Hygeia

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I want to hear more about the screeching sound someone mentioned. I have limited experience, never any complaints about the Hygeia pumps.  Tell me more.And who knows more about Lucina?  I feel *totally* out of the loop on that one!

Wagner-, MS, MFT, IBCLCRoseville, CA

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Found this website on Lucina:

http://www.lucinacare.com/

I'd love to know more about them...

At 12:54 PM 1/8/2011, you wrote:

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>I want to hear more about the screeching sound someone mentioned. I

>have limited experience, never any complaints about the Hygeia

>pumps. Tell me more.

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>And who knows more about Lucina? I feel *totally* out of the loop

>on that one!

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> Wagner-, MS, MFT, IBCLC

>Roseville, CA

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Lucinacare is due to come out with a new pump this month. It is based on negative pressure technology. ( a wound care pump) weighs one pound. Downloads programs.I cant wait. You can see it at Lucinacare.com. It was supposed to come out in 2010. It's called the Melody.

To: From: mwdlll07@...Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 09:54:36 -0800Subject: re: Hygeia

I want to hear more about the screeching sound someone mentioned. I have limited experience, never any complaints about the Hygeia pumps. Tell me more.And who knows more about Lucina? I feel *totally* out of the loop on that one! Wagner-, MS, MFT, IBCLCRoseville, CA

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My browser says it can't connect to this website. Not when I click on this, not when I hit a Google result, and not when I find it in Bing.

Dee KassingFound this website on Lucina:http://www.lucinacare.com/I'd love to know more about them...

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That's really strange, Dee! It comes right up for me!

At 12:40 AM 1/9/2011, you wrote:

My browser says it can't connect to this website. Not when I click

on this, not when I hit a Google result, and not when I find it in

Bing.

Dee Kassing

Found this website on Lucina:

http://www.lucinacare.com/

I'd love to know more about them...

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I have heard from several mothers who rented Hygiea pumps (from another rental station, I don't carry them because I just don't trust them yet) that the pump would work well for about two weeks and then suddenly start making horrid, *very* loud screeching noises that would wake the baby who wasn't even in the same room. Then when the screeching finally stopped, they couldn't get any milk out at all. I'm not clear if the pump didn't work at all, or if it acted like it was working but did not produce any suction after the screeching episode. The first time I heard that story was many months ago, maybe a year (?), and I had heard through the grapevine that the company figured out the problem and fixed it. But then I heard the same story from another mother just a few weeks ago, so I know it's still a recent problem, not a re-hashing of

someone's "old" story. The mothers in question came to me to rent a different pump because they were so angry about the Hygiea that they didn't want to rent anything else from the place where they got the Hygiea, even though I know at least one of those places also rents Medela pumps. It's hard enough to make any money doing LC work without the equipment chasing away clients.

Dee Kassing

I want to hear more about the screeching sound someone mentioned. I have limited experience, never any complaints about the Hygeia pumps. Tell me more. Wagner-, MS, MFT, IBCLC

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wow...never heard this complaint. scary! Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comBreastfeeding Between the Lines: http://second9months.wordpress.com/--- Subject: Re: re: HygeiaTo: Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 9:30

PM

I have heard from several mothers who rented Hygiea pumps (from another rental station, I don't carry them because I just don't trust them yet) that the pump would work well for about two weeks and then suddenly start making horrid, *very* loud screeching noises that would wake the baby who wasn't even in the same room. Then when the screeching finally stopped, they couldn't get any milk out at all. I'm not clear if the pump didn't work at all, or if it acted like it was working but did not produce any suction after the screeching episode. The first time I heard that story was many months ago, maybe a year (?), and I had heard through the grapevine that the company figured out the problem and fixed it. But then I heard the same story from another mother just a few weeks ago, so I know it's still a recent problem, not a

re-hashing of

someone's "old" story. The mothers in question came to me to rent a different pump because they were so angry about the Hygiea that they didn't want to rent anything else from the place where they got the Hygiea, even though I know at least one of those places also rents Medela pumps. It's hard enough to make any money doing LC work without the equipment chasing away clients.

Dee Kassing

I want to hear more about the screeching sound someone mentioned. I have limited experience, never any complaints about the Hygeia pumps. Tell me more. Wagner-, MS, MFT, IBCLC

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This worries me, too. I've just written to the Hygeia

representative to ask what she knows about it. I'll be interested

in her answer and will let you know what she says.

At 12:37 AM 1/10/2011, you wrote:

wow...never heard this complaint. scary!

Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC

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I " m interested too since the entire MA WIC program contracted with them on my suggestion.We've all had the pumps a year with few if any complaints and the complaints we have gottenhave been resolved with correct education.  One thing is for sure ALL pump parts MUST be dry before pumping for the pump to function correctly. I think it is a wonderful pump and my DIL with major milk supply issues liked it better than the symphony I rented for her.  That was interesting because I certainly didn't expect that.

Ilene

 

This worries me, too.  I've just written to the Hygeia

representative to ask what she knows about it.  I'll be interested

in her answer and will let you know what she says.

At 12:37 AM 1/10/2011, you wrote:

 

wow...never heard this complaint.  scary!

Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC

-- Ilene Fabisch, Brockton, MA " Each day is a blank canvas waiting for our unique brushstrokes to create a masterpiece. "

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I just checked with the WIC Bf Coordinator in IN. They use Hygiea pumps almost exclusively, and said they have not had any of the screeching problems that Dee described. In the beginning (a couple of years ago), they had some pumps that didn't have adequate suction, but those were replaced, and since then, they haven't had any issues.

I wonder, Dee, if you just happened to get a couple of bad outliers -- but that this isn't a problem overall with the product.

Jan

I met with the man developing Lunicare back when it was in the process of going from prototype to pump. Next week I am meeting to look at the final product. I will let you know more about it then.

Pam MazzellaDiBosco

PS Ana, want to come with me? I told her I would invite you too.

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I met with the man developing Lunicare back when it was in the process of going from prototype to pump.  Next week I am meeting to look at the final product.  I will let you know more about it then.

Pam MazzellaDiBosco

 

PS  Ana, want to come with me? I told her I would invite you too.

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I've been emailing with the Hygeia saleswoman for my region and she

seemed very surprised to hear of the screeching problem, saying she had

never heard of it before and all problems like that get reported to the

salespeople. She also said, " I've forwarded your email to

and the Quality team so we'll get scoop if there is / was a

product issue. I would never risk your reputation or my own (or a

mother's milk supply, bfg success) if there were a known problem with the

pumps. Don't worry; we'll do all possible to investigate. Will get back

asap. "

I feel somewhat reassured and will keep you all posted as I learn

more.

At 07:58 PM 1/10/2011, ibclc@... wrote:

I just checked with the WIC Bf Coordinator in

IN. They use Hygiea pumps almost exclusively, and said they have

not had any of the screeching problems that Dee described. In the

beginning (a couple of years ago), they had some pumps that didn't have

adequate suction, but those were replaced, and since then, they haven't

had any issues.

I wonder, Dee, if you just happened to get a couple of bad outliers --

but that this isn't a problem overall with the product.

Jan

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,I have never heard of that problem with the Hygeia pump either.  Shari

 

I've been emailing with the Hygeia saleswoman for my region and she

seemed very surprised to hear of the screeching problem, saying she had

never heard of it before and all problems like that get reported to the

salespeople.  She also said, " I've forwarded your email to

and the Quality team so we'll get scoop if there is / was a

product issue. I would never risk your reputation or my own (or a

mother's milk supply, bfg success) if there were a known problem with the

pumps. Don't worry; we'll do all possible to investigate. Will get back

asap. "  

I feel somewhat reassured and will keep you all posted as I learn

more.

At 07:58 PM 1/10/2011, ibclc@... wrote:

 

I just checked with the WIC Bf Coordinator in

IN.  They use Hygiea pumps almost exclusively, and said they have

not had any of the screeching problems that Dee described.  In the

beginning (a couple of years ago), they had some pumps that didn't have

adequate suction, but those were replaced, and since then, they haven't

had any issues. 

 

I wonder, Dee, if you just happened to get a couple of bad outliers --

but that this isn't a problem overall with the product.

 

Jan

-- ~~~~~~~~~~ Shari Silady ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Mothers have as powerful an influence over the welfare of future generations as all other earthly causes combined. "

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Well, the "bad outliers" is a possibility, but if it's so rare, how did we get lucky enough to have several in one metropolitan area?

Dee KassingI just checked with the WIC Bf Coordinator in IN. They use Hygiea pumps almost exclusively, and said they have not had any of the screeching problems that Dee described. In the beginning (a couple of years ago), they had some pumps that didn't have adequate suction, but those were replaced, and since then, they haven't had any issues.

I wonder, Dee, if you just happened to get a couple of bad outliers -- but that this isn't a problem overall with the product.

Jan

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I don't have an answer for that, unfortunately, except to think that perhaps they were all in one batch that we manufactured at the same time and all shipped to your area....????

Jan

Well, the "bad outliers" is a possibility, but if it's so rare, how did we get lucky enough to have several in one metropolitan area?

Dee KassingI just checked with the WIC Bf Coordinator in IN. They use Hygiea pumps almost exclusively, and said they have not had any of the screeching problems that Dee described. In the beginning (a couple of years ago), they had some pumps that didn't have adequate suction, but those were replaced, and since then, they haven't had any issues.

I wonder, Dee, if you just happened to get a couple of bad outliers -- but that this isn't a problem overall with the product.

Jan

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Hi All,Medela has always been a $1500 buy in.  A lot of bull if you ask me.  They built their business on the back of PPLC's and then tossed them to the curb when they got too full of themselves.Hygeia pumps rock.  You can use Medela parts on them if you need to.  The company is fabulous to work with - very responsive to moms and to US LC's.  I have 3 EnDeare pumps and cannot keep them in - they are always out or at least are not in for long.  I am not losing money on them by any means.  In fact, once we get settled in our new home (moving -again - Thanksgiving week) I will bring in a couple more. 

The EnJoye is fabulous.  I have had one for 3 yrs now that I use for trials.  Mom buys a kit and borrows the pump free of charge for a week.  If she likes it - she buys one from me and keeps the loaner until hers comes in.  If she doesn't like it - she is only out $35...  I have only had 2 decide not to buy - and NOT because they didn't like the pump!   

As far as Medela being entrenched - sure they are,  But if we as the professionals don't start educating the moms on what pumps are available and why WE prefer this one over that one then how will they know the difference?  They don't know that the PIS only has 200 - 300 hours of motor life.  Most have no clue about the recalls on the PIS, they don't know that the Freestyle and Swing are basically expensive pumps that have a very limited life...  They don't know that Medela changed the way they made the motors and now, the best PIS pumps are the ones that are still working after 10 yrs...go figure.  

I will tell you this though:  The more I am honest about the pumps and the companies, the more moms are looking for other options - they more they are checking out the Hygeia...    Warmly,JayeA Proud Hygeia Retailer...

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I could not have said it better. To: From: IBCLC@...Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 07:29:51 -0800Subject: Re: Hygeia

Hi All,Medela has always been a $1500 buy in. A lot of bull if you ask me. They built their business on the back of PPLC's and then tossed them to the curb when they got too full of themselves.Hygeia pumps rock. You can use Medela parts on them if you need to. The company is fabulous to work with - very responsive to moms and to US LC's. I have 3 EnDeare pumps and cannot keep them in - they are always out or at least are not in for long. I am not losing money on them by any means. In fact, once we get settled in our new home (moving -again - Thanksgiving week) I will bring in a couple more.

The EnJoye is fabulous. I have had one for 3 yrs now that I use for trials. Mom buys a kit and borrows the pump free of charge for a week. If she likes it - she buys one from me and keeps the loaner until hers comes in. If she doesn't like it - she is only out $35... I have only had 2 decide not to buy - and NOT because they didn't like the pump!

As far as Medela being entrenched - sure they are, But if we as the professionals don't start educating the moms on what pumps are available and why WE prefer this one over that one then how will they know the difference? They don't know that the PIS only has 200 - 300 hours of motor life. Most have no clue about the recalls on the PIS, they don't know that the Freestyle and Swing are basically expensive pumps that have a very limited life... They don't know that Medela changed the way they made the motors and now, the best PIS pumps are the ones that are still working after 10 yrs...go figure.

I will tell you this though: The more I am honest about the pumps and the companies, the more moms are looking for other options - they more they are checking out the Hygeia... Warmly,JayeA Proud Hygeia Retailer...

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Jaye: " PIS only has 200 - 300 hours of motor life " is this in Medela's literature or your personal observation or ????

Thanks,

LLLL IBCLC Los Angeles

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I've always heard the PIS is only rated for one year of use. And I've known a few moms who have had them die after only a few months. So if a mom is looking to buy something like the PIS I usually will suggest she look at other pumps. Sent via BlackBerry from T-MobileSender: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:16:25 -0800To: < >ReplyTo: Subject: Re: Re: HygeiaJaye: " PIS only has 200 - 300 hours of motor life " is this in Medela's literature or your personal observation or ????Thanks, LLLL IBCLC Los Angeles

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Thanks for the info, Jaye. We are considering Hygeia when we are ready to plunge

in to that aspect of business.

I personally used a PIS with all 5 of my babies, never had a problem with it,

and it is 11 years old. I am assuming it has been in the last few years that

their quality has declined?

Misti , BSN, RN, CCE, IBCLC, RLC

Bay Area Breastfeeding & Education, LLC

www.bayareabreastfeeding.net

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Yes, Misti.

In Jan. 2009, Medela started making the PNS with a 9 volt motor instead of a 12 volt motor. Since then, I have had a lot more mothers complaining that the PNS is painful to use (even with correct size flanges) and/or doesn't keep the milk supply up well.

Dee Kassing

Thanks for the info, Jaye. We are considering Hygeia when we are ready to plunge in to that aspect of business.I personally used a PIS with all 5 of my babies, never had a problem with it, and it is 11 years old. I am assuming it has been in the last few years that their quality has declined?Misti , BSN, RN, CCE, IBCLC, RLC Bay Area Breastfeeding & Education, LLCwww.bayareabreastfeeding.netSent from my iPad

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That is unfortunate. Between the two of us, Leah and I have 3 PNSs. It's

terrible we can't repurpose these.

For those of you who rent pumps, do you buy the hospital grade pumps or lease

them?

Thanks,

Misti

Sent from my iPad

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I rent hospital grade Hygeia EnDeares although I have to say I have three rentals sitting here that I am renting from Hygeia but can't seem to rent them to patients. Arg. The last two clients that called me for rentals called back saying that their insurance will cover a purchase so they opt to go to Babies R Us to purchase the PIS. Dana Dana Schmidt, BS, RN, IBCLCCradlehold, DirectorBreastfeeding Education & Supportwww.cradlehold.nethttp://breastfeedinghomevisitservices.weebly.com/shop.htmlProviding the minimum amount of intervention for the minimum amount of time for maximum benefit to mother and babyTo: " " < >Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:05 AMSubject: Re: Hygeia

That is unfortunate. Between the two of us, Leah and I have 3 PNSs. It's terrible we can't repurpose these.

For those of you who rent pumps, do you buy the hospital grade pumps or lease them?

Thanks,

Misti

Sent from my iPad

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I have purchased my rentals. it's cheaper in the long run. Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comwww.facebook.com/thesecond9months.--- Subject: Re: Re: HygeiaTo: " "

< >Date: Saturday, November 12, 2011, 7:10 AM

I rent hospital grade Hygeia EnDeares although I have to say I have three rentals sitting here that I am renting from Hygeia but can't seem to rent them to patients. Arg. The last two clients that called me for rentals called back saying that their insurance will cover a purchase so they opt to go to Babies R Us to purchase the PIS. Dana Dana Schmidt, BS, RN, IBCLCCradlehold, DirectorBreastfeeding Education & Supportwww.cradlehold.nethttp://breastfeedinghomevisitservices.weebly.com/shop.htmlProviding the minimum amount of intervention for the minimum amount of time for maximum benefit to mother and babyTo: " " < >Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:05 AMSubject: Re: Hygeia

That is unfortunate. Between the two of us, Leah and I have 3 PNSs. It's terrible we can't repurpose these.

For those of you who rent pumps, do you buy the hospital grade pumps or lease them?

Thanks,

Misti

Sent from my iPad

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I lease hospital-grade pumps from Medela. I pay the monthly loss and damage waiver. I have had 5 of these stolen over the past 16 years, and since I had the waiver, it was Medela's headache to collect on them. (Though I was out the rent that should have been paid to me by the renter.) But at least I wasn't out the cost of every one of those pumps!

And when pumps break, as they sometimes do, I don't have to find someone who can fix them, since I don't own them. I just ship them back to Medela. It's my cost to ship them, but that's a heck of a lot cheaper and less trouble than finding someone to fix them here. Over the past 16 years, the market on pumps has gone up and down. When it's down, I just ship some of them back to Medela so I stop paying monthly rent on them. When it's up, I order more again. If I had bought them all, they would all be sitting here collecting dust during the down times.

Dee Kassing

Subject: Re: HygeiaTo: " " < >Date: Saturday, November 12, 2011, 9:05 AM

That is unfortunate. Between the two of us, Leah and I have 3 PNSs. It's terrible we can't repurpose these.For those of you who rent pumps, do you buy the hospital grade pumps or lease them?Thanks,MistiSent from my iPad