Re: Opinions wanted

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In a message dated 10/26/2001 2:55:12 AM Central Daylight Time,

spiritzalive@... writes:

<< For those of you whom have not been so fortunate and have been

diagnosed with cancer, and have been successfully treated and cured

by natural means... what do you say to those individuals who refuse

to believe it works? I realize it's a tough argument when so many

have been brainwashed, but what is the best way to drill it into

someone's head? >>

Hello Spiritz! I'd be curious to know how you all handle this also. I,

myself, have had live blood cell analysis done and found out through this

naturpathic dr. that I have cancer. I had previously had 4 bloodworks done

at various times over the last couple of years. This time I knew when I saw

the bloodwork on the screen that it was definitely different. He treats

patients from all over the US with cancer, therefore, I believe he must see

these cells frequently. But I am coming under heavy opposition from family

and friends for agreeing with him and for changing my diet to battle this

with his sort of plan. How do you reply to these people especially when

there are some folks that want his name and location and I'm sure it's " not "

for wanting to go there?

Tks,

[Guest guest]

It is my experience that it is not possible to overcome the

" brainwashing " unless the brainwashed has an open mind. I have spent

some time on the alt.support.cancer newsgroup. When i first arrived

i gave the URL of my Cancer Journal on the Web and was immediately

set upon as by a bunch of Jackels. Two people stand out in my mind:

One is a woman who lost her father to cancer and blames it on the

fact that he was using alternative treatments. Her reresponse to

every article posted about alternative treatment is " Don't bother, it

is no good " . Of course she hasn't bothered to find out if it is no

good. As a test i gave the URL for a relatively unknown mainstream

cancer site that i happened upon, presenting it as an alternative

site. Her response was, you guessed it, " Don't bother, it is no good " .

The other person calls himself " Steph " and claims to be an

oncologist. I am certain that he is a shill for the establishment

because he spends all of his time on the newsgroup. I cannot help but

wonder when he has time to practice oncology.

The reason i mention these two clowns is that those on the NG who are

suffering with cancer or have a close one suffering from cancer,

accept these two as absolute authorities. Anyone questioning their

dogma is dumped on by the sheeple.

I now limit my time on that NG to posting relavant information and

instructive articles about alternative cancer therapies hoping to

reach someone. I do not engage in dialog with anyone because it

quickly becomes pouring from the empty into the void -- wore than

useless.

Of course, maybe i'm just becoming cynical in my old age.

>Hello Folks,

>

>First of all, I would like to give all of you a round of applause for

>posting such vital information which most narrow-minded people would

>consider to be " quackery " . Many of these people cannot comprehend the

>fact that there are such commonsense treatments and cures for all

>diseases known to man. But they still rely on the " cut-burn-poison "

>method and expect to recover to a normal lifestyle.

>For myself, I have been fortunate enough not to be stricken with

>cancer. However, If I was ever to contract such a dreaded disease, I

>would not hesitate for a second to seek care under a holistic or

>homeopathic doctor. Medical doctors are fine for diagnosis, but they

>lack the education when it comes to true and successful cures.

>

>For those of you whom have not been so fortunate and have been

>diagnosed with cancer, and have been successfully treated and cured

>by natural means... what do you say to those individuals who refuse

>to believe it works? I realize it's a tough argument when so many

>have been brainwashed, but what is the best way to drill it into

>someone's head?

>

>Thank you for your opinions!

>

--

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Neil Jensen: neil@...

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It has recently been discovered

that research causes cancer in rats.

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Neil Jensen: neil@...

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

It has recently been discovered

that research causes cancer in rats.

[Guest guest]

I have also encountered " Steph " who, in my opinion, is

undoubtadly bought and paid for by the

pharmaceutical/medical complex. All of these shills'

agendas become blatantly obvious after a few posts

because they vehemently try to protect orthodox cancer

treatments. I'm sure they get a pretty penny for

peddling lies for a living, but they are not even

worth minimum wage becase their lies are so

transparent. Never forget that these people can be

posting under several pseudonyms and make it seem as

if somebody else is backing them up when in reality it

is the same person. Gavin.

Exposing the Cancer Indu$try

http://www.cancerinform.freewebsites.com

--- Neil Jensen <neil@...> wrote:

> It is my experience that it is not possible to

> overcome the

> " brainwashing " unless the brainwashed has an open

> mind. I have spent

> some time on the alt.support.cancer newsgroup. When

> i first arrived

> i gave the URL of my Cancer Journal on the Web and

> was immediately

> set upon as by a bunch of Jackels. Two people stand

> out in my mind:

> One is a woman who lost her father to cancer and

> blames it on the

> fact that he was using alternative treatments. Her

> reresponse to

> every article posted about alternative treatment is

> " Don't bother, it

> is no good " . Of course she hasn't bothered to find

> out if it is no

> good. As a test i gave the URL for a relatively

> unknown mainstream

> cancer site that i happened upon, presenting it as

> an alternative

> site. Her response was, you guessed it, " Don't

> bother, it is no good " .

>

> The other person calls himself " Steph " and claims to

> be an

> oncologist. I am certain that he is a shill for the

> establishment

> because he spends all of his time on the newsgroup.

> I cannot help but

> wonder when he has time to practice oncology.

>

> The reason i mention these two clowns is that those

> on the NG who are

> suffering with cancer or have a close one suffering

> from cancer,

> accept these two as absolute authorities. Anyone

> questioning their

> dogma is dumped on by the sheeple.

>

> I now limit my time on that NG to posting relavant

> information and

> instructive articles about alternative cancer

> therapies hoping to

> reach someone. I do not engage in dialog with anyone

> because it

> quickly becomes pouring from the empty into the void

> -- wore than

> useless.

>

> Of course, maybe i'm just becoming cynical in my old

> age.

>

> >Hello Folks,

> >

> >First of all, I would like to give all of you a

> round of applause for

> >posting such vital information which most

> narrow-minded people would

> >consider to be " quackery " . Many of these people

> cannot comprehend the

> >fact that there are such commonsense treatments and

> cures for all

> >diseases known to man. But they still rely on the

> " cut-burn-poison "

> >method and expect to recover to a normal lifestyle.

> >For myself, I have been fortunate enough not to be

> stricken with

> >cancer. However, If I was ever to contract such a

> dreaded disease, I

> >would not hesitate for a second to seek care under

> a holistic or

> >homeopathic doctor. Medical doctors are fine for

> diagnosis, but they

> >lack the education when it comes to true and

> successful cures.

> >

> >For those of you whom have not been so fortunate

> and have been

> >diagnosed with cancer, and have been successfully

> treated and cured

> >by natural means... what do you say to those

> individuals who refuse

> >to believe it works? I realize it's a tough

> argument when so many

> >have been brainwashed, but what is the best way to

> drill it into

> >someone's head?

> >

> >Thank you for your opinions!

> >

>

>

> --

> --

> Neil Jensen: neil@...

> The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

> It has recently been discovered

> that research causes cancer in rats.

> --

> Neil Jensen: neil@...

> The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

> It has recently been discovered

> that research causes cancer in rats.

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Neil,

I would be interested in reading your journal if I may. Mine is at

http://alleypat.livejournal.com

alley

[Guest guest]

>Neil,

>

>I would be interested in reading your journal if I may. Mine is at

>http://alleypat.livejournal.com

>

>alley

>

The URL is <http://www.sumeria.net/health/rectcan.html>

--

Neil Jensen: neil@...

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

" It was always much pleasanter... when one wasn't always

being ordered about by mice and rabbits. " -- Carroll

[Guest guest]

it is good that you have noticed this, that book, every thing that

you need to know. that is not the exact title. but it is the man

that you see on info merchials. found it at wal-mart the other day.

it has some intersing info.

not sure that I beleive every thing.

one thing that you might also be aware of is the junk that we are

eating that they are putting in our food. even the raw food, has

poisans in them from the toxins in the ground & pestisices.

as for the water, I am learning that purifying the water is just

part of it. the water needs to be boiled to kill the impurities in

the water. took me a while to figure out what they mean by distealed

water.

which is the natural way to do the things that chemicals in the

water does not really doing. plus the chemicals in the water is

harming our bodys.

now if I can just kick the sugar addition, that I have. I wonder how

much this has to do with being a child of aholic.

but then again I was taught to use sugar as a comfort food. this is

something that I have carryed over to my children.

one of my daughters made a statement that she was raised on syrup.

but to be truthful, we lived with my parents a lot of the time that

the girls was growing up. mom was a big coke drinker.

mary w.

>

> For a few years, my wife has noticed and commented on the fact

that when we

> go somewhere for more than a day, I feel better. But, when we

return home, I

> go back to the same bad feelings as before. I'm finally noticing

and

> wondering about the junk the water company puts in the water

to 'make it

> better'. When I was filling the pool for the first time, I noticed

the water

> was cloudy. The hard something buildup in the wife's bathroom

faucets are

> something I can't identify, and the sprayer for the kitchen sink

has the

> white stuff (calcium carbonate, I think) all over it.

>

> I'm looking into putting filters on my well and get away from the

expensive,

> and potentially dangerous, community water. It looks like it won't

take long

> to recoup my initial investment, certainly if it helps my body in

the

> process. How much can this water cause me, or Betty since she's

starting to

> suffer the same as I am? I use filters at the kitchen sink and

fridge, but

> that's all. What does anybody know about this?

>

> Dennis in Eastexas

> " It's not Rocket Surgery "

>

[Guest guest]

-Dennis,

I think that you are on to something here. IF you feel better after

one or two days away from home and then get sicker when you get home,

it makes sense that something there at home is causing you to feel

bad...and with your DW starting to show similar symptoms...the first

thing that I would check would be the water. And a system on the sink

like mentioned below would not be very costly..maybe less costly than

putting in a filtering system on your well. I would look into it if

it was me. We have water that is high in some type of alkali where I

am..it keeps clogging all the faucets..they have to be flushed out

every 4-5 weeks to keep them running...I sure would not want to be

drinking that stuff. We drink bottled water because there is a place

here in town where it is cheap to get it by the gallon...so thats how

I deal with the water. Jut recycle our gallon bottles and fill them

every week in town...I hope you get this figured out so both of you

can start to feel better, it might really make a big difference in

how you feel!!...jenna

-- In , " mary " <wolfygammie@...> wrote:

>

> it is good that you have noticed this, that book, every thing that

> you need to know. that is not the exact title. but it is the man

> that you see on info merchials. found it at wal-mart the other day.

> it has some intersing info.

> not sure that I beleive every thing.

> one thing that you might also be aware of is the junk that we are

> eating that they are putting in our food. even the raw food, has

> poisans in them from the toxins in the ground & pestisices.

>

> as for the water, I am learning that purifying the water is just

> part of it. the water needs to be boiled to kill the impurities in

> the water. took me a while to figure out what they mean by

distealed

> water.

> which is the natural way to do the things that chemicals in the

> water does not really doing. plus the chemicals in the water is

> harming our bodys.

> now if I can just kick the sugar addition, that I have. I wonder

how

> much this has to do with being a child of aholic.

> but then again I was taught to use sugar as a comfort food. this is

> something that I have carryed over to my children.

> one of my daughters made a statement that she was raised on syrup.

> but to be truthful, we lived with my parents a lot of the time that

> the girls was growing up. mom was a big coke drinker.

> mary w.

>

> >

> > For a few years, my wife has noticed and commented on the fact

> that when we

> > go somewhere for more than a day, I feel better. But, when we

> return home, I

> > go back to the same bad feelings as before. I'm finally noticing

> and

> > wondering about the junk the water company puts in the water

> to 'make it

> > better'. When I was filling the pool for the first time, I

noticed

> the water

> > was cloudy. The hard something buildup in the wife's bathroom

> faucets are

> > something I can't identify, and the sprayer for the kitchen sink

> has the

> > white stuff (calcium carbonate, I think) all over it.

> >

> > I'm looking into putting filters on my well and get away from the

> expensive,

> > and potentially dangerous, community water. It looks like it

won't

> take long

> > to recoup my initial investment, certainly if it helps my body in

> the

> > process. How much can this water cause me, or Betty since she's

> starting to

> > suffer the same as I am? I use filters at the kitchen sink and

> fridge, but

> > that's all. What does anybody know about this?

> >

> > Dennis in Eastexas

> > " It's not Rocket Surgery "

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I am sorry to hear your neck fusion failed so badly for

you. All I can tell you is a second surgery is always a risk. I knew

that going into my 2nd and 3rd on my back. Any surgery is a 50/50

chance. Can your dr's give you a better chance than that that

another surgery will help you that much??? Have you checked with a

second dr to see if he would suggest the samething for you?? I know

not sleeping in a bed gets old, I have slept more in my recliner

than a bed for many nites and am just starting to be a little more

comfortable in a bed after 6 long yrs. SO I know exactly how you

feel you just don't sleep as well I don't think but I know if a bed

is more uncomfortable that you won't sleep at all which is no help.

I'd talk to as many other dr's as you can and get as many opinions

as you can, then list the pros and cons and then you will have to

decide for yourself. Its a tough decision I know pain has forced me

to 3 surgeries the 4th I took before it got to that. But I knew it

was my Last chance for any normal kind of life again, so I took it.

These things you will have to make your own decision on, if its

worth trying it to see if the pain is less and you are better or

will it be the same or worse? I can't believe the dr's would suggest

it if they honestly thought it would make you worse but its hard to

tell with some dr's they just like to operate. You know your dr's

better than we do and only you can decide if you want to take the

chance one more time to see a improvement in your life. I wish you

the best of luck with your decision I know its not an easy one for

you. I've been in your shoes myself.Sorry if this isnt much help.

Best wishes. Sharon Group Owner

>

> I have never written to a list to ask for advice but I feel that

there has to be someone out there that may have some helpful words.

I had a cervical fusion 5 years ago and it did not go well for many

reasons but the main reason being I did not heal before I went to

work and started to do normal activities. Now I have an abnormal

curve in my neck which they say is kyphosis and have been told it

can be corrected with a metal plate. I have some days that are good

but many that are very very bad. I am an active person and when I

have a bad day I try to keep going but I just can't. The pain will

cause me to lose sleep and then I usually get sick with a cold or

sinus infection or whatever is going around the office. The pain

pills and muscle- relaxer helps but I HATE that feeling! I hate the

pain more.

>

> I have been told that if I have the surgery for the plate that I

will be better and I will not lose range of motion. I have not slept

in a bed for 5 years and find them very uncomfortable and they say

the plate could help that situation as well. My fusion is C5-6 and

C6-7 . I also have lower back pain and degenerative changes as well

as arthritis in the lumbar area. Even worse I have severe arthritis

in my knees and hands and I am only 40! I feel 80. The last thing I

want to do is complain and whine about my situation but I want to be

better has anyone had a second surgery that has been successful or

are they just going to take another whack at it and I will be the

same if not worse. Thank you for you comments.

> Beth

>

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