Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 > > I was so frustrated for one local family who posted on a local yahoo > group that their son was swishing saliva around in his mouth, and the > ABA clinic he attended had begun to put the behavior " on extinction " . I > e-mailed her and asked her to take him to the doctor to check him for > strep throat, and she immediately e-mailed me back and said that his > sibling had strep at the time. She took him to the doctor that day, > YEP, STREP, and the behavior disappeared. I was frustrated that the > clinic saw it as a behavior to be extinguished instead of a possible > sign of something viral. > > Penny > Oh, that drives me NUTS! ALWAYS look for physical causes first (including illness, allergies, and reactions to medications), changes in the environment/routine next, and THEN other causes for new behaviors. Of course, I'm also the type of person who wouldn't target a behavior like saliva swishing with a behavior plan unless the parents REALLY wanted me to. Amnesty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Oh poor kid! Is something going on at school? Teasing or bullying or something just being too hard? If she wont tell you maybe a teacher or aide will. Is it possible her hormones are going? At 82 pounds it's unlikely she'll menstruate but that doesn't always stop the hormones from " practice cycles " . Strattera can cause weight loss, too, so that just makes things lovely, huh? It CAN also cause anger but hormones or frustration are more likely (in my experience. I took it for over a year). It's possible that she'll keep the conversation OFF the medication...it might have been what her brain needed at that time to make those gains, but she might be " done " with it. So stopping the med doesn't necessarily equal losing the gains...she is developing still, after all. Good luck to both of you, Kassiane --- babyfacesmom wrote: > Hello- > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is > having a really rough > time. She normally loves school but has come to > hate it. She is > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and > angry too much of the > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She has > lost about 20 lbs > in the last few months. One of the reasons she lost > the weight was > because she was on respirdol and I took her off and > she lost the weight > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on > losing. She is 5 4 > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency visit > with her dr > today. Last night she threw things at her bedroom > door and at us, this > is not like her. I was able to calm her by giving > her a full body hug > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them > together. She is on > strattera and this at first was amazing she was able > to have in depth > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. > But now she isn't > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to > lose the > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > T- > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Oh poor kid! Is something going on at school? Teasing or bullying or something just being too hard? If she wont tell you maybe a teacher or aide will. Is it possible her hormones are going? At 82 pounds it's unlikely she'll menstruate but that doesn't always stop the hormones from " practice cycles " . Strattera can cause weight loss, too, so that just makes things lovely, huh? It CAN also cause anger but hormones or frustration are more likely (in my experience. I took it for over a year). It's possible that she'll keep the conversation OFF the medication...it might have been what her brain needed at that time to make those gains, but she might be " done " with it. So stopping the med doesn't necessarily equal losing the gains...she is developing still, after all. Good luck to both of you, Kassiane --- babyfacesmom wrote: > Hello- > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is > having a really rough > time. She normally loves school but has come to > hate it. She is > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and > angry too much of the > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She has > lost about 20 lbs > in the last few months. One of the reasons she lost > the weight was > because she was on respirdol and I took her off and > she lost the weight > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on > losing. She is 5 4 > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency visit > with her dr > today. Last night she threw things at her bedroom > door and at us, this > is not like her. I was able to calm her by giving > her a full body hug > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them > together. She is on > strattera and this at first was amazing she was able > to have in depth > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. > But now she isn't > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to > lose the > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > T- > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I would defenely check for yeast or strepto. There are some signs for yeast, like red cheeks and face, cracking corner of lips, and easy brusing. There is testing available. Strepto you can do a throat or anal culture. If it is strepto, there are protocols to treat it, but the sooner the better. Good luck with your daughter, and if you need information about the testing I have the labs names. Also, it can be that she is going through changes in her body, there is testing for hormones too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I would defenely check for yeast or strepto. There are some signs for yeast, like red cheeks and face, cracking corner of lips, and easy brusing. There is testing available. Strepto you can do a throat or anal culture. If it is strepto, there are protocols to treat it, but the sooner the better. Good luck with your daughter, and if you need information about the testing I have the labs names. Also, it can be that she is going through changes in her body, there is testing for hormones too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Thanks to everyone for your help... Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the face. I thought they might have to take me away in a stretcher today at her dr's appt. Not because it hurt, which it did and still does. She might have broken something. But because I thought I might lose my mind. She pinched me a few times too. It was horrible. Oh and the dr canceled on us and we had to see the PA (which normally is fine and I usually like them better) but not today not when I called and tell them we are in crisis mode. Then the fun started I demanded to see the dr and they wouldn't let me. I eventually left to go to my dr's appt and my mother in law stayed to make a followup appt. She had to yell and cause a scene to get the appts we needed. One to actually see her dr and the other for her to see a person to talk to. I am so po'd. Kayla's dr saw us a few days ago and said just call and demand to talk to me and I will fit you in - that didn't work and when he came out 3 times he never came over to see why my mil was yelling at them. Her throat looks good, she said her ears and throat feel good. It is something bigger. I just want them to help and it seemed like I was asking for the moon. I have never had this experience with the dr's office before. I think it could be too much strattera for her weight and we are reducing it immediately, I wanted to cold turkey her but with how she is behaving I am not sure I should do that. I also think it could be hormones and something at school. Kayla did this once before she was about 8 and it was the first time she realized she was different and she took it out on me physically. It didn't last to long but at 8 she could lift me off of her. She is one strong lady. Maybe I should enter in the strongest woman contests. Ha ha. Thank you all so much for listening and advising. It really means alot to me. I am at my witts end.. T- > Oh poor kid! > > Is something going on at school? Teasing or bullying > or something just being too hard? If she wont tell you > maybe a teacher or aide will. > > Is it possible her hormones are going? At 82 pounds > it's unlikely she'll menstruate but that doesn't > always stop the hormones from " practice cycles " . > Strattera can cause weight loss, too, so that just > makes things lovely, huh? It CAN also cause anger but > hormones or frustration are more likely (in my > experience. I took it for over a year). > > It's possible that she'll keep the conversation OFF > the medication...it might have been what her brain > needed at that time to make those gains, but she might > be " done " with it. So stopping the med doesn't > necessarily equal losing the gains...she is developing > still, after all. > > Good luck to both of you, > > Kassiane > > > --- babyfacesmom <taijijat@... <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Hello- > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is > > having a really rough > > time. She normally loves school but has come to > > hate it. She is > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and > > angry too much of the > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She has > > lost about 20 lbs > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she lost > > the weight was > > because she was on respirdol and I took her off and > > she lost the weight > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on > > losing. She is 5 4 > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency visit > > with her dr > > today. Last night she threw things at her bedroom > > door and at us, this > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by giving > > her a full body hug > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them > > together. She is on > > strattera and this at first was amazing she was able > > to have in depth > > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. > > But now she isn't > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to > > lose the > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > T- > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Thanks to everyone for your help... Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the face. I thought they might have to take me away in a stretcher today at her dr's appt. Not because it hurt, which it did and still does. She might have broken something. But because I thought I might lose my mind. She pinched me a few times too. It was horrible. Oh and the dr canceled on us and we had to see the PA (which normally is fine and I usually like them better) but not today not when I called and tell them we are in crisis mode. Then the fun started I demanded to see the dr and they wouldn't let me. I eventually left to go to my dr's appt and my mother in law stayed to make a followup appt. She had to yell and cause a scene to get the appts we needed. One to actually see her dr and the other for her to see a person to talk to. I am so po'd. Kayla's dr saw us a few days ago and said just call and demand to talk to me and I will fit you in - that didn't work and when he came out 3 times he never came over to see why my mil was yelling at them. Her throat looks good, she said her ears and throat feel good. It is something bigger. I just want them to help and it seemed like I was asking for the moon. I have never had this experience with the dr's office before. I think it could be too much strattera for her weight and we are reducing it immediately, I wanted to cold turkey her but with how she is behaving I am not sure I should do that. I also think it could be hormones and something at school. Kayla did this once before she was about 8 and it was the first time she realized she was different and she took it out on me physically. It didn't last to long but at 8 she could lift me off of her. She is one strong lady. Maybe I should enter in the strongest woman contests. Ha ha. Thank you all so much for listening and advising. It really means alot to me. I am at my witts end.. T- > Oh poor kid! > > Is something going on at school? Teasing or bullying > or something just being too hard? If she wont tell you > maybe a teacher or aide will. > > Is it possible her hormones are going? At 82 pounds > it's unlikely she'll menstruate but that doesn't > always stop the hormones from " practice cycles " . > Strattera can cause weight loss, too, so that just > makes things lovely, huh? It CAN also cause anger but > hormones or frustration are more likely (in my > experience. I took it for over a year). > > It's possible that she'll keep the conversation OFF > the medication...it might have been what her brain > needed at that time to make those gains, but she might > be " done " with it. So stopping the med doesn't > necessarily equal losing the gains...she is developing > still, after all. > > Good luck to both of you, > > Kassiane > > > --- babyfacesmom <taijijat@... <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Hello- > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is > > having a really rough > > time. She normally loves school but has come to > > hate it. She is > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and > > angry too much of the > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She has > > lost about 20 lbs > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she lost > > the weight was > > because she was on respirdol and I took her off and > > she lost the weight > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on > > losing. She is 5 4 > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency visit > > with her dr > > today. Last night she threw things at her bedroom > > door and at us, this > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by giving > > her a full body hug > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them > > together. She is on > > strattera and this at first was amazing she was able > > to have in depth > > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. > > But now she isn't > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to > > lose the > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > T- > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Are epsom salts baths calming to her? > > Thanks to everyone for your help... > Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 She's in a lavender bath right now. I am hoping it helps some. OK, alot. > > Are epsom salts baths calming to her? > > > > > > > Thanks to everyone for your help... > > Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the face. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 She's in a lavender bath right now. I am hoping it helps some. OK, alot. > > Are epsom salts baths calming to her? > > > > > > > Thanks to everyone for your help... > > Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the face. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 What an awful day! May I ask how much Strattera Kayla takes? I was 21 and took 40mg. Any more than that and all I did was cry all the time. Cold turkeying off wasn't so hot either. BLEH to doctors. I hope you get answers soon, you're probably BOTH miserable. Kassiane --- taijij at work wrote: > Thanks to everyone for your help... > Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the > face. I thought they might > have to take me away in a stretcher today at her > dr's appt. Not because it > hurt, which it did and still does. She might have > broken something. But > because I thought I might lose my mind. She pinched > me a few times too. It > was horrible. Oh and the dr canceled on us and we > had to see the PA (which > normally is fine and I usually like them better) but > not today not when I > called and tell them we are in crisis mode. Then > the fun started I demanded > to see the dr and they wouldn't let me. I > eventually left to go to my dr's > appt and my mother in law stayed to make a followup > appt. She had to yell > and cause a scene to get the appts we needed. One > to actually see her dr > and the other for her to see a person to talk to. I > am so po'd. Kayla's dr > saw us a few days ago and said just call and demand > to talk to me and I will > fit you in - that didn't work and when he came out 3 > times he never came > over to see why my mil was yelling at them. > > Her throat looks good, she said her ears and throat > feel good. It is > something bigger. I just want them to help and it > seemed like I was asking > for the moon. I have never had this experience with > the dr's office before. > > I think it could be too much strattera for her > weight and we are reducing it > immediately, I wanted to cold turkey her but with > how she is behaving I am > not sure I should do that. I also think it could be > hormones and something > at school. > > Kayla did this once before she was about 8 and it > was the first time she > realized she was different and she took it out on me > physically. It didn't > last to long but at 8 she could lift me off of her. > She is one strong lady. > Maybe I should enter in the strongest woman > contests. Ha ha. > > Thank you all so much for listening and advising. > It really means alot to > me. I am at my witts end.. > > > T- > > On Jan 3, 2008 4:29 PM, Kassi > wrote: > > > Oh poor kid! > > > > Is something going on at school? Teasing or > bullying > > or something just being too hard? If she wont tell > you > > maybe a teacher or aide will. > > > > Is it possible her hormones are going? At 82 > pounds > > it's unlikely she'll menstruate but that doesn't > > always stop the hormones from " practice cycles " . > > Strattera can cause weight loss, too, so that just > > makes things lovely, huh? It CAN also cause anger > but > > hormones or frustration are more likely (in my > > experience. I took it for over a year). > > > > It's possible that she'll keep the conversation > OFF > > the medication...it might have been what her brain > > needed at that time to make those gains, but she > might > > be " done " with it. So stopping the med doesn't > > necessarily equal losing the gains...she is > developing > > still, after all. > > > > Good luck to both of you, > > > > Kassiane > > > > > > --- babyfacesmom <taijijat@... > <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is > > > having a really rough > > > time. She normally loves school but has come to > > > hate it. She is > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and > > > angry too much of the > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She > has > > > lost about 20 lbs > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she > lost > > > the weight was > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her off > and > > > she lost the weight > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on > > > losing. She is 5 4 > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency > visit > > > with her dr > > > today. Last night she threw things at her > bedroom > > > door and at us, this > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by > giving > > > her a full body hug > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them > > > together. She is on > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she was > able > > > to have in depth > > > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. > > > But now she isn't > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to > > > lose the > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 What an awful day! May I ask how much Strattera Kayla takes? I was 21 and took 40mg. Any more than that and all I did was cry all the time. Cold turkeying off wasn't so hot either. BLEH to doctors. I hope you get answers soon, you're probably BOTH miserable. Kassiane --- taijij at work wrote: > Thanks to everyone for your help... > Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the > face. I thought they might > have to take me away in a stretcher today at her > dr's appt. Not because it > hurt, which it did and still does. She might have > broken something. But > because I thought I might lose my mind. She pinched > me a few times too. It > was horrible. Oh and the dr canceled on us and we > had to see the PA (which > normally is fine and I usually like them better) but > not today not when I > called and tell them we are in crisis mode. Then > the fun started I demanded > to see the dr and they wouldn't let me. I > eventually left to go to my dr's > appt and my mother in law stayed to make a followup > appt. She had to yell > and cause a scene to get the appts we needed. One > to actually see her dr > and the other for her to see a person to talk to. I > am so po'd. Kayla's dr > saw us a few days ago and said just call and demand > to talk to me and I will > fit you in - that didn't work and when he came out 3 > times he never came > over to see why my mil was yelling at them. > > Her throat looks good, she said her ears and throat > feel good. It is > something bigger. I just want them to help and it > seemed like I was asking > for the moon. I have never had this experience with > the dr's office before. > > I think it could be too much strattera for her > weight and we are reducing it > immediately, I wanted to cold turkey her but with > how she is behaving I am > not sure I should do that. I also think it could be > hormones and something > at school. > > Kayla did this once before she was about 8 and it > was the first time she > realized she was different and she took it out on me > physically. It didn't > last to long but at 8 she could lift me off of her. > She is one strong lady. > Maybe I should enter in the strongest woman > contests. Ha ha. > > Thank you all so much for listening and advising. > It really means alot to > me. I am at my witts end.. > > > T- > > On Jan 3, 2008 4:29 PM, Kassi > wrote: > > > Oh poor kid! > > > > Is something going on at school? Teasing or > bullying > > or something just being too hard? If she wont tell > you > > maybe a teacher or aide will. > > > > Is it possible her hormones are going? At 82 > pounds > > it's unlikely she'll menstruate but that doesn't > > always stop the hormones from " practice cycles " . > > Strattera can cause weight loss, too, so that just > > makes things lovely, huh? It CAN also cause anger > but > > hormones or frustration are more likely (in my > > experience. I took it for over a year). > > > > It's possible that she'll keep the conversation > OFF > > the medication...it might have been what her brain > > needed at that time to make those gains, but she > might > > be " done " with it. So stopping the med doesn't > > necessarily equal losing the gains...she is > developing > > still, after all. > > > > Good luck to both of you, > > > > Kassiane > > > > > > --- babyfacesmom <taijijat@... > <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is > > > having a really rough > > > time. She normally loves school but has come to > > > hate it. She is > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and > > > angry too much of the > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She > has > > > lost about 20 lbs > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she > lost > > > the weight was > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her off > and > > > she lost the weight > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on > > > losing. She is 5 4 > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency > visit > > > with her dr > > > today. Last night she threw things at her > bedroom > > > door and at us, this > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by > giving > > > her a full body hug > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them > > > together. She is on > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she was > able > > > to have in depth > > > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. > > > But now she isn't > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to > > > lose the > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Kassi- She takes too much as of yesterday 60 mgs but within a week she will be down to 40mg. After that I will re evaluate the whole thing. I know we are both miserable. I am on a ton of pain killers right now (car accident, fibromyalgia, nerve damage to one foot) and I can still feel the pain in my face from where she punched me. I just don't know what it is that is driving her nuts. I want to take all the pain away from her, I would take in all on my shoulders if it were possible. I just don't know what to do. She won't tell me what's wrong, so she has an appt to talk with someone, hope she does talk. Thanks for telling me that you don't think she will lose the conversation skills. I hope you are right. She really isn't talking much lately. T- > What an awful day! > > May I ask how much Strattera Kayla takes? I was 21 and > took 40mg. Any more than that and all I did was cry > all the time. Cold turkeying off wasn't so hot either. > > BLEH to doctors. I hope you get answers soon, you're > probably BOTH miserable. > > Kassiane > > > --- taijij at work <taijijat@... <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Thanks to everyone for your help... > > Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the > > face. I thought they might > > have to take me away in a stretcher today at her > > dr's appt. Not because it > > hurt, which it did and still does. She might have > > broken something. But > > because I thought I might lose my mind. She pinched > > me a few times too. It > > was horrible. Oh and the dr canceled on us and we > > had to see the PA (which > > normally is fine and I usually like them better) but > > not today not when I > > called and tell them we are in crisis mode. Then > > the fun started I demanded > > to see the dr and they wouldn't let me. I > > eventually left to go to my dr's > > appt and my mother in law stayed to make a followup > > appt. She had to yell > > and cause a scene to get the appts we needed. One > > to actually see her dr > > and the other for her to see a person to talk to. I > > am so po'd. Kayla's dr > > saw us a few days ago and said just call and demand > > to talk to me and I will > > fit you in - that didn't work and when he came out 3 > > times he never came > > over to see why my mil was yelling at them. > > > > Her throat looks good, she said her ears and throat > > feel good. It is > > something bigger. I just want them to help and it > > seemed like I was asking > > for the moon. I have never had this experience with > > the dr's office before. > > > > I think it could be too much strattera for her > > weight and we are reducing it > > immediately, I wanted to cold turkey her but with > > how she is behaving I am > > not sure I should do that. I also think it could be > > hormones and something > > at school. > > > > Kayla did this once before she was about 8 and it > > was the first time she > > realized she was different and she took it out on me > > physically. It didn't > > last to long but at 8 she could lift me off of her. > > She is one strong lady. > > Maybe I should enter in the strongest woman > > contests. Ha ha. > > > > Thank you all so much for listening and advising. > > It really means alot to > > me. I am at my witts end.. > > > > > > T- > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 4:29 PM, Kassi > > <kassihatestwistin@... <kassihatestwistin%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > > Oh poor kid! > > > > > > Is something going on at school? Teasing or > > bullying > > > or something just being too hard? If she wont tell > > you > > > maybe a teacher or aide will. > > > > > > Is it possible her hormones are going? At 82 > > pounds > > > it's unlikely she'll menstruate but that doesn't > > > always stop the hormones from " practice cycles " . > > > Strattera can cause weight loss, too, so that just > > > makes things lovely, huh? It CAN also cause anger > > but > > > hormones or frustration are more likely (in my > > > experience. I took it for over a year). > > > > > > It's possible that she'll keep the conversation > > OFF > > > the medication...it might have been what her brain > > > needed at that time to make those gains, but she > > might > > > be " done " with it. So stopping the med doesn't > > > necessarily equal losing the gains...she is > > developing > > > still, after all. > > > > > > Good luck to both of you, > > > > > > Kassiane > > > > > > > > > --- babyfacesmom <taijijat@... <taijijat%40gmail.com> > > <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is > > > > having a really rough > > > > time. She normally loves school but has come to > > > > hate it. She is > > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and > > > > angry too much of the > > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She > > has > > > > lost about 20 lbs > > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she > > lost > > > > the weight was > > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her off > > and > > > > she lost the weight > > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on > > > > losing. She is 5 4 > > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency > > visit > > > > with her dr > > > > today. Last night she threw things at her > > bedroom > > > > door and at us, this > > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by > > giving > > > > her a full body hug > > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them > > > > together. She is on > > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she was > > able > > > > to have in depth > > > > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. > > > > But now she isn't > > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to > > > > lose the > > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Kassi- She takes too much as of yesterday 60 mgs but within a week she will be down to 40mg. After that I will re evaluate the whole thing. I know we are both miserable. I am on a ton of pain killers right now (car accident, fibromyalgia, nerve damage to one foot) and I can still feel the pain in my face from where she punched me. I just don't know what it is that is driving her nuts. I want to take all the pain away from her, I would take in all on my shoulders if it were possible. I just don't know what to do. She won't tell me what's wrong, so she has an appt to talk with someone, hope she does talk. Thanks for telling me that you don't think she will lose the conversation skills. I hope you are right. She really isn't talking much lately. T- > What an awful day! > > May I ask how much Strattera Kayla takes? I was 21 and > took 40mg. Any more than that and all I did was cry > all the time. Cold turkeying off wasn't so hot either. > > BLEH to doctors. I hope you get answers soon, you're > probably BOTH miserable. > > Kassiane > > > --- taijij at work <taijijat@... <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Thanks to everyone for your help... > > Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the > > face. I thought they might > > have to take me away in a stretcher today at her > > dr's appt. Not because it > > hurt, which it did and still does. She might have > > broken something. But > > because I thought I might lose my mind. She pinched > > me a few times too. It > > was horrible. Oh and the dr canceled on us and we > > had to see the PA (which > > normally is fine and I usually like them better) but > > not today not when I > > called and tell them we are in crisis mode. Then > > the fun started I demanded > > to see the dr and they wouldn't let me. I > > eventually left to go to my dr's > > appt and my mother in law stayed to make a followup > > appt. She had to yell > > and cause a scene to get the appts we needed. One > > to actually see her dr > > and the other for her to see a person to talk to. I > > am so po'd. Kayla's dr > > saw us a few days ago and said just call and demand > > to talk to me and I will > > fit you in - that didn't work and when he came out 3 > > times he never came > > over to see why my mil was yelling at them. > > > > Her throat looks good, she said her ears and throat > > feel good. It is > > something bigger. I just want them to help and it > > seemed like I was asking > > for the moon. I have never had this experience with > > the dr's office before. > > > > I think it could be too much strattera for her > > weight and we are reducing it > > immediately, I wanted to cold turkey her but with > > how she is behaving I am > > not sure I should do that. I also think it could be > > hormones and something > > at school. > > > > Kayla did this once before she was about 8 and it > > was the first time she > > realized she was different and she took it out on me > > physically. It didn't > > last to long but at 8 she could lift me off of her. > > She is one strong lady. > > Maybe I should enter in the strongest woman > > contests. Ha ha. > > > > Thank you all so much for listening and advising. > > It really means alot to > > me. I am at my witts end.. > > > > > > T- > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 4:29 PM, Kassi > > <kassihatestwistin@... <kassihatestwistin%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > > Oh poor kid! > > > > > > Is something going on at school? Teasing or > > bullying > > > or something just being too hard? If she wont tell > > you > > > maybe a teacher or aide will. > > > > > > Is it possible her hormones are going? At 82 > > pounds > > > it's unlikely she'll menstruate but that doesn't > > > always stop the hormones from " practice cycles " . > > > Strattera can cause weight loss, too, so that just > > > makes things lovely, huh? It CAN also cause anger > > but > > > hormones or frustration are more likely (in my > > > experience. I took it for over a year). > > > > > > It's possible that she'll keep the conversation > > OFF > > > the medication...it might have been what her brain > > > needed at that time to make those gains, but she > > might > > > be " done " with it. So stopping the med doesn't > > > necessarily equal losing the gains...she is > > developing > > > still, after all. > > > > > > Good luck to both of you, > > > > > > Kassiane > > > > > > > > > --- babyfacesmom <taijijat@... <taijijat%40gmail.com> > > <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is > > > > having a really rough > > > > time. She normally loves school but has come to > > > > hate it. She is > > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and > > > > angry too much of the > > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She > > has > > > > lost about 20 lbs > > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she > > lost > > > > the weight was > > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her off > > and > > > > she lost the weight > > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on > > > > losing. She is 5 4 > > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency > > visit > > > > with her dr > > > > today. Last night she threw things at her > > bedroom > > > > door and at us, this > > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by > > giving > > > > her a full body hug > > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them > > > > together. She is on > > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she was > > able > > > > to have in depth > > > > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. > > > > But now she isn't > > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to > > > > lose the > > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I am so sorry that you have to be both dealing with this. I would suggest letting her have the day off of school for a bit here until you can figure out if it is a school issue (if you can handle that) and get your mil to help or something. The reason I say this, is because after my 6 year old was acting like that for quite some time and nothing else working, I asked her if she wanted to do school with mommy at home? Her eyes lit up and she began handflapping and she said, " School with mommy, Yay " She repeated it about forty times. I don't know what the problem at school was, but since she couldn't tell me and it was messing up our lives that bad, it was not worth it to me, to force her to be there. She has never acted out a day since then and I have been homeschooling ever since. SHe has advanced a ton and is already writing her name herself and learning to read and she is only in Kindergarten. She is so easy going and happy and we are really starting to communicate together very well. Good luck, and again, I am so sorry! But you sound like a very loving mom and I know that you can keep going, even if you don't know that. There have been too many times that I thought I could not keep on going and yet, I have. So take a deep breath, say a prayer of have some quiet time and hopefully tomorrow will be better, but if not, know you are not alone we are here for you. Esther --- Kassi wrote: > What an awful day! > > May I ask how much Strattera Kayla takes? I was 21 > and > took 40mg. Any more than that and all I did was cry > all the time. Cold turkeying off wasn't so hot > either. > > BLEH to doctors. I hope you get answers soon, you're > probably BOTH miserable. > > Kassiane > > --- taijij at work wrote: > > > Thanks to everyone for your help... > > Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the > > face. I thought they might > > have to take me away in a stretcher today at her > > dr's appt. Not because it > > hurt, which it did and still does. She might have > > broken something. But > > because I thought I might lose my mind. She > pinched > > me a few times too. It > > was horrible. Oh and the dr canceled on us and we > > had to see the PA (which > > normally is fine and I usually like them better) > but > > not today not when I > > called and tell them we are in crisis mode. Then > > the fun started I demanded > > to see the dr and they wouldn't let me. I > > eventually left to go to my dr's > > appt and my mother in law stayed to make a > followup > > appt. She had to yell > > and cause a scene to get the appts we needed. One > > to actually see her dr > > and the other for her to see a person to talk to. > I > > am so po'd. Kayla's dr > > saw us a few days ago and said just call and > demand > > to talk to me and I will > > fit you in - that didn't work and when he came out > 3 > > times he never came > > over to see why my mil was yelling at them. > > > > Her throat looks good, she said her ears and > throat > > feel good. It is > > something bigger. I just want them to help and it > > seemed like I was asking > > for the moon. I have never had this experience > with > > the dr's office before. > > > > I think it could be too much strattera for her > > weight and we are reducing it > > immediately, I wanted to cold turkey her but with > > how she is behaving I am > > not sure I should do that. I also think it could > be > > hormones and something > > at school. > > > > Kayla did this once before she was about 8 and it > > was the first time she > > realized she was different and she took it out on > me > > physically. It didn't > > last to long but at 8 she could lift me off of > her. > > She is one strong lady. > > Maybe I should enter in the strongest woman > > contests. Ha ha. > > > > Thank you all so much for listening and advising. > > It really means alot to > > me. I am at my witts end.. > > > > > > T- > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 4:29 PM, Kassi > > wrote: > > > > > Oh poor kid! > > > > > > Is something going on at school? Teasing or > > bullying > > > or something just being too hard? If she wont > tell > > you > > > maybe a teacher or aide will. > > > > > > Is it possible her hormones are going? At 82 > > pounds > > > it's unlikely she'll menstruate but that doesn't > > > always stop the hormones from " practice cycles " . > > > Strattera can cause weight loss, too, so that > just > > > makes things lovely, huh? It CAN also cause > anger > > but > > > hormones or frustration are more likely (in my > > > experience. I took it for over a year). > > > > > > It's possible that she'll keep the conversation > > OFF > > > the medication...it might have been what her > brain > > > needed at that time to make those gains, but she > > might > > > be " done " with it. So stopping the med doesn't > > > necessarily equal losing the gains...she is > > developing > > > still, after all. > > > > > > Good luck to both of you, > > > > > > Kassiane > > > > > > > > > --- babyfacesmom <taijijat@... > > <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is > > > > having a really rough > > > > time. She normally loves school but has come > to > > > > hate it. She is > > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean > and > > > > angry too much of the > > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She > > has > > > > lost about 20 lbs > > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she > > lost > > > > the weight was > > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her > off > > and > > > > she lost the weight > > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept > on > > > > losing. She is 5 4 > > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency > > visit > > > > with her dr > > > > today. Last night she threw things at her > > bedroom > > > > door and at us, this > > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by > > giving > > > > her a full body hug > > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them > > > > together. She is on > > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she > was > > able > > > > to have in depth > > > > two way conversations with it. She was so > happy. > > > > But now she isn't > > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her > to > > > > lose the > > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I am so sorry that you have to be both dealing with this. I would suggest letting her have the day off of school for a bit here until you can figure out if it is a school issue (if you can handle that) and get your mil to help or something. The reason I say this, is because after my 6 year old was acting like that for quite some time and nothing else working, I asked her if she wanted to do school with mommy at home? Her eyes lit up and she began handflapping and she said, " School with mommy, Yay " She repeated it about forty times. I don't know what the problem at school was, but since she couldn't tell me and it was messing up our lives that bad, it was not worth it to me, to force her to be there. She has never acted out a day since then and I have been homeschooling ever since. SHe has advanced a ton and is already writing her name herself and learning to read and she is only in Kindergarten. She is so easy going and happy and we are really starting to communicate together very well. Good luck, and again, I am so sorry! But you sound like a very loving mom and I know that you can keep going, even if you don't know that. There have been too many times that I thought I could not keep on going and yet, I have. So take a deep breath, say a prayer of have some quiet time and hopefully tomorrow will be better, but if not, know you are not alone we are here for you. Esther --- Kassi wrote: > What an awful day! > > May I ask how much Strattera Kayla takes? I was 21 > and > took 40mg. Any more than that and all I did was cry > all the time. Cold turkeying off wasn't so hot > either. > > BLEH to doctors. I hope you get answers soon, you're > probably BOTH miserable. > > Kassiane > > --- taijij at work wrote: > > > Thanks to everyone for your help... > > Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the > > face. I thought they might > > have to take me away in a stretcher today at her > > dr's appt. Not because it > > hurt, which it did and still does. She might have > > broken something. But > > because I thought I might lose my mind. She > pinched > > me a few times too. It > > was horrible. Oh and the dr canceled on us and we > > had to see the PA (which > > normally is fine and I usually like them better) > but > > not today not when I > > called and tell them we are in crisis mode. Then > > the fun started I demanded > > to see the dr and they wouldn't let me. I > > eventually left to go to my dr's > > appt and my mother in law stayed to make a > followup > > appt. She had to yell > > and cause a scene to get the appts we needed. One > > to actually see her dr > > and the other for her to see a person to talk to. > I > > am so po'd. Kayla's dr > > saw us a few days ago and said just call and > demand > > to talk to me and I will > > fit you in - that didn't work and when he came out > 3 > > times he never came > > over to see why my mil was yelling at them. > > > > Her throat looks good, she said her ears and > throat > > feel good. It is > > something bigger. I just want them to help and it > > seemed like I was asking > > for the moon. I have never had this experience > with > > the dr's office before. > > > > I think it could be too much strattera for her > > weight and we are reducing it > > immediately, I wanted to cold turkey her but with > > how she is behaving I am > > not sure I should do that. I also think it could > be > > hormones and something > > at school. > > > > Kayla did this once before she was about 8 and it > > was the first time she > > realized she was different and she took it out on > me > > physically. It didn't > > last to long but at 8 she could lift me off of > her. > > She is one strong lady. > > Maybe I should enter in the strongest woman > > contests. Ha ha. > > > > Thank you all so much for listening and advising. > > It really means alot to > > me. I am at my witts end.. > > > > > > T- > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 4:29 PM, Kassi > > wrote: > > > > > Oh poor kid! > > > > > > Is something going on at school? Teasing or > > bullying > > > or something just being too hard? If she wont > tell > > you > > > maybe a teacher or aide will. > > > > > > Is it possible her hormones are going? At 82 > > pounds > > > it's unlikely she'll menstruate but that doesn't > > > always stop the hormones from " practice cycles " . > > > Strattera can cause weight loss, too, so that > just > > > makes things lovely, huh? It CAN also cause > anger > > but > > > hormones or frustration are more likely (in my > > > experience. I took it for over a year). > > > > > > It's possible that she'll keep the conversation > > OFF > > > the medication...it might have been what her > brain > > > needed at that time to make those gains, but she > > might > > > be " done " with it. So stopping the med doesn't > > > necessarily equal losing the gains...she is > > developing > > > still, after all. > > > > > > Good luck to both of you, > > > > > > Kassiane > > > > > > > > > --- babyfacesmom <taijijat@... > > <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is > > > > having a really rough > > > > time. She normally loves school but has come > to > > > > hate it. She is > > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean > and > > > > angry too much of the > > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She > > has > > > > lost about 20 lbs > > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she > > lost > > > > the weight was > > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her > off > > and > > > > she lost the weight > > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept > on > > > > losing. She is 5 4 > > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency > > visit > > > > with her dr > > > > today. Last night she threw things at her > > bedroom > > > > door and at us, this > > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by > > giving > > > > her a full body hug > > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them > > > > together. She is on > > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she > was > > able > > > > to have in depth > > > > two way conversations with it. She was so > happy. > > > > But now she isn't > > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her > to > > > > lose the > > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Ester- Thank you for your support. It means alot to me to have you all reach out to me. Thank you everyone. I would normally go to my mother with all this but since she has passed in March, I really don't have anyone that understands. I do have my mil but it's different. I could let her stay home and she would like that. I would like to find out what the problem is at school. I will be calling tomorrow to find out. If I don't get a good answer I will show up or mil will. I don't want her to suffer but I don't want to teach her that she should run. It really is difficult. My son (17 in a few days) had a horrible bullying incident at school last year and I as his mother wanted to beat the crap out the the boys and shelter my son from any more bullying. But my brain knew that wouldn't help him in the end. I had to encourage him to go. It about killed me. I was a wreck. I cried and worried. He is doing better now. I got way off point there, sorry. Anyway, I don't have the capabilities to teach her at home. I don't think it would work well for her or me. The only good thing, if it is school is we will be moving from Long Island to South Carolina soon. I think it's great that you have the ability to home school. I just don't have the patience to do that. As I am typing this I just bit my mil's head off. I have none left today. I keep hoping a massage therapist will miraculously show up at my house, that would be such a stress reducer. t- > I am so sorry that you have to be both dealing with > this. I would suggest letting her have the day off of > school for a bit here until you can figure out if it > is a school issue (if you can handle that) and get > your mil to help or something. The reason I say this, > is because after my 6 year old was acting like that > for quite some time and nothing else working, I asked > her if she wanted to do school with mommy at home? Her > eyes lit up and she began handflapping and she said, > " School with mommy, Yay " She repeated it about forty > times. I don't know what the problem at school was, > but since she couldn't tell me and it was messing up > our lives that bad, it was not worth it to me, to > force her to be there. > She has never acted out a day since then and I have > been homeschooling ever since. SHe has advanced a ton > and is already writing her name herself and learning > to read and she is only in Kindergarten. She is so > easy going and happy and we are really starting to > communicate together very well. > Good luck, and again, I am so sorry! But you sound > like a very loving mom and I know that you can keep > going, even if you don't know that. There have been > too many times that I thought I could not keep on > going and yet, I have. So take a deep breath, say a > prayer of have some quiet time and hopefully tomorrow > will be better, but if not, know you are not alone we > are here for you. > Esther > > > --- Kassi <kassihatestwistin@... <kassihatestwistin%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > What an awful day! > > > > May I ask how much Strattera Kayla takes? I was 21 > > and > > took 40mg. Any more than that and all I did was cry > > all the time. Cold turkeying off wasn't so hot > > either. > > > > BLEH to doctors. I hope you get answers soon, you're > > probably BOTH miserable. > > > > Kassiane > > > > --- taijij at work <taijijat@... <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > Thanks to everyone for your help... > > > Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the > > > face. I thought they might > > > have to take me away in a stretcher today at her > > > dr's appt. Not because it > > > hurt, which it did and still does. She might have > > > broken something. But > > > because I thought I might lose my mind. She > > pinched > > > me a few times too. It > > > was horrible. Oh and the dr canceled on us and we > > > had to see the PA (which > > > normally is fine and I usually like them better) > > but > > > not today not when I > > > called and tell them we are in crisis mode. Then > > > the fun started I demanded > > > to see the dr and they wouldn't let me. I > > > eventually left to go to my dr's > > > appt and my mother in law stayed to make a > > followup > > > appt. She had to yell > > > and cause a scene to get the appts we needed. One > > > to actually see her dr > > > and the other for her to see a person to talk to. > > I > > > am so po'd. Kayla's dr > > > saw us a few days ago and said just call and > > demand > > > to talk to me and I will > > > fit you in - that didn't work and when he came out > > 3 > > > times he never came > > > over to see why my mil was yelling at them. > > > > > > Her throat looks good, she said her ears and > > throat > > > feel good. It is > > > something bigger. I just want them to help and it > > > seemed like I was asking > > > for the moon. I have never had this experience > > with > > > the dr's office before. > > > > > > I think it could be too much strattera for her > > > weight and we are reducing it > > > immediately, I wanted to cold turkey her but with > > > how she is behaving I am > > > not sure I should do that. I also think it could > > be > > > hormones and something > > > at school. > > > > > > Kayla did this once before she was about 8 and it > > > was the first time she > > > realized she was different and she took it out on > > me > > > physically. It didn't > > > last to long but at 8 she could lift me off of > > her. > > > She is one strong lady. > > > Maybe I should enter in the strongest woman > > > contests. Ha ha. > > > > > > Thank you all so much for listening and advising. > > > It really means alot to > > > me. I am at my witts end.. > > > > > > > > > T- > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 4:29 PM, Kassi > > > <kassihatestwistin@... <kassihatestwistin%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > Oh poor kid! > > > > > > > > Is something going on at school? Teasing or > > > bullying > > > > or something just being too hard? If she wont > > tell > > > you > > > > maybe a teacher or aide will. > > > > > > > > Is it possible her hormones are going? At 82 > > > pounds > > > > it's unlikely she'll menstruate but that doesn't > > > > always stop the hormones from " practice cycles " . > > > > Strattera can cause weight loss, too, so that > > just > > > > makes things lovely, huh? It CAN also cause > > anger > > > but > > > > hormones or frustration are more likely (in my > > > > experience. I took it for over a year). > > > > > > > > It's possible that she'll keep the conversation > > > OFF > > > > the medication...it might have been what her > > brain > > > > needed at that time to make those gains, but she > > > might > > > > be " done " with it. So stopping the med doesn't > > > > necessarily equal losing the gains...she is > > > developing > > > > still, after all. > > > > > > > > Good luck to both of you, > > > > > > > > Kassiane > > > > > > > > > > > > --- babyfacesmom <taijijat@... <taijijat%40gmail.com> > > > <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is > > > > > having a really rough > > > > > time. She normally loves school but has come > > to > > > > > hate it. She is > > > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean > > and > > > > > angry too much of the > > > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She > > > has > > > > > lost about 20 lbs > > > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she > > > lost > > > > > the weight was > > > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her > > off > > > and > > > > > she lost the weight > > > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept > > on > > > > > losing. She is 5 4 > > > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency > > > visit > > > > > with her dr > > > > > today. Last night she threw things at her > > > bedroom > > > > > door and at us, this > > > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by > > > giving > > > > > her a full body hug > > > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them > > > > > together. She is on > > > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she > > was > > > able > > > > > to have in depth > > > > > two way conversations with it. She was so > > happy. > > > > > But now she isn't > > > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her > > to > > > > > lose the > > > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > === message truncated === > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Ester- Thank you for your support. It means alot to me to have you all reach out to me. Thank you everyone. I would normally go to my mother with all this but since she has passed in March, I really don't have anyone that understands. I do have my mil but it's different. I could let her stay home and she would like that. I would like to find out what the problem is at school. I will be calling tomorrow to find out. If I don't get a good answer I will show up or mil will. I don't want her to suffer but I don't want to teach her that she should run. It really is difficult. My son (17 in a few days) had a horrible bullying incident at school last year and I as his mother wanted to beat the crap out the the boys and shelter my son from any more bullying. But my brain knew that wouldn't help him in the end. I had to encourage him to go. It about killed me. I was a wreck. I cried and worried. He is doing better now. I got way off point there, sorry. Anyway, I don't have the capabilities to teach her at home. I don't think it would work well for her or me. The only good thing, if it is school is we will be moving from Long Island to South Carolina soon. I think it's great that you have the ability to home school. I just don't have the patience to do that. As I am typing this I just bit my mil's head off. I have none left today. I keep hoping a massage therapist will miraculously show up at my house, that would be such a stress reducer. t- > I am so sorry that you have to be both dealing with > this. I would suggest letting her have the day off of > school for a bit here until you can figure out if it > is a school issue (if you can handle that) and get > your mil to help or something. The reason I say this, > is because after my 6 year old was acting like that > for quite some time and nothing else working, I asked > her if she wanted to do school with mommy at home? Her > eyes lit up and she began handflapping and she said, > " School with mommy, Yay " She repeated it about forty > times. I don't know what the problem at school was, > but since she couldn't tell me and it was messing up > our lives that bad, it was not worth it to me, to > force her to be there. > She has never acted out a day since then and I have > been homeschooling ever since. SHe has advanced a ton > and is already writing her name herself and learning > to read and she is only in Kindergarten. She is so > easy going and happy and we are really starting to > communicate together very well. > Good luck, and again, I am so sorry! But you sound > like a very loving mom and I know that you can keep > going, even if you don't know that. There have been > too many times that I thought I could not keep on > going and yet, I have. So take a deep breath, say a > prayer of have some quiet time and hopefully tomorrow > will be better, but if not, know you are not alone we > are here for you. > Esther > > > --- Kassi <kassihatestwistin@... <kassihatestwistin%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > What an awful day! > > > > May I ask how much Strattera Kayla takes? I was 21 > > and > > took 40mg. Any more than that and all I did was cry > > all the time. Cold turkeying off wasn't so hot > > either. > > > > BLEH to doctors. I hope you get answers soon, you're > > probably BOTH miserable. > > > > Kassiane > > > > --- taijij at work <taijijat@... <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > Thanks to everyone for your help... > > > Kayla actually hauled off and punched me in the > > > face. I thought they might > > > have to take me away in a stretcher today at her > > > dr's appt. Not because it > > > hurt, which it did and still does. She might have > > > broken something. But > > > because I thought I might lose my mind. She > > pinched > > > me a few times too. It > > > was horrible. Oh and the dr canceled on us and we > > > had to see the PA (which > > > normally is fine and I usually like them better) > > but > > > not today not when I > > > called and tell them we are in crisis mode. Then > > > the fun started I demanded > > > to see the dr and they wouldn't let me. I > > > eventually left to go to my dr's > > > appt and my mother in law stayed to make a > > followup > > > appt. She had to yell > > > and cause a scene to get the appts we needed. One > > > to actually see her dr > > > and the other for her to see a person to talk to. > > I > > > am so po'd. Kayla's dr > > > saw us a few days ago and said just call and > > demand > > > to talk to me and I will > > > fit you in - that didn't work and when he came out > > 3 > > > times he never came > > > over to see why my mil was yelling at them. > > > > > > Her throat looks good, she said her ears and > > throat > > > feel good. It is > > > something bigger. I just want them to help and it > > > seemed like I was asking > > > for the moon. I have never had this experience > > with > > > the dr's office before. > > > > > > I think it could be too much strattera for her > > > weight and we are reducing it > > > immediately, I wanted to cold turkey her but with > > > how she is behaving I am > > > not sure I should do that. I also think it could > > be > > > hormones and something > > > at school. > > > > > > Kayla did this once before she was about 8 and it > > > was the first time she > > > realized she was different and she took it out on > > me > > > physically. It didn't > > > last to long but at 8 she could lift me off of > > her. > > > She is one strong lady. > > > Maybe I should enter in the strongest woman > > > contests. Ha ha. > > > > > > Thank you all so much for listening and advising. > > > It really means alot to > > > me. I am at my witts end.. > > > > > > > > > T- > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 4:29 PM, Kassi > > > <kassihatestwistin@... <kassihatestwistin%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > Oh poor kid! > > > > > > > > Is something going on at school? Teasing or > > > bullying > > > > or something just being too hard? If she wont > > tell > > > you > > > > maybe a teacher or aide will. > > > > > > > > Is it possible her hormones are going? At 82 > > > pounds > > > > it's unlikely she'll menstruate but that doesn't > > > > always stop the hormones from " practice cycles " . > > > > Strattera can cause weight loss, too, so that > > just > > > > makes things lovely, huh? It CAN also cause > > anger > > > but > > > > hormones or frustration are more likely (in my > > > > experience. I took it for over a year). > > > > > > > > It's possible that she'll keep the conversation > > > OFF > > > > the medication...it might have been what her > > brain > > > > needed at that time to make those gains, but she > > > might > > > > be " done " with it. So stopping the med doesn't > > > > necessarily equal losing the gains...she is > > > developing > > > > still, after all. > > > > > > > > Good luck to both of you, > > > > > > > > Kassiane > > > > > > > > > > > > --- babyfacesmom <taijijat@... <taijijat%40gmail.com> > > > <taijijat%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is > > > > > having a really rough > > > > > time. She normally loves school but has come > > to > > > > > hate it. She is > > > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean > > and > > > > > angry too much of the > > > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She > > > has > > > > > lost about 20 lbs > > > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she > > > lost > > > > > the weight was > > > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her > > off > > > and > > > > > she lost the weight > > > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept > > on > > > > > losing. She is 5 4 > > > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency > > > visit > > > > > with her dr > > > > > today. Last night she threw things at her > > > bedroom > > > > > door and at us, this > > > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by > > > giving > > > > > her a full body hug > > > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them > > > > > together. She is on > > > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she > > was > > > able > > > > > to have in depth > > > > > two way conversations with it. She was so > > happy. > > > > > But now she isn't > > > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her > > to > > > > > lose the > > > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > === message truncated === > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 T- I agree with most that was posted. I have a 13 year old daughter with autism. I also have a 19 year old TYPE 1 Diabetic. The diabetic was diagnosed at 14 years old after losing 20 POUNDS! Please have your doctor check blood sugar levels also. Watch her and see if she is peeing in the middle of the night. Is she excessively thirsty all the time? I hope for your sake that this is not the case. But I wanted to mention this just in case. On one more note, When AShley (13-ASD) was 9 years she started saying she was a boy and cutting her hair to the roots. SHe also stated that she had a penis. It was very severe and her behavior was atrocious! I finally had enough and took her to the pychologist. He did a lot of IQ testing and told me that she made a lot of progress and then proceeded to tell me that because she was overweight, not blonde like my other children, she could only relate to boys. She doesnt say this very much at all anymore. We had to use behavior modification to redirect these behaviors. The doctor also believed that she really realized that she was not like everyone else. I also believe it too. She has not started her period as of yet so I know it wasnt PMS or anything. Good luck! I wish you well! Shanna > > > > > > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is having a really rough > > > time. She normally loves school but has come to hate it. She is > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and angry too much of the > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She has lost about 20 lbs > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she lost the weight was > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her off and she lost the weight > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on losing. She is 5 4 > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency visit with her dr > > > today. Last night she threw things at her bedroom door and at us, this > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by giving her a full body hug > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them together. She is on > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she was able to have in depth > > > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. But now she isn't > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to lose the > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 T- I agree with most that was posted. I have a 13 year old daughter with autism. I also have a 19 year old TYPE 1 Diabetic. The diabetic was diagnosed at 14 years old after losing 20 POUNDS! Please have your doctor check blood sugar levels also. Watch her and see if she is peeing in the middle of the night. Is she excessively thirsty all the time? I hope for your sake that this is not the case. But I wanted to mention this just in case. On one more note, When AShley (13-ASD) was 9 years she started saying she was a boy and cutting her hair to the roots. SHe also stated that she had a penis. It was very severe and her behavior was atrocious! I finally had enough and took her to the pychologist. He did a lot of IQ testing and told me that she made a lot of progress and then proceeded to tell me that because she was overweight, not blonde like my other children, she could only relate to boys. She doesnt say this very much at all anymore. We had to use behavior modification to redirect these behaviors. The doctor also believed that she really realized that she was not like everyone else. I also believe it too. She has not started her period as of yet so I know it wasnt PMS or anything. Good luck! I wish you well! Shanna > > > > > > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is having a really rough > > > time. She normally loves school but has come to hate it. She is > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and angry too much of the > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She has lost about 20 lbs > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she lost the weight was > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her off and she lost the weight > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on losing. She is 5 4 > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency visit with her dr > > > today. Last night she threw things at her bedroom door and at us, this > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by giving her a full body hug > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them together. She is on > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she was able to have in depth > > > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. But now she isn't > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to lose the > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I never thought about diabetes. It does run in the family. We are calling in the am to have her tested. I never thought of that. Thank you I really don't know much about diabetes. What type do you think she might have? > T- I agree with most that was posted. I have a 13 year old daughter > with autism. I also have a 19 year old TYPE 1 Diabetic. The diabetic > was diagnosed at 14 years old after losing 20 POUNDS! Please have > your doctor check blood sugar levels also. Watch her and see if she > is peeing in the middle of the night. Is she excessively thirsty all > the time? I hope for your sake that this is not the case. But I > wanted to mention this just in case. > On one more note, When AShley (13-ASD) was 9 years she started saying > she was a boy and cutting her hair to the roots. SHe also stated that > she had a penis. It was very severe and her behavior was atrocious! I > finally had enough and took her to the pychologist. He did a lot of > IQ testing and told me that she made a lot of progress and then > proceeded to tell me that because she was overweight, not blonde like > my other children, she could only relate to boys. She doesnt say this > very much at all anymore. We had to use behavior modification to > redirect these behaviors. The doctor also believed that she really > realized that she was not like everyone else. I also believe it too. > She has not started her period as of yet so I know it wasnt PMS or > anything. > Good luck! I wish you well! > Shanna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is having a really > rough > > > > time. She normally loves school but has come to hate it. She is > > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and angry too much > of the > > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She has lost about > 20 lbs > > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she lost the weight > was > > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her off and she lost > the weight > > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on losing. She is > 5 4 > > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency visit with her dr > > > > today. Last night she threw things at her bedroom door and at > us, this > > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by giving her a full > body hug > > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them together. She is > on > > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she was able to have in > depth > > > > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. But now she > isn't > > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to lose the > > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I never thought about diabetes. It does run in the family. We are calling in the am to have her tested. I never thought of that. Thank you I really don't know much about diabetes. What type do you think she might have? > T- I agree with most that was posted. I have a 13 year old daughter > with autism. I also have a 19 year old TYPE 1 Diabetic. The diabetic > was diagnosed at 14 years old after losing 20 POUNDS! Please have > your doctor check blood sugar levels also. Watch her and see if she > is peeing in the middle of the night. Is she excessively thirsty all > the time? I hope for your sake that this is not the case. But I > wanted to mention this just in case. > On one more note, When AShley (13-ASD) was 9 years she started saying > she was a boy and cutting her hair to the roots. SHe also stated that > she had a penis. It was very severe and her behavior was atrocious! I > finally had enough and took her to the pychologist. He did a lot of > IQ testing and told me that she made a lot of progress and then > proceeded to tell me that because she was overweight, not blonde like > my other children, she could only relate to boys. She doesnt say this > very much at all anymore. We had to use behavior modification to > redirect these behaviors. The doctor also believed that she really > realized that she was not like everyone else. I also believe it too. > She has not started her period as of yet so I know it wasnt PMS or > anything. > Good luck! I wish you well! > Shanna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is having a really > rough > > > > time. She normally loves school but has come to hate it. She is > > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and angry too much > of the > > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She has lost about > 20 lbs > > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she lost the weight > was > > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her off and she lost > the weight > > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on losing. She is > 5 4 > > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency visit with her dr > > > > today. Last night she threw things at her bedroom door and at > us, this > > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by giving her a full > body hug > > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them together. She is > on > > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she was able to have in > depth > > > > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. But now she > isn't > > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to lose the > > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 T- It is a known fact that the common symptoms of TYPE 1 which is INSULIN DEPENDENT is: 1) excessive thirst, 2) Excessive urination 3) Weight loss despite increased appetite 4) fatique 5) abdominal pain 6) vomiting 7)absense of menstruation all of these are at the following website. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000305.htm#Symptoms Note that these are TYPE 1 and not TYPE 2. I am not as versed on TYPE 2 and TYPE 3 (which is combination of both) I could not tell you about what she really is. Only a blood/urine test can really tell if she is passing keytones and her A1C is in the range. Let us know how it goes! Shanna ('s mom) > > > > > > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is having a really > > rough > > > > > time. She normally loves school but has come to hate it. She is > > > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and angry too much > > of the > > > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She has lost about > > 20 lbs > > > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she lost the weight > > was > > > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her off and she lost > > the weight > > > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on losing. She is > > 5 4 > > > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency visit with her dr > > > > > today. Last night she threw things at her bedroom door and at > > us, this > > > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by giving her a full > > body hug > > > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them together. She is > > on > > > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she was able to have in > > depth > > > > > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. But now she > > isn't > > > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to lose the > > > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 T- It is a known fact that the common symptoms of TYPE 1 which is INSULIN DEPENDENT is: 1) excessive thirst, 2) Excessive urination 3) Weight loss despite increased appetite 4) fatique 5) abdominal pain 6) vomiting 7)absense of menstruation all of these are at the following website. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000305.htm#Symptoms Note that these are TYPE 1 and not TYPE 2. I am not as versed on TYPE 2 and TYPE 3 (which is combination of both) I could not tell you about what she really is. Only a blood/urine test can really tell if she is passing keytones and her A1C is in the range. Let us know how it goes! Shanna ('s mom) > > > > > > > > > > Hello- > > > > > > > > > > I need some advise. My 12 yr old daughter is having a really > > rough > > > > > time. She normally loves school but has come to hate it. She is > > > > > behaving out of character for herself. Mean and angry too much > > of the > > > > > time. She won't say what is bothering her. She has lost about > > 20 lbs > > > > > in the last few months. One of the reasons she lost the weight > > was > > > > > because she was on respirdol and I took her off and she lost > > the weight > > > > > she gained from being on it, but she has kept on losing. She is > > 5 4 > > > > > and weighs about 82 lbs. We have an emergency visit with her dr > > > > > today. Last night she threw things at her bedroom door and at > > us, this > > > > > is not like her. I was able to calm her by giving her a full > > body hug > > > > > with rocking. She loves the sensation of them together. She is > > on > > > > > strattera and this at first was amazing she was able to have in > > depth > > > > > two way conversations with it. She was so happy. But now she > > isn't > > > > > happy. I want her off of it. I don't want her to lose the > > > > > conversation. ANY IDEAS???!!!! > > > > > > > > > > T- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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