Re: Any tests to confirm PSSD?

[Guest guest]

Why do you need validation via brain scans or blood tests? There is

mounting scientific consensus that SSRIs can cause long-term side

effects that persist long after the treatment has ceased. This is

rapidly becoming a common view amongst the scientists and researchers

who are experts on the serotonergic system of the brain. It is no

longer a fringe belief - soon all doctors will have to accept it.

But to answer your question, no, I am not aware of any scan that would

do what you want. The most likely cause of PSSD is permanently

desensitized or downregulated seratonin receptors (specifically the 5-

HT1a type) and there has been no brain imaging scans that i know of

that compare PSSD suffers before they had PSSD and after you received

it.

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> Would the damage to our bodies show up on any kind of test, such as a

> PET scan, MRI, blood tests, etc.? It would be nice to have some

> validation, even if it can't be treated.

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[Guest guest]

This is very far from the truth. It may be the case eventually, but we

are still a long way from any kind of " consensus " that SSRIs cause long-

term side-effects.

Vornan

> There is

> mounting scientific consensus that SSRIs can cause long-term side

> effects that persist long after the treatment has ceased. This is

> rapidly becoming a common view amongst the scientists and researchers

> who are experts on the serotonergic system of the brain. It is no

> longer a fringe belief - soon all doctors will have to accept it.

[Guest guest]

Very good suggestion, there has to be some type of brain scan. Unprovoked it will take years before anyone has the balls to pursue it. Kind of hard to get help from doctors who are constantly getting their palms greased.

Judy Deese

Any tests to confirm PSSD?

Would the damage to our bodies show up on any kind of test, such as aPET scan, MRI, blood tests, etc.? It would be nice to have somevalidation, even if it can't be treated.

[Guest guest]

I know there is. Although the expert opinion of those reading those

tests may be unreliable. This video shows brain scans. It mentions

cellular hypoxia, which reminds me, SSRI drugs cause that too.

This page has video picture links along the right side. Click the

picture of the colorful brain picture.

http://www.encognitive.com/videos/oxygen-therapy-videos-2008-sep-13.html

I'm starting to think that this oxygen therapy might cure PSSD.

I sent this guy an email...I'm waiting to hear from him.

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> Would the damage to our bodies show up on any kind of test, such as a

> PET scan, MRI, blood tests, etc.? It would be nice to have some

> validation, even if it can't be treated.

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[Guest guest]

Freedom of information?

Scientific fact and the treatment arena are two separate entity's.

The false assumption is that technology trickles down into standard

practice. i.e. Scientists have proven that psychiatric drugs are not

curing the fabled chemical imbalance, but that hasn't stopped the

medical workers from telling this lie to push drugs.

At least 80% of doctors still believe that they are getting good

scientific information from the dirty marketing cronies of the pharma

cartel. As long as the state keeps giving licenses to people this

naive, all scientific facts are a fringe belief.

Brain scans will at least show cellular hypoxia, and that is likely

related to PSSD.

(SSRI's cut off oxygen to the brain, just like alcohol)

And the serotonin down-regulation theory has no more scientific proof

than the chemical imbalance fraud.

There is nothing " selective " about SSRI drugs. That's also a marketing

fraud, not a scientific fact.

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> > Would the damage to our bodies show up on any kind of test, such as a

> > PET scan, MRI, blood tests, etc.? It would be nice to have some

> > validation, even if it can't be treated.

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[Guest guest]

Well do you mind naming what tests you are referring to? Since this

disorder is just beginning to gain acceptance in the mainstream

scientific community ( as the moderator pointed out, there is not yet

a consensus), I find your claims of a scientifically valid test to be

surprising.

Also, can you please state the scientific reasons why you think that

oxygen therapy would be causative of a decrease in symptoms

associated with SSRI usage?

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> > Would the damage to our bodies show up on any kind of test, such

as a

> > PET scan, MRI, blood tests, etc.? It would be nice to have some

> > validation, even if it can't be treated.

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[Guest guest]

Sure, I'm specifically referring to neuro-imaging technology.

I'm not saying there is a specific PSSD test.

If scientists do a meta-analysis of the currently available data on

how SSRI drugs change the brain, and compare the currently available

data on the brain regions involved in sexual function, they will find

the link. (cellular hypoxia is caused by SSRI drugs)

Oxygen therapy: reverses cellular hypoxia, and repairs

trauma/neurological injury.

Watch that video of the kid that was vegetated and discharged for no

improvement, only to get oxygen therapy which gave him the recovery to

respond, understand, talk, and walk again.

After seeing that, there must be hope for curing PSSD.

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> > > Would the damage to our bodies show up on any kind of test, such

> as a

> > > PET scan, MRI, blood tests, etc.? It would be nice to have some

> > > validation, even if it can't be treated.

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[Guest guest]

Well done survivor for your research and installing hope in us all.

Sounds like you really want to overcome this thing like I do - like

we all do. I have concerns about hydrogen peroxide though, I had

previously been led to believe that it's about as safe as drinking

bleach. But the YouTube videos were reassuring. I shall keep a

keen interest in it.

Kavy

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> > > > Would the damage to our bodies show up on any kind of test,

such

> > as a

> > > > PET scan, MRI, blood tests, etc.? It would be nice to have

some

> > > > validation, even if it can't be treated.

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[Guest guest]

Survivor, your original post claimed (at least the way I interpreted

it) that there was a PSSD-specific test but I am glad you clarified

that there is not. Brain imaging scans have been around for decades,

and are incredibly useful in neurological research. But currently

there is no PSSD-specific test,which is a shame. I agree that

eventually scientists will find such a test,and quite plausibly it

will be a PET or fMRI scan.

Hypoxia is caused by numerous things, including sleep apnea,

drowning, certain drugs, cardiovascular problems, etc. It may very

well be caused by SSRIs, but probably not in sufficient degree to be

truly neurotoxic. (drowning for example is very neurotoxic,

depriving cells of oxygen kills them in huge quantities). But until

you correlate hypoxia with sexual dysfunction, it is an implausible

strategy for treating SSRI. The fact that SSRIs cause hypoxia and

that SSRIs cause sexual dysfunction is NOT a logical basis for

assuming that treating hypoxia will treat sexual dysfunction.

I think it is very likely that PSSD is primarily due to long-term

desensitization of the serotonin receptor associated mainly with

libido and ejaculation ( the 5-HT1a receptor) and I think that if

people take an agent that enhances the number and potency of these

receptors it will treat PSSD.

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> > > > Would the damage to our bodies show up on any kind of test,

such

> > as a

> > > > PET scan, MRI, blood tests, etc.? It would be nice to have

some

> > > > validation, even if it can't be treated.

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[Guest guest]

I think this is plausible, but it might be an oversimplification. 5-

HT1a receptors might be desensitized long-term, but it appears as

though other receptor subtypes could be hyper-sensitized. That might

be why it's very hard to find anything to fix PSSD.

I've noticed from tests on myself that anything that raises serotonin

levels tends to have a negative effect on me as far as sexual function

goes. If all serotonin receptors were desensitized that shouldn't

happen. It's as though my whole body is hypersensitoive to the effects

of serotonin...

Vornan

> I think it is very likely that PSSD is primarily due to long-term

> desensitization of the serotonin receptor associated mainly with

> libido and ejaculation ( the 5-HT1a receptor) and I think that if

> people take an agent that enhances the number and potency of these

> receptors it will treat PSSD.

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much. It just seems to me that if they can make a

vegetable walk and talk again, there should be a way for us to restore

our functions too.

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> > > > > Would the damage to our bodies show up on any kind of test,

> such

> > > as a

> > > > > PET scan, MRI, blood tests, etc.? It would be nice to have

> some

> > > > > validation, even if it can't be treated.

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, supposedly. I tried it a couple of months ago and likewise it

had no effect on me at all.

Vornan

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> > I think this is plausible, but it might be an

oversimplification. 5-

> > HT1a receptors might be desensitized long-term, but it appears as

> > though other receptor subtypes could be hyper-sensitized. That

might

> > be why it's very hard to find anything to fix PSSD.

> >

> > I've noticed from tests on myself that anything that raises

serotonin

> > levels tends to have a negative effect on me as far as sexual

function

> > goes. If all serotonin receptors were desensitized that

shouldn't

> > happen. It's as though my whole body is hypersensitoive to the

effects

> > of serotonin...

> >

> > Vornan

> >

> > > I think it is very likely that PSSD is primarily due to long-

term

> > > desensitization of the serotonin receptor associated mainly

with

> > > libido and ejaculation ( the 5-HT1a receptor) and I think that

if

> > > people take an agent that enhances the number and potency of

these

> > > receptors it will treat PSSD.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear this is your third time losing your sex drive. Out of

curiosity, how did you

regain it the previous two times?

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> > > > > > Would the damage to our bodies show up on any kind of test,

> > such

> > > > as a

> > > > > > PET scan, MRI, blood tests, etc.? It would be nice to have

> > some

> > > > > > validation, even if it can't be treated.

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[Guest guest]

I tried the feverfew as well with no effect. One the other herbs I have

tried that is supposed to improve libido and sexual function is

goatweed. It actually did make me more easily aroused, but my anatomy

did not cooperate at all, in fact to the opposite. I was horny,

so-to-speak with an organ that drew up.

Vornan-19 (moderator) wrote:

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> Yeah, supposedly. I tried it a couple of months ago and likewise it

> had no effect on me at all.

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> Vornan

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> > > I think this is plausible, but it might be an

> oversimplification. 5-

> > > HT1a receptors might be desensitized long-term, but it appears as

> > > though other receptor subtypes could be hyper-sensitized. That

> might

> > > be why it's very hard to find anything to fix PSSD.

> > >

> > > I've noticed from tests on myself that anything that raises

> serotonin

> > > levels tends to have a negative effect on me as far as sexual

> function

> > > goes. If all serotonin receptors were desensitized that

> shouldn't

> > > happen. It's as though my whole body is hypersensitoive to the

> effects

> > > of serotonin...

> > >

> > > Vornan

> > >

> > > > I think it is very likely that PSSD is primarily due to long-

> term

> > > > desensitization of the serotonin receptor associated mainly

> with

> > > > libido and ejaculation ( the 5-HT1a receptor) and I think that

> if

> > > > people take an agent that enhances the number and potency of

> these

> > > > receptors it will treat PSSD.

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sure the first two times, I had minimal damage, but it was scary,

because libido was completely gone. The first time, I was 18, and it

was hormone (steroids) related, which corrected itself on it's own.

The second time was from a 6 day run on Zoloft. I was 28. Then I had

found a woman that I was 100% in love with, and the libido returned

just as strong as before.

This time is much more severe. I was given risperdal for 7 weeks. I

have disabling side effects. I take supplements that have helped my

overall health greatly, but I've realized that I can't stop taking

them, or the side effects come back just as bad.

I had a girlfriend a while ago, but I couldn't really love her. She

was a real nightmare. Hopefully I'll find a good woman soon.

Like the post above, alcohol makes me more social, and that plays a

definite factor in certain ways. It's easier to talk to woman, and

being more social regrows neuro-pathways involved in this.

I know this must be true since alcohol was involved frequently when I

was with the one I loved. And that lead to 100% improvement then.

This time is the worst kind of hell. I'm steadily tweaking things to

find the way back from this hell. I feel now, that being more social

helps rebuild the brain damage. I think oxygen therapy would

accelerate this process, but I haven't found a place to do it.

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> > > > > > > Would the damage to our bodies show up on any kind of test,

> > > such

> > > > > as a

> > > > > > > PET scan, MRI, blood tests, etc.? It would be nice to have

> > > some

> > > > > > > validation, even if it can't be treated.

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[Guest guest]

> Yes, SSRI's cause neurological damage no doubt.

Many PSSD patients should be examined with brain scans. That may help

to find a cure for PSSD.