Re: I have some extremely sad news

[Guest guest]

nigel i am so sorry for your loss and can say i know exactly how you feel.

my husband died that same way this past May, at the age of 37. nothing could

have been done in his case, but i would look into it. Annette will be dearly

missed. my hugs and prayers to you friend.

julie

[Guest guest]

Dear Nigel,

There are no words I can use to express how sorry I am for your loss. I do,

possibly, recall some posts from her. Please know that you and your sorrow

and beautiful memories are in my prayers.

Gentle Hugs & Prayers

Carol M. in CA

@>~~~~

[Guest guest]

Nigel, my heart and prayers are with you. I am so very

sorry for your loss. Tami

Tami -Dossey

[Guest guest]

Dear Nigel,

I am new to this list and didn't not " know " Annette but my heart goes out to

you. You have my greatest sympathies...I am sure she knew how much she was

loved, you can " hear " it in your email.

Blessings,

-------------- Original message ----------------------

From: " w1nst0nbear " <aah@...>

> I know that my wife, Annette, had exchanged messages with some of you in the

> past few

> months. I am so very sad and hurt that I have to tell you that she died

suddenly

> and

> unexpectedly on Wednesday evening, having suffered what the pathologist has

> described

> as a massive heart attack. The full report hasn't arrived yet, but when it

does

> I will be

> asking some questions about her recent medical treatment and whether or not it

> had any

> bearing on her heart condition.

>

> I'm not sure if she mentioned it in any of her messages here, but she had been

> suffering

> since last October from a very bad cough that was often extremely severe.

> Courses of

> antibiotics at first seemed to deal with it, but then it would come back just

as

> bad. In the

> end, her consultant rheumatologist (who had himself been on sick leave for

some

> time)

> saw her about three weeks ago now and said that he thought it was the MTX that

> was

> causing her cough. MTX is apparently known to have a fairly common risk of

> causing a

> problem with the lungs and the only real way to prove that this was the case

was

> simply to

> stop taking it and see what happened. Sure enough, about two weeks after her

> last dose,

> the cough went away.

>

> Unfortunately, in the consultant's absence, his locum assistant standing in

for

> him, at first

> wanted her to add leflunomide to her regime. After some investigation, as I

> think she

> discussed here, she told him that it didn't seem at all wise for her to take

> leflunomide,

> particularly with her medical history. At that point, and despite the fact

that

> she told him

> about how long she had the cough - and, if I recall correctly, was even

coughing

> badly

> during the consultation - he suggested that she instead use MTX by injection,

> rather than

> in oral form, as that might prove to be more effective. As it turns out, that

> seems to have

> been totally the wrong thing to have done!

>

> But, as I say, at this stage, I can't say whether or not any of that had any

> bearing on the

> heart condition that led to her death. Perhaps I might learn more when I get

to

> discuss the

> pathologists report with our local doctor (GP) and if I do, I'll try to

remember

> to get back to

> you with whatever I find out.

>

> The most unfortunate thing is that, in a number of ways, life was improving

> significantly

> for Annette and the two of us had plans to do many things together yet, but

all

> of that

> cannot now happen due to her being so prematurely taken from us. I feel so

much

> pain at

> her loss, made worse by the fact that she was alone in our bedroom when the

> attack

> happened. I was just so stunned when I walked in and found her collapsed on

the

> floor -

> at first I thought she'd just slipped off the bed and couldn't get up, but as

> soon as I turned

> her over, I knew it was much more serious. All attempts to try to revive her,

> guided by the

> ambulance controller on the phone, were to no avail and even my

brother-in-law,

> who is a

> fireman and fully-trained first aider, had no more success when he arrived

> shortly after.

> Finally, when the paramedic arrived, he quite quickly diagnosed that because

of

> the length

> of time that she had not been breathing, it would not be wise or respectful to

> her dignity

> to even try anything further to resuscitate her.

>

> Let me finish by saying how much I appreciate the fact that you did what you

> could to

> make her welcome in this group. It was actually her first ever subscription to

> any internet

> message group and she so enjoyed learning how it all worked. She also told me

> how

> useful she felt it was to learn so much just from reading all of your

messages.

> Also, how

> she realised how lucky we are here in the UK to have our NHS that provides

> treatment free

> of charge (well, mostly!), compared to the horror stories she read about the

> hassles one

> can have with HMOs in the US!

>

> It's just too sad (and that's a massive understatement) that she will no

longer

> be here to

> participate in this group.

>

> Best regards

> Nigel Hamlin

> Hereford, UK

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nigel:

I am so very, very sorry to hear of the death of your

wife, Annette. It was kind of you to think of us at

such a time, and to let us know that your wife's

joining our group gave her some needed information and

support.

Many of us here also take the same medication you wife

was on, so please, we would be interested in any

information that might be of use to us regarding

Methotrexate and the effects its useage might have had

on her lungs and heart.

I am sure the plans that you and Annette had been

making together gave her much joy, and no doubt made

her RA more bearable. I am sure your love and support

was very important to her in fighting this disease.

Again, my deepest sympathy. My prayers are with you

and your family.

In deepest sympathy,

Kathe in CA

--- w1nst0nbear <aah@...> wrote:

> I know that my wife, Annette, had exchanged messages

> with some of you in the past few

> months. I am so very sad and hurt that I have to

> tell you that she died suddenly and

> unexpectedly on Wednesday evening, having suffered

> what the pathologist has described

> as a massive heart attack. The full report hasn't

> arrived yet, but when it does I will be

> asking some questions about her recent medical

> treatment and whether or not it had any

> bearing on her heart condition.

>

> I'm not sure if she mentioned it in any of her

> messages here, but she had been suffering

> since last October from a very bad cough that was

> often extremely severe. Courses of

> antibiotics at first seemed to deal with it, but

> then it would come back just as bad. In the

> end, her consultant rheumatologist (who had himself

> been on sick leave for some time)

> saw her about three weeks ago now and said that he

> thought it was the MTX that was

> causing her cough. MTX is apparently known to have a

> fairly common risk of causing a

> problem with the lungs and the only real way to

> prove that this was the case was simply to

> stop taking it and see what happened. Sure enough,

> about two weeks after her last dose,

> the cough went away.

>

> Unfortunately, in the consultant's absence, his

> locum assistant standing in for him, at first

> wanted her to add leflunomide to her regime. After

> some investigation, as I think she

> discussed here, she told him that it didn't seem at

> all wise for her to take leflunomide,

> particularly with her medical history. At that

> point, and despite the fact that she told him

> about how long she had the cough - and, if I recall

> correctly, was even coughing badly

> during the consultation - he suggested that she

> instead use MTX by injection, rather than

> in oral form, as that might prove to be more

> effective. As it turns out, that seems to have

> been totally the wrong thing to have done!

>

> But, as I say, at this stage, I can't say whether or

> not any of that had any bearing on the

> heart condition that led to her death. Perhaps I

> might learn more when I get to discuss the

> pathologists report with our local doctor (GP) and

> if I do, I'll try to remember to get back to

> you with whatever I find out.

>

> The most unfortunate thing is that, in a number of

> ways, life was improving significantly

> for Annette and the two of us had plans to do many

> things together yet, but all of that

> cannot now happen due to her being so prematurely

> taken from us. I feel so much pain at

> her loss, made worse by the fact that she was alone

> in our bedroom when the attack

> happened. I was just so stunned when I walked in and

> found her collapsed on the floor -

> at first I thought she'd just slipped off the bed

> and couldn't get up, but as soon as I turned

> her over, I knew it was much more serious. All

> attempts to try to revive her, guided by the

> ambulance controller on the phone, were to no avail

> and even my brother-in-law, who is a

> fireman and fully-trained first aider, had no more

> success when he arrived shortly after.

> Finally, when the paramedic arrived, he quite

> quickly diagnosed that because of the length

> of time that she had not been breathing, it would

> not be wise or respectful to her dignity

> to even try anything further to resuscitate her.

>

> Let me finish by saying how much I appreciate the

> fact that you did what you could to

> make her welcome in this group. It was actually her

> first ever subscription to any internet

> message group and she so enjoyed learning how it all

> worked. She also told me how

> useful she felt it was to learn so much just from

> reading all of your messages. Also, how

> she realised how lucky we are here in the UK to have

> our NHS that provides treatment free

> of charge (well, mostly!), compared to the horror

> stories she read about the hassles one

> can have with HMOs in the US!

>

> It's just too sad (and that's a massive

> understatement) that she will no longer be here to

> participate in this group.

>

> Best regards

> Nigel Hamlin

> Hereford, UK

>

>

" Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things, man will

not himself find peace. "

— Albert Schweitzer, French Nobel Peace Prize-winning mission doctor and

theologian (1875-1965)

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[Guest guest]

Dear Nigel,

Please accept my sincere condolences on the death of Annette.

She hadn't been with us for very long, but she was comfortable enough to

simply jump right in and post. I am happy to hear that she found the group

useful.

This is indeed very sad news.

[ ] I have some extremely sad news

>I know that my wife, Annette, had exchanged messages with some of you in

>the past few

> months. I am so very sad and hurt that I have to tell you that she died

> suddenly and

> unexpectedly on Wednesday evening, having suffered what the pathologist

> has described

> as a massive heart attack. The full report hasn't arrived yet, but when it

> does I will be

> asking some questions about her recent medical treatment and whether or

> not it had any

> bearing on her heart condition.

>

> I'm not sure if she mentioned it in any of her messages here, but she had

> been suffering

> since last October from a very bad cough that was often extremely severe.

> Courses of

> antibiotics at first seemed to deal with it, but then it would come back

> just as bad. In the

> end, her consultant rheumatologist (who had himself been on sick leave for

> some time)

> saw her about three weeks ago now and said that he thought it was the MTX

> that was

> causing her cough. MTX is apparently known to have a fairly common risk of

> causing a

> problem with the lungs and the only real way to prove that this was the

> case was simply to

> stop taking it and see what happened. Sure enough, about two weeks after

> her last dose,

> the cough went away.

>

> Unfortunately, in the consultant's absence, his locum assistant standing

> in for him, at first

> wanted her to add leflunomide to her regime. After some investigation, as

> I think she

> discussed here, she told him that it didn't seem at all wise for her to

> take leflunomide,

> particularly with her medical history. At that point, and despite the fact

> that she told him

> about how long she had the cough - and, if I recall correctly, was even

> coughing badly

> during the consultation - he suggested that she instead use MTX by

> injection, rather than

> in oral form, as that might prove to be more effective. As it turns out,

> that seems to have

> been totally the wrong thing to have done!

>

> But, as I say, at this stage, I can't say whether or not any of that had

> any bearing on the

> heart condition that led to her death. Perhaps I might learn more when I

> get to discuss the

> pathologists report with our local doctor (GP) and if I do, I'll try to

> remember to get back to

> you with whatever I find out.

>

> The most unfortunate thing is that, in a number of ways, life was

> improving significantly

> for Annette and the two of us had plans to do many things together yet,

> but all of that

> cannot now happen due to her being so prematurely taken from us. I feel so

> much pain at

> her loss, made worse by the fact that she was alone in our bedroom when

> the attack

> happened. I was just so stunned when I walked in and found her collapsed

> on the floor -

> at first I thought she'd just slipped off the bed and couldn't get up, but

> as soon as I turned

> her over, I knew it was much more serious. All attempts to try to revive

> her, guided by the

> ambulance controller on the phone, were to no avail and even my

> brother-in-law, who is a

> fireman and fully-trained first aider, had no more success when he arrived

> shortly after.

> Finally, when the paramedic arrived, he quite quickly diagnosed that

> because of the length

> of time that she had not been breathing, it would not be wise or

> respectful to her dignity

> to even try anything further to resuscitate her.

>

> Let me finish by saying how much I appreciate the fact that you did what

> you could to

> make her welcome in this group. It was actually her first ever

> subscription to any internet

> message group and she so enjoyed learning how it all worked. She also told

> me how

> useful she felt it was to learn so much just from reading all of your

> messages. Also, how

> she realised how lucky we are here in the UK to have our NHS that provides

> treatment free

> of charge (well, mostly!), compared to the horror stories she read about

> the hassles one

> can have with HMOs in the US!

>

> It's just too sad (and that's a massive understatement) that she will no

> longer be here to

> participate in this group.

>

> Best regards

> Nigel Hamlin

> Hereford, UK

[Guest guest]

Nigel: Please accept my sincere condolences to you and your family for the

loss of your beloved wife Annette. I did not know her but do remember seeing

her name in the posts. Please know that you and your family are in our thoughts

and prayers at this difficult time...................please keep us updated on

the findings

Pat in So. Oregon

w1nst0nbear <aah@...> wrote: I

know that my wife, Annette, had exchanged messages with some of you in the past

few

months. I am so very sad and hurt that I have to tell you that she died

suddenly and

unexpectedly on Wednesday evening, having suffered what the pathologist has

described

as a massive heart attack. The full report hasn't arrived yet, but when it does

I will be

asking some questions about her recent medical treatment and whether or not it

had any

bearing on her heart condition.

I'm not sure if she mentioned it in any of her messages here, but she had been

suffering

since last October from a very bad cough that was often extremely severe.

Courses of

antibiotics at first seemed to deal with it, but then it would come back just

as bad. In the

end, her consultant rheumatologist (who had himself been on sick leave for some

time)

saw her about three weeks ago now and said that he thought it was the MTX that

was

causing her cough. MTX is apparently known to have a fairly common risk of

causing a

problem with the lungs and the only real way to prove that this was the case

was simply to

stop taking it and see what happened. Sure enough, about two weeks after her

last dose,

the cough went away.

Unfortunately, in the consultant's absence, his locum assistant standing in for

him, at first

wanted her to add leflunomide to her regime. After some investigation, as I

think she

discussed here, she told him that it didn't seem at all wise for her to take

leflunomide,

particularly with her medical history. At that point, and despite the fact that

she told him

about how long she had the cough - and, if I recall correctly, was even

coughing badly

during the consultation - he suggested that she instead use MTX by injection,

rather than

in oral form, as that might prove to be more effective. As it turns out, that

seems to have

been totally the wrong thing to have done!

But, as I say, at this stage, I can't say whether or not any of that had any

bearing on the

heart condition that led to her death. Perhaps I might learn more when I get to

discuss the

pathologists report with our local doctor (GP) and if I do, I'll try to

remember to get back to

you with whatever I find out.

The most unfortunate thing is that, in a number of ways, life was improving

significantly

for Annette and the two of us had plans to do many things together yet, but all

of that

cannot now happen due to her being so prematurely taken from us. I feel so much

pain at

her loss, made worse by the fact that she was alone in our bedroom when the

attack

happened. I was just so stunned when I walked in and found her collapsed on the

floor -

at first I thought she'd just slipped off the bed and couldn't get up, but as

soon as I turned

her over, I knew it was much more serious. All attempts to try to revive her,

guided by the

ambulance controller on the phone, were to no avail and even my brother-in-law,

who is a

fireman and fully-trained first aider, had no more success when he arrived

shortly after.

Finally, when the paramedic arrived, he quite quickly diagnosed that because of

the length

of time that she had not been breathing, it would not be wise or respectful to

her dignity

to even try anything further to resuscitate her.

Let me finish by saying how much I appreciate the fact that you did what you

could to

make her welcome in this group. It was actually her first ever subscription to

any internet

message group and she so enjoyed learning how it all worked. She also told me

how

useful she felt it was to learn so much just from reading all of your messages.

Also, how

she realised how lucky we are here in the UK to have our NHS that provides

treatment free

of charge (well, mostly!), compared to the horror stories she read about the

hassles one

can have with HMOs in the US!

It's just too sad (and that's a massive understatement) that she will no longer

be here to

participate in this group.

Best regards

Nigel Hamlin

Hereford, UK

---------------------------------

Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

[Guest guest]

Dear Nigel,

I am so sorry for your loss, I can not imagine what you are going through. My

prayers are with you and your family.

Marsha

[ ] I have some extremely sad news

I know that my wife, Annette, had exchanged messages with some of you in the

past few

months. I am so very sad and hurt that I have to tell you that she died suddenly

and

unexpectedly on Wednesday evening, having suffered what the pathologist has

described

as a massive heart attack. The full report hasn't arrived yet, but when it does

I will be

asking some questions about her recent medical treatment and whether or not it

had any

bearing on her heart condition.

I'm not sure if she mentioned it in any of her messages here, but she had been

suffering

since last October from a very bad cough that was often extremely severe.

Courses of

antibiotics at first seemed to deal with it, but then it would come back just as

bad. In the

end, her consultant rheumatologist (who had himself been on sick leave for some

time)

saw her about three weeks ago now and said that he thought it was the MTX that

was

causing her cough. MTX is apparently known to have a fairly common risk of

causing a

problem with the lungs and the only real way to prove that this was the case was

simply to

stop taking it and see what happened. Sure enough, about two weeks after her

last dose,

the cough went away.

Unfortunately, in the consultant's absence, his locum assistant standing in for

him, at first

wanted her to add leflunomide to her regime. After some investigation, as I

think she

discussed here, she told him that it didn't seem at all wise for her to take

leflunomide,

particularly with her medical history. At that point, and despite the fact that

she told him

about how long she had the cough - and, if I recall correctly, was even coughing

badly

during the consultation - he suggested that she instead use MTX by injection,

rather than

in oral form, as that might prove to be more effective. As it turns out, that

seems to have

been totally the wrong thing to have done!

But, as I say, at this stage, I can't say whether or not any of that had any

bearing on the

heart condition that led to her death. Perhaps I might learn more when I get to

discuss the

pathologists report with our local doctor (GP) and if I do, I'll try to remember

to get back to

you with whatever I find out.

The most unfortunate thing is that, in a number of ways, life was improving

significantly

for Annette and the two of us had plans to do many things together yet, but all

of that

cannot now happen due to her being so prematurely taken from us. I feel so much

pain at

her loss, made worse by the fact that she was alone in our bedroom when the

attack

happened. I was just so stunned when I walked in and found her collapsed on the

floor -

at first I thought she'd just slipped off the bed and couldn't get up, but as

soon as I turned

her over, I knew it was much more serious. All attempts to try to revive her,

guided by the

ambulance controller on the phone, were to no avail and even my brother-in-law,

who is a

fireman and fully-trained first aider, had no more success when he arrived

shortly after.

Finally, when the paramedic arrived, he quite quickly diagnosed that because of

the length

of time that she had not been breathing, it would not be wise or respectful to

her dignity

to even try anything further to resuscitate her.

Let me finish by saying how much I appreciate the fact that you did what you

could to

make her welcome in this group. It was actually her first ever subscription to

any internet

message group and she so enjoyed learning how it all worked. She also told me

how

useful she felt it was to learn so much just from reading all of your messages.

Also, how

she realised how lucky we are here in the UK to have our NHS that provides

treatment free

of charge (well, mostly!), compared to the horror stories she read about the

hassles one

can have with HMOs in the US!

It's just too sad (and that's a massive understatement) that she will no longer

be here to

participate in this group.

Best regards

Nigel Hamlin

Hereford, UK

[Guest guest]

Oh, I am SO sorry. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

>

> I know that my wife, Annette, had exchanged messages with some of you

in the past few

> months. I am so very sad and hurt that I have to tell you that she

died suddenly and

> unexpectedly on Wednesday evening,

[Guest guest]

I am very sorrry for your loss Nigel. My thoughts and prayers are with

you and your family through your time of need.

PA

> >

> > I know that my wife, Annette, had exchanged messages with some of

you

> in the past few

> > months. I am so very sad and hurt that I have to tell you that she

> died suddenly and

> > unexpectedly on Wednesday evening,

>

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry for your loss Nigel. I will keep you and your family in my

thoughts and prayers.

Lori

http://home.comcast.net/~queenstitcher/

[Guest guest]

My most sincere and deepest condolences, Nigel. The loss of your wonderful wife

is felt by

us all and we all mourn her passing.

Paige Hunt, New Jersey

[Guest guest]

I just want to express my heartfelt thanks for all the kind responses I received

from you all here.

The funeral took place on Friday (9 February). It was almost postponed, because

someone

(I wonder who?) made it snow heavily all over us, didn't they? For the first

time in this part

of the country (on the Welsh border) in more years than anyone could remember.

But in

the end, we went ahead, because there were already too many people here or en

route.

Well, it went very well. Everyone thought the service was beautiful, but very

unconventional - which was intentional! Music was from Pink Floyd,

on,

Beatles and Lennon, and we finished up by getting the assembled throng all

singing

along to 's New York 1971 live recording of Imagine. Serendipity ensured

that the

vicar was also a Lennon fan!

In case any of you would like to see it, I've uploaded the printer's format of

the Order of

Service PDF to the Files area here, at:

< /files/>

If you print it double sided (landscape with short-edge binding selected), then

fold the

sheets in half and staple on the fold, then you should end up with an exact

copy! (That's

why the pages appear to be in such a strange order, in case you're wondering.)

Anyway, the photograph on the cover was, to the best of my recollection, taken

about five

years ago, on a beach in Brittany (NW France). In recognition of Annette's love

of France

(where we lived for most of the 90s, first in Cote d'Azur in SW France, then in

Paris), there

was a strong French flavour to the service, as you'll see in the document. Even

the order

was reproduced (almost) wholly in French, in the format of a menu! (I couldn't

readily

translate " Shine On You Crazy Diamond " into French!)

At the graveside, after everyone was handed a daffodil as we left the church,

each person

dropped it into the grave and onto the coffin, as a final way of saying goodbye.

(Good job

this is electronic messaging I'm using - if it was paper and ink, it could be

getting wet.... I

still only need to think about that and.... well, you know.)

Because of the importance of daffodils to us (they were what brought us together

- it's

another story), the church, which is a real cutesy little 12th-14th century

building just a

half-mile up the road, was as decked with daffodils as we could manage. And as

soon as I

can, the grave is going to be planted with daffodils (and some tulips), for this

spring if we

can manage it.

Just finally, I'll mention that it hasn't yet seemed appropriate to start

discussing

pathologist's reports and querying medical issues, so I will get back to you

later on that.

But lest Annette's sad demise at the age of 55 worried any of you, let me just

emphasise

that everything suggests that the heart condition was not connected in any way

with her

RA or the treatment she took for it. Unfortunately, it was all a separate, and

unknown/

undiagnosed, condition.

Again, many many thanks for all the support from so many of you - it was not

only much

appreciated, it also helped me through, a lot.

Wishing you all the best health you possibly can have

Nigel

[Guest guest]

Annette is beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing this with us.

Marsha

[ ] Re: I have some extremely sad news

I just want to express my heartfelt thanks for all the kind responses I received

from you all here.

The funeral took place on Friday (9 February). It was almost postponed, because

someone

(I wonder who?) made it snow heavily all over us, didn't they? For the first

time in this part

of the country (on the Welsh border) in more years than anyone could remember.

But in

the end, we went ahead, because there were already too many people here or en

route.

Well, it went very well. Everyone thought the service was beautiful, but very

unconventional - which was intentional! Music was from Pink Floyd,

on,

Beatles and Lennon, and we finished up by getting the assembled throng all

singing

along to 's New York 1971 live recording of Imagine. Serendipity ensured

that the

vicar was also a Lennon fan!

In case any of you would like to see it, I've uploaded the printer's format of

the Order of

Service PDF to the Files area here, at:

<http://health. groups.. com/group/ / files/>

If you print it double sided (landscape with short-edge binding selected), then

fold the

sheets in half and staple on the fold, then you should end up with an exact

copy! (That's

why the pages appear to be in such a strange order, in case you're wondering.)

Anyway, the photograph on the cover was, to the best of my recollection, taken

about five

years ago, on a beach in Brittany (NW France). In recognition of Annette's love

of France

(where we lived for most of the 90s, first in Cote d'Azur in SW France, then in

Paris), there

was a strong French flavour to the service, as you'll see in the document. Even

the order

was reproduced (almost) wholly in French, in the format of a menu! (I couldn't

readily

translate " Shine On You Crazy Diamond " into French!)

At the graveside, after everyone was handed a daffodil as we left the church,

each person

dropped it into the grave and onto the coffin, as a final way of saying goodbye.

(Good job

this is electronic messaging I'm using - if it was paper and ink, it could be

getting wet.... I

still only need to think about that and.... well, you know.)

Because of the importance of daffodils to us (they were what brought us together

- it's

another story), the church, which is a real cutesy little 12th-14th century

building just a

half-mile up the road, was as decked with daffodils as we could manage. And as

soon as I

can, the grave is going to be planted with daffodils (and some tulips), for this

spring if we

can manage it.

Just finally, I'll mention that it hasn't yet seemed appropriate to start

discussing

pathologist' s reports and querying medical issues, so I will get back to you

later on that.

But lest Annette's sad demise at the age of 55 worried any of you, let me just

emphasise

that everything suggests that the heart condition was not connected in any way

with her

RA or the treatment she took for it. Unfortunately, it was all a separate, and

unknown/

undiagnosed, condition.

Again, many many thanks for all the support from so many of you - it was not

only much

appreciated, it also helped me through, a lot.

Wishing you all the best health you possibly can have

Nigel

[Guest guest]

How lovely, Nigel.

Sue

On Wednesday, February 14, 2007, at 06:49 PM, w1nst0nbear wrote:

> The funeral took place on Friday (9 February). It was almost

> postponed, because someone

> (I wonder who?) made it snow heavily all over us, didn't they? For the

> first time in this part

> of the country (on the Welsh border) in more years than anyone could

> remember. But in

> the end, we went ahead, because there were already too many people

> here or en route.

[Guest guest]

Nigel,

this was a most beautiful post. You must be a very special person, as was

Annette to be able to post us such a beautiful lil note.

I do have daffodils in my garden and I will now think of her and you when they

bloom this spring. Many hugs to you. May happy memories help ease some of your

pain.

- In , " w1nst0nbear " <aah@...> wrote:

>

> I just want to express my heartfelt thanks for all the kind responses I

received

> from you all here.

>

> The funeral took place on Friday (9 February). It was almost postponed,

because someone

> (I wonder who?) made it snow heavily all over us, didn't they? For the first

time in this part

> of the country (on the Welsh border) in more years than anyone could remember.

But in

> the end, we went ahead, because there were already too many people here or en

route.

>

> Well, it went very well. Everyone thought the service was beautiful, but very

> unconventional - which was intentional! Music was from Pink Floyd,

on,

> Beatles and Lennon, and we finished up by getting the assembled throng

all singing

> along to 's New York 1971 live recording of Imagine. Serendipity ensured

that the

> vicar was also a Lennon fan!

>

> In case any of you would like to see it, I've uploaded the printer's format of

the Order of

> Service PDF to the Files area here, at:

>

> < /files/>

>

> If you print it double sided (landscape with short-edge binding selected),

then fold the

> sheets in half and staple on the fold, then you should end up with an exact

copy! (That's

> why the pages appear to be in such a strange order, in case you're wondering.)

>

> Anyway, the photograph on the cover was, to the best of my recollection, taken

about five

> years ago, on a beach in Brittany (NW France). In recognition of Annette's

love of France

> (where we lived for most of the 90s, first in Cote d'Azur in SW France, then

in Paris), there

> was a strong French flavour to the service, as you'll see in the document.

Even the order

> was reproduced (almost) wholly in French, in the format of a menu! (I couldn't

readily

> translate " Shine On You Crazy Diamond " into French!)

>

> At the graveside, after everyone was handed a daffodil as we left the church,

each person

> dropped it into the grave and onto the coffin, as a final way of saying

goodbye. (Good job

> this is electronic messaging I'm using - if it was paper and ink, it could be

getting wet.... I

> still only need to think about that and.... well, you know.)

>

> Because of the importance of daffodils to us (they were what brought us

together - it's

> another story), the church, which is a real cutesy little 12th-14th century

building just a

> half-mile up the road, was as decked with daffodils as we could manage. And as

soon as I

> can, the grave is going to be planted with daffodils (and some tulips), for

this spring if we

> can manage it.

>

> Just finally, I'll mention that it hasn't yet seemed appropriate to start

discussing

> pathologist's reports and querying medical issues, so I will get back to you

later on that.

> But lest Annette's sad demise at the age of 55 worried any of you, let me just

emphasise

> that everything suggests that the heart condition was not connected in any way

with her

> RA or the treatment she took for it. Unfortunately, it was all a separate, and

unknown/

> undiagnosed, condition.

>

> Again, many many thanks for all the support from so many of you - it was not

only much

> appreciated, it also helped me through, a lot.

>

> Wishing you all the best health you possibly can have

> Nigel

>

[Guest guest]

It was absolutely beautiful, Nigel. It shows just how much you love

Annette and it also is an insight of how beautiful you are inside.

With Hugs and Love, Marina

[Guest guest]

Marina,

Well, I dunno about that. To me, the way I am is simply the way we all should be

with other

people, especially those closest to us. It doesn't require any conscious effort

on my part, so

it's not so easy for me to accept any credit for doing it!

Mind you, this week has been a revelation, in more than one way, concerning just

how nasty

some people can be (don't misunderstand me, not about Annette or anything like

that) - but

those are other stories...... that I just may have to do something about.

Nigel

>

> It was absolutely beautiful, Nigel. It shows just how much you love

> Annette and it also is an insight of how beautiful you are inside.

> With Hugs and Love, Marina

[Guest guest]

Nigel, I have no doubt about it. Sometimes it takes something like

this for people to show their true colors. I've seen both the good,

the bad and the ugly with in my own experience. I have no doubt

where you fall in all of this. Just as I am sure about many of the

wonderful people right here with in this group of friends. I have

made some wonderful friends right here. Though I don't know them in

person, I feel that I know them with in. I know that meeting people

on the internet is risky, but everyone here has a common need, that

would be friendship, support, and understanding. People here share

those qualities in an abundance!! Just as you have. I greatful for

all the friends I have made, I feel blessed for that, just as I feel

blessed to have you as a friend. Don't sell yourself short. Hugs

and Prayers, Marina

>

> Marina,

>

> Well, I dunno about that. To me, the way I am is simply the way we

all should be with other

> people, especially those closest to us. It doesn't require any

conscious effort on my part, so

> it's not so easy for me to accept any credit for doing it!

>

> Mind you, this week has been a revelation, in more than one way,

concerning just how nasty

> some people can be (don't misunderstand me, not about Annette or

anything like that) - but

> those are other stories...... that I just may have to do something

about.

>

> Nigel

>

> --- In , " marina_troi " <marina_troi@>

wrote:

> >

> > It was absolutely beautiful, Nigel. It shows just how much you

love

> > Annette and it also is an insight of how beautiful you are

inside.

> > With Hugs and Love, Marina

>