Re: experiments to prove pssd

[Guest guest]

There is already research involving mice who have permanently lost

their sex drive due to antidepressants. I'm not sure if these

reactions can always be assumed to be linked to human as well. And our

medical technology is not sophisticated enough to measure

neurotransmitters. I think if it was, one would be able to pin point

clear damage these drugs cause

[Guest guest]

so its not possible to dissect the brain of a rat to see how serotonin

is in its neurons?

surely theres some sort of liquid or luminescent that detects serotonin

in tissue so it can be observed under microscope.

>

> There is already research involving mice who have permanently lost

> their sex drive due to antidepressants. I'm not sure if these

> reactions can always be assumed to be linked to human as well. And our

> medical technology is not sophisticated enough to measure

> neurotransmitters. I think if it was, one would be able to pin point

> clear damage these drugs cause

>

[Guest guest]

This is very important IMO to support the PSSO hypothesis.

Which research exactly do you refer to?

>

> There is already research involving mice who have permanently lost

> their sex drive due to antidepressants. I'm not sure if these

> reactions can always be assumed to be linked to human as well. And our

> medical technology is not sophisticated enough to measure

> neurotransmitters. I think if it was, one would be able to pin point

> clear damage these drugs cause

>

[Guest guest]

Scientists have done SSRI experiments on rats. I haven't found any

research papers like the experiments you thought of though.

But of the top of my head there are a couple.

1.) Rats were given 20mg of citalopram. 1 hour later the rats were

terminated,the brains extracted, and measured the serotonin level.

The result was an 80% increase in the serotonin level. This proved

that the psychiatrists are full of BS when they say it takes 8 to 9

weeks of treatment till the highest dose is reached to achieve a

therapeutic effect.

2.)Rats were given SSRI drugs and it stopped the mating behaviors.

Then half the rats were put in a cage with a treadmill and the other

half were put in a cage with no treadmill. The half with no treadmills

didn't recover. The half with treadmills ran everyday and recovered

mating behavior.

As for the study showing detrimental effect on neurotransmitter level.

I'm sure that study has been done already and it is confirmed. But it

wasn't enough to bring down the ruthless pharma drug cartel.

You mind as well be throwing firecrackers at the great wall of china.

As for donating your body to science, that will eventually happen

anyway. I know that an autopsy proved that ritalin kills children by

damaging the heart. Also they found abnormality's in the brains of

schizophrenic people by autopsy. And in later years they found changes

caused by anti-psychotic drugs. This is actually one way that

psychiatry is holding back legitimate science. There just aren't

anymore non-drugged brains to study.

Bringing the cartel to justice would have to be the greatest

undertaking in the history of mankind. We're dealing with absolute

corruption. Eli Lily covered up it's own internal investigation that

showed people taking prozac were 12 times more likely to commit

suicide than people already taking other anti-depressants. Then they

went to congress and proposed that prozac be pumped into the water

supply. This would create a giant spike in the suicide rate so the

company would have a marketing advantage to push more of the so-called

anti-depressant. Doesn't this make Time magazine look like it's not

even worthy to line your bird cage with? (prozac: miracle pill for

depression)

Meanwhile the FDA banned tryptophan, re-approved viox after it killed

50k people, only 5% of it's funding goes to safety testing, and only

7% of the imported drugs (90% of the drugs sold in the US are imported

from good old China and India) are even tested for safety. Since 1990

most of the funding to the FDA needed to review drugs actually comes

from the pharma cartel. The people that work there don't stay long

because it's really just a stepping stone to get a cushy job at the

cartel. The FDA and the cartel are one in the same. They are not your

friends.

As far as compensation ideas, there is something called a class action

lawsuit. You either have to die from the drug, or have a permanent

disabling or nearly disabling injury that lawyers are looking for a

particular type of. For example with Zyprexa it was diabetes. But the

heart of the case was that the company lied in it's warning

information about the actual risk, and it was proven that they lied.

It's not that we don't have a case against the doctors that did this

to us, or the drug company's that lied about the risk, the problem is

that the mega corporation lawyers haven't found a way to make this

injury part of their cookie cutter style litigation framework.

Also the doctors never gave a sexual function test before they gave

out these drugs, so it's likely they will claim you had a pre-existing

condition that caused it and it makes the case harder to prove.

I've seen hundreds of people given these psych drugs and not one of

their doctors established a baseline blood glucos level before giving

the drug. And the PI sheet clearly states that it should be done.

In essence doctors get to neglect doing their job, without

disciplinary action against them, and they just keep making more and

more $. This flagrant negligence is why one out of five

hospitalizations are a result of a doctors mistake.

The government only makes the situation worse. The Bush administration

blamed rising health care costs on " frivolous litigation " . To this day

there hasn't been any evidence presented that proved " frivolous

litigation " was a problem that even existed in the first place, or how

it was worse than the prevelance of actual malpractice induced injury,

death, and costs. Just because someone loses a lawsuit, and doctors

say shyt to cover their @sses, that doesn't mean any case was

" frivolous " . Now we have a law that basically says, if your doctor

injured you, and you sue, but don't win the case, you are now a

criminal. This is the fraud of " health care reform " being pushed by

hypocritical evil crooks like the AMA.

Abolish Suicide-Causing Anti-Depressants

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/COPESfoundation/

>

> ive started this top to discuss possible experiments to prove the

> existence pssd or any detrimental effects of ssri's.

>

> i think an experiment could be carried out on rodents, two twin rats

> one fed ssris and one fed no srris.(for different periods of time)

>

> the brains of the rats could then be dissected to see if the ssri has

> actually decreased the amount of neurotransmitters that it is

> supposed to correct a deficiency of. (i think an experiment of this

> kind would reveal interesting results and probably detect detrimental

> effects on neurotransmitter volume)

>

> if we could set up a fundraising or donation scheme, we could

> commission our own research and possibly prove the detrimental

> effects of srris and get them banned.

>

> another thing that can be look at is the detrimental effects of

> fluorine in the ssri's and possible damaging effects of this.

>

> i know this sounds grim but we could also donate our own body's if

> any of us passes over to the other side.

>

> i would do this, this could lead to evidence of possible damage made

> by srris on organs and various tissues through out the human body.

> (i know this isnt a nice thing to think about but do so for a minute,

> when you die your dead. what difference will it make to you if

> someone chopped up your body before your left for worms to eat or

> burnt to ashes? there's the possibility you will be chopped up in any

> case before your made into ashes or food for worms by a post mortem)

>

>

> it could even lead to proof that the ssri actually stays in the body

> long after discontinuing them, possibly in the brain and possibly in

> other organs which the prostate is a likely prospect of.

>

> i truly believe these drugs actually decrease the ammount of brain

> chemicals that they are supposed to be treating a deficiency of!

> (and i dont think it would be difficult to prove, after the rite line

> line of research)

>

> i think something like this a possibility if we work together to

> achieve this goal, if we dont try it will never happen and the people

> responsible will never be held to account!

>

> we all deserve massive amounts of compensation for whats happened to

> us!

>

> we will never get this if something like this is never attempted.

>

> this has happened to us and its the ssri that has done it, i believe

> it can be proven!

>

[Guest guest]

survivor man, you make a damming enough case for anyone to not even

try and take steps towards throwing firecrackers at the great wall of

china.

there's 1500 people that have been a member of this group at one time

or another and ill bet not one of them has reported the adverce

reaction to these drugs to the authority's. this is the reason why no

one takes it seriously!

the first experiment you describe where the rats were given ssri's

and one hour later there brains dissected and it was found to have

80% more serotonin.

if this experiment was done it was to give people false belief that

these drugs increase the ammount of serotonin your brain.(think about

it they only increased what was in between the synapse, not what you

had stored up in your neurons)

ask your self this why were the rats dissected after only one hour?

because they knew that the initial increase would point towards more

serotonin.

if the experiment would have been under taken after a week or two the

opposite would have been shown, (less serotonin) as that increase is

just unsustainable the transporter is blocked by the ssri so hardly

any of what was released transported back for storage. monoamine

oxidase would have destroyed that increased ammount, leaving less to

be transported back for storage and future use.(this is the truth)

the experiment should have measured the ammount of serotonin that was

left in the actual neurons, not what was released and not transported

back within an hour.

after all its the actual ammount of serotonin your left with in your

neurons thats going to cause a problem after you stop taking these

things. (thats the stuff you require for any future use & thats the

stuff these things leave you with hardly anything of)

these drugs temporarily trap serotonin between synapses, by not

recycling it as it normally would. this leads to more of an exposure

and more of a destruction by monoamine oxidase.

this creates a depletion of neurotransmitter in the actual neurons

i.e there's less there for you brain to release and use after you

stop taking them. (a chemical lobotomy)

the thing they are supposed to give you more of they actually end up

giving you less of. (this can be proven)

> >

> > ive started this top to discuss possible experiments to prove the

> > existence pssd or any detrimental effects of ssri's.

> >

> > i think an experiment could be carried out on rodents, two twin

rats

> > one fed ssris and one fed no srris.(for different periods of time)

> >

> > the brains of the rats could then be dissected to see if the ssri

has

> > actually decreased the amount of neurotransmitters that it is

> > supposed to correct a deficiency of. (i think an experiment of

this

> > kind would reveal interesting results and probably detect

detrimental

> > effects on neurotransmitter volume)

> >

> > if we could set up a fundraising or donation scheme, we could

> > commission our own research and possibly prove the detrimental

> > effects of srris and get them banned.

> >

> > another thing that can be look at is the detrimental effects of

> > fluorine in the ssri's and possible damaging effects of this.

> >

> > i know this sounds grim but we could also donate our own body's

if

> > any of us passes over to the other side.

> >

> > i would do this, this could lead to evidence of possible damage

made

> > by srris on organs and various tissues through out the human body.

> > (i know this isnt a nice thing to think about but do so for a

minute,

> > when you die your dead. what difference will it make to you if

> > someone chopped up your body before your left for worms to eat or

> > burnt to ashes? there's the possibility you will be chopped up in

any

> > case before your made into ashes or food for worms by a post

mortem)

> >

> >

> > it could even lead to proof that the ssri actually stays in the

body

> > long after discontinuing them, possibly in the brain and possibly

in

> > other organs which the prostate is a likely prospect of.

> >

> > i truly believe these drugs actually decrease the ammount of

brain

> > chemicals that they are supposed to be treating a deficiency of!

> > (and i dont think it would be difficult to prove, after the rite

line

> > line of research)

> >

> > i think something like this a possibility if we work together to

> > achieve this goal, if we dont try it will never happen and the

people

> > responsible will never be held to account!

> >

> > we all deserve massive amounts of compensation for whats happened

to

> > us!

> >

> > we will never get this if something like this is never attempted.

> >

> > this has happened to us and its the ssri that has done it, i

believe

> > it can be proven!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you that we deserve a lot of compensation! It would have

an appropriate salutary effect on the drug companies too.

There have been quite a lot of rat studies like the one you outline,

but I am not familiar with that literature - if you are interested and

have some time to spare, do a bit of searching in Medline, or if there

are any experts willing to offer their knowledge - we would like to

hear from you.

It's difficult to see what could be learned about this condition from

a corpse and even harder to see how you could donate your body to that

cause.

I am sure there is a good case for an international epidemiolgy study

(a cohort retrospective) in the first instance and maybe then a

case-control study. This, to my mind, will settle the issue of whether

PSSD exists and which drugs / regimens cause the problem. That will

also be a big step in the search for a cure.

I have tried to argue in some medical circles for this, but of course

funding is the main issue. I know for a fact that the information is

available, sitting in big databases, waiting to be extracted by

professional epidemiologists. I hope to drum up support for this

activity.

K.

-- In SSRIsex , " nemo.shark " wrote:

>

> ive started this top to discuss possible experiments to prove the

> existence pssd or any detrimental effects of ssri's.

>

> i think an experiment could be carried out on rodents, two twin rats

> one fed ssris and one fed no srris.(for different periods of time)

>

> the brains of the rats could then be dissected to see if the ssri has

> actually decreased the amount of neurotransmitters that it is

> supposed to correct a deficiency of. (i think an experiment of this

> kind would reveal interesting results and probably detect detrimental

> effects on neurotransmitter volume)

>

> if we could set up a fundraising or donation scheme, we could

> commission our own research and possibly prove the detrimental

> effects of srris and get them banned.

>

> another thing that can be look at is the detrimental effects of

> fluorine in the ssri's and possible damaging effects of this.

>

> i know this sounds grim but we could also donate our own body's if

> any of us passes over to the other side.

>

> i would do this, this could lead to evidence of possible damage made

> by srris on organs and various tissues through out the human body.

> (i know this isnt a nice thing to think about but do so for a minute,

> when you die your dead. what difference will it make to you if

> someone chopped up your body before your left for worms to eat or

> burnt to ashes? there's the possibility you will be chopped up in any

> case before your made into ashes or food for worms by a post mortem)

>

>

> it could even lead to proof that the ssri actually stays in the body

> long after discontinuing them, possibly in the brain and possibly in

> other organs which the prostate is a likely prospect of.

>

> i truly believe these drugs actually decrease the ammount of brain

> chemicals that they are supposed to be treating a deficiency of!

> (and i dont think it would be difficult to prove, after the rite line

> line of research)

>

> i think something like this a possibility if we work together to

> achieve this goal, if we dont try it will never happen and the people

> responsible will never be held to account!

>

> we all deserve massive amounts of compensation for whats happened to

> us!

>

> we will never get this if something like this is never attempted.

>

> this has happened to us and its the ssri that has done it, i believe

> it can be proven!

>

[Guest guest]

im drumming!!!! yeah your rite its funding, some one should set up a

facility where funds can be donated until there's enough to carry out

proper research into pssd or any other detrimental effects ssris have.

hell, ill do it give me a couple of mice a few ssris test tubes a bit

of this a bit of that, a microscope and i bit of advice or trial and

error.

you are rite all the negative data exists somewhere about these

things, it wont ever come out until the profits are well above there

damage limitation freshold.

> >

> > ive started this top to discuss possible experiments to prove the

> > existence pssd or any detrimental effects of ssri's.

> >

> > i think an experiment could be carried out on rodents, two twin

rats

> > one fed ssris and one fed no srris.(for different periods of time)

> >

> > the brains of the rats could then be dissected to see if the ssri

has

> > actually decreased the amount of neurotransmitters that it is

> > supposed to correct a deficiency of. (i think an experiment of

this

> > kind would reveal interesting results and probably detect

detrimental

> > effects on neurotransmitter volume)

> >

> > if we could set up a fundraising or donation scheme, we could

> > commission our own research and possibly prove the detrimental

> > effects of srris and get them banned.

> >

> > another thing that can be look at is the detrimental effects of

> > fluorine in the ssri's and possible damaging effects of this.

> >

> > i know this sounds grim but we could also donate our own body's

if

> > any of us passes over to the other side.

> >

> > i would do this, this could lead to evidence of possible damage

made

> > by srris on organs and various tissues through out the human body.

> > (i know this isnt a nice thing to think about but do so for a

minute,

> > when you die your dead. what difference will it make to you if

> > someone chopped up your body before your left for worms to eat or

> > burnt to ashes? there's the possibility you will be chopped up in

any

> > case before your made into ashes or food for worms by a post

mortem)

> >

> >

> > it could even lead to proof that the ssri actually stays in the

body

> > long after discontinuing them, possibly in the brain and possibly

in

> > other organs which the prostate is a likely prospect of.

> >

> > i truly believe these drugs actually decrease the ammount of

brain

> > chemicals that they are supposed to be treating a deficiency of!

> > (and i dont think it would be difficult to prove, after the rite

line

> > line of research)

> >

> > i think something like this a possibility if we work together to

> > achieve this goal, if we dont try it will never happen and the

people

> > responsible will never be held to account!

> >

> > we all deserve massive amounts of compensation for whats happened

to

> > us!

> >

> > we will never get this if something like this is never attempted.

> >

> > this has happened to us and its the ssri that has done it, i

believe

> > it can be proven!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

i just want to add this statement here, if this fund raising thing

could be set up there maybe an easier way of getting to the truth

about these ssri's than commissioning our own research.

im thinking this, all these pharmaceutical company's are care about

is there share prices!

and the governments turn a blind eye to there sinister doings because

of there share prices!

i ask you this, what if we were share holders?

as share holders would we not be entitled to see the data they have

on the drugs they sell?

this could be a way of being able to police them from with in!

is it possible for an organisation to be set up like a charity and

then have that organisation or charity buy shares in company's?

i dont see why not! this doesn't have to be a pssd thing but it would

help us nether the less, people would buy into this idea everyone

wants to know what there doctor gives them is safe.

something like this could be set up, they can be policed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALL OF THEM!

> > >

> > > ive started this top to discuss possible experiments to prove

the

> > > existence pssd or any detrimental effects of ssri's.

> > >

> > > i think an experiment could be carried out on rodents, two twin

> rats

> > > one fed ssris and one fed no srris.(for different periods of

time)

> > >

> > > the brains of the rats could then be dissected to see if the

ssri

> has

> > > actually decreased the amount of neurotransmitters that it is

> > > supposed to correct a deficiency of. (i think an experiment of

> this

> > > kind would reveal interesting results and probably detect

> detrimental

> > > effects on neurotransmitter volume)

> > >

> > > if we could set up a fundraising or donation scheme, we could

> > > commission our own research and possibly prove the detrimental

> > > effects of srris and get them banned.

> > >

> > > another thing that can be look at is the detrimental effects of

> > > fluorine in the ssri's and possible damaging effects of this.

> > >

> > > i know this sounds grim but we could also donate our own body's

> if

> > > any of us passes over to the other side.

> > >

> > > i would do this, this could lead to evidence of possible damage

> made

> > > by srris on organs and various tissues through out the human

body.

> > > (i know this isnt a nice thing to think about but do so for a

> minute,

> > > when you die your dead. what difference will it make to you if

> > > someone chopped up your body before your left for worms to eat

or

> > > burnt to ashes? there's the possibility you will be chopped up

in

> any

> > > case before your made into ashes or food for worms by a post

> mortem)

> > >

> > >

> > > it could even lead to proof that the ssri actually stays in the

> body

> > > long after discontinuing them, possibly in the brain and

possibly

> in

> > > other organs which the prostate is a likely prospect of.

> > >

> > > i truly believe these drugs actually decrease the ammount of

> brain

> > > chemicals that they are supposed to be treating a deficiency of!

> > > (and i dont think it would be difficult to prove, after the

rite

> line

> > > line of research)

> > >

> > > i think something like this a possibility if we work together

to

> > > achieve this goal, if we dont try it will never happen and the

> people

> > > responsible will never be held to account!

> > >

> > > we all deserve massive amounts of compensation for whats

happened

> to

> > > us!

> > >

> > > we will never get this if something like this is never

attempted.

> > >

> > > this has happened to us and its the ssri that has done it, i

> believe

> > > it can be proven!

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It is possible. I've already found a scientific document about an

experiment like this. If I dig it up again I'll post it.

Basically scientists gave rats a 20mg dose of an ssri and one hour

later killed the rat and put it's brain in a machine to measure the

serotonin. This small dose in a short amount of time resulted in a 80%

increase in the serotonin level. This experiment proves that

psychiatrists of not telling the truth when they say that you need

higher and higher doses and you that it takes 8 to 9 weeks for the

therapeutic level to be reached. Go ahead and ask what the

" therapeutic level " is and how does the psychiatrist measure it. The

truth is that they don't know what level is therapeutic, and they

can't measure it. They'd have to kill you first.

>

> so its not possible to dissect the brain of a rat to see how serotonin

> is in its neurons?

[Guest guest]

I've posted links for people to take these steps. You can sign a

petition to abolish suicide anti-depressants. If 15,000 people from

this list sign it, that will help get the amount of signatures needed

a lot faster.

Also you can report PSSD to the FDA

here.http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/report/consumer/consumer.htm

If 15,000 people on this list sign it, that's a lot better than 3 or 4

cases documented.

Also I'm personally working with CCHR.org to bring the criminals in

health care to justice. If 15,000 people from this list told thier

story about how the doctors lied to them or forced you to take these

drugs, actions will be taked. The first item on y list of injurys is

sexual dysfunction. I'm not afraid to talk about it anymore.

Although I am dating a lady right now, I am taking Cialis and having

sex, I still don't have an actual libido.

The real difficulty is getting a lawsuit going. In the USA, one has to

survive a medical tribunal before a malpractice case will go into a

court of law. It is nearly impossible to get past the corrupt

tribunal, and if you don't, there could be serious consequences.

It is an arcane system, and in my state, 90% of the verdicts are in

the doctors favor. There is a reason why most people fail though.

But enough research and planning will shed more light on the legal circus.

The research that I found about the rat brains showing an 80% was

never pushed into the public conscience, and the results are in direct

opposition to what the psychiatrists are saying to people.

Also, the measuring method did not differentiate between the neurons

and the synapses. It only measured total serotonin level.

The rats brains were tested after only one hour because there wasn't a

previous experiment that did that. So the question was, does serotonin

levels rise slowly or quickly? The answer was, it rises quickly.

This is a legitimate scientific experiment that shows that the 8 to 9

week claim is a lie invented by psychiatrists who want to make sure

you get addicted and become a long term drug customer.

Experiments for other factors that you mention may have already been

done and those would have been taken into consideration by the

scientific community. If they haven't been done, there is a good

chance that scientists are already thinking about those things as

also. Personally I haven't read or memorized every single one of the

thousands of experiments that have been done, so I can't answer

everything off the top of my head. I usually remember what is most

interesting to me.

The thing they are supposed to give you more of, they actually give

you less of. I'm well aware of this. I've probably posted the same

comment in the past here. These drugs were originally marketed as a

chemical lobotomy...until lobotomy's were no longer accepted by the

public as the latest " mirical cure " , and recognized as the brutal

butchery that they really are. So newer lies were invented by

marketing maniacs at the pharma drug cartel.

With all that said...sign the petition to ban this sh!t, report this

to the FDA, and tell your story to CCHR.

> > >

> > > ive started this top to discuss possible experiments to prove the

> > > existence pssd or any detrimental effects of ssri's.

> > >

> > > i think an experiment could be carried out on rodents, two twin

> rats

> > > one fed ssris and one fed no srris.(for different periods of time)

> > >

> > > the brains of the rats could then be dissected to see if the ssri

> has

> > > actually decreased the amount of neurotransmitters that it is

> > > supposed to correct a deficiency of. (i think an experiment of

> this

> > > kind would reveal interesting results and probably detect

> detrimental

> > > effects on neurotransmitter volume)

> > >

> > > if we could set up a fundraising or donation scheme, we could

> > > commission our own research and possibly prove the detrimental

> > > effects of srris and get them banned.

> > >

> > > another thing that can be look at is the detrimental effects of

> > > fluorine in the ssri's and possible damaging effects of this.

> > >

> > > i know this sounds grim but we could also donate our own body's

> if

> > > any of us passes over to the other side.

> > >

> > > i would do this, this could lead to evidence of possible damage

> made

> > > by srris on organs and various tissues through out the human body.

> > > (i know this isnt a nice thing to think about but do so for a

> minute,

> > > when you die your dead. what difference will it make to you if

> > > someone chopped up your body before your left for worms to eat or

> > > burnt to ashes? there's the possibility you will be chopped up in

> any

> > > case before your made into ashes or food for worms by a post

> mortem)

> > >

> > >

> > > it could even lead to proof that the ssri actually stays in the

> body

> > > long after discontinuing them, possibly in the brain and possibly

> in

> > > other organs which the prostate is a likely prospect of.

> > >

> > > i truly believe these drugs actually decrease the ammount of

> brain

> > > chemicals that they are supposed to be treating a deficiency of!

> > > (and i dont think it would be difficult to prove, after the rite

> line

> > > line of research)

> > >

> > > i think something like this a possibility if we work together to

> > > achieve this goal, if we dont try it will never happen and the

> people

> > > responsible will never be held to account!

> > >

> > > we all deserve massive amounts of compensation for whats happened

> to

> > > us!

> > >

> > > we will never get this if something like this is never attempted.

> > >

> > > this has happened to us and its the ssri that has done it, i

> believe

> > > it can be proven!

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The pharma drug cartel sets aside a few billion $ in foresite of

settling injury lawsuits as a cost of doing business.

Like a pizza delivery service factors in the cost of buying gas for a

car. So it doesn't have the effect your looking for. The

settlement/judgement would have to result in the awarding of hundreds

of billions of dollars before it would result in an actual financial

loss to the cartel. The prospect is inconcievable.

There is a better chance of getting the drugs banned, or ruining

business for them by alerting the public to the real danger.

Think what would happen if there where 15,000 PSSD testimony video's

on youtube. The media wouldn't ignore that.

>

> I agree with you that we deserve a lot of compensation! It would have

> an appropriate salutary effect on the drug companies too.

[Guest guest]

rite then if its possible all thats needed is this experiment carried

out, but the rats killed and dissected after 2hs or 2 days or 1 week,

in actual fact its probably been done and not published because it

proves that there's an initial increase followed by a subsequent

decrease.

(im surtain this experiment has been done! we should push for its

publication!!!)

there's not a never ending supply of serotonin in side your neurons!

trapping it between the neurons leaves much more of it exposed to the

destruction off mao!

basically what came out never went back in as it normally would!

ive already come across some information how this could disrupt

neural nitric oxide synthesis in the brain, as serotonin and nitric

oxide mediate each other.

the uptake of serotonin stimulates neural nitric oxide synthase, this

has been prevented by the ssri!

" This experiment proves that psychiatrists of not telling the truth

when they say that you need higher and higher doses and you that it

takes 8 to 9 weeks for the therapeutic level to be reached. "

it dose sort of prove this, but they will say a therapeutic dose

doesn't have to be of a high ammount but a stable enough ammount for

it to be therapeutic.

i understand what your getting at though, but let me tell you what it

think is happening, the initial increase of serotonin trapped between

the synapse is left open to more of an exposure and destruction by

mao! more went out of the neuron than eventually went back in (big

problem) neural nitric oxide synthase is mediated by the uptake of

serotonin, this has been prevented! (this is also a problem) fluorine

is a potent enzyme inhibitor. the ssri has a fluorine molecule and it

attaches to the serotonin transporter (sert).

(coppyed this text from the link below)

" SERT–nNOS interactions. Binding of nNOS to the SERT carboxyl

terminus decreases SERT trafficking to the plasma membrane and

thereby inhibits 5-HT uptake. Reciprocally, 5-HT uptake induces NO

production from nNOS physically linked to SERT, through a calmodulin

(CaM)-dependent mechanism. NO formed in association with 5-HT

transport might, through cGMP and cGMP-dependent protein kinase

(PKG), phosphorylate SERT, increasing its activity. "

its unclear to me if binding something to this transporter that has

an enzyme inhibiting ability would actually effect the synthesis of

neural nitric oxide but i believe it might.

ive read drug company propaganda about ssris having nuro regenerative

property's, they have studied people taking ssri's that had an mri

before they took then and found that areas of the brain structure

physically changed as a result of the medication.

this does not indicate regenerative property's, this is

plasticity " neuroplasticity " similar to what is seen as a result of a

brain injury form a stroke or trauma.

in these situations the damaged regions of brain are rewired, the

same thing is happening with the ssri's they deplete the neurons of

serotonin by trapping it between the synapse and moi destroys it!

as a result of this and the continuous electrical stimulation coupled

with a decrease in neurotransmitter density inside the neurons, the

neurons are growing new connections arround the ones effected by the

decrease in neurotransmitter, probably many much smaller connections

are grown as a result of the deficiency in an attempt to compensate.

in effect hardwiring the associated pathways with much smaller much

more efficient connections, that require much less serotonin to

operate.

when you come of the ssri, your dietary tryptophan converts to

serotonin as it normally would, but the ssri is not preventing the re

uptake as it was when you were on the ssri.

in effect this is then flooding the smaller more efficient

connections that were made by the ssri, giving the feeling of still

being on the drug well after stopping!

all your other brains pathways are not this efficient and it would be

hard to change the way your thinking from one way to another. its an

amplified circuit thats hard wired.

this is why i think they say it takes a while for a therapeutic dose

to be achieved, because it takes a while for these new connections to

grow.

is there a drug that stops the conversion of tryptophan to serotonin?

> >

> > so its not possible to dissect the brain of a rat to see how

serotonin

> > is in its neurons?

>

[Guest guest]

I've been looking into the toxidity of ssris. I'm wondering if it is

the toxic content of ssris that causes PSSD?

1. SSRIS have various potentially tosic effects.

a. SSRI's cause cortisol to rise (not fall). Cortisol is the stress

hormone. When cortisol raises to very high levels it can damage the

neurons. It can also make it difficult for the neurons to repair

themselves.

b. SSRI's can cause serotonin syndrome. I think most men with PSSD

have probably had this at some point. This is where you are very hot,

dehydrated etc and need water. There has been little research into

the long term toxic effects of serotonin syndrome as far as I can

see. But surely this can impair cetain neurons as well?

c. SSRI's also impair nitric oxide synthase. Scientists have proven

that nitric oxide synthase is vital for men to get erections.

2. Most men recover from these efects within 6 months. However, could

it be possible that some men get into a downward spiral, whereby

secondary illnesses are caused, and therefore it is very difficult to

break out of the pssd?

a. Men with PSSD will have impaired dopamine, serotonin, and

neuroadrenaline neurons. This in itself leads to lowered libido,

energy and secondary depression. For men with PSSD it seems to be

particularly difficult to restore these neurons properly.

b. The problems with serotonin, dopamine and adrenaline could also

lead to higher levels of cortisol. This in turn damaages the neuorns

again and leads to a downward spiral. High cortisol levels may kill

neuons such as dopamine and serotonin etc. High cortisol levels may

also intefere with Nitric Oxide synthase I beleive.

c. Levles of hitamines and other nasties are likely to be much

higher, and rising. This in turn will lead to lowered " free

testosterone, " secondary depression, lack of energy and concentration

etc.

d. Lots of other problems, that you may not often think about occur

due to damged neurotransmittors. eg, the inability to cry causes

raised coistorl, prolactin etc. The low dopamine causes ineffective

exercise leading to higher coistorol in the evening.

e. Of course, prolactin levels are laos raised by lack of dopamine,

leading to furhter problems with the libido.

I have not included all the citings for articles that I have looked

at. A lot of my links don't seem to work for a lot of people. Then

again, all I have really done is put together information that we

were all already aware of. I am aware that this post is a bit

amateurish. However, even if you have different views on pssd I hope

you can see that this might help some people. It is also a fairly

simple scintific argument that could work to our favour, ie. ssris

damage many neurons, leading to many secondary problems.

If what I am suggesting is ture, then I think sufferers of PSSD would

have to take many steps to improve their condition.

1. Lower cortisol levels, by taking stablon, or possibly a herbal

treatment. Note that stablon also enhances nitric oxide synthase a

little nit.

2. Make sure you check for histamen and prolactin levels. Make sure

you lower both.

3. Try to improve the damaged neurons. This will be easier once you

have eliminated prolactin, histamines and cortisol I believe. I am

actually beggining to think that vigorous exercise is the best way to

do this. running and weight lifting has been shown to be

particullarly good. I suppose also an adaptogen? Note that this type

of exercise also enhances nitric oxide synthase a little bit. Maybe

take an adaptogen at the same time?

4. Try other ways to improve nitric oxide synthase, for instance by

taking certain herbal treatments like wheat germ.

It might be possible that you could break out of PSSD, or at least

improve it a lot by using these methods. I should note that a lot of

men who have partially recovered from PSSD seem to talk about

breaking out of PSSD by lowering stress and anxiety.

[Guest guest]

I think that you have mentioned an inability to cry several times. That is one of the primary side effects of celexa, that I noticed years before I had pssd. It's amazing in how many ways these drugs can harm our mind-body.

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

yeah we have just had a run on a bank in the uk " northern rock " the

governments bailed them out of trouble and it looks like they are

going to nationalise it.

so i take it you think my idea of setting up some sort of consortium

and buying shares in all the major drug company's could be a

plausible way of policing them and possibly getting hold of

information that they keep under lock and key?

remember they are a business and there accounts need to be

legitimate, if money was spent they have to declare where they spent

it!

i believe this would at least point to money being spent on research

that was never made public!

>

> > im thinking this, all these pharmaceutical company's are care

about

> > is there share prices!

> >

> > and the governments turn a blind eye to there sinister doings

because

> > of there share prices!

> >

> > i ask you this, what if we were share holders?

>

[Guest guest]

the link wont work, im in the uk so i dont think i could sign it

anyway.

but if a can get the link working and i will sign it!

p.s the rats need to be dissected well after 1 hour, if they were 1

week later it would definitely show that the drug has actually

decreased the ammount or serotonin in the brain, i would bet my life

savings on this!

> > > >

> > > > ive started this top to discuss possible experiments to prove

the

> > > > existence pssd or any detrimental effects of ssri's.

> > > >

> > > > i think an experiment could be carried out on rodents, two

twin

> > rats

> > > > one fed ssris and one fed no srris.(for different periods of

time)

> > > >

> > > > the brains of the rats could then be dissected to see if the

ssri

> > has

> > > > actually decreased the amount of neurotransmitters that it is

> > > > supposed to correct a deficiency of. (i think an experiment

of

> > this

> > > > kind would reveal interesting results and probably detect

> > detrimental

> > > > effects on neurotransmitter volume)

> > > >

> > > > if we could set up a fundraising or donation scheme, we could

> > > > commission our own research and possibly prove the

detrimental

> > > > effects of srris and get them banned.

> > > >

> > > > another thing that can be look at is the detrimental effects

of

> > > > fluorine in the ssri's and possible damaging effects of this.

> > > >

> > > > i know this sounds grim but we could also donate our own

body's

> > if

> > > > any of us passes over to the other side.

> > > >

> > > > i would do this, this could lead to evidence of possible

damage

> > made

> > > > by srris on organs and various tissues through out the human

body.

> > > > (i know this isnt a nice thing to think about but do so for a

> > minute,

> > > > when you die your dead. what difference will it make to you

if

> > > > someone chopped up your body before your left for worms to

eat or

> > > > burnt to ashes? there's the possibility you will be chopped

up in

> > any

> > > > case before your made into ashes or food for worms by a post

> > mortem)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > it could even lead to proof that the ssri actually stays in

the

> > body

> > > > long after discontinuing them, possibly in the brain and

possibly

> > in

> > > > other organs which the prostate is a likely prospect of.

> > > >

> > > > i truly believe these drugs actually decrease the ammount of

> > brain

> > > > chemicals that they are supposed to be treating a deficiency

of!

> > > > (and i dont think it would be difficult to prove, after the

rite

> > line

> > > > line of research)

> > > >

> > > > i think something like this a possibility if we work together

to

> > > > achieve this goal, if we dont try it will never happen and

the

> > people

> > > > responsible will never be held to account!

> > > >

> > > > we all deserve massive amounts of compensation for whats

happened

> > to

> > > > us!

> > > >

> > > > we will never get this if something like this is never

attempted.

> > > >

> > > > this has happened to us and its the ssri that has done it, i

> > believe

> > > > it can be proven!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" its unclear to me if binding something to this transporter that has

an enzyme inhibiting ability would actually effect the synthesis of

neural nitric oxide but i believe it might. "

Right, the ezymes in the brain and body are required to balance

hormones as and neurochemicals. If the enzymes are deficient, or

increased, it throws the bablce off. Or if exogenous chemicals are

binding to them it has an effect of preventing them from metabolizing

hormones or chemicals. These drugs could have permanantly altered the

balance, the same thing happens to woman on the birth control pill.

" ive read drug company propaganda about ssris having nuro regenerative

property's, they have studied people taking ssri's that had an mri

before they took then and found that areas of the brain structure

physically changed as a result of the medication.

this does not indicate regenerative property's, this is

plasticity " neuroplasticity " similar to what is seen as a result of a

brain injury form a stroke or trauma. "

Right, the drug company's (the cartel) are inventing all sorts of lies

to convince doctors that these drugs are good for people.

The only substances that truly have the effect of neuro-regeneration

are growth hormones/peptides such as: NGF, GDNF.

You are probably correct about the pysical changes of the medication

are a compensating effect of the damaged caused. The big pharma claim

is basically the same thing as saying that alcohol is an

anti-depressant because the first one or two drinks cause a raising of

dopamine. (this is actually the brains reaction to compensate for the

depressant effect) The cartel has made it a routine practice to make

these claims by reversing the actual cause and effect found in

clinical research.

[Guest guest]

This is a good post about putting the puzzle together.

I know that taking Lion's Mane and Royal Jelly at night and excersize

duting the day will help repair the brain. I know that niacin will

open the blood vessels and lower cholesterol. I know that some toxic

residues are stored in fat.

Shay found a way to lower the cortisol and histamine levels. I don't

remember exactly what those things were though.

Lowering prolactin and raising dopamine is a tricky thing to figure

out though. Anything I've found only has a temporary effect.

There is cabergoline that will do a good job at this, but I've

experienced that the return of the libido from cabergoline and requip

was only temporary. These drugs are just agonists, so they must have

caused some shutdown in the dopamine pathways.

That's why I think Royal Jelly is a better substance because it

stimulates endogenous synthesis of GDNF which will grow dopamine

neurons. But it takes a long time. I'm still looking for something

more potent.

>

> I've been looking into the toxidity of ssris. I'm wondering if it is

> the toxic content of ssris that causes PSSD?

>

> 1. SSRIS have various potentially tosic effects.

> a. SSRI's cause cortisol to rise (not fall). Cortisol is the stress

> hormone. When cortisol raises to very high levels it can damage the

> neurons. It can also make it difficult for the neurons to repair

> themselves.

>

> b. SSRI's can cause serotonin syndrome. I think most men with PSSD

> have probably had this at some point. This is where you are very hot,

> dehydrated etc and need water. There has been little research into

> the long term toxic effects of serotonin syndrome as far as I can

> see. But surely this can impair cetain neurons as well?

>

> c. SSRI's also impair nitric oxide synthase. Scientists have proven

> that nitric oxide synthase is vital for men to get erections.

>

> 2. Most men recover from these efects within 6 months. However, could

> it be possible that some men get into a downward spiral, whereby

> secondary illnesses are caused, and therefore it is very difficult to

> break out of the pssd?

> a. Men with PSSD will have impaired dopamine, serotonin, and

> neuroadrenaline neurons. This in itself leads to lowered libido,

> energy and secondary depression. For men with PSSD it seems to be

> particularly difficult to restore these neurons properly.

> b. The problems with serotonin, dopamine and adrenaline could also

> lead to higher levels of cortisol. This in turn damaages the neuorns

> again and leads to a downward spiral. High cortisol levels may kill

> neuons such as dopamine and serotonin etc. High cortisol levels may

> also intefere with Nitric Oxide synthase I beleive.

> c. Levles of hitamines and other nasties are likely to be much

> higher, and rising. This in turn will lead to lowered " free

> testosterone, " secondary depression, lack of energy and concentration

> etc.

> d. Lots of other problems, that you may not often think about occur

> due to damged neurotransmittors. eg, the inability to cry causes

> raised coistorl, prolactin etc. The low dopamine causes ineffective

> exercise leading to higher coistorol in the evening.

> e. Of course, prolactin levels are laos raised by lack of dopamine,

> leading to furhter problems with the libido.

>

> I have not included all the citings for articles that I have looked

> at. A lot of my links don't seem to work for a lot of people. Then

> again, all I have really done is put together information that we

> were all already aware of. I am aware that this post is a bit

> amateurish. However, even if you have different views on pssd I hope

> you can see that this might help some people. It is also a fairly

> simple scintific argument that could work to our favour, ie. ssris

> damage many neurons, leading to many secondary problems.

>

> If what I am suggesting is ture, then I think sufferers of PSSD would

> have to take many steps to improve their condition.

>

> 1. Lower cortisol levels, by taking stablon, or possibly a herbal

> treatment. Note that stablon also enhances nitric oxide synthase a

> little nit.

>

> 2. Make sure you check for histamen and prolactin levels. Make sure

> you lower both.

>

> 3. Try to improve the damaged neurons. This will be easier once you

> have eliminated prolactin, histamines and cortisol I believe. I am

> actually beggining to think that vigorous exercise is the best way to

> do this. running and weight lifting has been shown to be

> particullarly good. I suppose also an adaptogen? Note that this type

> of exercise also enhances nitric oxide synthase a little bit. Maybe

> take an adaptogen at the same time?

>

> 4. Try other ways to improve nitric oxide synthase, for instance by

> taking certain herbal treatments like wheat germ.

>

> It might be possible that you could break out of PSSD, or at least

> improve it a lot by using these methods. I should note that a lot of

> men who have partially recovered from PSSD seem to talk about

> breaking out of PSSD by lowering stress and anxiety.

>

[Guest guest]

In the United States, the main problem with the regulators is that no

law exists that requires the pharma drug cartel to give all the

research to the FDA and medical community. The drug company's have

plenty of negative data about these drugs that never get released

before the drugs get approved. If the data was released, none of these

drugs would ever have gotten approved in the first place.

We should create a petition to create this law.

There is something in USA called FOIA-Freedom Of In formation Act,

that when requested, the authority's will go into the vaults of the

cartel and get this information. This is how Eli Lilly was busted for

making false claims in the PI sheet about the Zyprexa risk of causing

diabetes. Eli Lilly also covered up it's own research that showed that

people taking prozac are 12X more likely to commit suicide than people

already on other anti-depressants. The marketing scam convinced the

world and the rest of the cartel that it was a miricle pill for

depression so all the other companies created the " me-too " SSRI drugs

that are just as bad. These are not isolated incidents. It is routine

among all the big players of the pharma drug cartel.

In the United States the FOIA is the tool that will show that research

with negative results that are hidden from the public and doctors.

There should also be a law created that requires these drugs to be

investigated by a non-biased third party. Because as long as there is

a bias, there will always be lies and manipulation to push dangerous

drugs.

I don't know if the UK has a law like the FOIA.

Check it out. There should be a petition to create a law for total

disclosure of all clinical studies, in all coutries.

With all the information proving that the cartel is a brutal currupt

machine that is murdering people by the millions, it should be the

truth that wins. But that doesn't appear to be happening yet because

the cartel owns the government.

>

> yeah we have just had a run on a bank in the uk " northern rock " the

> governments bailed them out of trouble and it looks like they are

> going to nationalise it.

>

> so i take it you think my idea of setting up some sort of consortium

> and buying shares in all the major drug company's could be a

> plausible way of policing them and possibly getting hold of

> information that they keep under lock and key?

>

> remember they are a business and there accounts need to be

> legitimate, if money was spent they have to declare where they spent

> it!

>

> i believe this would at least point to money being spent on research

> that was never made public!

>

[Guest guest]

im glad you agree survivor, i think its two or three major things the

depletion of serotonin from the serotonin neurons and possibly some

dopamine from dopamine neurons, coupled with the the initial decrease

in nitric oxide synthesis as a result of serotonin re uptake

inhibition. (serotonin re uptake releases nitric oxide) and the

effects of fluorine bound to the serotonin transporter stopping the

little serotonin that does re uptake synthesising neural nitric oxide.

> " its unclear to me if binding something to this transporter that has

> an enzyme inhibiting ability would actually effect the synthesis of

> neural nitric oxide but i believe it might. "

>

> Right, the ezymes in the brain and body are required to balance

> hormones as and neurochemicals. If the enzymes are deficient, or

> increased, it throws the bablce off. Or if exogenous chemicals are

> binding to them it has an effect of preventing them from

metabolizing

> hormones or chemicals. These drugs could have permanantly altered

the

> balance, the same thing happens to woman on the birth control pill.

>

> " ive read drug company propaganda about ssris having nuro

regenerative

> property's, they have studied people taking ssri's that had an mri

> before they took then and found that areas of the brain structure

> physically changed as a result of the medication.

> this does not indicate regenerative property's, this is

> plasticity " neuroplasticity " similar to what is seen as a result of

a

> brain injury form a stroke or trauma. "

>

> Right, the drug company's (the cartel) are inventing all sorts of

lies

> to convince doctors that these drugs are good for people.

> The only substances that truly have the effect of neuro-regeneration

> are growth hormones/peptides such as: NGF, GDNF.

> You are probably correct about the pysical changes of the medication

> are a compensating effect of the damaged caused. The big pharma

claim

> is basically the same thing as saying that alcohol is an

> anti-depressant because the first one or two drinks cause a raising

of

> dopamine. (this is actually the brains reaction to compensate for

the

> depressant effect) The cartel has made it a routine practice to make

> these claims by reversing the actual cause and effect found in

> clinical research.

>

[Guest guest]

there is a law over here that is the same as that " freedoms of

information act " its just bullshit though your not entitled to

anything that would legally condem them.

" There should also be a law created that requires these drugs to be

investigated by a non-biased third party. "

i agree with this its this that is needed more than anything!

but there's one thing you have to look out for, who pays for the 3rd

party?

i suppose there could be a value added tax on all pharmaceuticals

sold that directly goes to the 3rd party, but then that organisation

could be corrupt and just take the money and get bigger and bigger.

i think its possible for an organisation to be set up that receives

voluntary donations from the public, this organization buys a

percentage of shares in all the major drug manufacturers, this would

give them access to the internal research thats hidden away, they

could all be exposes this way because they have to keep accountancy

records for what they have spent money on!

this would expose if they have spent millions on research somewhere

and got nothing to show for it.

> >

> > yeah we have just had a run on a bank in the uk " northern rock "

the

> > governments bailed them out of trouble and it looks like they are

> > going to nationalise it.

> >

> > so i take it you think my idea of setting up some sort of

consortium

> > and buying shares in all the major drug company's could be a

> > plausible way of policing them and possibly getting hold of

> > information that they keep under lock and key?

> >

> > remember they are a business and there accounts need to be

> > legitimate, if money was spent they have to declare where they

spent

> > it!

> >

> > i believe this would at least point to money being spent on

research

> > that was never made public!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ive just thought of some other experiments to be done, this one is

easy and cheap.

someone should get there sperm count and quality checked before ssri,

whilst and after.

this could be evidence to prove this shit damages your reproductive

organs, they could also check the sperm sample under microscope to

see if any of the actual ssri gets in the seamen and testes.

i think this would be a cheap thing to get done as equipment to do

this are in many fertility clinic's. (and its not expensive)

if it could be proven that this shit permanently effects the quality

of your sperm, you could sue them!

>

> ive started this top to discuss possible experiments to prove the

> existence pssd or any detrimental effects of ssri's.

>

> i think an experiment could be carried out on rodents, two twin

rats

> one fed ssris and one fed no srris.(for different periods of time)

>

> the brains of the rats could then be dissected to see if the ssri

has

> actually decreased the amount of neurotransmitters that it is

> supposed to correct a deficiency of. (i think an experiment of this

> kind would reveal interesting results and probably detect

detrimental

> effects on neurotransmitter volume)

>

> if we could set up a fundraising or donation scheme, we could

> commission our own research and possibly prove the detrimental

> effects of srris and get them banned.

>

> another thing that can be look at is the detrimental effects of

> fluorine in the ssri's and possible damaging effects of this.

>

> i know this sounds grim but we could also donate our own body's if

> any of us passes over to the other side.

>

> i would do this, this could lead to evidence of possible damage

made

> by srris on organs and various tissues through out the human body.

> (i know this isnt a nice thing to think about but do so for a

minute,

> when you die your dead. what difference will it make to you if

> someone chopped up your body before your left for worms to eat or

> burnt to ashes? there's the possibility you will be chopped up in

any

> case before your made into ashes or food for worms by a post mortem)

>

>

> it could even lead to proof that the ssri actually stays in the

body

> long after discontinuing them, possibly in the brain and possibly

in

> other organs which the prostate is a likely prospect of.

>

> i truly believe these drugs actually decrease the ammount of brain

> chemicals that they are supposed to be treating a deficiency of!

> (and i dont think it would be difficult to prove, after the rite

line

> line of research)

>

> i think something like this a possibility if we work together to

> achieve this goal, if we dont try it will never happen and the

people

> responsible will never be held to account!

>

> we all deserve massive amounts of compensation for whats happened

to

> us!

>

> we will never get this if something like this is never attempted.

>

> this has happened to us and its the ssri that has done it, i

believe

> it can be proven!

>

[Guest guest]

These experiments are already done. It is routine to do this test

before drugs are released. Read the PDR!

>

> ive just thought of some other experiments to be done, this one is

> easy and cheap.

>

> someone should get there sperm count and quality checked before ssri,

> whilst and after.

>

[Guest guest]

what was the conclusion then?

whats the pdr?

> >

> > ive just thought of some other experiments to be done, this one

is

> > easy and cheap.

> >

> > someone should get there sperm count and quality checked before

ssri,

> > whilst and after.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" this creates a depletion of neurotransmitter in the actual neurons

i.e there's less there for you brain to release and use after you

stop taking them. (a chemical lobotomy) "

Would this actually create a decrease in intellual function/ability? Is

seratonin responsible for that? Directly or indirectly? I'm asking because I

don't know.

" it could even lead to proof that the ssri actually stays in the

> body

> > > long after discontinuing them, possibly in the brain and possibly

> in

> > > other organs which the prostate is a likely prospect of. "

This also caught my eye, I'm wondering about this prostate connection?

> > >

> > > ive started this top to discuss possible experiments to prove the

> > > existence pssd or any detrimental effects of ssri's.

> > >

> > > i think an experiment could be carried out on rodents, two twin

> rats

> > > one fed ssris and one fed no srris.(for different periods of time)

> > >

> > > the brains of the rats could then be dissected to see if the ssri

> has

> > > actually decreased the amount of neurotransmitters that it is

> > > supposed to correct a deficiency of. (i think an experiment of

> this

> > > kind would reveal interesting results and probably detect

> detrimental

> > > effects on neurotransmitter volume)

> > >

> > > if we could set up a fundraising or donation scheme, we could

> > > commission our own research and possibly prove the detrimental

> > > effects of srris and get them banned.

> > >

> > > another thing that can be look at is the detrimental effects of

> > > fluorine in the ssri's and possible damaging effects of this.

> > >

> > > i know this sounds grim but we could also donate our own body's

> if

> > > any of us passes over to the other side.

> > >

> > > i would do this, this could lead to evidence of possible damage

> made

> > > by srris on organs and various tissues through out the human body.

> > > (i know this isnt a nice thing to think about but do so for a

> minute,

> > > when you die your dead. what difference will it make to you if

> > > someone chopped up your body before your left for worms to eat or

> > > burnt to ashes? there's the possibility you will be chopped up in

> any

> > > case before your made into ashes or food for worms by a post

> mortem)

> > >

> > >

> > > it could even lead to proof that the ssri actually stays in the

> body

> > > long after discontinuing them, possibly in the brain and possibly

> in

> > > other organs which the prostate is a likely prospect of.

> > >

> > > i truly believe these drugs actually decrease the ammount of

> brain

> > > chemicals that they are supposed to be treating a deficiency of!

> > > (and i dont think it would be difficult to prove, after the rite

> line

> > > line of research)

> > >

> > > i think something like this a possibility if we work together to

> > > achieve this goal, if we dont try it will never happen and the

> people

> > > responsible will never be held to account!

> > >

> > > we all deserve massive amounts of compensation for whats happened

> to

> > > us!

> > >

> > > we will never get this if something like this is never attempted.

> > >

> > > this has happened to us and its the ssri that has done it, i

> believe

> > > it can be proven!

> > >

> >

>