Re: Symptoms aside from Sexual?

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Hey ,

I have posted on here recently about my non-sexual symptoms. They include: emotional deadness, spaciness, nerve pain, and tingling. I have no doubt that all of these symptoms were caused by the celexa. The non-sexual symptoms have hit me the hardest. Particularly the emotional deadness and the spaciness. Anyone who has PSSD has been terribly afflicted. However, if the condition is limited to one's sexuality, at least there are other aspects of life that one can focus on. Every aspect of my life has been altered and ruined by these poisons. My theory is that PSSD is a hypereaction to ssri's. The extent of one's hypereaction, is the extent of one's symptoms, both sexual and non-sexual.

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These symptoms could have a pure mental cause. And variations in time

of such problems is well possible.

> - I am ALWAYS sleepy

> - I am emotionally vacant

> - Lack of enthusiasm and motivation

> - Extremely low appetite, but no weight change

> - Oddly, my OCD for which this was originally given to treat has

> largely subsided.

>

[Guest guest]

All of those symptoms are known side effects of SSRIs. It could be

that they are persistent effects.

Vornan

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I think it's important that we eliminate anything aside from our

> medications as causative factors. I'm not saying they aren't

involved,

> but I'm not sure that they are singularly responsible for all of us.

>

> In my case, in addition to sexual apathy, I have the following

problems:

>

> - I am ALWAYS sleepy

> - I am emotionally vacant

> - Lack of enthusiasm and motivation

> - I have borderline low testosterone (sometimes just above, other

> times just below the " normal " range, but that's pretty crazy for a

> 23-year-old guy).

> - Questionable but not obviously bad thyroid measurements

> - Extremely low appetite, but no weight change

> - Oddly, my OCD for which this was originally given to treat has

> largely subsided.

>

> I ask because I am interested to know if I am the only one

> experiencing non-sexual effects. If I am, this would lead me to

> believe that perhaps there is more going on here than pure PSSD.

>

> Aside from the sexual side effects, all of these have been going on

> since I was on drugs for about 6 years. When I switched drugs about

a

> year and a half ago, the sexual effects came in. However, the time

> line is not 100% obvious and the decline may have been fairly

gradual.

> It's hard to say for sure.

>

> I am currently investigating sleep apnea as well as hypothyroidism

as

> possible causative factors. I will let you know if I end up

receiving

> a confirmation of and/or treatment of either condition.

>

> ~

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I think it's important that we eliminate anything aside from our

> medications as causative factors. I'm not saying they aren't

involved,

> but I'm not sure that they are singularly responsible for all of

us.

>

> In my case, in addition to sexual apathy, I have the following

problems:

>

> - I am ALWAYS sleepy

> - I am emotionally vacant

> - Lack of enthusiasm and motivation

> - I have borderline low testosterone (sometimes just above, other

> times just below the " normal " range, but that's pretty crazy for a

> 23-year-old guy).

> - Questionable but not obviously bad thyroid measurements

> - Extremely low appetite, but no weight change

> - Oddly, my OCD for which this was originally given to treat has

> largely subsided.

>

As a veteran sufferer of PSSD, I can assure you that you're not

alone in feeling emotionally blunt thanks to SSRI's. I believe this

problem is worse than my PSSD. How were we suppose to know that

these side effects persisted after termination of use of the drug?

[Guest guest]

I am really surprised at how thoroughly one medication, that works in regulating one neurotransmitter could have such extensive and deep consequences. Ever since going on and then off SSRI's my motivation has been nonexistent, my emotions have been flat, my short term memory has been atrocious, my mental facilities have been intolerably slow. I feel like I've lost all of my natural enthusiasm, I feel like I was raped of my humanity.There are time when going on seems pointless. When one has been so viciously purged of his humanity, really what is the point. The little joy I do experience does not justify the, constant, numbness I experience towards life. I am truly baffled as to how really dangerous this drug is, I have met hardcore drug addicts that aren't experiencing all this shit. This is a complete nightmare. I wish more people would notice us.--- On

Wed, 4/2/08, Varuna1907@... wrote:Subject: Re: Symptoms aside from Sexual?To: SSRIsex Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 10:00 PM

Hey ,

I have posted on here recently about my non-sexual symptoms. They include: emotional deadness, spaciness, nerve pain, and tingling. I have no doubt that all of these symptoms were caused by the celexa. The non-sexual symptoms have hit me the hardest. Particularly the emotional deadness and the spaciness. Anyone who has PSSD has been terribly afflicted. However, if the condition is limited to one's sexuality, at least there are other aspects of life that one can focus on. Every aspect of my life has been altered and ruined by these poisons. My theory is that PSSD is a hypereaction to ssri's. The extent of one's hypereaction, is the extent of one's symptoms, both sexual and non-sexual.

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, I've had most all of the same symptoms you describe since I stopped taking Lexapro. I haven't had my thyroid checked though. Testosterone is on the low side of normal, emotionally vacant, lack of motivation, not much appetite most of the time but no weight change and the depression I was treated for with Lexapro is gone. I can't even remember what it feels like to be depressed. I was more sleepy WHILE taking Lexapro though, I didn't need as much sleep after I stopped taking it. I've been taking a low dose of Zoloft (12.5 mg) and have noticed increased sexual desire and performance and some decrease of emotional vacancy but I'd have to say so far it's nowhere near a complete reversal to what I was like before Lexapro. Now since taking Zoloft though I feel the need to sleep more. Sounds like you and I (along with many others on here) have close to the same thing. Chrismrmanguy84 wrote: Hi everyone, I think it's important that we eliminate anything aside from ourmedications as causative factors. I'm not saying they aren't involved,but I'm not sure that they are singularly responsible for all of us.In my case, in addition to sexual apathy, I have the following problems:- I am ALWAYS sleepy- I am emotionally vacant- Lack of enthusiasm and motivation- I have borderline low testosterone (sometimes just

above, othertimes just below the "normal" range, but that's pretty crazy for a23-year-old guy).- Questionable but not obviously bad thyroid measurements- Extremely low appetite, but no weight change- Oddly, my OCD for which this was originally given to treat haslargely subsided.I ask because I am interested to know if I am the only oneexperiencing non-sexual effects. If I am, this would lead me tobelieve that perhaps there is more going on here than pure PSSD.Aside from the sexual side effects, all of these have been going onsince I was on drugs for about 6 years. When I switched drugs about ayear and a half ago, the sexual effects came in. However, the timeline is not 100% obvious and the decline may have been fairly gradual.It's hard to say for sure.I am currently investigating sleep apnea as well as hypothyroidism aspossible causative factors. I will let you know if I end up receivinga

confirmation of and/or treatment of either condition.~

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It's not the depression (or at least not the one prior to SSRI). I

remember how i used to feel while depressed; it was unbearable.

that feelng is gone now, as well as all that made me depressed.. but

my libido is not back.

there are some improvements though, like random flashbacks; unrelated

memories filling my mind for no appearent reason. these were absent

for almost a year.

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I think it's important that we eliminate anything aside from our

> > > medications as causative factors. I'm not saying they aren't

> > involved,

> > > but I'm not sure that they are singularly responsible for all of us.

> > >

> > > In my case, in addition to sexual apathy, I have the following

> > problems:

> > >

> > > - I am ALWAYS sleepy

> > > - I am emotionally vacant

> > > - Lack of enthusiasm and motivation

> > > - I have borderline low testosterone (sometimes just above, other

> > > times just below the " normal " range, but that's pretty crazy for a

> > > 23-year-old guy).

> > > - Questionable but not obviously bad thyroid measurements

> > > - Extremely low appetite, but no weight change

> > > - Oddly, my OCD for which this was originally given to treat has

> > > largely subsided.

> > >

> > > I ask because I am interested to know if I am the only one

> > > experiencing non-sexual effects. If I am, this would lead me to

> > > believe that perhaps there is more going on here than pure PSSD.

> > >

> > > Aside from the sexual side effects, all of these have been going on

> > > since I was on drugs for about 6 years. When I switched drugs about

> > a

> > > year and a half ago, the sexual effects came in. However, the time

> > > line is not 100% obvious and the decline may have been fairly

> > gradual.

> > > It's hard to say for sure.

> > >

> > > I am currently investigating sleep apnea as well as hypothyroidism

> > as

> > > possible causative factors. I will let you know if I end up

> > receiving

> > > a confirmation of and/or treatment of either condition.

> > >

> > > ~

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I think the post-SSRI " emotional vacancy " and lack of

enthusiasm for life are quite different to pre-treatment depression.

Though it is difficult to prove for obvious reasons. This all works

in favor of the pharmaceutical companies.

Vornan

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I think it's important that we eliminate anything aside from

our

> > > > medications as causative factors. I'm not saying they aren't

> > > involved,

> > > > but I'm not sure that they are singularly responsible for all

of us.

> > > >

> > > > In my case, in addition to sexual apathy, I have the

following

> > > problems:

> > > >

> > > > - I am ALWAYS sleepy

> > > > - I am emotionally vacant

> > > > - Lack of enthusiasm and motivation

> > > > - I have borderline low testosterone (sometimes just above,

other

> > > > times just below the " normal " range, but that's pretty crazy

for a

> > > > 23-year-old guy).

> > > > - Questionable but not obviously bad thyroid measurements

> > > > - Extremely low appetite, but no weight change

> > > > - Oddly, my OCD for which this was originally given to treat

has

> > > > largely subsided.

> > > >

> > > > I ask because I am interested to know if I am the only one

> > > > experiencing non-sexual effects. If I am, this would lead me

to

> > > > believe that perhaps there is more going on here than pure

PSSD.

> > > >

> > > > Aside from the sexual side effects, all of these have been

going on

> > > > since I was on drugs for about 6 years. When I switched drugs

about

> > > a

> > > > year and a half ago, the sexual effects came in. However, the

time

> > > > line is not 100% obvious and the decline may have been fairly

> > > gradual.

> > > > It's hard to say for sure.

> > > >

> > > > I am currently investigating sleep apnea as well as

hypothyroidism

> > > as

> > > > possible causative factors. I will let you know if I end up

> > > receiving

> > > > a confirmation of and/or treatment of either condition.

> > > >

> > > > ~

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I couldn't have said it better myself! I have thought the exact same thing about drug addicts! I know a guy at work who takes every illegal drug known to man, and yet he isn't asexual and emotionally dead! I always prided myself on the fact that I have never done illegal drugs, I never even smoked pot! I guess I should have smoked a blunt to calm my anxiety! As far as making ourselves heard, I mentioned PSSD to the neurologist that I went to see. When he left the room, I took a look at his notepad. He wrote PSSD with a question mark at the end. By letting medical professionals know about this, we can spread the word about the danger of these neurotoxins. Incidentally, my psychiatrist sent a letter to Park-, the makers of Celexa, letting them know my symptoms. I laughed in his face when he told me this, and I assured him that the Pharma Cartel was well aware of PSSD. He claimed that I was paranoid. I said that he was naive. He's the one who told me, with a look of genuine astonishment "but I don't understand, when the levels go down, you should return to normal." Now, I am no M.D., but I know enough to know that the human brain isn't a see-saw. You don't mess with the proper functioning of the human brain, and then expect there not to be serious consequences. One day all this will come out, and PSSD will be on the cover of Time or something. I warn everyone that I can, never to take these drugs. I don't want to see more lives destroyed.

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I agree with Vornan a hundred percent. When I first got PSSD, I felt terribly depressed, now, as my condition has worsened, I feel emotionally empty. To feel depressed is to feel sad, is to cry etc. To feel emotionally empty is to not be able to cry, to mourn etc. There is a big difference, in my opinion. No, we can't prove it in court, as mental states are deemed to be to subjective, but I think that we know our own hearts and souls. Before, mine was sad, now it's empty and vacant. I know the difference.

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Yes they are completely different. I am aware of the feeling I experienced while depressed, it just wasn't like this at all, I can see how people would want to think that it's all a reemergence of the condition, but it just isn't the case. Depression was more accompanied with a profound sadness and emotion for me. After ssri's I was left feeling empty, numb, unfeeling. I feel lost and detatched to this world having difficuly understanding and mastering the most basic occurences that go on. I feel like an alien. This is nothing like depression at all. Depression was a profound excess of negative emotion. This post ssri hell is a profound lack of everything. There is nothing, no desire, motivation, nothing. Subject: Re: Symptoms aside from Sexual?To: SSRIsex Date: Thursday, April 3, 2008, 6:19 PM

Yeah, I think the post-SSRI "emotional vacancy" and lack of

enthusiasm for life are quite different to pre-treatment depression.

Though it is difficult to prove for obvious reasons. This all works

in favor of the pharmaceutical companies.

Vornan

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I think it's important that we eliminate anything aside from

our

> > > > medications as causative factors. I'm not saying they aren't

> > > involved,

> > > > but I'm not sure that they are singularly responsible for all

of us.

> > > >

> > > > In my case, in addition to sexual apathy, I have the

following

> > > problems:

> > > >

> > > > - I am ALWAYS sleepy

> > > > - I am emotionally vacant

> > > > - Lack of enthusiasm and motivation

> > > > - I have borderline low testosterone (sometimes just above,

other

> > > > times just below the "normal" range, but that's pretty crazy

for a

> > > > 23-year-old guy).

> > > > - Questionable but not obviously bad thyroid measurements

> > > > - Extremely low appetite, but no weight change

> > > > - Oddly, my OCD for which this was originally given to treat

has

> > > > largely subsided.

> > > >

> > > > I ask because I am interested to know if I am the only one

> > > > experiencing non-sexual effects. If I am, this would lead me

to

> > > > believe that perhaps there is more going on here than pure

PSSD.

> > > >

> > > > Aside from the sexual side effects, all of these have been

going on

> > > > since I was on drugs for about 6 years. When I switched drugs

about

> > > a

> > > > year and a half ago, the sexual effects came in. However, the

time

> > > > line is not 100% obvious and the decline may have been fairly

> > > gradual.

> > > > It's hard to say for sure.

> > > >

> > > > I am currently investigating sleep apnea as well as

hypothyroidism

> > > as

> > > > possible causative factors. I will let you know if I end up

> > > receiving

> > > > a confirmation of and/or treatment of either condition.

> > > >

> > > > ~

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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> having difficuly understanding and mastering the most basic occurences that go

on.

I'm curious, what exactly do you mean by this? How does this manifest itself in

your daily

life?

[Guest guest]

Well I'm in school and I have trouble understanding certain directions, I'm often lost and confused in any situation that requires following steps. People will explain things to me, and I just won't grasp it. This hurts me socially, and when in school. I can't say this is something I struggled with much before going on ssri'sSubject: Re: Symptoms aside from Sexual?To: SSRIsex Date: Friday, April 4, 2008, 5:41 AM

> having difficuly understanding and mastering the most basic occurences that go on.

I'm curious, what exactly do you mean by this? How does this manifest itself in your daily

life?

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It seems like a disproportionate number of us went on

an antidepressant, came off it OK, then went on

another one and got the sexual dysfunction almost

immediately. I wonder the percentage of us that have

been on and off the ssri's and had this happen to

them?

for me it was paxil-off-ultracet(which has some SSRI

properties)

i hear celexa, paxil, prozac and lexapro a lot at this

forum.

lisa

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You guys could think outside the box and try something new to fix this,

such as yoga and bowen's therapy, which I have posted about a million

times, which obviously helped in my case to overcome the emotional

deadening and make the crying come back.

I'm back to looking forward to tomorrow and enjoying life, after being

dead/depressed/etc for more than a year. Don't even bother with the

above anymore, as I don't need it, but they still served their purpose

in the beginning. Taking specific vitamins and minerals, eating specific

foods to avoid sensitivities, and working on a couple of alternative

health things, such as foot detox pads, liver cleansing, parasite

cleansing, etc. Also getting ready to begin testosterone replacement

therapy.

Will fill in the details in the coming weeks. The contrast between me

now and last year when I began posting is huge.

Shay

Varuna1907@... wrote:

>

> I agree with Vornan a hundred percent. When I first got PSSD, I felt

> terribly depressed, now, as my condition has worsened, I feel

> emotionally empty. To feel depressed is to feel sad, is to cry etc. To

> feel emotionally empty is to not be able to cry, to mourn etc. There

> is a big difference, in my opinion. No, we can't prove it in court, as

> mental states are deemed to be to subjective, but I think that we know

> our own hearts and souls. Before, mine was sad, now it's empty and

> vacant. I know the difference.

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Shay -

How's the libido and overall sexual function?

Thanks

Luther

> >

> > I agree with Vornan a hundred percent. When I first got PSSD, I

felt

> > terribly depressed, now, as my condition has worsened, I feel

> > emotionally empty. To feel depressed is to feel sad, is to cry

etc. To

> > feel emotionally empty is to not be able to cry, to mourn etc.

There

> > is a big difference, in my opinion. No, we can't prove it in

court, as

> > mental states are deemed to be to subjective, but I think that we

know

> > our own hearts and souls. Before, mine was sad, now it's empty

and

> > vacant. I know the difference.

> >

>

>

> >

> >

> >

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These problems go away when taking cannbis tea before sleep. I assume

this is because cannibis activates the 5htr1a receptors and make you

feel more awake and aroused. I also had similar experiences whilst

taking a 5ht1a agonist antidepressant.

Likewise, cannibis gives you much better orgasms and a much higher

libido. The 5ht1a receptors help you to get better sleep as well.

I expect that the 5ht2 receptors are alos involved.

[Guest guest]

The appetite problems could also be caused by low dopamine, and low

grehlin. (This would be helped with cannibis).

The testosterone problems could be caused by low dopamine and high

serotonin I think. A lot of people oin the group seem to have problmes

with the pituary glands.

[Guest guest]

I was reading a few articles the other day. More and more academics and

researchers believe that the therapeutic effects of ssris are to

desnsitize 5ht1a receptors.

The 5ht1a receptors are really the ones that make you feel awake.

[Guest guest]

That the emotional bluntness I experienced from the SSRI's is much

worse than the sexual side effects, although I have both permanently.

My personality has done a 180. I use to be a very eccentric person and

now I am very stoic.

I wonder if the genital anesthesia could be the reason for my now

emotional bluntness.

[Guest guest]

> > - I am ALWAYS sleepy

> > - I am emotionally vacant

> > - Lack of enthusiasm and motivation

> > - Extremely low appetite, but no weight change

>

> > - Oddly, my OCD for which this was originally given to treat has

> > largely subsided.

> >

>

No, it's not a mental cause, it's a biological one. Many others as well

as myself have noticed this emotional blunting concurrent with the

sexual symptoms. PSSD isn't always limited to sexual symptoms, it can

be a multi-faceted disorder.

[Guest guest]

> Many others as well

> as myself have noticed this emotional blunting concurrent with the

> sexual symptoms. PSSD isn't always limited to sexual symptoms, it can

> be a multi-faceted disorder.

>

Maybe a new group should be started focusing on emotional bluntness or

we should rename this group.

[Guest guest]

Emotional bluntness is apart of pssd. It goes so deep for me that I

honestly don't think I'll ever be the same. How could you fix

something like this? Our brains have been rewired at a very deep

level, and aside from a few dedicated people no one is really

researching this shit.

>

> Maybe a new group should be started focusing on emotional bluntness or

> we should rename this group.

>

[Guest guest]

Why do you think that your emotional buntness is not caused by mental

factors? A romantic relationship, a good friendship, successful

activities, physical activity, or lowered ambitions might then be a

cure for emotional bluntness. And did you try cold showers, crying and

CBT?

>

> Emotional bluntness is apart of pssd. It goes so deep for me

[Guest guest]

Exactly

>

> I think you're missing the point. emotional bluntness makes it hard to

> enjoy friendship and successful activities. Everything feels the same.

>

> People told me that I was completely different went i came off zoloft,

> and i definitely felt a change.

>