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At 02:32 AM 2/23/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi,

>On this list we see a lot of mention of PCA-RX spray, METAL FREE, and

>NDF. My question is has anyone ever used this product, and with what

>type of results?

I believe that is 3 different products, although I must say

I get them confused. I haven't tried any of them.

Moria

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  • 3 years later...

Sandie,

I had the same problem with methotrexate. As my rheumy said, my body

did not like it.

When I first started taking it, my WBC count was 9.7. It kept getting

lower and lower, little by little. He switched me to Arava, which only

continued the decline. When I got to 2.2, he switched me to Enbrel.

This was over a period of a year and a half. Enbrel works much better

for me, so this was not such a bad thing, LOL. It took over two years,

though, for my WBC count to come back up to normal. This was just last

month.

Do you know what your count was before you started the mtx? Were you on

another med that was also lowering your count? RA meds do suppress the

immune system, in different ways. Our bodies just react in different

ways to them.

I don't know of any natural remedies that can raise the WBC count. I

was lucky enough that I didn't get sick a lot even though my count was

low.

There is also another disease, Felty's syndrome, that sometimes

accompanies RA and causes a low WBC count. I was beginning to think

that I had it, but I guess I don't.

Hope this helps, Sue

On Thursday, September 15, 2005, at 04:02 PM, slmcc93@... wrote:

> Hi,

> I have been on Methotrexate for 2 1/2 months now. I have to say I do

> feel a

> bit better and even have some days that my pain in manageable. My

> doctor

> started me on 6 pills of 2.5 mg a week then upped the dose to 7 pills

> per week. I

> was just called from the doctors office to say that my blood work just

> came

> back and that my liver enzymes were fine but my WBC count is low(3.7)

> they tell

> me not to worry but what exactly does that mean? Then nurse then said

> the doc

> would wait another month for more blood tests then decide if he would

> either

> lower my dose or totally take me off for 2 weeks then put me back on.

> I am

> scared about the second scenario because that would mean I would just

> be on my

> Plaquenil and to be honest, I dont know if that helps me at all. Can

> anyone

> help me out with any ifo here? also, I was thinking of trying some

> natural

> remedies to up my WBC. Anyone know anything about that?

>

> thanks in advance and hope you are all having a pain free day.

> sandie

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Sandie, your blood counts are monitored while you are on MTX. Since your

white blood cells help fight infections, your physician doesn't want them to

drop and stay too low. For now, he'll just wait until the next blood test to

see if it drops further.

Are you taking folic acid, too?

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[ ] question for all

> Hi,

> I have been on Methotrexate for 2 1/2 months now. I have to say I do feel

> a

> bit better and even have some days that my pain in manageable. My doctor

> started me on 6 pills of 2.5 mg a week then upped the dose to 7 pills per

> week. I

> was just called from the doctors office to say that my blood work just

> came

> back and that my liver enzymes were fine but my WBC count is low(3.7) they

> tell

> me not to worry but what exactly does that mean? Then nurse then said the

> doc

> would wait another month for more blood tests then decide if he would

> either

> lower my dose or totally take me off for 2 weeks then put me back on. I

> am

> scared about the second scenario because that would mean I would just be

> on my

> Plaquenil and to be honest, I dont know if that helps me at all. Can

> anyone

> help me out with any ifo here? also, I was thinking of trying some natural

> remedies to up my WBC. Anyone know anything about that?

>

> thanks in advance and hope you are all having a pain free day.

> sandie

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Yes I also take Folic Acid. I have my blood drawn every month so it can be

monitored. I am just a bit worried for two reasons. One, is that the MTX seems

to be helping me a bit. Yes, I still have pain daily but it is a bit more

manageable. Second, I now have 2 children in school and am worried about getting

sick. You know how 3 year olds are- germs everywhere. I am fanatical about

keeping things clean and as germ free as possible but with 3 boys (9,3, and

almost

2) it is really tough. I cannot afford to get sick at all. The other thing the

nurse said was if my WBC count stayed low they may take me off the MTX for 2

weeks then restart it. I am terrified of having no meds at all and how my body

will react.

sandie

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Hi!

My son is 23 and newly-diagnosed as a result of an MRI for his neck pain,

and the subsequent visit to the neurosurgeon who put together the calcium

deposit above the C1 vertebrae which is causing his arms to go numb, the

chronic fatigue, the pain in both hands and all fingers, both knees, and

extreme pain in his neck....and now we're waiting for an appointment through

his clinic to see a rheumatologist.

He's currently on Indocin from the neurosurgeon until he can get into a

rheumatologist. Third day taking it and he's having severe stomach pain and

cramping, etc.....I'm told this will subside if he can tolerate it for

several days...do you agree?

Also - if you can imagine....he uses a punching bag for exercise. I'm

trying to tell him that I imagine that is NOT the best thing he can do for

his poor, achy hands....can anyone give me some logical ammunition to tell

him? Or am I crazy and punching the bag is fine?

Any advice for dealing with a difficult bi-polar, testosterone-driven 23

year old who resents his new diagnosis would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks!!!

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Hi ,

You certainly have your hands full. If I were you my main concern

would be to make sure he remains on his meds for his Bi-Polar

symptoms. RA and chronic pain can cause depression in anyone, much

less someone prone to depression. He is going to have to experience

the consequences of his misuse of his hands, nothing you tell him

will help. I'm 44 yrs old and refuse to give in to this disease

until the pain and symptoms just about cripple me. So 23 yr old

will be in more denial. I can imagine it's so hard to watch him

abuse his body and not say anything.

As far as Indocin is concerned, I could take ibuprofen and other

NSAIDS for a long time before my digestive system finally stopped

tolerating them. I have had ulcers from all of the

toxic meds, Vioxx especially. Now I take Celebrex 2xday because I

can't tolerate anything else. TUMS and Pepcid help. both can be

bought over the counter,

and he may want to get tested for the h-pylori infection which

indicates an ulcer.

Hang in there, glad you found some support through this group.

River Wolfe

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Hi :

Welcome to the group! I also have one of those 23

year old, testosterone driven sons, he does not have

bi-polar, but he is OCD (we call him Monk) and on meds

to try and work on this. If he were told what your

son was, I could imagine him flipping out too. As a

matter of fact, he has said that if by any chance he

inherits RA or fibro from me, he definately will!

Anyway, about the punching bag, no, that would not be

the best thing for his hands, but I am sure that it is

a great stress and pressure reliever to get his anger

out. My son has a work-out bench and uses weights.

He has a weight bar so he can lay on his back,

protecting his spine, while he works out his arms and

upper body. This can also be a great way to work out

stress, and save his hands from a pummelling. Just a

suggestion. He would need to have this okayed, of

course by his doctor, because of his neck problems,

but my son has a slight scoliosis and also has had

problems with his back, and this type of exercise does

not hurt him.

Ask his doctor if there is anything else he can be

given that will not upset his stomach so much, or are

there any medications he can take with the Indocin

that will reduce the affect it has on his stomach. Is

he taking it on a full stomach? Has he tried taking

it with milk or something to coat his stomach before

the med?

What type of treatment plan does the neurologist have

otherwise? Is he waiting on what the rheumy will say?

Did the neurologist say he felt it was fibro or RA or

some other autoimmune disease? When is the

appointment with the rheumy? If it is RA, then

treatment with DMARDs needs to be started as soon as

possible to slow down the disease process and cut down

his chance of getting bony deformities.

There is a lot he will be going through - anger,

grief, depression, denial - pretty much everything you

do when you grieve for a loved one. His life will be

changing if he is dx with an autoimmune disease - but

let him know that there is a lot of good meds out

there, a lot in research, and more hope right now for

patients than at any other time. I am glad that you

are here for your son - we are here to help family too

in any way we can - so let us know what is going on,

or if you have any further questions.

Take care -

Kathe in CA

--- Lutz <denisemcse1@...> wrote:

> Hi!

>

> My son is 23 and newly-diagnosed as a result of an

> MRI for his neck pain,

> and the subsequent visit to the neurosurgeon who put

> together the calcium

> deposit above the C1 vertebrae which is causing his

> arms to go numb, the

> chronic fatigue, the pain in both hands and all

> fingers, both knees, and

> extreme pain in his neck....and now we're waiting

> for an appointment through

> his clinic to see a rheumatologist.

>

> He's currently on Indocin from the neurosurgeon

> until he can get into a

> rheumatologist. Third day taking it and he's having

> severe stomach pain and

> cramping, etc.....I'm told this will subside if he

> can tolerate it for

> several days...do you agree?

>

> Also - if you can imagine....he uses a punching bag

> for exercise. I'm

> trying to tell him that I imagine that is NOT the

> best thing he can do for

> his poor, achy hands....can anyone give me some

> logical ammunition to tell

> him? Or am I crazy and punching the bag is fine?

>

> Any advice for dealing with a difficult bi-polar,

> testosterone-driven 23

> year old who resents his new diagnosis would be

> GREATLY appreciated.

>

> Thanks!!!

>

>

>

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My daughter's MRI and EEGs have all been normal. Her SPECT scan however was

abnormal showing hyperfunction in deep brain areas (basal ganglia, thalamus,

cingulate gyrus) and hypofunction in temporal lobes.

E. Sorensen

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808.352.0116 (cell)

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My question is have your children who have been diagnosed with apraixa ever

have an MRI done to confirm or deny the presence of apraxia? I google imaged

photos of an apraxic brain and there were a few results showing that the part of

the brain that controls speech looks different from that of a brain without

apraxia

Thanks Kim

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Kim,

My daughter did have an MRI done and it showed nothing out of the

ordinary, other than a very small area in the cerebellum that affects

her balance which stems from her premature birth and subsequent

illness and not relevant to apraxia. From what I understand, most kids

with apraxia have normal MRIs, and if anything abnormal is found, it

is usually related to another condition (i.e. CP, epilepsy, etc). I

googled your search and most of the images I've found were for adults.

Most of the research are done on older adults who suffered strokes

and are now apraxic, I believe those are the images you are looking

at, not of children. Children with apraxia of speech are in a

completely different population than those adults who fall victim to

apraxia via strokes, injury and etc.

Lori

>

> My question is have your children who have been diagnosed with

apraixa ever have an MRI done to confirm or deny the presence of

apraxia? I google imaged photos of an apraxic brain and there were a

few results showing that the part of the brain that controls speech

looks different from that of a brain without apraxia

> Thanks Kim

>

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