Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 antibiotics? Hey guys. I just thought of a question. I know from all my research that taking antibiotics causes more problems in your body with yeast, etc. But...if my child is really sick...let's say bronchitis attach or something...and has a high fever....the doc will give him antibiotics. Is there any other recourse? What would you do in this case? Give the antibiotics and hope for the best? What if they're taken very rarely, like maybe once every year or two? Thanks. Kris =============== Kris, My much preferred alternatives to antibiotics are the following: 1) Transfer Factor to boost my body's immune response. (You can read more about it on my website.) 2) Colloidal Silver. For the price of distilled water and a $60 colloidal silver maker, I can make as much liquid silver colloid as I want. Colloidal Silver disables any single-celled organism by disabling the enzyme that it needs to survive. 3) Rife Technology. I used this to eliminate one dog's Lyme disease and my other dog's case of cancer. It works. You can read about this on my website too. Best, Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD http://www.nenahsylver.com * The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing * The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy * products and services for wellness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Kris, My response isn't about antibiotics, but you also mentioned high fever as a deciding factor for you with regard to treatment. So, just to give you some general suggestions about responding to fever in children, and perhaps allay some fears: http://w3.palmer.edu/strang/Philosophy115/Documents/FeverFacts02.htm http://www.taichi4seniors.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 >Hey guys. I just thought of a question. I know from all my research that taking antibiotics causes more problems in your body with yeast, etc. But...if my child is really sick...let's say bronchitis attach or something...and has a high fever....the doc will give him antibiotics. Is there any other recourse? What would you do in this case? Give the antibiotics and hope for the best? What if they're taken very rarely, like maybe once every year or two? Thanks. > >Kris In our family we have long term sinusitis problems. Left alone, these drag on for MONTHS and cause damage (and pneumonia). For many years I was on antibiotics for many months at a time. My son, who is compromised in other ways, also had to be on them, and still does sometimes. So, I used them. Giving lots of kefir did away with any diarrhea side effects. But I also look for alternatives, and did a LOT of experimenting. For the most part, a lot of bronchitis/pneumonia starts out as sinusitis. Sinusitis can be treated easily by using a Neti pot twice a day (or more) with 1 tsp salt, a couple drops of tea tree oil and 1/4 tsp of pascalite (my most recent experiment: so far it works very, very well). So the thing to do is be proactive and keep the nose from getting infected BEFORE it gets to the lungs! This is especially true during a cold ... the stuffed up nose gets infected and THAT is what causes your average " lingering cough " ... the virus goes away after a week or so, but you have this nice bacterial colony living there then. At Children's Hospital they are using saline washes to prevent that ... just like the Neti pot! They also have " squirt up your nose " antibiotic/antifungals to treat sinusitis, and we've used them. The Neti pot works better though. Just make sure you are using CLEAN water (boil it if you aren't sure of the source: our well water is full of bacteria and I found out the hard way it can make an infection worse). Once an infection is in the lungs though, you don't want to mess with it, and I don't have a good treatment. There are similar treatments for ear infections, though I haven't had those so I don't know the treatments. Generally though, drops in the ear work better than oral antibiotics. For topical wounds, using Neosporin, hydrogen peroxide, clay, tea tree oil, or oil of oregano will keep them from getting infected. This is REALLY REALLY important these days, because a lot of people are getting flesh-eating staph and it's nasty stuff (most antibiotics won't kill it either, and they end up having to amputate limbs, seriously!). Most illnesses though, that cause high fevers, are viral, not bacterial, and antibiotics don't work for those anyway. As for oral antibiotics, keep in mind that " kefir pop " , kefir, cider, kimchi etc. all contain natural antibiotics, which will help keep a kid healthy. Garlic is a good antiviral too. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 03:52:50PM -0700, Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote: <whack> > There are similar treatments for ear infections, though I haven't > had those so I don't know the treatments. Generally though, > drops in the ear work better than oral antibiotics. For any sinus problems I've been using hydrogen peroxide in the ears. Dilute with equal parts water. Dr. Mercola has a few pieces on it, mostly anecdotal IIRC, but there may have been one scientific study in there. I used to get a nasty sinus infection every winter. Since I started this, my problems have been less severe and I've avoided antibiotics altogether. Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 > Re: antibiotics? > >In our family we have long term sinusitis problems. Left alone, these >drag on for MONTHS and cause damage (and pneumonia). For many >years I was on antibiotics for many months at a time. Heidi, Have you considered that this might be what led to your gluten sensitivity? I'm reading an excellent book now re the connection between dysbiosis, yeast, immune deficiency, gluten sensitivity and autism by a Shaw, Ph.D. http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html#frontcover (A MUST read for any parent of an autistic child!) There seems to be some sort of connection between yeast overgrowth and gluten sensitivity. Many autistic kids, before they became autistic IIRC, were on long-term antibiotics, often due to ear infections. Many of them had an accompanying yeast infection. Some of them went into remission of their autism after anti-fungal treatment! This is such a great book, filling in many gaps between seemingly unrelated health issues such as food allergies, yeast infections, immune deficiency and vaccines, FWIW. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 I'm sorry if I'm repeating information someone else has already presented. I just saw this subject header and am entering in the middle. Many doctors are slowly coming around to the issue of the overuse of antibiotics. Google " overuse antibiotics " and look for the educational links. If you are going to talk to your doctor, you want to avoid anything that could be seen as fringe science. Here's some that looked promising: http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/pa/pa_antiprev_hhg.htm http://my.webmd.com/content/article/63/71848 http://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/community/ You want to speak your doctor's language because he/she is in a situation where they are open to be sued if they *don't* use antibiotics. Education yourself as well and decide whether you want to fill that perscription. You don't have to do what a doctor says, it's just that if you go against your doctor's orders, they can't be sued as easily. So they err on the side of protecting themselves rather than protecting your children. I had a similar situation. It didn't involve kids, just my own health. I have had to take a lot of antibiotics and now deal with the fallout. I told my doctor that I wanted to be tested first to find out if I had a viral infection or a bacterial infection. I told her why and she completely understood and thought testing was a good idea. So I kept her. Depending on your health plan, you may be able to shop around a bit. If you don't like how your doctor responds to your informed questions and concerns, *dump them*. Find another who will listen and take you seriously. Again, this is if your insurance allows for this. As a final note on my story, I went to the doctor on a Friday and had to wait the weekend for my results. I used herbs, clove oil, and healing chants. On Monday, I felt so much better and then the test results came back positive for strep! Because I felt so much better and was really on the ball, I choose not to start the antibiotics. I did promise my doctor to start the drugs if my symptoms got worse and I did keep a close watch for that. But I didn't need to. I got well and haven't had strep since, even though I used to get it all the time. Good luck. YR Re: antibiotics? >Hey guys. I just thought of a question. I know from all my research that taking antibiotics causes more problems in your body with yeast, etc. But...if my child is really sick...let's say bronchitis attach or something...and has a high fever....the doc will give him antibiotics. Is there any other recourse? What would you do in this case? Give the antibiotics and hope for the best? What if they're taken very rarely, like maybe once every year or two? Thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Hi Rebekah, How are you handling the intestinal damage? homeopathy as well? Just curious. Thanks, Irene We're doing oregano oil and probiotics to replenish the healthy bacteria. I'm also debating doing either the Pepto Bismal or Pascalite clay. We also do what fermented fruits and veggies we aren't allergic to, in addition to kombucha, etc. We're using chiropractic care, and recently began using homeopathy remedies under the care of a classic homeopath. Rebekah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 At 06:25 PM 7/14/2005, you wrote: >Heidi, > >Have you considered that this might be what led to your gluten sensitivity? >I'm reading an excellent book now re the connection between dysbiosis, >yeast, immune deficiency, gluten sensitivity and autism by a Shaw, >Ph.D. http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html#frontcover (A MUST >read for any parent of an autistic child!) There seems to be some sort of >connection between yeast overgrowth and gluten sensitivity. Many autistic >kids, before they became autistic IIRC, were on long-term antibiotics, often >due to ear infections. Many of them had an accompanying yeast infection. >Some of them went into remission of their autism after anti-fungal >treatment! This is such a great book, filling in many gaps between seemingly >unrelated health issues such as food allergies, yeast infections, immune >deficiency and vaccines, FWIW. > > >Suze Fisher OK, but why in the world does there have to be a CAUSE for gluten sensitivity, other than gluten? I mean, if I told you I was sensitive to mercury, you'd say, " get rid of the mercury: it's toxic " . Gluten is somewhat toxic, so the immune system reacts to it. It looks like a common infectious agent: the immune system is set to look for infections. This has been true for the last 2000 years or so. When they test babies for gluten intolerance, a lot of them are in fact gluten intolerant, though they don't show symptoms for years. Gluten intolerant kids get a LOT of infections. So therefore they will be on antibiotics. Without the antibiotics, they would likely die. But unless you test for gluten intolerance BEFORE and AFTER the antibiotics, you can't show that the antibiotics triggered the intolerance. Ditto for vaccines, mercury, sugar, fungi, or any of the other various " triggers " people keep coming up with. The common element in ALL the cases is gluten ... wherever it gets introduced, people have problems. Wherever it is removed, people stop having problems. A gluten intolerant person who eats gluten will have problems with all *kinds* of other environmental issues. For my family, I just removed the gluten, and the other environmental issues are all ok. (my kids are still exposed to fungi, mold, cats, dogs, mercury, arsenic, sugar, smoke, chocolate, EMF radiation, etc, as am I!). Anyway, there is ample evidence, from the food aid sent to other countries, that gluten all by itself can cause gluten intolerance. And since this seemed to be true in Price's time too (prior to antibiotics) and it seems to be true in studies on gluten sensitive dogs, there is no reason to think an additional trigger is needed. If they can prove it with before and after tests though, it would prove me wrong! Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Thank you so much Nenah, I'll go check out your site now! Sounds pretty fascinating! Kris > =============== > Kris, > My much preferred alternatives to antibiotics are the following: > > 1) Transfer Factor to boost my body's immune response. (You can read more > about it on my website.) > > 2) Colloidal Silver. For the price of distilled water and a $60 colloidal > silver maker, I can make as much liquid silver colloid as I want. Colloidal > Silver disables any single-celled organism by disabling the enzyme that it > needs to survive. > > 3) Rife Technology. I used this to eliminate one dog's Lyme disease and my > other dog's case of cancer. It works. You can read about this on my website > too. > > Best, > Nenah > > Nenah Sylver, PhD > http://www.nenahsylver.com > * The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing > * The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy > * products and services for wellness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 > =============== > Kris, > My much preferred alternatives to antibiotics are the following: > > 1) Transfer Factor to boost my body's immune response. (You can read more > about it on my website.) > > 2) Colloidal Silver. For the price of distilled water and a $60 colloidal > silver maker, I can make as much liquid silver colloid as I want. Colloidal > Silver disables any single-celled organism by disabling the enzyme that it > needs to survive. > (snip) > Best, > Nenah > > I would have to 2nd the recommendation for colloidal silver. Although I haven't made my own, I have used it for one of my children when she gets bronchial infections. It seems to work quite well for her. Rebekah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Just an uncalled-for intervention: Isn't the very name - antibiotic - frightening enough? " Anti " means " against " and " bio " means " life " . So it is " against life " . Whose life is it? My two children have never been given antibiotics. One is 8 and the other is 3. They are generally healthy, but whenever they get ill, we send them gently to bed and suspend all solid foods. In most cases, they are better in one or two days. They have never been given febrifuges, either. We resort to lukewarm baths and diet, as well. However, this doesn't mean that we will never use antibiotics. We will if the " natural " resources don't work. So far they have. José > > > > =============== > > Kris, > > My much preferred alternatives to antibiotics are the following: > > > > 1) Transfer Factor to boost my body's immune response. (You can > read more > > about it on my website.) > > > > 2) Colloidal Silver. For the price of distilled water and a $60 > colloidal > > silver maker, I can make as much liquid silver colloid as I want. > Colloidal > > Silver disables any single-celled organism by disabling the enzyme > that it > > needs to survive. > > (snip) > > > Best, > > Nenah > > > > I would have to 2nd the recommendation for colloidal silver. Although I haven't made my own, I have used it for one of my children when she gets bronchial infections. It seems to work quite well for her. > > Rebekah > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 > >In our family we have long term sinusitis problems. Left alone, these > >drag on for MONTHS and cause damage (and pneumonia). For many > >years I was on antibiotics for many months at a time. > > Heidi, Hi Heidi, If everyone in the house has sinusitis, my first thought is to find the mold in the house and get rid of it. For example, behind our washer, sometimes the drain gets plugged and it takes a while to get it fixed. In the meantime, black mold might start to poliferate on the wallboard. The first time it did that, I used TKO (an organic orange cleaner) and it kept it down for a *long* time. Once the drain plugged up again, and the water was getting to the wallboard, it returned. If I get a few breaths of the mold, I end up with either a slight sinus infection or a slight nosebleed in a day or so. I'm not taking CLO every day since last October, but usually a dose or two of CLO helps. I understand that olive leaf extract is antifungal, and Seagate makes a nasal spray from it. I've been tempted to try using VCO in my nostrils, but I haven't gotten to that yet. ;-) People sometimes have to get really serious with the mold...even to the extent of tearing out parts of the house and rebuilding to get rid of it. Other times they have to move out. :-( It can mess up your mind to have a fungal sinus infection. I'm talking about brain fog and flu-like symptoms. I think our Ionic Breeze air cleaner is effective at controlling the level of airborne mold in the house, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 --- In , Todd Slater <dontodd@c...> wrote: > > For any sinus problems I've been using hydrogen peroxide in the ears. > Dilute with equal parts water. Dr. Mercola has a few pieces on it, > mostly anecdotal IIRC, but there may have been one scientific study in > there. > Hi Todd I have heard of this, but Idol (what's happened to him, BTW?) mentioned that it may cause more problems (I can't remember exactly what he said about it, it's 18 months or so ago) and suggested use of vinegar instead. So I tried out both - the H202 left me feeling ear- achey and a little worried about having done some permanent damage. So next time I used white vinegar, and it seems to be much more gentle and effective without any side effects. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 > : >If everyone in the house has sinusitis, my first thought is to find >the mold in the house and get rid of it. For some people that may be the problem, but this issue for me predates this house, and the one before that. I got sinusitis even in LA, where everything was bone dry. In our case I think it tracks with the cystic fibrosis gene ... folks with that gene get really thick mucous and typically get sinusitis more ... but survive cholera better! Actually what I think is that when I go outside more, I get a runny nose because of the cold, and then I'm ok. But in our area, it is decidedly more moldy OUTSIDE ... the cold though, creates thinner mucous. My ancestors didn't live in heated houses, is the problem! Thick mucous isn't an issue if you live in a cold house. Also, it's not everyone in the house, at this point. Since we changed our diet, my dd and dh just don't get sick. My dh now says he might get a stuffed nose after drinking red wine ... which I don't, thankfully! ... which only goes to show that one's man's meat is another man's poison! Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 , Some people have success with cranberry pills. You can usually find them at HFS. Here's an example of one: http://www.papanature.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=NFS- 04825 There is also a concentrated cranberry juice that might be helpful as well, although likely not as powerful. I have used just plain cranberry juice from the grocery store to knock out a UTI. Of course, I had to drink about a couple gallons of it because the other things weren't available to me, but it did the job. I think all the peeing is helpful too, so lots of water might be a good idea. Anita -- In , " svallo44024 " <frankvallo@...> wrote: > > My daughter has a urinary tract infection. Are there any prescription > antibiotics anyone here would recommend that is gfcfsf? In the > meantime I'm using uva ursi and oil of oregano which are giving her > some relief, but not knocking out the infection. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 , The best thing we ever used is something called D-Mannose, it is the ingredient concentrated from cranberries. Very easy to dose, just 1/2 tsp in a glass of water two times a day, and its gone, works fast. Good luck, Re: Antibiotics? > , > > Some people have success with cranberry pills. You can usually find > them at HFS. Here's an example of one: > http://www.papanature.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=NFS- > 04825 > > There is also a concentrated cranberry juice that might be helpful as > well, although likely not as powerful. > > I have used just plain cranberry juice from the grocery store to knock > out a UTI. Of course, I had to drink about a couple gallons of it > because the other things weren't available to me, but it did the job. > I think all the peeing is helpful too, so lots of water might be a > good idea. > > Anita > > -- In , " svallo44024 " > <frankvallo@...> wrote: >> >> My daughter has a urinary tract infection. Are there any > prescription >> antibiotics anyone here would recommend that is gfcfsf? In the >> meantime I'm using uva ursi and oil of oregano which are giving her >> some relief, but not knocking out the infection. >> >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Yes! I was just about to write an email regarding D-Mannose, when 's came in. I used the D-Mannose product called Clear Tract. A Google search will yield several websites to buy it from, but I got mine at a local health food store. It worked great--I think it took 3 days to completely clear it up. You can mix the powder in water, but I mixed it in some unsweetened cranberry juice, and since it still wasn't sweet enough for my palate, I added xylitol (which is also antibacterial). I hope your daughter feels better soon! -- Lalita On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:36 PM, Cochran wrote: > , > > The best thing we ever used is something called D-Mannose, it is the > ingredient concentrated from cranberries. Very easy to dose, just > 1/2 tsp > in a glass of water two times a day, and its gone, works fast. > > Good luck, > > > Re: Antibiotics? > > > , > > > > Some people have success with cranberry pills. You can usually find > > them at HFS. Here's an example of one: > > http://www.papanature.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=NFS- > > 04825 > > > > There is also a concentrated cranberry juice that might be > helpful as > > well, although likely not as powerful. > > > > I have used just plain cranberry juice from the grocery store to > knock > > out a UTI. Of course, I had to drink about a couple gallons of it > > because the other things weren't available to me, but it did the > job. > > I think all the peeing is helpful too, so lots of water might be a > > good idea. > > > > Anita > > > > -- In , " svallo44024 " > > <frankvallo@...> wrote: > >> > >> My daughter has a urinary tract infection. Are there any > > prescription > >> antibiotics anyone here would recommend that is gfcfsf? In the > >> meantime I'm using uva ursi and oil of oregano which are giving her > >> some relief, but not knocking out the infection. > >> > > > > > > Messages in this topic (3)Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Polls | Calendar > You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > We Made Changes > Your email is all new. > > Learn More > > > Share Feedback > > Recent Activity > 30 > New Members > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 If you don't want to give antibiotics, a high dose of buffered C might help. Peace, Kathy E. > > My daughter has a urinary tract infection. Are there any prescription > antibiotics anyone here would recommend that is gfcfsf? In the > meantime I'm using uva ursi and oil of oregano which are giving her > some relief, but not knocking out the infection. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 > > My daughter has a urinary tract infection. Are there any prescription > antibiotics anyone here would recommend that is gfcfsf? In the > meantime I'm using uva ursi and oil of oregano which are giving her > some relief, but not knocking out the infection. I use cranberry juice for this problem. You can also be concentrated capsules or tablets at Kirkman or a local health food store. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 > > > > My daughter has a urinary tract infection. Are there any prescription > > antibiotics anyone here would recommend that is gfcfsf? In the > > meantime I'm using uva ursi and oil of oregano which are giving her > > some relief, but not knocking out the infection. > > > I use cranberry juice for this problem. You can also be concentrated > capsules or tablets at Kirkman or a local health food store. > > Dana I also used cranberry..but swallowed pills.two...2 or 3 times a day from now foods....and also added extra olive leaf. I also at least doubled my intake of water....cuz it made it less concentrated and hurt less...and that is a good thing.... and since I had the trouble...I keep cranberry pills a part of my daily morning pills...and that has helped keep them away...and I don't think it hurts anything to take em daily. just my 2 cents. Ronni > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Has anyone tried Minocycline treatment? I've been on it a week. Sierra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Hi Kim, I have certainly no experience with antibiotics or breastfeeding.... but wouldn't antibiotics also need to wait until after you are done breastfeeding?? As far as MTX, It sounds scary, but gave me back my life and I am definitely a success story. Your concern would be that you might want to have another child. If so, I'd be sure and talk about this with your rheumy and obstetrician. Stay Well, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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