Guest guest Posted February 2, 2002 Report Share Posted February 2, 2002 Hi everyone I apologize for the negative posts recently. I am still recovering from surgery and have been doing more than I should. I am very tired and cranky from it all. I forgot for a moment the true purpose of this group due to a negative distraction that got me down. I feel terrible for it and want you to know that I am really not a negative person and hope that I can be of help to people in the future rather than a threat. The true meaning of this group is to support each other rather than criticize. The discussion that went on should have been a private email rather than a post for everyone to view and be upset by.To those people that want to leave the group, please do not leave. I will leave before you should ever feel you have to because of this negative experience. Love, Angelika Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 I guess I should apologize to the group. Not only do I shop at Wal-Mart but I also own stock in the company so while I was in fact offering what I though was simply some cost savings advice I suspect I'm a coupon clipping part of the evil empire. I will resist the temptation to correct your accusations as I obviously have a bias. The general events you allude to have been widely reported in the press (and a few you didn't). The truth is easy enough to find for anyone with access to a credible news database. Of course if you get your info or anything else from the internet have your BS filters turned on. If you wish to have a thoughtful conversation about this off list my email addy is published. JR PS: I also own stock in the company that makes Sucralose, so I guess I shouldn't advocate that either... and then there's Microsoft :-) -----Original Message----- From: Lynn [mailto:dayrain@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:46 PM CR Support Group Subject: Re: [ ] BP ......... Na ...... Ca Just writing to suggest that folks consider *not* shopping at Walmart, seeing as Walmart uses unconscionable tactics to save money. Recently it was discovered that some Walmarts made a practice of hiring illegal aliens as janitors, paying them less than minimum wage, working them seven days a week with never a day off. Some Walmarts locked night workers in for their shift, with no one on-site having a key--and on multiple occasions workers couldn't get out to obtain medical care when emergencies occurred. Regular ongoing Walmart cost-cutting measures involve buying goods made in countries where there's child labor and other egregious worker abuses, along with severe abuse of the environment that wouldn't be tolerated in the U.S. Meanwhile, in the U.S., Walmart employees are poorly paid, and benefits are poor or nonexistent, although the company's TV ads claim differently. And, of course, Walmart superstores damage communities by driving small locally-owned stores out of business. Let's allow issues of right and wrong to have a place in our nutrition and purchasing choices! Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: rsavage271@... Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [ ] BP ......... Na ...... Ca .... available at Walmart Superstores .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 carrie - we all love you and would never think like that. thanks shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hi , Just to let you know, I don't hold a grudge. But, just one favor. If I recommend a doctor, please don't act like it is a bad thing for me to do. I have run a survivors group for 13 years and I know that many docs are not good. I also know that some are. I hope we can all be friends and just work together for the good of all women. Lynda At 06:56 AM 5/4/2004, you wrote: >To all group members. I feel badly that i argued on here, I will be >taking a little break from the group as I get so passionate about >some issues that I act wrongly. I was wrong to argue back and forth >over the issues at hand and apologize to all whom I offended or upset. >It is best for me to take a break for a bit because I don't want >anyone to hate me or think I am evil. I really do love my surgeon and >sometimes I guess I get too passionate about her, however, I never >ever bash any other surgeons and if in my recomendation of Dr Feng I >appeared to be saying others were not good, that is wrong and I am so >so sorry. >I do so love Dr Feng and am grateful that the lord lead me to her, I >feel she saved my life, in general when you feel someone saved your >life it is hard not to be a bit over zealous about that kind of thing. >I am truly sorry for any pain or hurt I may have caused. >Kindly, with hugs > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Lynda I am truly sorry if I came off that way, I actually have always thought Dr Huang's work very similiar to Dr Feng and realy did not mean to seem that way. I am totally in agreement that we need all the good docs we can get. I love Dr Feng totally, that I will never change, but I dont want to fight with anyone. I am sorry again. Take care In , Lynda <coss@p...> wrote: > Hi , > > Just to let you know, I don't hold a grudge. But, just one favor. If I > recommend a doctor, please don't act like it is a bad thing for me to do. I > have run a survivors group for 13 years and I know that many docs are not > good. I also know that some are. > > I hope we can all be friends and just work together for the good of all women. > > Lynda > > > At 06:56 AM 5/4/2004, you wrote: > >To all group members. I feel badly that i argued on here, I will be > >taking a little break from the group as I get so passionate about > >some issues that I act wrongly. I was wrong to argue back and forth > >over the issues at hand and apologize to all whom I offended or upset. > >It is best for me to take a break for a bit because I don't want > >anyone to hate me or think I am evil. I really do love my surgeon and > >sometimes I guess I get too passionate about her, however, I never > >ever bash any other surgeons and if in my recomendation of Dr Feng I > >appeared to be saying others were not good, that is wrong and I am so > >so sorry. > >I do so love Dr Feng and am grateful that the lord lead me to her, I > >feel she saved my life, in general when you feel someone saved your > >life it is hard not to be a bit over zealous about that kind of thing. > >I am truly sorry for any pain or hurt I may have caused. > >Kindly, with hugs > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Thank you Shari, unfortunately I am human and make mistakes as we all do. We are imperfect, for only the lord himself is perfect, all we can do is try our best to follow his path. In , halvey70@a... wrote: > carrie - we all love you and would never think like that. > > thanks > shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 , I was always sure you did not mean to drive women away from good doctors. And I am sorry if I rile you somehow, although for the life of me, I do not understand it. But, let us agree that many docs can help if they know how and we should keep trying to find more of them. Bless them if they can help us. Someday I will tell you how Dr. Huang helped the Boise group leader when she had a sudden rupture when she came to my conference in Denver in 1993. She was so wonderful. She even gave me her home phone number in case something like that came up again. Lynda At 05:54 PM 5/4/2004, you wrote: >Lynda I am truly sorry if I came off that way, I actually have always >thought Dr Huang's work very similiar to Dr Feng and realy did not >mean to seem that way. I am totally in agreement that we need all the >good docs we can get. I love Dr Feng totally, that I will never >change, but I dont want to fight with anyone. >I am sorry again. >Take care > > > > > > > >In , Lynda <coss@p...> wrote: > > Hi , > > > > Just to let you know, I don't hold a grudge. But, just one favor. >If I > > recommend a doctor, please don't act like it is a bad thing for me >to do. I > > have run a survivors group for 13 years and I know that many docs >are not > > good. I also know that some are. > > > > I hope we can all be friends and just work together for the good of >all women. > > > > Lynda > > > > > > At 06:56 AM 5/4/2004, you wrote: > > >To all group members. I feel badly that i argued on here, I will be > > >taking a little break from the group as I get so passionate about > > >some issues that I act wrongly. I was wrong to argue back and forth > > >over the issues at hand and apologize to all whom I offended or >upset. > > >It is best for me to take a break for a bit because I don't want > > >anyone to hate me or think I am evil. I really do love my surgeon >and > > >sometimes I guess I get too passionate about her, however, I never > > >ever bash any other surgeons and if in my recomendation of Dr Feng >I > > >appeared to be saying others were not good, that is wrong and I am >so > > >so sorry. > > >I do so love Dr Feng and am grateful that the lord lead me to her, >I > > >feel she saved my life, in general when you feel someone saved your > > >life it is hard not to be a bit over zealous about that kind of >thing. > > >I am truly sorry for any pain or hurt I may have caused. > > >Kindly, with hugs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Lynda: Honestly I don't know why you think you rile me up, you do not rile me up. I do have a stressfull job and sometimes I do come home slightly riled up ha ha. So maybe it just seems to come out in my posts! I really do not mean to be that way and am going to check myself to be sure not to upset or come off rude. I am happy that Dr Huang was there to help this lady and think that is really awesome. I am of course dedicated to helping others, which is why I speak from my heart about my experience with explant and implantation for that matter everything in between as well. I had a really nice implanting PS with impecable reputation and he offered to explant me for free, but I was just too freaked out by that time. He also would not do a lift at the same time as removal and I was basically petrified of looking at my saggy poor sacks of skin(not really any breast) so when I spoke with Dr Feng on the phone and she assured me she could do both removal and lift together in one shot, that was it. I scheduled with her and never looked back. It was such a relief and a feeling of peace to be in her tender hands. She was such an angel to me. I wish more women would speak up about their own personal experiences with their PS's I think that it helps others to hear these wonderful things. I hope you will post your wonderful story of Dr Huang as well. These things are what really help women ya know what I mean? Anyhow the staff and even the waiting room at Dr Fengs is just amazingly soothing. It was like stepping into another world. After all the horrible Dr's and rheumatologists etc that treated me like a crazy person it was just nice to be somewhere that finally, I was treated with respect and not just that,but to be looked in the eye and told " yes it is your implants " that was just the best feeling in the world to me. And yes, part of why my trip to Ohio was made easier was that I had sky miles on Delta just enough to get me and my mom there and home from San Franciso(where I lived at that time). My parents loaned me the money and it was not cheap, but they were so tired of watching me, their youngest daughter, who had always been so full of life and vitality, slipping into death, that they were just so happy to help me out financially. I realize not everyone has that option and that I am EXTREMELY blessed to have had their help. I do so badly want to hear more about surgeons that are good. I want so much to feel faith when I tell someone about another surgeon. I have a good friend who did go to Denver to Huang around the same time as me, her pics are on this site. Her breasts and incisions look very very similiar to me. She looks amazing and I was impressed with her vertical lift scars. I am sure by now they are gone, like mine, just a small white line is all I have and even thatr is hard to see. For me my health came first, but I admit my looks are important to me and I did want to have attractive breasts. I did not care so much to be flat, that is fine, as long as they are not droopy ya know. Anyhow I am just rambling on now and really have a zilion things to do before I go to bed, May the lord keep you safe and blessed, hugs In , Lynda <coss@p...> wrote: > , > > I was always sure you did not mean to drive women away from good doctors. > > And I am sorry if I rile you somehow, although for the life of me, I do not > understand it. > > But, let us agree that many docs can help if they know how and we should > keep trying to find more of them. Bless them if they can help us. > > Someday I will tell you how Dr. Huang helped the Boise group leader when > she had a sudden rupture when she came to my conference in Denver in > 1993. She was so wonderful. She even gave me her home phone number in > case something like that came up again. > > Lynda > > > > > At 05:54 PM 5/4/2004, you wrote: > >Lynda I am truly sorry if I came off that way, I actually have always > >thought Dr Huang's work very similiar to Dr Feng and realy did not > >mean to seem that way. I am totally in agreement that we need all the > >good docs we can get. I love Dr Feng totally, that I will never > >change, but I dont want to fight with anyone. > >I am sorry again. > >Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In , Lynda <coss@p...> wrote: > > > Hi , > > > > > > Just to let you know, I don't hold a grudge. But, just one favor. > >If I > > > recommend a doctor, please don't act like it is a bad thing for me > >to do. I > > > have run a survivors group for 13 years and I know that many docs > >are not > > > good. I also know that some are. > > > > > > I hope we can all be friends and just work together for the good of > >all women. > > > > > > Lynda > > > > > > > > > At 06:56 AM 5/4/2004, you wrote: > > > >To all group members. I feel badly that i argued on here, I will be > > > >taking a little break from the group as I get so passionate about > > > >some issues that I act wrongly. I was wrong to argue back and forth > > > >over the issues at hand and apologize to all whom I offended or > >upset. > > > >It is best for me to take a break for a bit because I don't want > > > >anyone to hate me or think I am evil. I really do love my surgeon > >and > > > >sometimes I guess I get too passionate about her, however, I never > > > >ever bash any other surgeons and if in my recomendation of Dr Feng > >I > > > >appeared to be saying others were not good, that is wrong and I am > >so > > > >so sorry. > > > >I do so love Dr Feng and am grateful that the lord lead me to her, > >I > > > >feel she saved my life, in general when you feel someone saved your > > > >life it is hard not to be a bit over zealous about that kind of > >thing. > > > >I am truly sorry for any pain or hurt I may have caused. > > > >Kindly, with hugs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 , I thought my implanting surgeon was nice, but he sure almost killed me when he removed a ruptured implant and left my chest full of silicone. You really come off as a little obsessed, maybe. I think just toning it down and timing it better would be all that you would need to do. When you come out so strongly right after someone makes a recommendation, it really sounds like you have something against the person recommended. And all that stuff about her office being listed on some site. If you knew the eggshells she has walked on in that office to help women!!!! It was quite something back in the early 90's. I had to lie to them to get to talk to her when the Boise leader was at my home, sobbing her eyes out because they would not give her an appt. (Just a little white lie.) In any case, at this point, she just does her thing and mostly ignores it if they don't really like it. They are good at what they do, and sometimes one of them even assists her now in removal. She has trained one of them in the en bloc procedure. The others, well....... So, we just work with her and ignore her partners. It seems the best way. Keep in mind that most women do not have $10,000 cash to have an explant. takes insurance, and medicaid. She has gone out of her way to make it easy for women. She writes insurance letters to help get coverage. She has been truly an angel in this cause. One woman came from Alaska for a preliminary appt., and she was so ill, rescheduled surgeries so she could get her in immediately instead of having her return in three weeks. She is truly humane. Women who go to her truly love her. When the Boise conference fell short on covering expenses, wrote a check for $500 to help pay expenses. She paid her way to Sydney Australia to do a complementary medical conference and do a conference for women there. Only Dr. Patten also paid his own way. We covered the expenses of 5 other doctors to have them come. Now that was an undertaking. Wonder if I could do it now. Took a lot of work. does the lift the same day, as she thinks it is unnecessary and cruel to expose women to two surgeries. And if she does a reduction and the circumstances are right, she does an inverted U incision to keep from moving the nipple, thereby keeping the sensation in the nipple area. Anything to make it better for the woman. This is just background to give you some of 's character. These wonderful plastic surgeons that have helped us need to be recognized as angels of mercy. I am a social worker (MSW) and so helping is probably in my blood. I have gone out of my way most of my life to help others. This is who I am. My husband (now ex) always said I was the champion of the underdog. I guess that is true. I am always fighting for those who need a little help. So now you know why I recommend . She is affordable, takes insurance and medicaid, and truly a humane person. I think we all need to thank God that we have these wonderful angels that are so willing to help us. Lynda >Lynda: > Honestly I don't know why you think you rile me up, you do not rile >me up. I do have a stressfull job and sometimes I do come home >slightly riled up ha ha. So maybe it just seems to come out in my >posts! I really do not mean to be that way and am going to check >myself to be sure not to upset or come off rude. >I am happy that Dr Huang was there to help this lady and think that >is really awesome. >I am of course dedicated to helping others, which is why I speak from >my heart about my experience with explant and implantation for that >matter everything in between as well. >I had a really nice implanting PS with impecable reputation and he >offered to explant me for free, but I was just too freaked out by >that time. He also would not do a lift at the same time as removal >and I was basically petrified of looking at my saggy poor sacks of >skin(not really any breast) so when I spoke with Dr Feng on the phone >and she assured me she could do both removal and lift together in one >shot, that was it. I scheduled with her and never looked back. It was >such a relief and a feeling of peace to be in her tender hands. She >was such an angel to me. I wish more women would speak up about their >own personal experiences with their PS's I think that it helps others >to hear these wonderful things. I hope you will post your wonderful >story of Dr Huang as well. These things are what really help women ya >know what I mean? >Anyhow the staff and even the waiting room at Dr Fengs is just >amazingly soothing. It was like stepping into another world. After >all the horrible Dr's and rheumatologists etc that treated me like a >crazy person it was just nice to be somewhere that finally, I was >treated with respect and not just that,but to be looked in the eye >and told " yes it is your implants " that was just the best feeling in >the world to me. And yes, part of why my trip to Ohio was made easier >was that I had sky miles on Delta just enough to get me and my mom >there and home from San Franciso(where I lived at that time). My >parents loaned me the money and it was not cheap, but they were so >tired of watching me, their youngest daughter, who had always been so >full of life and vitality, slipping into death, that they were just >so happy to help me out financially. I realize not everyone has that >option and that I am EXTREMELY blessed to have had their help. >I do so badly want to hear more about surgeons that are good. I want >so much to feel faith when I tell someone about another surgeon. I >have a good friend who did go to Denver to Huang around the same time >as me, her pics are on this site. Her breasts and incisions look very >very similiar to me. >She looks amazing and I was impressed with her vertical lift scars. I >am sure by now they are gone, like mine, just a small white line is >all I have and even thatr is hard to see. >For me my health came first, but I admit my looks are important to me >and I did want to have attractive breasts. I did not care so much to >be flat, that is fine, as long as they are not droopy ya know. >Anyhow I am just rambling on now and really have a zilion things to >do before I go to bed, >May the lord keep you safe and blessed, >hugs > > > > > > > > In , Lynda <coss@p...> wrote: > > , > > > > I was always sure you did not mean to drive women away from good >doctors. > > > > And I am sorry if I rile you somehow, although for the life of me, >I do not > > understand it. > > > > But, let us agree that many docs can help if they know how and we >should > > keep trying to find more of them. Bless them if they can help us. > > > > Someday I will tell you how Dr. Huang helped the Boise group leader >when > > she had a sudden rupture when she came to my conference in Denver >in > > 1993. She was so wonderful. She even gave me her home phone >number in > > case something like that came up again. > > > > Lynda > > > > > > > > > > At 05:54 PM 5/4/2004, you wrote: > > >Lynda I am truly sorry if I came off that way, I actually have >always > > >thought Dr Huang's work very similiar to Dr Feng and realy did not > > >mean to seem that way. I am totally in agreement that we need all >the > > >good docs we can get. I love Dr Feng totally, that I will never > > >change, but I dont want to fight with anyone. > > >I am sorry again. > > >Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In , Lynda <coss@p...> wrote: > > > > Hi , > > > > > > > > Just to let you know, I don't hold a grudge. But, just one >favor. > > >If I > > > > recommend a doctor, please don't act like it is a bad thing for >me > > >to do. I > > > > have run a survivors group for 13 years and I know that many >docs > > >are not > > > > good. I also know that some are. > > > > > > > > I hope we can all be friends and just work together for the >good of > > >all women. > > > > > > > > Lynda > > > > > > > > > > > > At 06:56 AM 5/4/2004, you wrote: > > > > >To all group members. I feel badly that i argued on here, I >will be > > > > >taking a little break from the group as I get so passionate >about > > > > >some issues that I act wrongly. I was wrong to argue back and >forth > > > > >over the issues at hand and apologize to all whom I offended or > > >upset. > > > > >It is best for me to take a break for a bit because I don't >want > > > > >anyone to hate me or think I am evil. I really do love my >surgeon > > >and > > > > >sometimes I guess I get too passionate about her, however, I >never > > > > >ever bash any other surgeons and if in my recomendation of Dr >Feng > > >I > > > > >appeared to be saying others were not good, that is wrong and >I am > > >so > > > > >so sorry. > > > > >I do so love Dr Feng and am grateful that the lord lead me to >her, > > >I > > > > >feel she saved my life, in general when you feel someone saved >your > > > > >life it is hard not to be a bit over zealous about that kind of > > >thing. > > > > >I am truly sorry for any pain or hurt I may have caused. > > > > >Kindly, with hugs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Please don't apologize, Jane. I have been following this discussion, but have not chimed in only because I did not understand where it was going...at first! I have gone over these posts a few times and am now making perfect sense out of them. I do see both sides of the issue. I have gone through so many stages with my grandson that I have not really stopped to think much about the empathy issue. I do know that when Noah was at his worst, he showed no feelings. Soon after his sister was born (and after he had his flu shot) he began to show no interest in her. I remember his cousin, 2 months younger, couldn't take his eyes off of this baby. He patted her head and stroked her tiny feet. Noah sat there and wouldn't even look at her. How heartbreaking is that??? When his older sibs were angry or cried, he did not react. When they laughed, he often tried to force a laugh too, but clearly didn't understand why. I remember taking him by himself (before his dx) and trying to work with him on emotions. I only got results with imitating laughter. As we began chelation, more emotions began to creep into his personality. He never had ABA (we had to make a financial choice), but he did start pre-school at around the same time. So I will never discredit whatever educational intervention may have been done to promote empathy. We have been doing biomedical for 15 months now, and are seeing tremendous progresss. But I still have to emphasize that he is not totally recovered. He has a lot of conversational speech and social skills to learn. I will always swear by biomeds and diet. I saw a sickly, frustrated child, with low (but not entirely lacking) communication skills, become healthier, happier and closer to becoming NT from the day we started. I feel through the DAN! Protocol that we are using, we are healing him from the inside out. But school and therapy has helped him to learn, talk and feel. I remember going over to play with the kids after school, when he was about 4. Noah was not a happy camper that day. I asked him what was wrong. He ran to get his PECS cards and pointed to a boy who was crying and said " Noah's sad. " Obviously he had learned that. Since he has started at the Achievement Center where they are bombarding him with Speech, OT, Floortime and PECS, we are seeeing improvements in both " what " he says as well as " how " he says it. He has just completed week 3 of extended school year. Quite frankly, I can't wait till he starts full time in the fall. What I'm saying, or should I say " observing " is that I would never discount one over the other. For us it has been both. Even if biomeds never helped him to become more aware (which it did), it did bring his physical health back to him. That HAS to make for a happier child who is now open to learning. Of course, empathy fits right in there with his ABC, and 123,s. Again, I enjoyed the liveliness of this discussion. Controversy forces discussion, which results in learning. I love this group. Please don't unsubscribe, Roxanna. We need your opinions and input. , we need your Professional expertise. Your very long post on what area of the brain activates empathy was terrific. Poor elephants, though. I didn't realize that they messed with their poor little brains in the name of entertainment!!! : ( Sorry this is so long, but I felt the need to jump in before this discussion was closed. Thanks for your opinions. Now, it's 4:30 am...what the heck am I doing up??? -Trish > > I sincerely apologize if I have upset the harmony on this group with > the posts about my dog. This was in no way my intention. > I beg you all to move away from the topic and discuss something else. > Jane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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