Re: Re: OT: Pain control in TV show House:

[Guest guest]

Didn't you see the show where he got some Oxycontin under false

pretenses. I believe that the man who was supposed to get it had died.

Anyway, I guess House took it all at once, and found him passed

out on the floor.

The problem is that he's self-medicating. An old saying is that if you

doctor yourself, you have a fool for a doctor and a fool for a patient.

House is completely selfish and doesn't care how much trouble he gets

his friends into. This of course helps to make him a most interesting

character.

Sue

On Tuesday, December 19, 2006, at 07:36 PM, susan100250 wrote:

> With as much pain as he had, they should've had

> him on something else -- like oxycontin -- and monitored his drug use

> better. Oh, but that wouldn't make the story line so interesting,

> though!

>

[Guest guest]

> I'm very curious to see where the writers will take the story.

>

>

Thanks, .

Why is he in pain?

Pris

[Guest guest]

> Someone can use, even be dependent on a substance and not have it be

> necessarily a bad thing. It makes him functional.

>

Great point!

I have a problem in that I am afraid to take enough meds to kill my pain.

If I do, they cease to work!

What is the answer?

Pris

[Guest guest]

I don't know, Sue. I think the main problem is that House has severe,

chronic pain. Secondarily, he has been prescribed (aren't the other

physicians writing his prescriptions for him?) Vicodin when he should be

using a long-acting formulation of an opioid.

Then they cut him off from his Vicodin. Consequently, House had both the

pain and withdrawal to deal with, so he steals the OxyContin destined for a

dead man. That actually didn't bother me too much. How did the other

physicians think he could quit cold turkey? His pain wasn't just going to

magically disappear either. His actions were illegal, but were they immoral?

That he took so much of the OxyContin at once and then washed it down with

a lot of booze was disturbing. Was he trying to kill himself? Was that a

farewell phone call to his mother? I don't think so, but he's such a

troubled character, it could be.

It's true that House is selfish and his behavior in this and previous

episodes could be likened to those of an addict, but I don't think he has a

true addiction. I believe House has a lot of pain, is dependent on Vicodin,

and he is being dramatic at every opportunity, often trying to mess with the

patients' and other doctors' minds (the gulping of the narcotics in front of

others, for example).

He's a rule-breaker by nature. And he hates that he has the pain. He hates

that the doctors around him, who are supposed to be his friends and

colleagues, don't understand his pain. He hates the idea that the rules are

that someone else has to write the prescription for him. That's why he takes

matters into his own hands.

Unlike an addict, he functions better when he has his Vicodin.

I'm very curious to see where the writers will take the story.

Not an MD

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Re: [ ] Re: OT: Pain control in TV show " House:

> Didn't you see the show where he got some Oxycontin under false

> pretenses. I believe that the man who was supposed to get it had died.

> Anyway, I guess House took it all at once, and found him passed

> out on the floor.

>

> The problem is that he's self-medicating. An old saying is that if you

> doctor yourself, you have a fool for a doctor and a fool for a patient.

>

> House is completely selfish and doesn't care how much trouble he gets

> his friends into. This of course helps to make him a most interesting

> character.

>

> Sue

>

> On Tuesday, December 19, 2006, at 07:36 PM, susan100250 wrote:

>

>> With as much pain as he had, they should've had

>> him on something else -- like oxycontin -- and monitored his drug use

>> better. Oh, but that wouldn't make the story line so interesting,

>> though!

[Guest guest]

,

I agree with your assessment. It just really goes to show you how little

chronic pain is understood. Even my 20 yo son gets it, that someone can be a

functioning " addict " for lack of a better word. Maybe more appropriate is a drug

user but that doesn't really indicate dependence. Someone can use, even be

dependent on a substance and not have it be necessarily a bad thing. It makes

him functional...I only just recently started watching this show, but what I

have noticed about the repeats is that in this current season House is much more

" addict-like " and is under tremendous strain with that nasty cop that has it in

for him and the cessation of his source of pain relief. I cannot imagine what

that would be like, not to have access to the pain relief I need...when I need

it. Just awful! I also agree that he is on the wrong type of meds for chronic

pain.

Just my two cents :-)

Jen in Colorado Springs.....in the midst of a blizzard!

--

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings

having a human experience.

---- <Matsumura_Clan@...> wrote:

=============

I don't know, Sue. I think the main problem is that House has severe,

chronic pain. Secondarily, he has been prescribed (aren't the other

physicians writing his prescriptions for him?) Vicodin when he should be

using a long-acting formulation of an opioid.

Then they cut him off from his Vicodin. Consequently, House had both the

pain and withdrawal to deal with, so he steals the OxyContin destined for a

dead man. That actually didn't bother me too much. How did the other

physicians think he could quit cold turkey? His pain wasn't just going to

magically disappear either. His actions were illegal, but were they immoral?

That he took so much of the OxyContin at once and then washed it down with

a lot of booze was disturbing. Was he trying to kill himself? Was that a

farewell phone call to his mother? I don't think so, but he's such a

troubled character, it could be.

It's true that House is selfish and his behavior in this and previous

episodes could be likened to those of an addict, but I don't think he has a

true addiction. I believe House has a lot of pain, is dependent on Vicodin,

and he is being dramatic at every opportunity, often trying to mess with the

patients' and other doctors' minds (the gulping of the narcotics in front of

others, for example).

He's a rule-breaker by nature. And he hates that he has the pain. He hates

that the doctors around him, who are supposed to be his friends and

colleagues, don't understand his pain. He hates the idea that the rules are

that someone else has to write the prescription for him. That's why he takes

matters into his own hands.

Unlike an addict, he functions better when he has his Vicodin.

I'm very curious to see where the writers will take the story.

Not an MD

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Re: [ ] Re: OT: Pain control in TV show " House:

> Didn't you see the show where he got some Oxycontin under false

> pretenses. I believe that the man who was supposed to get it had died.

> Anyway, I guess House took it all at once, and found him passed

> out on the floor.

>

> The problem is that he's self-medicating. An old saying is that if you

> doctor yourself, you have a fool for a doctor and a fool for a patient.

>

> House is completely selfish and doesn't care how much trouble he gets

> his friends into. This of course helps to make him a most interesting

> character.

>

> Sue

>

> On Tuesday, December 19, 2006, at 07:36 PM, susan100250 wrote:

>

>> With as much pain as he had, they should've had

>> him on something else -- like oxycontin -- and monitored his drug use

>> better. Oh, but that wouldn't make the story line so interesting,

>> though!

[Guest guest]

This is a very interesting discussion. You may be right, . But

isn't there some question about how much pain House has? At the

beginning of this season, his pain was cured because of some drug that

they gave him while he was being operated on after having been shot.

Then the pain came back. Or did it? It was not very clear just what was

going on.

I still think that he is addicted, though. He just pops too many pills,

going way beyond the number that he was prescribed. He had a big stash

that the detective found when he searched House's apartment.

I don't approve of the way the detective is going about his job, trying

his best to put House in jail. But I do like the actor who portrays

him; he was in the movie " The Green Mile, " and later had a TV show that

I can't remember the name of.

I just love House, despite his foibles. He is the most interesting

character on TV, in my opinion. And Hugh Laurie does a tremendous job

of portraying him.

I did get up this morning in time to see the " Ellen " rerun that Laurie

was on. Very interesting.

I also wonder where they're going with this story. We'll just have to

wait and see.

Sue

On Wednesday, December 20, 2006, at 09:50 PM, wrote:

> I don't know, Sue. I think the main problem is that House has severe,

> chronic pain. Secondarily, he has been prescribed (aren't the other

> physicians writing his prescriptions for him?) Vicodin when he should

> be

> using a long-acting formulation of an opioid.

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Gonnella " <witchywomyn@...>

> I cannot imagine what that would be like, not to have access to the pain

> relief I need...when I need it. Just >awful!

People with fibromyalgia are often denied any pain medication at all. I

haven't found a good rheumy yet to treat mine. Finally, in sheer

desperation, I asked my GP for 30 pills...... that's in 30 pills for the

entire year! I could really use 3 times that number. I'm not asking to be

totally out of pain (the pain pills don't take away my pain, just cut it),

just my worst times at it. I know she wouldn't be comfortable managing me

taking 90 pills a year. Some of fibro people take what I take only, more

like 3 a day. If someone stood on your foot, it would be quite reasonable

for you to push him off or ask and expect he'd get off. No one would say,

" sorry, you're just going to have to tolerate a 250 pound man balancing

himself on your foot, if it bothers you take an aspirin. " Yet that's what a

lot of doctors do. I've gotten the name of a doctor who supposedly can help

me with my fibro, so I'll go see him in the new year.

Darcy

[Guest guest]

House is your classic passive-aggresive. House is the Everyman Wannabee: angry

and as brazenly anti-social---all in the best of causes---curing people. In

other words, it's okay to be a bad-a*s as long as you're saving lives.

Okay........................

In reality, some his his routine remarks to medical students would likely lead

to complaints, but this is art. This takes place in New Jersey. It's about

Wood Hospital, really. And a guy doing what he does would be

sawed off pretty quickly...but it's art.

House is an angry, non-nuanced, extremely simplistic but intereting guy due to

his constant edge type of character. There are many, many 'real' M.D. Houses out

there. I have met a few, and have matched barbs with some. House would better me

in such a match.

The implication is that House has no time for niceties, as well as having an

inability to " suffer fools gladly " , as the poet said ,all in persuit of good

medicine. In other words, he's the nasty SOB rat b*stard that he can be because

he never forgets his higher calling: healing the sick.

But, that idea goes awry. House is the improbably hands-on practicing M.D.

clinician who is also a public health administrator. That is not to say that

PHAs don;t 'do' 'real' medicine. They do. But, as riveting as the episodes can

be, and the cases being somewhat interesting, I have to say that I get a

vicarious thrilll at watching someone swat people down at will for no really

good reason---that is, when I have nothing better to watch. I'd love to be able

to do that with the ilk that I work with.......

I have been doing alot of planning with government on Avian Flu(Gawd forbid),

and there are few Houses in that group. We'd need one who is as smart and as

fast and can solve stuff in 43 minutes if it ever happens.

Sue <marysue@...> wrote:

This is a very interesting discussion. You may be right, . But

isn't there some question about how much pain House has? At the

beginning of this season, his pain was cured because of some drug that

they gave him while he was being operated on after having been shot.

Then the pain came back. Or did it? It was not very clear just what was

going on.

I still think that he is addicted, though. He just pops too many pills,

going way beyond the number that he was prescribed. He had a big stash

that the detective found when he searched House's apartment.

I don't approve of the way the detective is going about his job, trying

his best to put House in jail. But I do like the actor who portrays

him; he was in the movie " The Green Mile, " and later had a TV show that

I can't remember the name of.

I just love House, despite his foibles. He is the most interesting

character on TV, in my opinion. And Hugh Laurie does a tremendous job

of portraying him.

I did get up this morning in time to see the " Ellen " rerun that Laurie

was on. Very interesting.

I also wonder where they're going with this story. We'll just have to

wait and see.

Sue

On Wednesday, December 20, 2006, at 09:50 PM, wrote:

> I don't know, Sue. I think the main problem is that House has severe,

> chronic pain. Secondarily, he has been prescribed (aren't the other

> physicians writing his prescriptions for him?) Vicodin when he should

> be

> using a long-acting formulation of an opioid.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Maybe that is why I like the show so much, too, LOL. I think I also

like to watch House's intellect at work, even though it makes me

realize how inferior my intellect is compared to his.

Sue

On Thursday, December 21, 2006, at 01:01 PM, J J wrote:

> But, as riveting as the episodes can be, and the cases being somewhat

> interesting, I have to say that I get a vicarious thrilll at watching

> someone swat people down at will for no really good reason---that is,

> when I have nothing better to watch. I'd love to be able to do that

> with the ilk that I work with.......

>

[Guest guest]

Pris,

House had an infarction in his right thigh. It took his physicians three

days to make the diagnosis and resulted in extensive muscle necrosis. The

dead tissue had to be excised.

http://housemd-guide.com/characters/infarction.php

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412142/faq#.2.1.1

Not an MD

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Re: [ ] Re: OT: Pain control in TV show " House:

>

>

>

>

>> I'm very curious to see where the writers will take the story.

>>

>>

>

> Thanks, .

> Why is he in pain?

> Pris

[Guest guest]

,

After you mentioned your son, I asked my youngest son (15 and who often

watches the show with me) if he thinks House is an addict. His response:

" No, he has needs. " Of course, I've indoctrinated my child, LOL, but we had

an interesting discussion about it.

" House, " particularly the latest episodes, have blurred the line between

addiction and dependence, which I realize adds to the drama, but I hope they

will clarify that soon.

I agree that dependence on medications is not necessarily a bad thing.

Physicians freely prescribe plenty of medications that patients may become

dependent on (in our group, for example: prednisone, antidepressants,

antianxiety medications, sleep aids) but they hold back on opioids, often

unnecessarily. Why is it less acceptable for a patient to take medication

daily that will allow normal functioning than for that patient to live in

constant pain?

True story: Recently, my father's friend's 85-year-old mother was in the

hospital dying of cancer. She had some very serious bone pain, and her

physician did not want to give her narcotics because " she might become

addicted. " She had a few weeks to live and this is the thinking? It's OK

that her last days will be hell on earth, but at least she won't get

" hooked " on morphine??? I know this is not an unusual story, but I am

disgusted each and every time I hear one.

Not an MD

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Re: [ ] Re: OT: Pain control in TV show " House:

> ,

>

> I agree with your assessment. It just really goes to show you how little

> chronic pain is understood. Even my 20 yo son gets it, that someone can

> be a functioning " addict " for lack of a better word. Maybe more

> appropriate is a drug user but that doesn't really indicate dependence.

> Someone can use, even be dependent on a substance and not have it be

> necessarily a bad thing. It makes him functional...I only just recently

> started watching this show, but what I have noticed about the repeats is

> that in this current season House is much more " addict-like " and is under

> tremendous strain with that nasty cop that has it in for him and the

> cessation of his source of pain relief. I cannot imagine what that would

> be like, not to have access to the pain relief I need...when I need it.

> Just awful! I also agree that he is on the wrong type of meds for chronic

> pain.

>

> Just my two cents :-)

>

> Jen in Colorado Springs.....in the midst of a blizzard!

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sue. I think the different perspectives on this are interesting, too.

Yes, there are questions about House's pain, but, in truth, the only one who

knows the answers is House. The other doctors can speculate, but only House

knows what the true nature of his pain is.

Although the other doctors are supposed to be doing the prescribing,

only House knows whether it is working. If he is truly an addict, then, of

course, the problem is much different. But, if he isn't, then House has to

depend on his friends/colleagues to give him adequate amounts of Vicodin for

pain relief. Are they taking him at his word about his pain, monitoring him,

and asking him how well the Vicodin is working for him, or are they always

suspicious of him and his motives for taking the Vicodin?

It's very common for doctors to prescribe narcotics very conservatively, too

conservatively - to the point where the patient is undertreated and indeed

wants to hoard them in case of a pain crisis. Creating a stash doesn't

necessarily have to mean House is an addict. It could mean that he wants to

be prepared for bad days or, particularly in his case, for the possibility

he may be fired and may need to have drugs available while he finds someone

else to treat him.

Because House is prescribed Vicodin, he is going to have uneven pain relief;

lots of peaks and valleys. If his leg suddenly becomes extremely painful, he

is naturally going to want to gulp down several pills and hope they will

work quickly and, with any luck, completely.

Here's a House quote:

" If I'm in a buttload of pain, I need a buttload of pills. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finding_Judas

And I think this is an important point. The intensity of his pain is not

predictable and will not follow a schedule.

I haven't seen every episode, so I'm not sure why House and the other

physicians decided he should be using Vicodin. If he took a long-acting

opioid and used Vicodin for breakthrough pain, he might be able to live on

more or less of an even keel. On the other hand, it's House we're talking

about, so he may like the unpredictability and drama. He may want to feel

the pain. I'm not sure. This part of the story bothers me.

Some of the reviews of " House " I've read have noted the strong parallels

between the characters Sherlock Holmes (who used cocaine and morphine - not

for pain though) and House. = . Interesting.

I don't like Tritter! Not a bit. Morse has been in a lot of stuff:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001556/

Not an MD

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Re: [ ] Re: OT: Pain control in TV show " House:

> This is a very interesting discussion. You may be right, . But

> isn't there some question about how much pain House has? At the

> beginning of this season, his pain was cured because of some drug that

> they gave him while he was being operated on after having been shot.

> Then the pain came back. Or did it? It was not very clear just what was

> going on.

>

> I still think that he is addicted, though. He just pops too many pills,

> going way beyond the number that he was prescribed. He had a big stash

> that the detective found when he searched House's apartment.

>

> I don't approve of the way the detective is going about his job, trying

> his best to put House in jail. But I do like the actor who portrays

> him; he was in the movie " The Green Mile, " and later had a TV show that

> I can't remember the name of.

>

> I just love House, despite his foibles. He is the most interesting

> character on TV, in my opinion. And Hugh Laurie does a tremendous job

> of portraying him.

>

> I did get up this morning in time to see the " Ellen " rerun that Laurie

> was on. Very interesting.

>

> I also wonder where they're going with this story. We'll just have to

> wait and see.

>

> Sue

>

> On Wednesday, December 20, 2006, at 09:50 PM, wrote:

>

>> I don't know, Sue. I think the main problem is that House has severe,

>> chronic pain. Secondarily, he has been prescribed (aren't the other

>> physicians writing his prescriptions for him?) Vicodin when he should

>> be

>> using a long-acting formulation of an opioid.

[Guest guest]

My true story: A few years ago, my aunt (in her mid-90s) was dying of liver

failure. Every couple of months, they " cleaned " out her ducts (they were

afraid she wouldn't even survive a simple gall bladder removal), it was very

painful and required several days in the hospital. And, even when she was

home, she was in pain and discomfort all the time, and needed help for even

the simplest things. Her choices were to go to a nursing home, or continue

to let my mother - in her late 80s and not in the best of health - continue

to care for her. She was always a tiny woman, but she had wasted away to

the point that even I could pick her up, like a small child, and carry her

to the bathroom. My mother insisted she could, and would, do it, but we all

worried. None of us lived close enough to be a full time care giver, and

neither my mother nor my aunt would consider moving.

My aunt decided she'd had enough, had one last procedure that would carry

her through Christmas, and then no more. Her doctor supported her, and did

everything he could to make her comfortable, including convincing Medicare

to keep her hospitalized and not send her to a nursing home for her last few

days. The nurses on the floor were wonderful, even got her some cute pjs

from the children's floor. Then her doctor had to go out of town for a few

days. The doctor that filled in for him cut off her morphine, saying that

the she was so fragile that it might kill her! My sister sat with her and

here is what my sister told me: I never understood euthanasia before, but

now I do. Sitting there, and watching her pain, was the hardest thing I

have ever done. The nurses and I tried to make this doctor understand, but

he wouldn't listen, and he wouldn't stay long enough to really even see her

pain. There came a point where she was in so much pain, I wanted to just

smother her with her pillow and end it for her, even though she couldn't

talk to me, I knew how she had dreaded this, and that her doctor had

promised her he wouldn't let it happen. I was so angry! And the social

worker (from Medicare) kept talking about moving her to a nursing home, even

though even touching her brought her more pain . . . finally her doctor came

back. He was angry too, and immediately gave her the morphine she needed.

She died peacefully two days later. Was it the morphine? Did it matter?

No - at that point, all that mattered was that her pain stopped.

This was the same hospital that, a few years earlier, had resuscitated my

Dad despite a very clear DNR order. After my aunt's death, my mother did

move to be close to my sister, and I am happy to be able to say she died a

very quick, pain-free death in her apartment 18 months ago. No way would my

sister and I have ever let anything like that have happened again! And my

daughter knows I have designated her if I cannot make decisions for myself,

and IS VERY CLEAR about my wishes. She also sat with my aunt at times, and

agrees with me completely.

Oh, I see she's online right now! Gotta go " talk " to her, I just love

Gtalk!

On 12/22/06, <Matsumura_Clan@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> True story: Recently, my father's friend's 85-year-old mother was in the

> hospital dying of cancer. She had some very serious bone pain, and her

> physician did not want to give her narcotics because " she might become

> addicted. " She had a few weeks to live and this is the thinking? It's OK

> that her last days will be hell on earth, but at least she won't get

> " hooked " on morphine??? I know this is not an unusual story, but I am

> disgusted each and every time I hear one.

>

>

>

> Not an MD

>

--

Shoreview, MN, until April! brrrr!

South Pasadena, CA

You can see my galleries at http://www.pbase.com/arenared986

[Guest guest]

Oh, dear. , that is some story. Your poor aunt. I'm glad that, in

the end, she got the relief she needed.

It does cause you to think about the end-of-life issues. My mother has

claimed that her directives are DNR and DNH.

My sisters and I have pacts, but they involve guns.

Not an MD

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Re: [ ] Re: OT: Pain control in TV show " House:

> My true story: A few years ago, my aunt (in her mid-90s) was dying of

> liver

> failure. Every couple of months, they " cleaned " out her ducts (they were

> afraid she wouldn't even survive a simple gall bladder removal), it was

> very

> painful and required several days in the hospital. And, even when she was

> home, she was in pain and discomfort all the time, and needed help for

> even

> the simplest things. Her choices were to go to a nursing home, or

> continue

> to let my mother - in her late 80s and not in the best of health -

> continue

> to care for her. She was always a tiny woman, but she had wasted away to

> the point that even I could pick her up, like a small child, and carry her

> to the bathroom. My mother insisted she could, and would, do it, but we

> all

> worried. None of us lived close enough to be a full time care giver, and

> neither my mother nor my aunt would consider moving.

>

> My aunt decided she'd had enough, had one last procedure that would carry

> her through Christmas, and then no more. Her doctor supported her, and

> did

> everything he could to make her comfortable, including convincing Medicare

> to keep her hospitalized and not send her to a nursing home for her last

> few

> days. The nurses on the floor were wonderful, even got her some cute pjs

> from the children's floor. Then her doctor had to go out of town for a

> few

> days. The doctor that filled in for him cut off her morphine, saying that

> the she was so fragile that it might kill her! My sister sat with her and

> here is what my sister told me: I never understood euthanasia before, but

> now I do. Sitting there, and watching her pain, was the hardest thing I

> have ever done. The nurses and I tried to make this doctor understand,

> but

> he wouldn't listen, and he wouldn't stay long enough to really even see

> her

> pain. There came a point where she was in so much pain, I wanted to just

> smother her with her pillow and end it for her, even though she couldn't

> talk to me, I knew how she had dreaded this, and that her doctor had

> promised her he wouldn't let it happen. I was so angry! And the social

> worker (from Medicare) kept talking about moving her to a nursing home,

> even

> though even touching her brought her more pain . . . finally her doctor

> came

> back. He was angry too, and immediately gave her the morphine she needed.

> She died peacefully two days later. Was it the morphine? Did it matter?

> No - at that point, all that mattered was that her pain stopped.

>

> This was the same hospital that, a few years earlier, had resuscitated my

> Dad despite a very clear DNR order. After my aunt's death, my mother did

> move to be close to my sister, and I am happy to be able to say she died a

> very quick, pain-free death in her apartment 18 months ago. No way would

> my

> sister and I have ever let anything like that have happened again! And my

> daughter knows I have designated her if I cannot make decisions for

> myself,

> and IS VERY CLEAR about my wishes. She also sat with my aunt at times,

> and

> agrees with me completely.

>

> Oh, I see she's online right now! Gotta go " talk " to her, I just love

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Emma,

Talking about living in England reminded me that our favorite show still

hadn't aired season 4. It's MI-5 in the states Spooks in the UK. I love

that show. Now I've gone on-line and dug around to find out the A & E ran a

marathon of season 4 without notice at the end of October and it looks like

they might not air season 5. I think they are airing season 6 in the

UK. I guess I might have to buy the DVD's!

I watched a few episodes of House, I liked it but there is always something

else on.

Kate G

At 06:03 PM 12/23/2006, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>I live in England so the new series of House hasn't been shown here,

>but i've read the summaries online (i'm obsessed!!). After reading

>your posts I realise that i'm very lucky to be able to take

>advantage of the NHS in England. This really strikes home when

>people talk about the expenses of doctors appointments over there.

>I cannot believe they are limiting House like that. Ok, so he broke

>the law a bit, but he shouldn't have had to in the first place. I

>take at least 7 tablets a day, and that's without my pain killers,

>with them and some vitamins, it's 18 tablets a day. I can't imagine

>my drs restricting my painkillers. I think I get a refill of 100 or

>so every month!! It's awful that House (and many real people!) have

>to deal with chronic pain without the relief they deserve.

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>I also have a question, has anyone lost a lot of weight while on

>sulfasalazine and prednisolone? A Dr, not my usual one, told me that

>it was due to battling a chronic illness. But, i'm a bit worried, I

>just wondered if this had happened to anyone else?

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>Merry Christmas to everyone!!

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>Emma

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