Re: Vitamin B12 shots

[Guest guest]

HI Mike

We have been giving B12 shots with excellent success (I mean the

results).We have noticed increased awareness and energy, consistantly

better eye contact, and increased strength. We also give folic acid

as well. Please let me know if you want more details.

> List mates,

>

> Our son (3.11) test came back showing a very significant Vit

> B12 deficiency, and our DAN doctor has recommended twice weekly B12

> injections. My wife is really hesitant on this (imagine sticking

your

> child twice weekly!) From my recent readings, I understand

that " lack

> of adequate B12 is a big cause of deranged brain metabolism " , and

> oral / sublingual B12 supplement is often ineffective since the

body

> does not absorb it very well.

>

> Does any of you have further information / experience with B12

> injections. What improvements did you observe?

>

> I have to really get my ducks in a row to convince my wife on this.

I am

> STILL trying to schedule a phone consultation with my DAN doctor.

>

> Many thanks,

>

> Mike

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your advise. I'll collect all your responses for my

wife to read. TO be fair, she'll be the one doing most of the

sticking, so she needs to be convinced.

Many thanks,

Mike

> I am new to the list. I started giving my son Vit B 12 shots 8

weeks ago.

> For two weeks I gave them bi weekly and now they are weekly. I love

them. It

> is a lot easier to give your child a shot than it is to get them to

drink all

> the ____ we try to feed them. I get EMLA cream from the doctor.

Put it on a

> Band-Aid and allow it to remain in contact with the skin no less

than an

> hour. If you child is a belly sleeper like mine it is real easy to

do this

> while he's sleeping. But I also do it awake. Trust me the child

will not

> feel the stick, but I do recommend getting it in the concentrated

form.

> Right now we are using up the last of our 1 cc volume syringes. He

will feel

> the volume, so do it asleep at night and slowwww or stick him in

two doses.

> I have seen amazing results in compliance, verbalization and

receptive

> understanding. It took about three shots for me to notice. We

were doing

> nothing else new at the time so I know it's the shots. My son's OT

(who did

> not know we started anything new) came up to us demanding to know

why this

> child is now so different. That's when it hit me that I'm not just

imagining

> these changes. With the results I have seen, I wish I could give

him a shot

> everyday. Good Luck!!!!!! Theresa

[Guest guest]

For those who thought the previous discussion of eating the B-12

instead of injecting it is theoretical, it isn't.

Aside from being based on regular MD literature articles where they

did it both ways, I know of many mercury toxic adults who went from

injections to oral use and it worked fine, as well as when I was

eating my b-12 instead of injecting it, and the doc didn't believe it

could possibly work he had me do a blood test for B-12 and it was so

high the lab couldn't measure it.

Andy .. . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

> I am new to the list. I started giving my son Vit B 12 shots 8

weeks ago.

> For two weeks I gave them bi weekly and now they are weekly. I love

them. It

> is a lot easier to give your child a shot than it is to get them to

drink all

> the ____ we try to feed them. I get EMLA cream from the doctor.

Put it on a

> Band-Aid and allow it to remain in contact with the skin no less

than an

> hour. If you child is a belly sleeper like mine it is real easy to

do this

> while he's sleeping. But I also do it awake. Trust me the child

will not

> feel the stick,

Special note:

The smaller the needle, the less painful. The larger the gauge number

the smaller the diameter.

You want to use something between a 27 gauge and a 30 gauge needle.

You can't suck stuff INTO the syringe with a needle that small, so you

get 2 needles per syringe. A 20 or 22 to load it (bayonet like

objects) and then switch to a 27-30 to make the injection so you don't

have to peel them off the ceiling like you would if you used a 20.

Also, pushing the needle through the septum in the B-12 vial dulls it.

Dull needles HUUUUUURT when you stick them in. Sharp needles hurt a

lot less. So by switching needles you get a double benefit - a

thinner and sharper needle. .. . . . . . . . . . .

>but I do recommend getting it in the concentrated form.

> Right now we are using up the last of our 1 cc volume syringes. He

will feel

> the volume, so do it asleep at night and slowwww or stick him in two

doses.

Go slow when you squirt the stuff in (take about 30 seconds to put in

1 cc) and it won't hurt. Push hard on the plunger and it hurts a lot

from the liquid shooting into him - it isn't the needle you feel when

that happens. . . . . . .

> I have seen amazing results in compliance, verbalization and

receptive

> understanding. It took about three shots for me to notice. We were

doing

> nothing else new at the time so I know it's the shots. My son's OT

(who did

> not know we started anything new) came up to us demanding to know

why this

> child is now so different. That's when it hit me that I'm not just

imagining

> these changes. With the results I have seen, I wish I could give

him a shot

> everyday. G

[Guest guest]

> List mates,

>

> Our son (3.11) test came back showing a very significant Vit

> B12 deficiency, and our DAN doctor has recommended twice weekly B12

> injections. My wife is really hesitant on this (imagine sticking

your

> child twice weekly!) From my recent readings, I understand that

" lack

> of adequate B12 is a big cause of deranged brain metabolism " , and

> oral / sublingual B12 supplement is often ineffective since the body

> does not absorb it very well.

It is my personal opinion that because a SHOT is what caused my

child's issues, that I am allowing him no more shots, at least for

now. But if you do allow shots, be sure they are thimerosal and

aluminum free.

If something is not easily absorbed, I would tend to consider trying

enzymes to help with absorption, rather than a shot. But you would

need to contact the enzyme supplier/s to determine which enzyme might

be most helpful in absorbing the B12 you would be giving.

Dana

[Guest guest]

If you're reluctant to try shots (as I would be for my very sensitive son),

perhaps you could try boosting B-12, probably along with folic acid, for a

time, maybe a month or two, then retesting to see if the levels of B-12 had

risen. If not, then maybe consider the shots again. But if so, then perhaps

you could get away without the shots.

just my 2 cents worth,

Debbie

[Guest guest]

OK, i dont have information but heres my opinion for all its worth. I

wouldnt like to have my son stuck either, which is why i dropped the

secretin injections- whatever little gains we may have seen was not worth

putting my son through pain. HOWEVER had we seen major changes, i think i

would have felt it was worth putting him through it. So my suggestion would

be to try the shots for a while. Dont add anything else- no other new

interventions while your trying the shots because you want to be sure its

the shots that are making the changes and not something else your trying.

After a trial period, you and your wife can decide if the benefit is woth

the pain of the injections. Rivky

[ ] Vitamin B12 shots

> List mates,

>

> Our son (3.11) test came back showing a very significant Vit

> B12 deficiency, and our DAN doctor has recommended twice weekly B12

> injections. My wife is really hesitant on this (imagine sticking your

> child twice weekly!) From my recent readings, I understand that " lack

> of adequate B12 is a big cause of deranged brain metabolism " , and

> oral / sublingual B12 supplement is often ineffective since the body

> does not absorb it very well.

>

> Does any of you have further information / experience with B12

> injections. What improvements did you observe?

>

> I have to really get my ducks in a row to convince my wife on this. I am

> STILL trying to schedule a phone consultation with my DAN doctor.

>

> Many thanks,

>

> Mike

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Taking B12 orally or sublingually didn't work for me until I found a

B12 supplement with intrinsic factor in it. On separate occasions I

have taken B12 shots and I had my doctor prescribe hydroxycobalamin

in PLO gel. PLO gel is a carrier gel that carries things right

through the skin. I'm not too keen on shots. There's a reason I'm a

chiropractor! I got similar results with shots, gel, and B12 with

intrinsic factor. No results at all with oral B12 without intrinsic

factor or sublingual B12.

Whether you can get benefit from oral B12 probably has a lot to do

with whether or not you produce intrinsic factor. Many people who

are deficient in B12 probably got that way from an inability to

produce enough intrinsic factor, or some interference with its

function.

By the way, the usual B12 for injection is cyanocobalamin (supposedly

not as good as hydroxycobalamin, but I can't remember why) and it has

aluminum in it as a preservative (among other things, I think). I

got my preservative free hydroxycobalamin from the Tahoma Clinic's

pharmacy in Washington. This wasn't easy. Luckily my holistic M.D.

ordered it from them.

It is just easier to get the B12 with intrinsic factor in it and take

it orally. I use Vessel Care from Metagenics. Intrinsi-B12 with

Folate (also a Metagenics product) also works, but it doesn't have

TMG in it like the Vessel Care. I do well with the TMG and prefer

it. I list the other because anyone can be sensitive to anything and

it's nice to have options. Both of these products also have B6 and

folic acid, which are pretty important to take with B12.

Supplementing with B12 without them can lead to other problems.

Trudeau

> For those who thought the previous discussion of eating the B-12

> instead of injecting it is theoretical, it isn't.

>

> Aside from being based on regular MD literature articles where they

> did it both ways, I know of many mercury toxic adults who went from

> injections to oral use and it worked fine, as well as when I was

> eating my b-12 instead of injecting it, and the doc didn't believe

it

> could possibly work he had me do a blood test for B-12 and it was

so

> high the lab couldn't measure it.

>

> Andy .. . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

I think that was me you're talking about, and, no, I had no blood work done. I

asked and he said " bend over " . I now have found it on line and self-inject.

Don't get quite the 'buzz' I did but I feel lots better when I use it.

Ellana

[Guest guest]

Thanks for responding Ellana. Is it giving you enough energy that it's helping

you lose weight? Tell me how it is doing for you now??

Bev

Ellana <eclarke@...> wrote:

I think that was me you're talking about, and, no, I had no blood work done. I

asked and he said " bend over " . I now have found it on line and self-inject.

Don't get quite the 'buzz' I did but I feel lots better when I use it.

Ellana

[Guest guest]

I can't begin to be objective about the B-12 because I've just been diagnosed

with two ulcers so I am loosing weight because of them.

Ellana

[Guest guest]

This is not the same but I have drinking the energy drinks that have lots of

b-vitamins. And I feel much better the past few weeks. I am also loosing a few

pounds. I prefer the one called Monster over red bull. But it cost a few bucks,

but it helps with keeping my mind on things and getting me going. I would like

to know more about the Bshots.

Ellana <eclarke@...> wrote:I can't begin to be objective about the B-12

because I've just been diagnosed with two ulcers so I am loosing weight because

of them.

Ellana

[Guest guest]

HI Ellana,

How often do you take the shots? How often can you take them? Are you losing

because of the ulcers because you can't eat?

thanks

Bev

Ellana <eclarke@...> wrote:

I can't begin to be objective about the B-12 because I've just been diagnosed

with two ulcers so I am loosing weight because of them.

Ellana

[Guest guest]

With ulcers, (one in my stomach and one in my intestines) I cannot always

process the nutrition in the food I eat. My surgeon says one of the most

important vitamins (B-12) is lost. So, for now, I am injecting once a week. The

buzz I felt with the first injection, was telling me how low my body was for

B-12. The more I take it and the more my body uses it, the less buzz I'll get.

But, even with my ulcers and no appetite, I am feeling better and it will help

me recover.

Ellana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ellana,

Bev

Ellana <eclarke@...> wrote:

With ulcers, (one in my stomach and one in my intestines) I cannot always

process the nutrition in the food I eat. My surgeon says one of the most

important vitamins (B-12) is lost. So, for now, I am injecting once a week. The

buzz I felt with the first injection, was telling me how low my body was for

B-12. The more I take it and the more my body uses it, the less buzz I'll get.

But, even with my ulcers and no appetite, I am feeling better and it will help

me recover.

Ellana

[Guest guest]

Dennis I was B 12 deficient for a year or so prior to getting the

shots started. WIth the dificiency I had nueropathy in my feet and

hands, at the end I was having alot of problems with concentration,

memory and executive function. Once I was started on the right dose

of B12 it took a few weeks but I started to notice these symptoms

deminishing. I still have some residual effects of the dificiency

but am much better with those particular symptoms.

>

> Yesterday I went to the Rheumy's office for a 6 month checkup. I

guess I've

> been assigned to a NP that I don't particularly like, but I may be

stuck

> with her. We went from the subject of chronic fatigue to a shot of

B12,

> which she forgot about until I asked about it while being hurried

out the

> door. So, now I have a prescription for the liquid to be injected

once a

> week. I looked on-line for info on it, but didn't find what I am

confused

> about.

>

> If it does affect me, is it a subtle change or instant? What

particularly

> should I look for to know it's working?

>

> Dennis in Eastexas

> " Just being a dummy "

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I am B12 anemic. One of my rheumatologists told me it was more common in

people with RA. You can find out how effective the shots are through blood

tests. Do you use the B12 pills that melt under your tongue? If so, are they

effective?

Patsy from Pasadena, CA

Faith <fmt2002@...> wrote:

Dennis I was B 12 deficient for a year or so prior to getting the

shots started. WIth the dificiency I had nueropathy in my feet and

hands, at the end I was having alot of problems with concentration,

memory and executive function. Once I was started on the right dose

of B12 it took a few weeks but I started to notice these symptoms

deminishing. I still have some residual effects of the dificiency

but am much better with those particular symptoms.

>

> Yesterday I went to the Rheumy's office for a 6 month checkup. I

guess I've

> been assigned to a NP that I don't particularly like, but I may be

stuck

> with her. We went from the subject of chronic fatigue to a shot of

B12,

> which she forgot about until I asked about it while being hurried

out the

> door. So, now I have a prescription for the liquid to be injected

once a

> week. I looked on-line for info on it, but didn't find what I am

confused

> about.

>

> If it does affect me, is it a subtle change or instant? What

particularly

> should I look for to know it's working?

>

> Dennis in Eastexas

> " Just being a dummy "

>

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