Re: How can SSRIs effect Testosterone?

[Guest guest]

Since you mentioned Prozac explicitly, i wanted to give some info,

being a prozac victim myself.

Your question on different ssri's doesn't apply to me, i didn't take

any SSRI or antidepressant except prozac prior to PSSD.

I had Testosterone level above range, and normal Free Testosterone

level after withdrawal. My orgasms are much better since then,

erections are better but a way to weak without cialis. My libido is

enhanced, i.e. sexuality isn't repelling any more and even interesting

to some extend again.

Prozac made me lose weight, about 5kg's. I gained them after

withdrawal. On the other hand, wellbutrin did work only for 2 or 3

days, sexually. After that i was about losing my mind. Low dosages

don't do much also. Arginine was good for moods. but nothing has

sustained effect so far.

>

> I'm trying, as much as possible, to predict the likelihood of any drug

> I try to correct PSSD being successful.

>

> Some people have had success with some of the drugs I've tried -

> Wellbutrin, Requip, etc - but I have had zero luck with these

> particular drugs. So obviously there is more than one type of PSSD.

>

> I'm wondering - does anyone have normal Testosterone levels? Mine are

> low, and my symptoms correspond with this fact, but I still believe

> that Prozac was the cause, as this is the only viable explanation I

> can find for this.

>

> How could an SSRI have effected this particular function (most

> notably, so far as I can tell, the function of the pituitary)? Since I

> know this is part of my problem, are there any specific approaches you

> guys would recommend to reverse this problem through similar means?

>

> ~

>

> (Vornan, please delete the other message with a similar title and only

> one line. I accidentally posted it before finishing. Sorry.)

>

[Guest guest]

My free testosterone is very low but my total testosterone is normal and my hair

growth, voice, and teste size are all normal. Are all of these normal with you?

My main PSSD issues are decreased sensation and difficulty achieving/maintaining

erections, not decreased desire. For example, I will sometimes masturbate five

times in a day but every time it feels 'okay' and I get some kind of release but

not nearly as good as before the ssri. Also i have emotional numbness and

decreased motivation which could be from low testosterone but i think that has

more to do with the neurotransmitters getting messed up somehow. Tell me what

you think.

[Guest guest]

>hi i had taken ssri and my testosterone was normal prior to taking

it but now after 5 months of it my testosterone is very low too. can

i ask you what age group are you and what symtoms do you have now?

> I'm trying, as much as possible, to predict the likelihood of any

drug

> I try to correct PSSD being successful.

>

> Some people have had success with some of the drugs I've tried -

> Wellbutrin, Requip, etc - but I have had zero luck with these

> particular drugs. So obviously there is more than one type of PSSD.

>

> I'm wondering - does anyone have normal Testosterone levels? Mine

are

> low, and my symptoms correspond with this fact, but I still believe

> that Prozac was the cause, as this is the only viable explanation I

> can find for this.

>

> How could an SSRI have effected this particular function (most

> notably, so far as I can tell, the function of the pituitary)?

Since I

> know this is part of my problem, are there any specific approaches

you

> guys would recommend to reverse this problem through similar means?

>

> ~

>

> (Vornan, please delete the other message with a similar title and

only

> one line. I accidentally posted it before finishing. Sorry.)

>

[Guest guest]

it could be a direct effect of the fluorine in the ssri accumulating

in the pituitary, other glands and possibly the testicles.

theres a film called conspiracy theory with mell Gibson and

, they mention in this film what fluoride can do to you,

coincidentally it was tv here in the uk tonight.

>

> I'm trying, as much as possible, to predict the likelihood of any

drug

> I try to correct PSSD being successful.

>

> Some people have had success with some of the drugs I've tried -

> Wellbutrin, Requip, etc - but I have had zero luck with these

> particular drugs. So obviously there is more than one type of PSSD.

>

> I'm wondering - does anyone have normal Testosterone levels? Mine

are

> low, and my symptoms correspond with this fact, but I still believe

> that Prozac was the cause, as this is the only viable explanation I

> can find for this.

>

> How could an SSRI have effected this particular function (most

> notably, so far as I can tell, the function of the pituitary)?

Since I

> know this is part of my problem, are there any specific approaches

you

> guys would recommend to reverse this problem through similar means?

>

> ~

>

> (Vornan, please delete the other message with a similar title and

only

> one line. I accidentally posted it before finishing. Sorry.)

>

[Guest guest]

Those who have asked about my symptoms, they are as follows:

1) Very low libido

2) Difficult to maintain erections

3) Very low motivation

4) Emotionally blunted - nothing is fun or exciting. It is hard to

feel emotional attachment.

5) Always really tired. It seems I can't get enough sleep.

6) Very, very low appetite. Food never looks good.

7) My genitals lack sexual sensitivity. They just feel like any other

body part.

8) A couple times, I have had ejaculations without significant

feelings of arousal or even an erection (once I was cuddling with a

girl and feeling like it was pretty tame).

With the exception of number 8, all of these are pretty common

side-effects of low Testosterone.

Emotional disinterest and lack of motivation are common side-effects

of low Testosterone, so I'd say that's pretty likely. If you

definitely have problems with Testosterone, that's the first place I'd

look to that before neurotransmitters. I took several anti-depressants

that touch on three of the major neurotransmitters without noticing

any change in my condition for better or for worse, though I took many

of them symultaneously so maybe they were canceling each other out to

some degree.

I have not had anything change with my voice, hair, or testes.

Check out www.allthingsmale.com and read " TRT: A recipe for success "

if you are interested in suggesting some more tests to your doctors,

or even possibly working with the doctor on the site (I'm told that

he'll take patients through correspondence with your local doctor).

As for my age, I'm only 23, which makes any kind of low Testosterone

very unusual. This strengthens my conviction that Prozac is what

caused this.

Are there tests for fluoride poisoning/accumulation? What the crap is

that stuff doing in a medication anyhow?

~

> , they mention in this film what fluoride can do to you,

> coincidentally it was tv here in the uk tonight.

>

>

> >

> > I'm trying, as much as possible, to predict the likelihood of any

> drug

> > I try to correct PSSD being successful.

> >

> > Some people have had success with some of the drugs I've tried -

> > Wellbutrin, Requip, etc - but I have had zero luck with these

> > particular drugs. So obviously there is more than one type of PSSD.

> >

> > I'm wondering - does anyone have normal Testosterone levels? Mine

> are

> > low, and my symptoms correspond with this fact, but I still believe

> > that Prozac was the cause, as this is the only viable explanation I

> > can find for this.

> >

> > How could an SSRI have effected this particular function (most

> > notably, so far as I can tell, the function of the pituitary)?

> Since I

> > know this is part of my problem, are there any specific approaches

> you

> > guys would recommend to reverse this problem through similar means?

> >

> > ~

> >

> > (Vornan, please delete the other message with a similar title and

> only

> > one line. I accidentally posted it before finishing. Sorry.)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Have you been tested for bioavailable testosterone?

[Guest guest]

Well I couldn't tolerate wellubtrim either.

Some members seem to be doing well on stablon as you can see. That can

also increase dopamine neurotransmission, but by a cleaner kind of

method. It is much less likely to cause stress than bupropion.

Regular running is important. It improves all kinds of things.

[Guest guest]

I think most people with pssd have had low levels of " free "

testosterone as opposed to " total " testosterone.

What did your testosterone test indicate?

I think a lot of the time it's high levles of cortisol and prolacitn

and histamines and stuff like that which binds to the testosterone and

lowers the levles of " free " testosterone.

[Guest guest]

I know what low testosterone is like. I know what high testosterone is

like. It won't help libido if the psych drugs messed up your brain to

much. If that is the case, TRT is still good for #3, #4, #5, #6.

Although there was a post this past summer from the wife of a man who

had long term PSSD and after about 14 weeks his libido was back most

of the time. It sounded like a month to month slow steady progress.

This might not work for everybody. And I don't remember the particular

culprit drug that caused his PSSD.

I don't know of any tests for flouride poisoning. Maybe you can search

google for that one. But I did find a site that said high dose vitamin

C will clear out any flouride. I also think that taking niacin and

going to the sauna is a good way to detox, since some of these drugs

are stored in fat, sweating it out is the only way to get rid of it.

I doubt there is any legitamate scientific reason why there is

flouride in the chemical structure of prozac or paxil.

How long did you take those drugs? And how long have you been off them?

>

>

> Those who have asked about my symptoms, they are as follows:

>

> 1) Very low libido

> 2) Difficult to maintain erections

> 3) Very low motivation

> 4) Emotionally blunted - nothing is fun or exciting. It is hard to

> feel emotional attachment.

> 5) Always really tired. It seems I can't get enough sleep.

> 6) Very, very low appetite. Food never looks good.

> 7) My genitals lack sexual sensitivity. They just feel like any other

> body part.

> 8) A couple times, I have had ejaculations without significant

> feelings of arousal or even an erection (once I was cuddling with a

> girl and feeling like it was pretty tame).

>

> With the exception of number 8, all of these are pretty common

> side-effects of low Testosterone.

>

> Emotional disinterest and lack of motivation are common side-effects

> of low Testosterone, so I'd say that's pretty likely. If you

> definitely have problems with Testosterone, that's the first place I'd

> look to that before neurotransmitters. I took several anti-depressants

> that touch on three of the major neurotransmitters without noticing

> any change in my condition for better or for worse, though I took many

> of them symultaneously so maybe they were canceling each other out to

> some degree.

>

> I have not had anything change with my voice, hair, or testes.

>

> Check out www.allthingsmale.com and read " TRT: A recipe for success "

> if you are interested in suggesting some more tests to your doctors,

> or even possibly working with the doctor on the site (I'm told that

> he'll take patients through correspondence with your local doctor).

>

> As for my age, I'm only 23, which makes any kind of low Testosterone

> very unusual. This strengthens my conviction that Prozac is what

> caused this.

>

> Are there tests for fluoride poisoning/accumulation? What the crap is

> that stuff doing in a medication anyhow?

>

> ~

[Guest guest]

I'm pretty sure that both " free " and total testosterone are decreased

from these drugs.

I've never seen a study to investigate how these drugs effect SHBG.

(sex hormone binding globulin)

I know that women on birth control pills can have their SHBG elevated

about 15X or 20X higher than normal and lose their sex drive from it,

and still have their level about 7X higher than normal persistently

after discontinuation.

This is the Post Birth Control Sexual Dysfunction.

In terms of disrupted hormones being a possible mechanism of PSSD,

I've never seen any study about it or heard of anyone testing for

their SHBG level. If anyone is getting there T levels checked, make

sure you include SHBG and Estrogen, and also calculate the T to E

RATIO. This is just as important, or more important than the actual

levels. Not that this result alone would point straight to a cure, but

it would be another important clue about PSSD.

Cort, PRL, and Hist, bind to T?

Source please?

>

> I think most people with pssd have had low levels of " free "

> testosterone as opposed to " total " testosterone.

>

> What did your testosterone test indicate?

>

> I think a lot of the time it's high levles of cortisol and prolacitn

> and histamines and stuff like that which binds to the testosterone and

> lowers the levles of " free " testosterone.

>

[Guest guest]

My history goes like this:

3 months of Paxil. (gained a little weight, that's all).

6 Years of Celexa. (slowed down my appetite and made me tired. I think

that's all. Maybe premature ejaculations but I can't be sure).

8 Months of Fluoxetine

4 Months off all drugs with no improvement or even mental difference.

Then a few months where I tried Zoloft, Wellbutrin, and Remeron in

various doses; sometimes at the same time, sometimes not. None of them

seemed to do anything of note except some minor side effects (none

sexual).

Then a week or so on Requip with no results.

Then about 2 1/2 months on nothing, which brings me to today.

Since none of these drugs seemed to effect me, I don't believe

neurotransmitters are my particular problem. I believe that somehow

the drugs (especially Prozac) have thrown my endocrine system out of

whack, and now I've got to figure out how to get it back on track.

One of the other reasons I don't believe it's chiefly a

neurotransmitter issue at this point is that I still have SOME libido

and sexual feelings, etc. It's just very minimal. It's as though my

body lacks the chemical fuel to use it. This also seems supported by

my experience that if I eat a ton of red meat, the next day I do feel

a tad better, and this raises your testosterone a bit.

I haven't had Bioavailable Testosterone taken yet, but I'm sure we

could count on them being low since total T is low. I should get test

results back for FSH, LH, and Testosterone back tomorrow, after which

I'm supposed to call my doctor. He wants to give TRT a shot short-term

to see how I feel. I'm going to try to convince him to test Cortisol,

E2, and maybe bioavailable T before proceeding. Wish me luck.

I'm hoping that E2 or Corisol might be out of wack, because that seems

to be treatable in the long term. If these levels are normal, though,

the best explanation is that my pituitary isn't putting out enough

order for Testosterone. So far, my FSH was normal while my LH was just

inside the 'normal' range. So we know my balls work fine (if they

didn't, my pituitary would be pumping out those two like crazy/in vain

to get them to make more testosterone) but according to my limited

knowledge it's not a 100% sure thing that the pituitary it to blame. I

hope not since it's much harder to treat.

While a short-term trial may give us some more information as to

whether my problems are isolated to Testosterone, I can't stay on TRT

even if I feel great, since I want to have kids and it shuts down your

balls.

I had prolactin tested a while back. It's a little on the high side,

but not too bad. A lot of my levels are a bit to one side or the other

without looking like a big deal, so it's hard to say.

Since Testosterone is the only one that's clearly out of the normal

range, that's the most primary thing I can come up with at the moment,

so that's the focus so far. If we can figure out what is screwing up

my Testosterone and do something about it, some of my other levels may

click into place. It's also one that could potentially explain all my

symptoms, so that's promising.

By the way. If your Testosterone is normal, but your bioavailable

testosterone is way low, that really sounds (keeping in mind my

limited knowledge) like an Estradiol or Cortisol problem, since your

body could be making enough but for some reason you are converting it

all to something else. If you manage to get a doctor to test those

things or anything else on the " TRT: Recipe for Success " article,

please let us all know what you find.

It seems we may be discovering a subset of PSSD with fairly concrete

identifiers. This is good news. If one of us finds a solution,

hopefully it will work for each of us in that subset.

Wish me luck talking to the doctor, and keep me in your prayers. I'll

do the same. We're in this together.

One last bit of optimism: if PSSD has killed our original symptoms

significantly (my OCD is on the ropes) and we can manage to correct

the other symptoms creatd by PSSD through non-neurological means,

perhaps we'll have the best of both worlds.

~

> >

> >

> > Those who have asked about my symptoms, they are as follows:

> >

> > 1) Very low libido

> > 2) Difficult to maintain erections

> > 3) Very low motivation

> > 4) Emotionally blunted - nothing is fun or exciting. It is hard to

> > feel emotional attachment.

> > 5) Always really tired. It seems I can't get enough sleep.

> > 6) Very, very low appetite. Food never looks good.

> > 7) My genitals lack sexual sensitivity. They just feel like any other

> > body part.

> > 8) A couple times, I have had ejaculations without significant

> > feelings of arousal or even an erection (once I was cuddling with a

> > girl and feeling like it was pretty tame).

> >

> > With the exception of number 8, all of these are pretty common

> > side-effects of low Testosterone.

> >

> > Emotional disinterest and lack of motivation are common side-effects

> > of low Testosterone, so I'd say that's pretty likely. If you

> > definitely have problems with Testosterone, that's the first place I'd

> > look to that before neurotransmitters. I took several anti-depressants

> > that touch on three of the major neurotransmitters without noticing

> > any change in my condition for better or for worse, though I took many

> > of them symultaneously so maybe they were canceling each other out to

> > some degree.

> >

> > I have not had anything change with my voice, hair, or testes.

> >

> > Check out www.allthingsmale.com and read " TRT: A recipe for success "

> > if you are interested in suggesting some more tests to your doctors,

> > or even possibly working with the doctor on the site (I'm told that

> > he'll take patients through correspondence with your local doctor).

> >

> > As for my age, I'm only 23, which makes any kind of low Testosterone

> > very unusual. This strengthens my conviction that Prozac is what

> > caused this.

> >

> > Are there tests for fluoride poisoning/accumulation? What the crap is

> > that stuff doing in a medication anyhow?

> >

> > ~

>

[Guest guest]

I actually tolerated Wellbutrin just fine. It made my heart beat a bit

faster and made me sweat a bit more, but that was it. If I felt it was

doing anything useful I would have gladly put up with it.

Requip is a dopamine agonist and from what I can tell does little

else, but that didn't do jack for me. So as far as I can tell my

dopamine is cool.

I'm interested in the enhanced re-uptake of seretonin levels caused by

stablon, though, since that's basically the opposite of an SSRI. It

sounds promising to me. That's something I haven't tried yet.

Unfortunately, it seems to be difficult and expensive to get a hold of

in the US. I might just buy it anyway. But Cyproheptadine seems to

have a similar mechanism. Especially since it's tied to Cortisol and I

plan to have that tested, it is up there on my list of things to look

at along with Stablon.

~

>

> Well I couldn't tolerate wellubtrim either.

>

> Some members seem to be doing well on stablon as you can see. That can

> also increase dopamine neurotransmission, but by a cleaner kind of

> method. It is much less likely to cause stress than bupropion.

>

> Regular running is important. It improves all kinds of things.

>

[Guest guest]

thats interesting what you found out about vit c, have you got a link

for that?

i know from researching how to get mercury out of your body by

chelation that vitamin c also binds to mercury and passes the blood

brain barrier to clear mercury from the brain.

vitamin e also has the same effect on mercury maybe it will also

assist in clearing fluoride.

> >

> >

> > Those who have asked about my symptoms, they are as follows:

> >

> > 1) Very low libido

> > 2) Difficult to maintain erections

> > 3) Very low motivation

> > 4) Emotionally blunted - nothing is fun or exciting. It is hard to

> > feel emotional attachment.

> > 5) Always really tired. It seems I can't get enough sleep.

> > 6) Very, very low appetite. Food never looks good.

> > 7) My genitals lack sexual sensitivity. They just feel like any

other

> > body part.

> > 8) A couple times, I have had ejaculations without significant

> > feelings of arousal or even an erection (once I was cuddling with

a

> > girl and feeling like it was pretty tame).

> >

> > With the exception of number 8, all of these are pretty common

> > side-effects of low Testosterone.

> >

> > Emotional disinterest and lack of motivation are common side-

effects

> > of low Testosterone, so I'd say that's pretty likely. If you

> > definitely have problems with Testosterone, that's the first

place I'd

> > look to that before neurotransmitters. I took several anti-

depressants

> > that touch on three of the major neurotransmitters without

noticing

> > any change in my condition for better or for worse, though I took

many

> > of them symultaneously so maybe they were canceling each other

out to

> > some degree.

> >

> > I have not had anything change with my voice, hair, or testes.

> >

> > Check out www.allthingsmale.com and read " TRT: A recipe for

success "

> > if you are interested in suggesting some more tests to your

doctors,

> > or even possibly working with the doctor on the site (I'm told

that

> > he'll take patients through correspondence with your local

doctor).

> >

> > As for my age, I'm only 23, which makes any kind of low

Testosterone

> > very unusual. This strengthens my conviction that Prozac is what

> > caused this.

> >

> > Are there tests for fluoride poisoning/accumulation? What the

crap is

> > that stuff doing in a medication anyhow?

> >

> > ~

>

[Guest guest]

I could be wrong. But it said something about vitamin C clearing out

some kind of toxins on this site.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/index.html

> > >

> > >

> > > Those who have asked about my symptoms, they are as follows:

> > >

> > > 1) Very low libido

> > > 2) Difficult to maintain erections

> > > 3) Very low motivation

> > > 4) Emotionally blunted - nothing is fun or exciting. It is hard to

> > > feel emotional attachment.

> > > 5) Always really tired. It seems I can't get enough sleep.

> > > 6) Very, very low appetite. Food never looks good.

> > > 7) My genitals lack sexual sensitivity. They just feel like any

> other

> > > body part.

> > > 8) A couple times, I have had ejaculations without significant

> > > feelings of arousal or even an erection (once I was cuddling with

> a

> > > girl and feeling like it was pretty tame).

> > >

> > > With the exception of number 8, all of these are pretty common

> > > side-effects of low Testosterone.

> > >

> > > Emotional disinterest and lack of motivation are common side-

> effects

> > > of low Testosterone, so I'd say that's pretty likely. If you

> > > definitely have problems with Testosterone, that's the first

> place I'd

> > > look to that before neurotransmitters. I took several anti-

> depressants

> > > that touch on three of the major neurotransmitters without

> noticing

> > > any change in my condition for better or for worse, though I took

> many

> > > of them symultaneously so maybe they were canceling each other

> out to

> > > some degree.

> > >

> > > I have not had anything change with my voice, hair, or testes.

> > >

> > > Check out www.allthingsmale.com and read " TRT: A recipe for

> success "

> > > if you are interested in suggesting some more tests to your

> doctors,

> > > or even possibly working with the doctor on the site (I'm told

> that

> > > he'll take patients through correspondence with your local

> doctor).

> > >

> > > As for my age, I'm only 23, which makes any kind of low

> Testosterone

> > > very unusual. This strengthens my conviction that Prozac is what

> > > caused this.

> > >

> > > Are there tests for fluoride poisoning/accumulation? What the

> crap is

> > > that stuff doing in a medication anyhow?

> > >

> > > ~

> >

>

[Guest guest]

couldnt find it on that link but did find something here.

" fluoride interferes with male fertility as well. In an experiment

with male mice, a larger proportion of the sperm became abnormal when

they ingested fluoride. The sperm lost their motility or died. When

the same mice were given vitamin C and calcium and no fluoride, their

sperm significantly recovered.

Fluoride impairs the production of free radical scavengers such as

glutathione. Fluoride impairs the function of enzymes that prevent

lipid peroxidation. These enzymes include glutathione peroxidase,

superoxide dismutase and catalase. "

http://www.drkaslow.com/html/fluoride.html

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Those who have asked about my symptoms, they are as follows:

> > > >

> > > > 1) Very low libido

> > > > 2) Difficult to maintain erections

> > > > 3) Very low motivation

> > > > 4) Emotionally blunted - nothing is fun or exciting. It is

hard to

> > > > feel emotional attachment.

> > > > 5) Always really tired. It seems I can't get enough sleep.

> > > > 6) Very, very low appetite. Food never looks good.

> > > > 7) My genitals lack sexual sensitivity. They just feel like

any

> > other

> > > > body part.

> > > > 8) A couple times, I have had ejaculations without significant

> > > > feelings of arousal or even an erection (once I was cuddling

with

> > a

> > > > girl and feeling like it was pretty tame).

> > > >

> > > > With the exception of number 8, all of these are pretty common

> > > > side-effects of low Testosterone.

> > > >

> > > > Emotional disinterest and lack of motivation are common side-

> > effects

> > > > of low Testosterone, so I'd say that's pretty likely. If you

> > > > definitely have problems with Testosterone, that's the first

> > place I'd

> > > > look to that before neurotransmitters. I took several anti-

> > depressants

> > > > that touch on three of the major neurotransmitters without

> > noticing

> > > > any change in my condition for better or for worse, though I

took

> > many

> > > > of them symultaneously so maybe they were canceling each

other

> > out to

> > > > some degree.

> > > >

> > > > I have not had anything change with my voice, hair, or testes.

> > > >

> > > > Check out www.allthingsmale.com and read " TRT: A recipe for

> > success "

> > > > if you are interested in suggesting some more tests to your

> > doctors,

> > > > or even possibly working with the doctor on the site (I'm

told

> > that

> > > > he'll take patients through correspondence with your local

> > doctor).

> > > >

> > > > As for my age, I'm only 23, which makes any kind of low

> > Testosterone

> > > > very unusual. This strengthens my conviction that Prozac is

what

> > > > caused this.

> > > >

> > > > Are there tests for fluoride poisoning/accumulation? What the

> > crap is

> > > > that stuff doing in a medication anyhow?

> > > >

> > > > ~

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just wondering what makes everyone think that fluoride poisining caused

pssd?

Where I grew up everone toom fluoride because it was in the water.

Is there any proof that fluoride could cause damage to

neurons/synapses/testosterone?

[Guest guest]

There are lots of other problems caused by pssd. This caould be low

Nitric Oxide synthase or low dopamine etc.

, the effects of low testosterone are similar to many of the other

problems caused by PSSD.

It is likely that people could get similar symptoms confused.

I would recomend getting checked if you do think you have low free

testosterone.

[Guest guest]

Yeah decaf tea reduces cortisol as well you know. I'm planning on

drinking loads of it every time I feel stressed, to see if that helps.

[Guest guest]

if your mineral deficient it can build up in the organs that are

deficient i.e the prostate or thyroid.

read this about how it can effect fertility.

http://www.drkaslow.com/html/fluoride.html

im not sure fluoride in tap water crosses the blood brain barrier and

if it did it probably doesn't bind onto something that your brain

uses to synthesis nitric oxide like the ssris do.

>

> Just wondering what makes everyone think that fluoride poisoning

caused

> pssd?

>

> Where I grew up everone toom fluoride because it was in the water.

>

> Is there any proof that fluoride could cause damage to

> neurons/synapses/testosterone?

>

[Guest guest]

i dont think your cortisol would remain high after you discontinue the

ssri.

>

> Yeah decaf tea reduces cortisol as well you know. I'm planning on

> drinking loads of it every time I feel stressed, to see if that helps.

>

[Guest guest]

i think its got more to do with the ratio of dopamine to serotonin,

after the ssri sucked out all the serotonin.

the dopamine might be low in general but in relation to serotonin its

probably high, same with other neurotransmitters they are all

probably high and serotonin is low.

>

> There are lots of other problems caused by pssd. This caould be low

> Nitric Oxide synthase or low dopamine etc.

>

> , the effects of low testosterone are similar to many of the

other

> problems caused by PSSD.

>

> It is likely that people could get similar symptoms confused.

>

> I would recomend getting checked if you do think you have low free

> testosterone.

>

[Guest guest]

I doubt everyone thinks that flouride caused it. I ve posted this many

times. Maybe this info should be in the database. I'll post it again.

PROZAC and PAXIL have a flouride molecule bonded in the chemical

structure. It is bonded into a chemical structure just like flouride

is bonded into the structure of pesticide that kills plants.

Part of these chemicals are cleaved by enzymes and the flouride

molecule is then free. Part of this is after it crosses the blood

brain barrier, since that's what the drugs are made to do.

Your brain is not meant to have flouride in it. It couldn't possibly

do any good there, only harm. This is completely different than

comparing it to the flouride in your water or toothpast.

If you didn't get PSSD from Prozac or Paxil, then don't bother

researching this issue.

>

> Just wondering what makes everyone think that fluoride poisining caused

> pssd?

>

> Where I grew up everone toom fluoride because it was in the water.

>

> Is there any proof that fluoride could cause damage to

> neurons/synapses/testosterone?

>