Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Make sure that you are careful with those chips girl as they do deplete your vitamins ! you may want to take extra supplements with them Love ----- Original Message ----- From: Angelika Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Re: From Patty I bought two bags of WOW today... we will see ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: From Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Patty Heer Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: Re: http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm By the way, there is a study posted on the website. Did you take a look at it? Here's what's on the site: "From Medline: Olestra increases faecal excretion of ,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin. Geusau A, Tschachler E, Meixner M, Sandermann S, Papke O, Wolf C, Valic E, Stingl G, McLachlan M Two patients with chloracne had concentrations of 2,3,7,8- tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD) of 144,000 and 26,000 pg/g blood lipids. Olestra, a non-digestible, lipophilic dietary fat substitute accelerated the patients' intestinal excretion of TCDD by eight to ten fold. This is sufficient to reduce the normally observed elimination half life of TCDD from about 7 years to 1-2 years. Lancet 1999 Oct 9;354(9186):1266-7 ---------------------------------------------------- A non-absorbable dietary fat substitute enhances elimination of persistent lipophilic contaminants in humans. Moser GA, McLachlan MS University of Bayreuth, Germany. For individuals contaminated with persistent lipophilic pollutants, there is an urgent need for a therapy to enhance contaminant elimination from the body and hence reduce long term exposure. This study investigated the possibility of enhancing the excretion of native chemical via the faeces by augmenting the lipophilic properties of the faeces with the non-absorbable lipid substitute olestra. The faecal excretion of polychlorinated dibenzo-p-dioxins and dibenzofurans (PCDD/Fs), polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), and hexachlorobenzene (HCB) was measured in 3 volunteers. The excretion while eating an olestra-free diet was compared with the excretion while eating a diet supplemented wit 25 g/d of olestra. The excretion while on the olestra diet was higher by a factor of 1.5-11, depending on the compound. This resulted from higher concentrations of the contaminants in the faeces and higher excretion of faeces dry mass due to the food additive. Using 2,3,7,8-Cl4DD as an example, it was estimated that ingestion of 25 g/d of olestra would more than double the overall rate of elimination of this compound from the body. It is concluded that regular consumption of olestra may provide a therapeutic approach for reducing the body burden of persistent lipophilic contaminants. Chemosphere 1999 Oct;39(9):1513-21 ------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Patty Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: Re: http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm Patty I thought that those chips were supposed to bad for you , how do we know that this info is true? I am unclear on this. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Patty Ilena Rosenthal Cc: Heer Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Fw: http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm Hi Ilena and , got this interesting post from the person named in the letter below, who had improved using the WOW chips. , you might want to post this on the Saline group. Thanks! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: careysullins@... BernieW7@... Cc: faussettdp@... Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm Severe Chemical Sensitivity: I Improved my tolerance from 5% to 80% in different areas it seems. it was said on http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm that I claimed to be cured but things still get to me big time however Olestra did make the first real change in my tolerance SSi forms knocked me down and out a month each of the two times it took me to fill them out and with lingering effects about 3 months all together Still after Olestra I can handle exhaust a lot better, as well as some fragrance, etc. and I stopped hitting solid walls of toxins. TransFer Factor Seems to be helping now with fatigue some. Fibro still a problem. Lately ran into someone else that got hooked on WOW chips but didn't relate it to her symptoms improving till we emailed. A few folk I know have done it and improved, one guy saying about 90% across the board for a while but he found some things he still had problems with later. below is what I found at the web page but rumors happen Bernie Windham BernieW7@... Subject: http://www.listserv.gmd.de/htbin/wa.exe?A2=ind0008 & L=amalgam & D=0 & P=14998 Re: chelator for silicones What would you use to chelate silicon from breast implants? Joyce I saw an abstract posted on the MCS list that potato chips with olestra are good chelators of chemicals such as dioxins, PCBs, etc. Maybe also for this, but I don't know the mechinism involved, didn't follow up on looking at the study. Of course they cause loss of some essential minerals as well. Bernie From: http://www.listserv.gmd.de/htbin/wa.exe?A2=ind0008 & L=amalgam & D=0 & P=15390 Bernie Windham BernieW7@... Subject: Re: chelator for silicones Joyce, I should have said more about the WOW Chips as a chelator. They chelate lipophilic(fat-loving) substances like dioxins, PCBs, some of the organo chlorine compounds, etc. but also essential nutrients like essential fatty acids, cartinoids, other lipophilic nutrients and vitamins, etc. So if one were to use it, they need to try to replace such things. Some claim to have been cured of MCS by eating WOW chips, such as someone I know named Carey Sullins. Bernie Visit iWon.com - the Internet's largest guaranteed cash giveaway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 I bought two bags of WOW today... we will see ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: From Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Patty Heer Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: Re: http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm By the way, there is a study posted on the website. Did you take a look at it? Here's what's on the site: "From Medline: Olestra increases faecal excretion of ,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin. Geusau A, Tschachler E, Meixner M, Sandermann S, Papke O, Wolf C, Valic E, Stingl G, McLachlan M Two patients with chloracne had concentrations of 2,3,7,8- tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD) of 144,000 and 26,000 pg/g blood lipids. Olestra, a non-digestible, lipophilic dietary fat substitute accelerated the patients' intestinal excretion of TCDD by eight to ten fold. This is sufficient to reduce the normally observed elimination half life of TCDD from about 7 years to 1-2 years. Lancet 1999 Oct 9;354(9186):1266-7 ---------------------------------------------------- A non-absorbable dietary fat substitute enhances elimination of persistent lipophilic contaminants in humans. Moser GA, McLachlan MS University of Bayreuth, Germany. For individuals contaminated with persistent lipophilic pollutants, there is an urgent need for a therapy to enhance contaminant elimination from the body and hence reduce long term exposure. This study investigated the possibility of enhancing the excretion of native chemical via the faeces by augmenting the lipophilic properties of the faeces with the non-absorbable lipid substitute olestra. The faecal excretion of polychlorinated dibenzo-p-dioxins and dibenzofurans (PCDD/Fs), polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), and hexachlorobenzene (HCB) was measured in 3 volunteers. The excretion while eating an olestra-free diet was compared with the excretion while eating a diet supplemented wit 25 g/d of olestra. The excretion while on the olestra diet was higher by a factor of 1.5-11, depending on the compound. This resulted from higher concentrations of the contaminants in the faeces and higher excretion of faeces dry mass due to the food additive. Using 2,3,7,8-Cl4DD as an example, it was estimated that ingestion of 25 g/d of olestra would more than double the overall rate of elimination of this compound from the body. It is concluded that regular consumption of olestra may provide a therapeutic approach for reducing the body burden of persistent lipophilic contaminants. Chemosphere 1999 Oct;39(9):1513-21 ------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Patty Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: Re: http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm Patty I thought that those chips were supposed to bad for you , how do we know that this info is true? I am unclear on this. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Patty Ilena Rosenthal Cc: Heer Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Fw: http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm Hi Ilena and , got this interesting post from the person named in the letter below, who had improved using the WOW chips. , you might want to post this on the Saline group. Thanks! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: careysullins@... BernieW7@... Cc: faussettdp@... Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm Severe Chemical Sensitivity: I Improved my tolerance from 5% to 80% in different areas it seems. it was said on http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm that I claimed to be cured but things still get to me big time however Olestra did make the first real change in my tolerance SSi forms knocked me down and out a month each of the two times it took me to fill them out and with lingering effects about 3 months all together Still after Olestra I can handle exhaust a lot better, as well as some fragrance, etc. and I stopped hitting solid walls of toxins. TransFer Factor Seems to be helping now with fatigue some. Fibro still a problem. Lately ran into someone else that got hooked on WOW chips but didn't relate it to her symptoms improving till we emailed. A few folk I know have done it and improved, one guy saying about 90% across the board for a while but he found some things he still had problems with later. below is what I found at the web page but rumors happen Bernie Windham BernieW7@... Subject: http://www.listserv.gmd.de/htbin/wa.exe?A2=ind0008 & L=amalgam & D=0 & P=14998 Re: chelator for silicones What would you use to chelate silicon from breast implants? Joyce I saw an abstract posted on the MCS list that potato chips with olestra are good chelators of chemicals such as dioxins, PCBs, etc. Maybe also for this, but I don't know the mechinism involved, didn't follow up on looking at the study. Of course they cause loss of some essential minerals as well. Bernie From: http://www.listserv.gmd.de/htbin/wa.exe?A2=ind0008 & L=amalgam & D=0 & P=15390 Bernie Windham BernieW7@... Subject: Re: chelator for silicones Joyce, I should have said more about the WOW Chips as a chelator. They chelate lipophilic(fat-loving) substances like dioxins, PCBs, some of the organo chlorine compounds, etc. but also essential nutrients like essential fatty acids, cartinoids, other lipophilic nutrients and vitamins, etc. So if one were to use it, they need to try to replace such things. Some claim to have been cured of MCS by eating WOW chips, such as someone I know named Carey Sullins. Bernie Visit iWon.com - the Internet's largest guaranteed cash giveaway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Thank you big sis, I will not go crazy, I just buy a little extra so they don't run it. I am weird like that. I always think something is going to be discontinued with my luck, it is. Anyway, I wanted to try the two different types: the ridges and plain. ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:10 PM Subject: Re: From Patty Make sure that you are careful with those chips girl as they do deplete your vitamins ! you may want to take extra supplements with them Love ----- Original Message ----- From: Angelika Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Re: From Patty I bought two bags of WOW today... we will see ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: From Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Patty Heer Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: Re: http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm By the way, there is a study posted on the website. Did you take a look at it? Here's what's on the site: "From Medline: Olestra increases faecal excretion of ,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin. Geusau A, Tschachler E, Meixner M, Sandermann S, Papke O, Wolf C, Valic E, Stingl G, McLachlan M Two patients with chloracne had concentrations of 2,3,7,8- tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD) of 144,000 and 26,000 pg/g blood lipids. Olestra, a non-digestible, lipophilic dietary fat substitute accelerated the patients' intestinal excretion of TCDD by eight to ten fold. This is sufficient to reduce the normally observed elimination half life of TCDD from about 7 years to 1-2 years. Lancet 1999 Oct 9;354(9186):1266-7 ---------------------------------------------------- A non-absorbable dietary fat substitute enhances elimination of persistent lipophilic contaminants in humans. Moser GA, McLachlan MS University of Bayreuth, Germany. For individuals contaminated with persistent lipophilic pollutants, there is an urgent need for a therapy to enhance contaminant elimination from the body and hence reduce long term exposure. This study investigated the possibility of enhancing the excretion of native chemical via the faeces by augmenting the lipophilic properties of the faeces with the non-absorbable lipid substitute olestra. The faecal excretion of polychlorinated dibenzo-p-dioxins and dibenzofurans (PCDD/Fs), polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), and hexachlorobenzene (HCB) was measured in 3 volunteers. The excretion while eating an olestra-free diet was compared with the excretion while eating a diet supplemented wit 25 g/d of olestra. The excretion while on the olestra diet was higher by a factor of 1.5-11, depending on the compound. This resulted from higher concentrations of the contaminants in the faeces and higher excretion of faeces dry mass due to the food additive. Using 2,3,7,8-Cl4DD as an example, it was estimated that ingestion of 25 g/d of olestra would more than double the overall rate of elimination of this compound from the body. It is concluded that regular consumption of olestra may provide a therapeutic approach for reducing the body burden of persistent lipophilic contaminants. Chemosphere 1999 Oct;39(9):1513-21 ------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Patty Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: Re: http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm Patty I thought that those chips were supposed to bad for you , how do we know that this info is true? I am unclear on this. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Patty Ilena Rosenthal Cc: Heer Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Fw: http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm Hi Ilena and , got this interesting post from the person named in the letter below, who had improved using the WOW chips. , you might want to post this on the Saline group. Thanks! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: careysullins@... BernieW7@... Cc: faussettdp@... Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm Severe Chemical Sensitivity: I Improved my tolerance from 5% to 80% in different areas it seems. it was said on http://199.45.69.176/tony/Corner2/058.htm that I claimed to be cured but things still get to me big time however Olestra did make the first real change in my tolerance SSi forms knocked me down and out a month each of the two times it took me to fill them out and with lingering effects about 3 months all together Still after Olestra I can handle exhaust a lot better, as well as some fragrance, etc. and I stopped hitting solid walls of toxins. TransFer Factor Seems to be helping now with fatigue some. Fibro still a problem. Lately ran into someone else that got hooked on WOW chips but didn't relate it to her symptoms improving till we emailed. A few folk I know have done it and improved, one guy saying about 90% across the board for a while but he found some things he still had problems with later. below is what I found at the web page but rumors happen Bernie Windham BernieW7@... Subject: http://www.listserv.gmd.de/htbin/wa.exe?A2=ind0008 & L=amalgam & D=0 & P=14998 Re: chelator for silicones What would you use to chelate silicon from breast implants? Joyce I saw an abstract posted on the MCS list that potato chips with olestra are good chelators of chemicals such as dioxins, PCBs, etc. Maybe also for this, but I don't know the mechinism involved, didn't follow up on looking at the study. Of course they cause loss of some essential minerals as well. Bernie From: http://www.listserv.gmd.de/htbin/wa.exe?A2=ind0008 & L=amalgam & D=0 & P=15390 Bernie Windham BernieW7@... Subject: Re: chelator for silicones Joyce, I should have said more about the WOW Chips as a chelator. They chelate lipophilic(fat-loving) substances like dioxins, PCBs, some of the organo chlorine compounds, etc. but also essential nutrients like essential fatty acids, cartinoids, other lipophilic nutrients and vitamins, etc. So if one were to use it, they need to try to replace such things. Some claim to have been cured of MCS by eating WOW chips, such as someone I know named Carey Sullins. Bernie Visit iWon.com - the Internet's largest guaranteed cash giveaway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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