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I was one of those people that had NO problems with Arava. It had a good

side effect. I lost weight, less appetite and my cholesterol went down.

But MTX was horrible and I had ALL the side effects...to the point any good

effects were seriously over shadowed by all the bad stuff...so I had to stop

it.

Enbrel worked great for a while...then I started having problems with

it...so no more enbrel.

Now I am on plaquinil and it does sometimes upset my stomach if I take it

before eating. But otherwise no problems...other than it just is not working.

Humira works great for fatigue and pain for all of 4 days....but the burning

pain of the injection kinda makes it not worth the little bit of good

effects.

It really is a crap shoot with these meds...and can be very frustrating.

Toni

In a message dated 4/20/2006 4:30:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

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From: " " Matsumura_Clan@...

Date: Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:48am(PDT)

Subject: Re: - Arava

,

It's true that all drugs have side effects, but, since one can't predict

exactly what will happen in a given individual, one has to go with the odds.

In general terms, some drugs are more effective than others, some drugs are

safer than others, and some drugs have a higher effectiveness to toxicity

ratio than others.

Public Citizen argues very persuasively that Arava is no more effective than

methotrexate, but is more toxic. And, because Arava is fairly new, the full

spectrum of side effects related to Arava won't be known for a few years.

Trials only tell part of the story. The " real world " provides the best

information about side effects. Unfortunately, our reporting system is

terrible and voluntary, so it can take years before we fully understand what

a drug commonly can do - good or bad.

For example, one of our member's cholesterol rose after beginning Arava. Her

doctor claimed that Arava CAN'T do that! Other people reported new

peripheral neuropathy, but their physicians weren't sure if Arava was the

cause. Case reports related to both of these side effects are in the

literature.

When people here started to use Celebrex, Vioxx, and Bextra, there were many

reports of new high blood pressure. Some doctors were skeptical that the

COX-2 inhibitors were responsible.

Methotrexate has been in use for RA since the 50s. Its side effect profile

is very well established. Again, we aren't very good at predicting who will

experience what, but we do know what to watch for.

I'm still astounded that doctors aren't performing a simple chest x-ray

before their patients begin either MTX or Arava, both of which can induce

pneumonitis. Physicians should also take care before prescribing these

agents to people who smoke or who have other lung disease.

A couple of good reasons to move up to Enbrel (or add it to your current

MTX) rather than over to Arava would be that Enbrel is likely to be more

effective than Arava and less likely to bother your stomach. Too, you may be

able to get off of the prednisone earlier. Of course, the insurance/cost

issue is a huge factor.

The best of luck with the Arava. Skipping the loading dose is a good idea if

you've had stomach issues all along. Please let us know how you are doing on

it.

Not an MD

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> Thanks for the input, Ebony. Stomach cramps and diarrhea are what

> put an end to Plaquenil for me. I just had another bout yesterday

> with the Actonel she just put me on because of the prednisone. I am

> NOT looking forward to another go-round of the same with the Arava.

> OTOH, maybe I'll get lucky, and it won't give me that set of side

> effects. It just seems that's the way my body is reacting to a lot

> of things these days!

I didn't have any side effects at all with Arava, although it didn't

work for me...

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So I guess all you can do is keep playing Russian

> Roulette until you find something that works without killing you

> first.<g>

Haha! In a 'this disease is so not funny it's almost funny' way :)

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> Ambien has a new sleeping pill that is supposed to be time-released.

> It's called Ambien CR or something like that.

You know, I've tried Ambien (no good) but not the CR, that's a good

thing to ask for next time, thx...

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