Re: Things that work and things that don't

[Guest guest]

I am sure you all know this, but if not DO NOT EAT OR

DRINK GRAPEFRUIT AT ALL if you take benzodiazepines!

Xanax, valium, ativan, klonipin--just to name a few.

VERY DANGEROUS!!!

lisa

--- bilgin218 wrote:

> I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me

> very strong

> sensations in the testicles and very strong libido

> right after that.

> Don't even need cialis for erections when on

> r.rosea. Only if this

> improvement was persistent! Yet, it is not so bad: I

> have precum! I

> have completely forgotten about it, even that it

> exists. I wouldn't

> call it libido, because I dont feel horny, but the

> erotic images

> flushing in front of my eyes are continued. I've

> been taking it with

> high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice),

> which just contributed

> to the effects.

> Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for

> life. So rhodiola

> definitely works.

>

> Things that dont work are (of course speaking for

> myself): Rutin,

> Pycnogenol, grape seed, piracetam.

>

> Pomegranate on the other hand just KILLS any

> possible erection or

> libido, even for several days. I've observed it

> various times.

> Possible explanation: high antioxidant activity and

> NO is a free

> radical!

>

> I also want to comment onto the infamous trio:

> Viagra, Levitra and

> Cialis. Following Vornan's suggestion Cialis just

> works great, taken

> at small amounts, once I get used to it, the

> annoying side effects

> disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal

> side effects on 10

> mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is

> the headache and

> anxiety it brings.

>

> Hopefully I am not alone with my observations,

> Cheers.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Interesting results. Congratulations. Thanks for your important

information. I think that natural aphrodisiacs will be very important

in the treatment of PSSD symptoms, till more basic research is being

done for the exact mechanism of PSSD.

Maybe you want to give some more details? How many mg of rhodeola

rosea extract did you use per day and from which brand? And after how

many days of this rhodiola use did you experience this strong positive

sexual effect?

And (perhaps you know) was this rhodiola extract made from the root,

stem, flower, seed or leaf of this plant?

Roughly estimated how many grams (or millilitres) of fresh grapefruit

did you use together with this Rhodiola per day? I roughly estimate

that one average peeled grapefruit is about 250 grams.

Is this combination of Rhodiola and grapefruit based on external

information on the internet or on some theory of yours? Or was it just

a coincidence?

For what specific sexual problems did Cialis, Levitra and Viagra help?

For erection problems or genital numbness and / or other sexual symptoms?

How long ago was the SSRI treatment ended?

>

> I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me very strong

> sensations in the testicles and very strong libido right after that.

> Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea. (...) I've

been taking it with

> high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which just contributed

> to the effects.

> Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for life. So rhodiola

> definitely works. (...)

Cialis just works great, taken

> at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying side effects

> disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side effects on 10

> mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is the headache and

> anxiety it brings.

[Guest guest]

It's my second time on rhodiola, this time i just was trying to

overcome stress. In the morning i took the rhodiola, and afternoon

drank about 1L of grapfruit juice. About evening i had this

electricity in my testicles, with increasing strength. And when i was

in bed, i couldnt take off my thoughts of sex, and eventually i had

to masturbate, the sensitvity, the pleasure, it was very nice. Not to

lose any of the effect i continued this regime for the next days, 1

capsule, 1L or 4 5 grapefruits a day, and the electric waves coming

pretty much every day, but not so strong either. The erection was

good though. I used Horny Goat Weed in the meanwhile, not sure about

any improvement but it certainly didnt hurt.

As mentioned, it was my second time on it. May be its beacuse of the

grapefruit, or just coincidence, though rhodiola is supposed to boost

serotonin, dopamine, norepinerphine.

I would say it should be taken over day or not longer than four days

in a row. though its possitive efeccts remain under these conditions,

some effects from tha past SSRI days do emerge: no appetite, no

interest in things. But also, the longer i use it, the more past

memories do arise, from times before depression or prozac.

contradicting, i am aware.

It's been 9 months since I went cold turkey off prozac, tried various

things, but not much helped me with libido, though ginkgo was helpful

for erections. bupropion was good the first day, but terrible at the

days coming after. viagra and levitra help with the erections, but

cialis does more i BELIEVE. but i take cialis usually in the morning

so that might be the reason, or just placebo, not sure.

Anyways, i'd say cialis 1-2 mg/day, rhodiola and grapefruit just does

good and hopefully not only for me.

> >

> > I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me very strong

> > sensations in the testicles and very strong libido right after

that.

> > Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea. (...) I've

> been taking it with

> > high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which just

contributed

> > to the effects.

> > Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for life. So

rhodiola

> > definitely works. (...)

>

> Cialis just works great, taken

> > at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying side effects

> > disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side effects on

10

> > mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is the headache

and

> > anxiety it brings.

>

[Guest guest]

Great story! Thanks Bilgin.

[Guest guest]

this also happens to me, i describe it like an electrical tingling

sensation that goes into the testicles. it started just after i

started to take zinc,it comes in waves with increaced frequency and

intensity.

one wave will trigger another and so on, its weired!

its kind of like when your over whelmed with an emotion and you get

goose pimples down your back, when this happens i can sometimes feel

erections starting and stopping and so on and so on. its like im

being aroused but not from my thoughts... it freaks me out!

> > >

> > > I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me very strong

> > > sensations in the testicles and very strong libido right after

> that.

> > > Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea. (...) I've

> > been taking it with

> > > high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which just

> contributed

> > > to the effects.

> > > Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for life. So

> rhodiola

> > > definitely works. (...)

> >

> > Cialis just works great, taken

> > > at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying side

effects

> > > disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side effects

on

> 10

> > > mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is the

headache

> and

> > > anxiety it brings.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow zinc didnt do that to me!

How much are you taking? RDA seems to be 15-20mg, and i take 15 mg

zinc picolinate but nothing happens.

> > > >

> > > > I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me very strong

> > > > sensations in the testicles and very strong libido right after

> > that.

> > > > Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea. (...) I've

> > > been taking it with

> > > > high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which just

> > contributed

> > > > to the effects.

> > > > Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for life. So

> > rhodiola

> > > > definitely works. (...)

> > >

> > > Cialis just works great, taken

> > > > at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying side

> effects

> > > > disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side effects

> on

> > 10

> > > > mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is the

> headache

> > and

> > > > anxiety it brings.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

well i started taking 20mg lozenge and about 15mg tablet, do a zinc

taste test before you try a high zinc supplement! and remember to

take appropriate amounts of copper.

yesterday i moved onto supplementing with 50mg zinc and also started

carnosine 50mg, in the morning i did a really strong coffee enema 3

after one another. it made me wired all day!

it kept me awake well after the time i should have gone to bed like i

was on a pill or speed.

i got into bed and just watched tv, i didn't feel sexual one single

bit, in fact at the time i was thinking there's no way i could

possibly be stimulated to have sex in that present state.

it actually felt like my dopamine was so constantly high that it

couldnt get any higher. euphoric sort of feeling!

i turned over the tv and something erotic was on i thought fuck it

ill watch it, i started to get an erection! i felt down below and it

was throbbing hard. and i wasn't even thinking about what i was being

turned on by!

it was tepting to masturbate! but i refrained from it thinking it

could be sexuall energy building up so i wanted to save it.

i turned over the tv and stargate was on (the movie) i started to

watch it and my erection went down.

after a while i was tempted to turn the tv over and see if the same

erotic thing was on so i did and it was.

i got an erection again instantly, its given me some confidence today

thats lasted.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me very

strong

> > > > > sensations in the testicles and very strong libido right

after

> > > that.

> > > > > Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea. (...)

I've

> > > > been taking it with

> > > > > high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which just

> > > contributed

> > > > > to the effects.

> > > > > Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for life.

So

> > > rhodiola

> > > > > definitely works. (...)

> > > >

> > > > Cialis just works great, taken

> > > > > at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying side

> > effects

> > > > > disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side

effects

> > on

> > > 10

> > > > > mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is the

> > headache

> > > and

> > > > > anxiety it brings.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Good results!

How about semen volume? I feel it's increased, i mean more liquid but

not necesseraily more sperm. Maybe related to the sensation in the

testicles.

According to http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/zinc-000344.htm

50mg/day shouldn't be overdosed and zinc:copper ratio is 2:1, damn

these numbers change..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me very

> strong

> > > > > > sensations in the testicles and very strong libido right

> after

> > > > that.

> > > > > > Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea.

(...)

> I've

> > > > > been taking it with

> > > > > > high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which

just

> > > > contributed

> > > > > > to the effects.

> > > > > > Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for life.

> So

> > > > rhodiola

> > > > > > definitely works. (...)

> > > > >

> > > > > Cialis just works great, taken

> > > > > > at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying

side

> > > effects

> > > > > > disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side

> effects

> > > on

> > > > 10

> > > > > > mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is the

> > > headache

> > > > and

> > > > > > anxiety it brings.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

im taking 5mg copper with 50mg zinc in seperate doses and thats fine,

sometimes i do it on seperart days.

semen volume has increased but ive been taking glutamic acid, alanine

and glycine, this really helps!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me

very

> > strong

> > > > > > > sensations in the testicles and very strong libido

right

> > after

> > > > > that.

> > > > > > > Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea.

> (...)

> > I've

> > > > > > been taking it with

> > > > > > > high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which

> just

> > > > > contributed

> > > > > > > to the effects.

> > > > > > > Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for

life.

> > So

> > > > > rhodiola

> > > > > > > definitely works. (...)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cialis just works great, taken

> > > > > > > at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying

> side

> > > > effects

> > > > > > > disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side

> > effects

> > > > on

> > > > > 10

> > > > > > > mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is

the

> > > > headache

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > anxiety it brings.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

do you think the positive effect you experienced has something to do

with the stress fighting ability of rhodiola?

its known as an adaptogen, this link shows more herbs that have this

ability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptogen

also did you know that grapefruit juice slows down phase one liver

detoxification pathways? this sounds bad and it is if your taking

pharmaceuticals, but if your not its good if you have a reduction of

phase two detoxification enzymes (like in gilberts syndrome, do you

have gilberts syndrome by the way??) it gives phase two a chance to

detoxify the harmful metabolites that have built up before others are

able to be made, this will reduce many harmful substances that have

built up in your body. some amino acids will also speed up phase two

detoxification sam'e is one of them also methionine.

i remeber shay saying something about methionine & methylation, i

think about something to do with hormones, i hope he butts in here

and tells us again!!!

> > >

> > > I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me very strong

> > > sensations in the testicles and very strong libido right after

> that.

> > > Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea. (...) I've

> > been taking it with

> > > high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which just

> contributed

> > > to the effects.

> > > Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for life. So

> rhodiola

> > > definitely works. (...)

> >

> > Cialis just works great, taken

> > > at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying side

effects

> > > disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side effects

on

> 10

> > > mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is the

headache

> and

> > > anxiety it brings.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There sholud be a link to it. The strange thing is that rhodila has

very divert effects each day, one day i would have the moods, and the

next day i'm just anhedonic. the sensation in the testicles remains

though, along with erections. Maybe i am adding all that happens to

it.

Ginseng also is accounted as adaptogen but it only helps for erection

strength, not more. (Same for ginkgo)

In my observation, there are things that certainly block libido/

erection and there are other things which help. I am adding Spirulina

to the banned list, it inhibited 10mg of Cialis! I hate it when this

happens, when strong stuff like viagra or cialis wouldn't work. I

think Mianserin is another case of Wellbutrin, for some people it

works, for me it makes it all worse, no interest in sex.

I don't know if i have gilbert's syndrome. My parents also used

Prozac and suffered from the side effects, but for them it never was

persistent. Just following the inheritence logic for the syndrome..

About grapferuit i know it inhibits P450 and hence some medicine

becomes more effective(increased bioavailabilty), good point is that

this holds also for sildenafil(from Pubmed).

I redid my google search on rhodiola and found some good links below.

In 293.pdf serotonin dopamine and NE levels are observed to be

changed differently in the brain and hypothalamus. It is also used

for male infertilty. After a while one comes to see some links to

Reward Deficiency Syndrome and alcholism, but we are not carving for

anything, right? Anyway, http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pubmed:17467918 is

interesting enough in the domain dopamine releasers.

I think the theory of Sustained Desensitization of 5HT receptors is

valid, the article on wikipedia PSSD page is dated 1998. One of the

criteria is oxytocin, fair enough to explain my inability to fall in

love.

In previous threads Mike also mentioned that rhodiola wokrs (Rhodiola

rosea topic). He was also taking ALCAR and piracetam and much more, i

want to hope why he hasn't written since then is that he's recovered

somehow.

http://www.rhodiolarosea.com/Rhodiola_Rosea_Articles.html

http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Rhodiola+rosea

http://content.herbalgram.org/abc/herbalgram/articleview.asp?a=2333

http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/6/3/293.pdf

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/113444275/

ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1 & SRETRY=0

more DETAILS

http://lib.bioinfo.pl/auid:5121177

http://www.imminst.org/forum/

index.php?showtopic=18157 & pid=201148 & mode=threaded & start=

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

17579498?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pub\

med_RVAbstractPlus

> > > >

> > > > I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me very

strong

> > > > sensations in the testicles and very strong libido right

after

> > that.

> > > > Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea. (...)

I've

> > > been taking it with

> > > > high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which just

> > contributed

> > > > to the effects.

> > > > Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for life. So

> > rhodiola

> > > > definitely works. (...)

> > >

> > > Cialis just works great, taken

> > > > at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying side

> effects

> > > > disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side

effects

> on

> > 10

> > > > mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is the

> headache

> > and

> > > > anxiety it brings.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

so have you ever had a blood test after puberty or for pssd?

> > > > >

> > > > > I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me very

> strong

> > > > > sensations in the testicles and very strong libido right

> after

> > > that.

> > > > > Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea. (...)

> I've

> > > > been taking it with

> > > > > high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which just

> > > contributed

> > > > > to the effects.

> > > > > Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for life.

So

> > > rhodiola

> > > > > definitely works. (...)

> > > >

> > > > Cialis just works great, taken

> > > > > at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying side

> > effects

> > > > > disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side

> effects

> > on

> > > 10

> > > > > mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is the

> > headache

> > > and

> > > > > anxiety it brings.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Simple blood test, my urologist was suspecting diabetis type2, but no

bilirubin tested. HDL,LDL_C, trigliserid all in perfect range.

Prolactin, FSH, LH, Free T all within range values. just the T a bit

out of bounds.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me very

> > strong

> > > > > > sensations in the testicles and very strong libido right

> > after

> > > > that.

> > > > > > Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea. (...)

> > I've

> > > > > been taking it with

> > > > > > high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which just

> > > > contributed

> > > > > > to the effects.

> > > > > > Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for life.

> So

> > > > rhodiola

> > > > > > definitely works. (...)

> > > > >

> > > > > Cialis just works great, taken

> > > > > > at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying side

> > > effects

> > > > > > disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side

> > effects

> > > on

> > > > 10

> > > > > > mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is the

> > > headache

> > > > and

> > > > > > anxiety it brings.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

i think there's a possibility it would have been picked up on during

those tests, i could be wrong though.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me

very

> > > strong

> > > > > > > sensations in the testicles and very strong libido

right

> > > after

> > > > > that.

> > > > > > > Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea.

(...)

> > > I've

> > > > > > been taking it with

> > > > > > > high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which

just

> > > > > contributed

> > > > > > > to the effects.

> > > > > > > Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for

life.

> > So

> > > > > rhodiola

> > > > > > > definitely works. (...)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cialis just works great, taken

> > > > > > > at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying

side

> > > > effects

> > > > > > > disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side

> > > effects

> > > > on

> > > > > 10

> > > > > > > mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is

the

> > > > headache

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > anxiety it brings.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bilgin

You commented a while ago that u tried rhodiola. It resulted in you saying that

it gave you

precum, something that is non existant for me sometimes. I this still the case,

are u still

getting some precum and are u still taking rhodiola. How much did u take a day.

Many

Thanks

>

> I've been taking Rhodiola Rosea lately, it gives me very strong

> sensations in the testicles and very strong libido right after that.

> Don't even need cialis for erections when on r.rosea. Only if this

> improvement was persistent! Yet, it is not so bad: I have precum! I

> have completely forgotten about it, even that it exists. I wouldn't

> call it libido, because I dont feel horny, but the erotic images

> flushing in front of my eyes are continued. I've been taking it with

> high amount of grapefruit(or grapefruit juice), which just contributed

> to the effects.

> Along libido, I regain some tiny amount of lust for life. So rhodiola

> definitely works.

>

> Things that dont work are (of course speaking for myself): Rutin,

> Pycnogenol, grape seed, piracetam.

>

> Pomegranate on the other hand just KILLS any possible erection or

> libido, even for several days. I've observed it various times.

> Possible explanation: high antioxidant activity and NO is a free

> radical!

>

> I also want to comment onto the infamous trio: Viagra, Levitra and

> Cialis. Following Vornan's suggestion Cialis just works great, taken

> at small amounts, once I get used to it, the annoying side effects

> disappear. Levitra is next in turn, with minimal side effects on 10

> mg, but it's short ended. Viagra is strong but so is the headache and

> anxiety it brings.

>

> Hopefully I am not alone with my observations,

> Cheers.

>