an election year this should be a time to review how our country works best. Laws that govern our schools and subsequently educating children with disabilities should remain as local as possible. Your local community leaders and your family have a say how your local schools are going to operate and what laws will be enacted to make that happen, It is a states right issue that the federal government has been trying to micromanage since the department of education was put into place. Yet our schools are failing us. It might be about time we bring that power back to where the parents or the families have the most influence on how children are educated and how our schools are run. We have lost track of how important that is. We've passed it on to our state legislature who've passed it on the the federal government, and all the sudden we have very little say, and a disconnect between educators and parents. That is a travesty, and if anyone thinks that problem will be solved by passing the buck up to the global government of the United Nations, they are just plain wrong.

Thanks Kathy.

this is good to know. Thank you Kathy.

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2012/201205250.asp

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@ Very well put. Totally Agree

In an election year this should be a time to review how our country works best. Laws that govern our schools and subsequently educating children with disabilities should remain as local as possible. Your local community leaders and your family have a say how your local schools are going to operate and what laws will be enacted to make that happen, It is a states right issue that the federal government has been trying to micromanage since the department of education was put into place. Yet our schools are failing us. It might be about time we bring that power back to where the parents or the families have the most influence on how children are educated and how our schools are run. We have lost track of how important that is. We've passed it on to our state legislature who've passed it on the the federal government, and all the sudden we have very little say, and a disconnect between educators and parents. That is a travesty, and if anyone thinks that problem will be solved by passing the buck up to the global government of the United Nations, they are just plain wrong.

Thanks Kathy.

this is good to know. Thank you Kathy.

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2012/201205250.asp

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Amen.

 

@ Very well put.   Totally Agree

 

In an election year this should be a time to review how our country works best.  Laws that govern our schools and subsequently educating children with disabilities should remain as local as possible.  Your local community leaders and your family have a say how your local schools are going to operate and what laws will be enacted to make that happen,  It is a states right issue that the federal government has been trying to micromanage since the department of education was put into place.  Yet our schools are failing us.  

It might be about time we bring that power back to where the parents or the families have the most influence on how children are educated and how our schools are run.  We have lost track of how important that is.  We've passed it on to our state legislature who've passed it on the the federal government, and all the sudden we have very little say, and a disconnect between educators and parents.  

That is a travesty, and if anyone thinks that problem will be solved by passing the buck up to the global government of the United Nations, they are just plain wrong. 

 

Thanks Kathy.  

 

this is good to know.  Thank you Kathy.

 

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2012/201205250.asp

Mrs. Michal

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