Re: 5HTP/ testosterone/ bupropion etc.

[Guest guest]

im also in the uk, where are you getting the blood test online?

you can ring bupa and ask them to give you a quote for any diagnostic

test or investigation, if you want to go ahead with anything and they

want a referral from your doctor just ring them and tell them to put

you one in the post (you dont have to tell them what its for just

tell them to do it! and go get the tests you want)

>

> Hi everyone, I am new here, I would just like to give a few pieces

of

> adviice that I have picked up. Well I have talked to my family a

bit

> which was a bit difficult to talk about, but I was worried I was

gojng

> to kill myself within the next few weeks. I live in the Uk so it is

> very difficult for me to get help with our crappy (rated 27 out of

the

> whole of Europe) NHS service.

>

> I have started taking 5HTP, which may have stopped me from killing

> myself sooner.

>

> Now I feel a bit more " up " and have decided to actually find a

place

> that will give me a full screeing for free testosterone. I would

advise

> anyone in this group to do this, even if you have to pay £120

(probably

> more like $300 over there). Because I am ordering this blood test

> privately over the net, I think it will be pretty easy and I won't

have

> to go through too much shit to get it.

>

> I would also advise anyone who is suffering from this problem to

try

> somthing like 5HTP. Don't use soemthing liek St 's Wort, or go

back

> on the stronger meds.

>

> Also it is worht trying soemthing like bupropion in small doses.

>

> I'd just like to say thanks very much to Vornan for setting this

page

> up. I feel a bit better now than I did before.

>

> Also, remember that medical web page that got taken down? would it

be

> possible to consolidate some of the advice on thsi web page into an

> advice web page? This could be a list of things that have actually

> proven to work before, and tips on getting treatement etc.

>

[Guest guest]

I have found a place in Nottingham that will do tests for free

testosterone. Have you had a test already? how did it go if so? Here is

the website for the place I am planning on going

http://www.medichecks.com/aboutus.cfm

It is a blood test in Nottingham. If there are enough of us in the UK

getting blood tests done, this could potentially give us more strength

in numbers. If there were enough people with reports of low free

testosterone this could eventually lead to further publication.

[Guest guest]

are you sure thats not a saliva test there offering?

ive not had blood tests done yet, i rang bupa today to give me the

costs involved in the recommended blood tests that you are advised to

have in the faq section (click database left hand side of screen)

bacically it costs arround £50 for each blood test so its quite

expensive and they couldnt give me the costs for all of them as they

didn't know what i was on about when i asked about testosterone in

any other form than just testosterone (total) they also couldnt give

me a cost for dht, comprehensive metabolic panel, lipid panel,

homocysteine and i-gf1, these tests were not on there lists.

so your looking at about £1000 for the blood tests recommended here

that's about $2000.

>

> I have found a place in Nottingham that will do tests for free

> testosterone. Have you had a test already? how did it go if so?

Here is

> the website for the place I am planning on going

>

> http://www.medichecks.com/aboutus.cfm

>

> It is a blood test in Nottingham. If there are enough of us in the

UK

> getting blood tests done, this could potentially give us more

strength

> in numbers. If there were enough people with reports of low free

> testosterone this could eventually lead to further publication.

>

[Guest guest]

ive just got some more saliva tests done they indicate about a 20-25%

reduction in both testosterone and estradiol since my last test which

was 6 months before, i dont understand this because my pssd was

definitely worce 6 months ago.

[Guest guest]

Check out the ratio of Test to E. If it improved, that is a good sign.

Also there is a wide range of hormones involved that could indicate

changes. It's hard to assume that you could be headed for primary hypo

at this point with this much information.

What is your iatrogenic history?

>

> ive just got some more saliva tests done they indicate about a 20-25%

> reduction in both testosterone and estradiol since my last test which

> was 6 months before, i dont understand this because my pssd was

> definitely worce 6 months ago.

>

[Guest guest]

You should contact someone with better knowledge maybe?

I have one suggestion:

pssd makes things like prolactine, cortisol etc rise.

As these bad things rise, testosterone could drop?

Or maybe it is just the unpredictable hormone changes that we have?

Was it a test for free testosterone or just testosterone generally?

I think certain things cause free testosterone to drop eg. caffine

increases the sex binding globulin (another reason why we should not

drink caffine).

One thing that I think that this demonstrates is that sex drive is not

just determined by testosterone. Most specialists in this area are

aware that there are other factors at work, eg. serotonin, dopamine,

and maybe more mysterious hormone changes.

You know I once had a G.P who told me that on the NHS, they don't

believe that dopamine has any effect on libido! ridiculous, now go and

type in libido, dopamine on google and you will see what I mean.

I have found a particularly interesting article on this which I think

may be important. I will try to find it again this week. It is about

MDMA, cocaine and slepp deprivation. It includes some additional

hormones that we may not have thought of yet in this forum.

[Guest guest]

a saliva test measures free hormones, i thin the drop may have some

thing to do with saw palmetto, although where ever you read anything

about saw palmetto it says its an aphrodisiac and increases

testosterone.

the decrease hasn't effected my libido though its actually increaced

since i had the first test, i dont think the amount of testosterone

is as important that what people may think.

>

> You should contact someone with better knowledge maybe?

> I have one suggestion:

>

> pssd makes things like prolactine, cortisol etc rise.

> As these bad things rise, testosterone could drop?

>

> Or maybe it is just the unpredictable hormone changes that we have?

>

> Was it a test for free testosterone or just testosterone generally?

> I think certain things cause free testosterone to drop eg. caffine

> increases the sex binding globulin (another reason why we should

not

> drink caffine).

>

> One thing that I think that this demonstrates is that sex drive is

not

> just determined by testosterone. Most specialists in this area are

> aware that there are other factors at work, eg. serotonin,

dopamine,

> and maybe more mysterious hormone changes.

>

> You know I once had a G.P who told me that on the NHS, they don't

> believe that dopamine has any effect on libido! ridiculous, now go

and

> type in libido, dopamine on google and you will see what I mean.

>

> I have found a particularly interesting article on this which I

think

> may be important. I will try to find it again this week. It is

about

> MDMA, cocaine and slepp deprivation. It includes some additional

> hormones that we may not have thought of yet in this forum.

>

[Guest guest]

the testosterone has dropped from 120 to 94, estradiol dropped from

1.8 to 1.5.

the ratio of t to e should be 200 to 1.

ive been taking saw palmetto i think thats the culprit.

but ive had an increase in libido since that first test and things

are diffidently way better since then.

its gilberts syndrome thats causing the high e to t ratio, ive an

deficiency in a enzyme which breaks down estrogens, so i have higher

amounts circulating.

i was looking into aromatase inhibitors, i found out about Chrysin as

a natural one but this article rips it to pieces.

http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?page=LIST & ProdID=1208 & qid= & zTYPE=2

they are promoting another supplement for decreasing estrogen's by

activating enzymes which break it down, sounds perfect for my

condition.

but after reading this warning link about saw palmetto it also might

decrease testosterone as well as estrogen's.

http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archiveb/config.pl?read=106226

conflictiong information.

> >

> > ive just got some more saliva tests done they indicate about a 20-

25%

> > reduction in both testosterone and estradiol since my last test

which

> > was 6 months before, i dont understand this because my pssd was

> > definitely worce 6 months ago.

> >

>