Re: Tell me why I shouldn't kill myself.

July 31, 2008

Today is all that matters---and you have a choice to make this moment, this day worthwhile or not. Have you read the book Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle---or his other one, A New Earth? Get them and see what you think. You would not be doing yourself or anyone else a favor by dying right now. That would be a huge loss. Just BE. Pick up either of those books and give them a read. All the best!

Subject: Tell me why I shouldn't kill myself.To: SSRIsex Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 11:02 AM

That's it. Tell me why I should keep living.

July 31, 2008

If you really are this depressed, you should perhaps get BACK on some meds, there are anti-depressants that work that are not SSRI's. You should atleast talk to someone about this. If you are this upset about it I am sure there are some doctors out there that would be more than glad to attempt to help you.Today is all that matters---and you have a choice to make this moment, this day worthwhile or not. Have you read the book Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle---or his other one, A New Earth? Get them and see what you think. You would not be doing yourself or anyone else a favor by dying right now. That would be a huge loss. Just BE. Pick up either of those books and give them a read. All the best!From: mrmanguy84 <mrmanguy84>Subject: Tell me why I shouldn't kill myself.To: SSRIsex Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 11:02 AMThat's it. Tell me why I should keep living.

July 31, 2008

I too have suffered from this as well as Fibromyalgia. You should think of these things on a higher level. When it does subside you will be a great source of knowledge for others. Your own mind will be much improved. Hard to explain until you have been there. You will have a tremendous sense of discernment. And you will stop putting up with Bull Shit.

Don't take your life, be calm and mellow in knowing what is yet to come and the intellect that adjoins it.

Judy

Tell me why I shouldn't kill myself.To: SSRIsex Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 11:02 AM

That's it. Tell me why I should keep living.

July 31, 2008

> That's it. Tell me why I should keep living.

I don't know why you shouldn't kill yourself. I'm not you. I'll tell

you why I shouldn't.

There is a life after death and I screw this life if I kill myself.

That's as simple as that.

Other than that, our planet is indeed a crazy slavery camp and I've

never heard of slaves being blamed for suicide, at least in this life.

In the other life, chances are there is no excuse for coming in by

suicide, even having been a slave.

Antidepressants are just a tool for ruling the slaves that we are so I

would not expect much beside deception. And that's really the problem:

deception. It wouldn't be so hard to be a slave if at least people

around me wouldn't be brainwashed to like their slavery condition.

That's what makes it so difficult.

I think a possible solution would be to get into BDSM as a submissive

participant and to learn to enjoy sex this way. Associating pleasure

with submission is a definite path to explore, for adapting to our

civilisation, once we get over the deception, the mind-programming,

and once we know for sure that we can't go back to sleep (in terms of

counsciousness).

Nice video as a complement to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kGD14tDxa4

July 31, 2008

I've had those thoughts too. I know this really sucks. But we need to

stick together. We don't want to lose any more people from this.

Psychiatry is a war on humanity. Don't let them win.

Please stick around. There must be a way to make things better.

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July 31, 2008

Here are some good things for depression that aren't drugs.

5-HTP

SAM-E

Forskolin

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July 31, 2008

Earlier I posted a link that described how serotonin reuptake in the

hypothalamus causes a lowering of the messenger hormone called

luteinizing hormone or LH. Luteinizing hormone normally signals the

testes to produce more testosterone when the body is deficient. The

SSRI interferes with this signalling and causes the subsequent drop of

LH and testosterone across the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Gonadal axis or HPG.

I believe most of the members of this group can't get aroused, achieve

erections or orgasms due primarily to low testosterone.

I know this has been covered before on this group and that's why I

wonder why people are still so pessimistic if not suicidal about their

predicament. I feel that due to the online research we have all

contributed here that we should see some light at the end of the tunnel.

I feel much better than I did a year ago and I think it has to do with

recognizing the importance of using serotonin antagonists like

nefazodone or mirtazapine to counteract the effects that SSRI's have

on the 5HT receptors in the hypothalamus.

I haven't tried the mirtazapine yet, but will tomorrow based on half a

dozen studies that say it has had a clinically significant effect on

reversing what we refer to here as PSSD.

I've also tried low doses Yohimbine HCL which is an antagonist at the

5HT1A and 5HT1B receptors. I think this works as well, but you have to

use it over several days. Its curative effect for PSSD is not due to

its aphrodisiac effect as an alpha1 adrenoreceptor antagonist

(although that helps) but because it blockades to some extent the

5HT1A/B receptors from the influence of serotonin. I took just one

capsule 2.5mg/day over several days. It makes you feel nervous and

probably not great for the heart, but also made me feel flat, dull

and.....depressed! but my face felt like it had more oil, moisture

whatever in it and I felt more libido. This all makes sense to me. My

libido returns along with depression becuase I have reversed the PSSD

and undone the positive effect of Prozac. I'd rather work throug

depression some other way and regain my libido andyway than be jacked

up and pill-happy without sex drive.

Hang in there and maybe try an antagonist, but if you use Yohimbine

Hydrochloride, use a small amount over a week or two. I also suggest

using it alone without any other stimulants like tea coffee etc.

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July 31, 2008

Judy is so right--I've just come through a massive dose of depression, no interest in sex, work and personal problems for the past 6 months. I felt my life was hopeless, was incredibly sad, and could NOT see how anything could get better. I cried every morning when I woke up, and was on meds, saw a psychiatrist---but still I felt I was going nowhere and even sinking fast. The only thing left for me was to turn to prayer. So I did just that. Nothing happened at first---but a slight shift in what I thought was necessary to be alive did. And what Judy mentioned here is really true---I am now so much better, I even see the possibility of joy---imagine---JOY----in my life (not there yet, but I can see it in the distance) but I do know that I am a much deeper and better person than I was 6 months (actually 1 year)

ago---and I know I can help others as I'm trying to help you---but the most important thing is: You are the one who must help yourself----try prayer---and with that, God will help you even more. Here is a prayer that helps me alot---it's to St. Jude, Patron Saint of Helpless/Hopeless cases: Most holy apostle, St. Jude, faithful servant and friend of Jesus, the Church honors and invokes you universally, as the patron of hopeless cases, of things almost despaired of. Pray for me, I am so helpless and alone. Make use I implore you, of that particular privilege given to you, to bring visible and speedy help where help is almost despaired of. Come to my assistance in this great need that I may receive the consolation and help of heaven in all my necessities, tribulations, and sufferings, particularly (here make your request) that I may praise God with you and all

the elect forever. I promise, O blessed St. Judce, to be ever mindful of this great favor, to always honor you as my special and powerful patron, and to gratefully encourage devotion to you. Amen.

From: mrmanguy84 <mrmanguy84yahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Tell me why I shouldn't kill myself.To: SSRIsex@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 11:02 AM

That's it. Tell me why I should keep living.

August 1, 2008

Reason s1. Medical breakthroughs may reverse this affliction2. When more information comes out about this condition, it will start a movement, and maybe we will get something out of it for being misled. Or at least see the people responsible burn for it, and you wouldn't want to miss that would you.Subject: Tell me why I shouldn't kill myself.To: SSRIsex Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 6:02 PM

That's it. Tell me why I should keep living.

August 2, 2008

Hi, it's my first time here....can you send me the link about how ssri

cause a lowering of LH....I need to know because I have irregular

menstruation problems.

Try Maca from www.medicine-plants.com (they source the best material)

for orgasm.

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August 2, 2008

Here is link:

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowFulltext & ProduktNr=\

223855 & Ausgabe=228090 & ArtikelNr=54596

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August 3, 2008

I didn't kill my self because SSRISalready killed my self (my soul). I onlycan kill my body, but if I do that I cannotrecover my soul on this earth anymore. Regards Re: Tell me why I

shouldn't kill myself.

Here is link:

http://content. karger.com/ ProdukteDB/ produkte. asp?Aktion= ShowFulltext & ProduktNr= 223855 & Ausgabe= 228090 & ArtikelNr =54596

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August 3, 2008

celebratelovejgd please start your own thread for your question.

Your response had nothing to do with why this member shouldn't kill

himself.

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> Hi, it's my first time here....can you send me the link about how ssri

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> Try Maca from www.medicine-plants.com (they source the best material)

> for orgasm.

August 3, 2008

I'm losing or have lost everything. My faith, my feelings, my

enthusiasm, my girl, my hope, my dick, my future.

In the meantime we don't seem to have found any solutions. Lots of

theories but no real cures. And why should we have found any? Nobody

really knows how SSRIs work in the first place. Is there really any

hope for us?

I really want to die. I'm trying to stay optimistic but I just don't

know why anymore. I'm sick of waiting for something to work and it

never does. So many doctors, drugs, treatments, weeks of nothing

happening while I wait and just get more side effects but no relief. I

don't know why I've been so cursed in this life.

-- Jon

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August 4, 2008

jon

believe me i know how you feel, i cycle through a couple of days when i

feel a tiny bit better and then a week or so when i just feel that my

life is not worth living. faith, motivation, positive view of the

future are all out of the window. a few people on here have recommended

some form of cbt to me and i think that this may be the way to go. you

don't necessarily have to have a therapist i don't think. for example,

today i am having a slightly better day so i am going to spend some

time writing a few things, a couple which are in my mind:

1. acceptance - and the fact that things may get better or not, but

more than likely will, given time.

2. other people and the bigger problems that they have to deal with.

i am hoping that i can print out some thoughts and read over them in my

darker times in order to help cope with my situation. and with regards

the physical aspects of pssd, just wait. it may be a long time, but

quite a few people have seen improvements, if not 100% recovery, in

time and believe me, if i were to get back 50% of what i had i will be

much happier and better off psychologically.

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> theories but no real cures. And why should we have found any? Nobody

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> I really want to die. I'm trying to stay optimistic but I just don't

> know why anymore. I'm sick of waiting for something to work and it

> never does. So many doctors, drugs, treatments, weeks of nothing

> happening while I wait and just get more side effects but no relief. I

> don't know why I've been so cursed in this life.

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August 4, 2008

Jon,

You speak of no solution in terms of weeks. That is a bit limiting don't you think?

Weeks? What happens in weeks? It takes about 12 years to obtain a solid professional

degree from college? Then a career of hands on learning while treating to really feel that you have obtained and deserve the degree. You realize that walking away from the podium with your diploma was a still wet behind the ears green horn that no one would have trusted being your first study. Please do give this recovery the time it takes to resolve.

No there is not a magic bullet just yet but we are getting much closer than even 1 year ago.

Many have improved like me. I am not 100% but I am soo much better than 2 years ago.

May I ask your age? I am in no way attempting to diminish your feelings but I do think that many of us who have been there and felt that way could lend some advice. No one wants to see you harm yourself or your loved ones. Have you opened up to your friend about the situation? If she is a real woman she understands more than you know. Don't think that you appear as less than a man because of the hurdle life has given you to jump over.

Life is not a cake walk for anyone. Some men are faced with impotence for life with no chance of reconnecting a severed spinal cord. I am not preaching but you have a future if you would just give it the time it takes to heal. Heck babies take nine months and then you are looking at 18 to 30 years of HEALING, LOL to get them on their feet.

Judy

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I'm losing or have lost everything. My faith, my feelings, myenthusiasm, my girl, my hope, my dick, my future.In the meantime we don't seem to have found any solutions. Lots oftheories but no real cures. And why should we have found any? Nobodyreally knows how SSRIs work in the first place. Is there really anyhope for us?I really want to die. I'm trying to stay optimistic but I just don'tknow why anymore. I'm sick of waiting for something to work and itnever does. So many doctors, drugs, treatments, weeks of nothinghappening while I wait and just get more side effects but no relief. Idon't know why I've been so cursed in this life.-- Jon> > > >> > > > That's it. Tell me why I should keep living.> > > >> > >> >>

August 5, 2008

Hey, Things will get better for you. It may take a few more years. i know that

seems like a

long way away but its worth the wait. ive been of ssri's for 4 years now, and my

sex has

improved over the last year or so. Better erections and orgasms, and alot more

sexual

thoughts, Our minds just need to reheal and re-learn

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August 5, 2008

Read websites or books about cognitive behavioral therapy. And try in

practice. Ot seek a CBT-therapist. This may really alleviate your

depression significantly, despite your troubles. All the best.

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> enthusiasm, my girl, my hope, my dick, my future.

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> theories but no real cures. And why should we have found any? Nobody

> really knows how SSRIs work in the first place. Is there really any

> hope for us?

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> I really want to die. I'm trying to stay optimistic but I just don't

> know why anymore. I'm sick of waiting for something to work and it

> never does. So many doctors, drugs, treatments, weeks of nothing

> happening while I wait and just get more side effects but no relief. I

> don't know why I've been so cursed in this life.

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> -- Jon

August 6, 2008

I speak in terms of weeks because that's how long it takes to see if

medications are doing anything. So every time something fails, it's

" here try this for several weeks and see if it does nothing, too. " The

emotional blunting is particularly awful. I really miss feeling

excited about things.

I'm seeing a therapist, yeah. I'm trying. I just want to get better.

I'm dying inside.

I'm only 23. I know that sounds awfully young but having a whole life

ahead of me is hardly comfort right now. My biggest fear is that I

continue to live and have to live the rest of my life like this.

Dying, on the other hand, doesn't sound that bad.

In the meantime, everything is passing me by. I always dreamed of

being at this point in my life - the college I wanted, with the hope

of girls actually liking me. Now it's all there but I can't taste any

of it. It's driving me crazy.

I met the most fantastic girl a while ago, and I thought maybe this

whole ordeal was so I'd end up with her. She was really into things

until I told her about my condition and then she sort of drifted

away... lately she's not talking to me, supposedly mad over something

I said later on but I really don't think I did anything so wrong. I

hope she comes back. But it's so maddening to have had a girl like

that - the sexiest girl I've ever met - and still barely feel anything

emotionally or otherwise. It just came as an extra big blow and I've

been having a lot of suicidal thoughts anyway...

I'm sorry if I sound melodramatic. I'm just really coming apart lately

and I'm trying to do the right thing by reaching out.

-- Jon

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August 8, 2008

I'm actually a very religious person, but lately I can't seem to shake

the feeling that God has just bailed on me. This is a really hard

challenge for me not only because my life feels so empty, but because

I'm certain that what God wants for me is to have a family. But in the

state I'm in, that's basically impossible - or at least it would be

horribly painful. So I get caught thinking that I've failed and that

God doesn't care to help me out, neverminding that a wife and family

was always my dream anyhow.

I guess there's always the concept that I just need to keep waiting.

I've tried hard to seek the Lord, I'm trying very hard to hang onto

promises that I believe the Lord has made in terms of my life and

recovery. But I also have experienced a lot of disappointment in my

short life, and sometimes it is very difficult to maintain faith that

I will get better. So it's all just really tough. I'm not sure what my

purpose is in this life if I don't recover, and it is difficult to

hang onto the hope that I will. I'm not sure how to move forward when

I don't really feel joy anymore. It seems like the cruelest of states

and it's led me to a lot of unsettling religious questions I hadn't

fully considered before.

Still, I still believe. I can't bring myself not to. I'm not some kind

of prophet or something, but I've had some experiences that I just

can't deny.

Send me an email if you'd like to talk about it some more

(mrmanguy84@...). Thanks Mark.

-- Jon

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August 8, 2008

I wondered about this myself as my LH and Testosterone levels haven't

been fantastic. However, I got a testosterone shot a while back and it

didn't do anything. So while this may be part of the problem, it's

apparently not always the whole thing.

-- Jon

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August 8, 2008

Jon, God never bails on you---that's Satan's way of making you think that. God never bails. He's at your right side right now. I'm a moderate Catholic and not a ultra-religious fanatic---but I do know that without God in my life----I couldn't have handled my depression and issues without Him....and believe me, I tried! I didn't want God to take over my problems---I'm a big enough dude to handle them on my own......WRONG..........I'd be happy to help if you'd let mel.....as I've been through rough times but know that, for a fact, you'll be just fine as well.

My email addy is mark200457@... and the book i recommend you read RIGHT NOW is called The Power of Now, by Eckhart Tolle. There's a ton of you-tube sites on him and even a lecture series associated with the book----Oprah is a huge fan of his. He's a simple, straightforward man---no razzz ma-tazzz about him. Down to earth and decent fellow. Start with that book first---read it slow----. His second book A New Earth is also good, but I tend to like the first one the bet. Unfortunatley I have to catch a bus to work---but will have more time when I get back from work.

Hang in there my friend. You're gonna be just fine. And lots of good ppl here too who care about you. WE love you Jon. Don't give up. Mark

Subject: Re: Tell me why I shouldn't kill myself.To: SSRIsex Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 4:09 PM

I'm actually a very religious person, but lately I can't seem to shakethe feeling that God has just bailed on me. This is a really hardchallenge for me not only because my life feels so empty, but becauseI'm certain that what God wants for me is to have a family. But in thestate I'm in, that's basically impossible - or at least it would behorribly painful. So I get caught thinking that I've failed and thatGod doesn't care to help me out, neverminding that a wife and familywas always my dream anyhow.I guess there's always the concept that I just need to keep waiting.I've tried hard to seek the Lord, I'm trying very hard to hang ontopromises that I believe the Lord has made in terms of my life andrecovery. But I also have experienced a lot of disappointment in myshort life, and sometimes it is very difficult to maintain faith thatI will get better. So it's all just really tough. I'm not sure what

mypurpose is in this life if I don't recover, and it is difficult tohang onto the hope that I will. I'm not sure how to move forward whenI don't really feel joy anymore. It seems like the cruelest of statesand it's led me to a lot of unsettling religious questions I hadn'tfully considered before.Still, I still believe. I can't bring myself not to. I'm not some kindof prophet or something, but I've had some experiences that I justcan't deny.Send me an email if you'd like to talk about it some more(mrmanguy84yahoo (DOT) com). Thanks Mark.-- Jon> > > > > >> > > > > > That's it. Tell

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August 9, 2008

ive sorta given up on the concept of god after pssdSubject: Re: Tell me why I shouldn't kill myself.To: SSRIsex Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 7:09 PM