Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 This is one of those products that some love and some think is useless. This is definitely one that you just have to either try it and see or move on. There are a few people here that use it and there is also an NCD yahoo group if you wanted to get more info.cherylI was recently told of a product from Waiora, Natural Cellular Defense, containing zeolite. They claim that it has the ability to remove toxins, metals and support the immune system. Has anyone heard of this process? I am so worried about getting hooked into something useless.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 We took Zeolite the whole family did. But then we normally take things before we give it to my son. It cost a lot and it cleans out some metals but not mercury. Every child will detox differently. This is very gentle but then also we did get some from it but not a whole lot. IT was certainly easy to do and my son took it well. It has an odd but not bad taste. I would not invest in a whole batch of 3 as they used to come that way but I made some phone calls and the guy agreed to sell me one for a 1/3 of the price. They recommended start with 3 drops and increase every couple of days until you get 10 drops a day. He got a little grumpy and rashy with red ears like he normally does when he detoxes so i believed it did work but not dramatically. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Now that you have questioned the MB12 Group you need not be so worried about getting hooked into something useless.... Everybody will help you keep out of that trap. The MLM religion is for the distributors: NOT for us, with real problems of health more than imaginary problems of wealth.COST: I take 3 drops a day, tapering down to 10 drops a day every 5 days. Probably not optimal; but it means that one $35 bottle lasts me 45 days. One $120 package of 3 lasts 135 days, including shipping. I can afford that on my pension.Benefits: I know that the zeeolites do not seem to cause me any harm; that they seem to help the other supplements to work better: I can now see clearly that I have to exercise all day rather than just one 5 km walk to the park to keep my heart arteries in good shape. It was impossible to think clearly about that in April 2007, when I started zeeolites.Woke up at 2am in England to pack; walked a mile to the railway with luggage on a trolley, as the taxis don't wake up till 7:30. Met my daughter at Heathrow and understood her 10 cents view about supplements, instead of trying to straighten her out. Arrived in Vancouver and took the 3 hour city bus pass route home without being exhausted mentally and physically, 30 hours after the 2 am wake up. That would have been a miracle earlier in 2007.I think I'm arguing for a cost effective cocktail of supplements and treatments that work well for our own families. Considering one supplement at a time is only part of the challenge.Independent Minded Distributor,Waiora zeeolites and stuff.The canary wrote:I was recently told of a product from Waiora, Natural Cellular Defense, containing zeolite. They claim that it has the ability to remove toxins, metals and support the immune system. Has anyone heard of this process? I am so worried about getting hooked into something useless....------This is one of those products that some love and some think is useless. This is definitely one that you just have to either try it and see or move on. There are a few people here that use it and there is also an NCD yahoo group if you wanted to get more info.cheryl---------------We took Zeolite the whole family did. But then we normally take things before we give it to my son. It cost a lot and it cleans out some metals but not mercury. Every child will detox differently. This is very gentle but then also we did get some from it but not a whole lot. IT was certainly easy to do and my son took it well. It has an odd but not bad taste. I would not invest in a whole batch of 3 as they used to come that way but I made some phone calls and the guy agreed to sell me one for a 1/3 of the price. They recommended start with 3 drops and increase every couple of days until you get 10 drops a day. He got a little grumpy and rashy with red ears like he normally does when he detoxes so i believed it did work but not dramatically. ( ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Dennis, it helped me a lot when I had arsenic poisoning. it really does work. Then after a year or so, it seemed not to do much and in fact, i was getting sick or weak on it as if it were leaching good minerals. this is all I can tell you about it. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Steph, What brand did you use? Re: Zeolite Dennis, it helped me a lot when I had arsenic poisoning. it really does work. Then after a year or so, it seemed not to do much and in fact, i was getting sick or weak on it as if it were leaching good minerals. this is all I can tell you about it. Steph ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Dear Dennis, I have heard two reports, both saying no effect observed or felt. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman To: oxyplus@...: blackcat54@...: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:10:40 -0400Subject: Zeolite Saul & group,I have been reading how liquid zeolite is useful as an oral chelator to remove heavy metals & other toxins from the body.I am looking for feedback....good bad or indifferent as to the efficacy of this.My interest began after Null mentioned zeolite in a positive light. Dr Gordon and Dr Cousens also support its use.Thanks,Dennis[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 I'd heard memory loss from it. I tried it, noted the same?? and my acquaintance that sold it(always pimpin those MLM miracle cures;)) had a very noticeable memory loss but I did not tell her:O. But, I try not to draw conclusions:) --- Saul Pressman wrote: > > Dear Dennis, > > I have heard two reports, both saying no effect > observed or felt. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman > > > > To: oxyplus@...: > blackcat54@...: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 > 16:10:40 -0400Subject: Zeolite > > > > > Saul & group,I have been reading how liquid zeolite > is useful as an oral chelator to remove heavy metals > & other toxins from the body.I am looking for > feedback....good bad or indifferent as to the > efficacy of this.My interest began after Null > mentioned zeolite in a positive light. Dr > Gordon and Dr Cousens also support its > use.Thanks,Dennis[Non-text portions of this message > have been removed] > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love > Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping > crossword puzzles into one! > http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 A sample that we tested of Zeolite was full of copper. We have not seen any scientific studies to support this product and until they are available I would warn people off it. Sincerely, Prof. Noel . > I'd heard memory loss from it. I tried it, noted the > same?? and my acquaintance that sold it(always pimpin > those MLM miracle cures;)) had a very noticeable > memory loss but I did not tell her:O. But, I try not > to draw conclusions:) > > --- Saul Pressman wrote: > > > > > Dear Dennis, > > > > I have heard two reports, both saying no effect > > observed or felt. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman > > > > > > > > To: oxyplus@...: > > blackcat54@...: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 > > 16:10:40 -0400Subject: Zeolite > > > > > > > > > > Saul & group,I have been reading how liquid zeolite > > is useful as an oral chelator to remove heavy metals > > & other toxins from the body.I am looking for > > feedback....good bad or indifferent as to the > > efficacy of this.My interest began after Null > > mentioned zeolite in a positive light. Dr > > Gordon and Dr Cousens also support its > > use.Thanks,Dennis[Non-text portions of this message > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love > > Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping > > crossword puzzles into one! > > http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 http://www.zeoliteautismstudy.com/home/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id\ =15 & Itemid=27 Zeolite > > > > > > > > > > Saul & group,I have been reading how liquid zeolite > > is useful as an oral chelator to remove heavy metals > > & other toxins from the body.I am looking for > > feedback....good bad or indifferent as to the > > efficacy of this.My interest began after Null > > mentioned zeolite in a positive light. Dr > > Gordon and Dr Cousens also support its > > use.Thanks,Dennis[Non-text portions of this message > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love > > Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping > > crossword puzzles into one! > > http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Well, I still have to say it had a posative effect on me, but then again, maybe I just got a hold of one of those with all the copper in it and I had a copper deficiency LOL LOL. As I said, after taking it for nearly a year, it started to have a negative effect on me. My memory has been badly effected by something, just hope it wasn't the zeolite! Am thinking it is more from being so chronically ill and from the fungus and deficiencies. Wonder what could possably be in it that would be harmful to the memory~~~~~~ Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Dennis, I also would advise you not to use it because while it did certainly seem to help me, I do have a lot of memory loss. Considerable in fact, but I can't blame the zeolite because my condition could also cause the same loss. However I would be very cautious due to what people are saying. There are other ways to get toxins and heavy metals out, probably just eating Dr. Schultz's super food tablets or drinking the powder mix over a long period of time would do just as much for you and have added health benefits Also you can buy fresh celantro greens and juice them as this will take out a lot of stuff and it is certainly cheaper and more healthy for certain than zeolite. I had a friend that was selling it and pushing which is why I finally took it. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 HI Steph, For some people Lithium Orotate helps with the mental or brain damage that the pathogens cause. I know for me it has. My doctor in the Seattle area did research on it for over 30 years and put his patients on it. Lithium Oratate or Lithium Aspartate can be used. You can look up his website www.tahoma-clinic.com . He has articles on it. Also the Lyme and Rife book written by Rosner also has a chapter on it that explains why it is helpful to take it when you have pathogens in your system. Take care \ cathy Subject: Re: Zeolite To: oxyplus Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 2:55 AM Well, I still have to say it had a posative effect on me, but then again, maybe I just got a hold of one of those with all the copper in it and I had a copper deficiency LOL LOL. As I said, after taking it for nearly a year, it started to have a negative effect on me. My memory has been badly effected by something, just hope it wasn't the zeolite! Am thinking it is more from being so chronically ill and from the fungus and deficiencies. Wonder what could possably be in it that would be harmful to the memory~~~~~~ Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 OH wow , you know someone recomended that for me a couple years ago and I have been buying and taking it sporadically not even knowing what it was for LOL. Guess I had better get back at it again the way my memory is failing. Thanks much for the tip. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 just my personal experience....I wish I had a longer time frame to report on, but since it came up as a topic, I figured I would add in what occurred for me. having had my amalgams removed in 2006 at Huggins clinic in Colorado, and having tried many things from ozone therapy, colon therapy, mega sodium ascorbate for a year, fasting, herbs like rhodiola, homeopathy, urine therapy, rife, authentic reiki, and the list goes on.... I have to say I was really surprised when I had excellent results from using zeolite ;-) and I mean by far the biggest improvement (except the amalgam removal and rife) in the last 10 yrs. I would be interested to see a hair analysis now. The last one I had done in 2006 showed I was high in lots of metals. Mind you, that being said, I don't believe NCD or anything to be a 'fix all'. It is not forgiving of any poor dietary choices I make. The more successful I adhere to proper food, the better I feel- this is probably true for most people, but it can be difficult to avoid junk food or foods we cannot tolerate. Prior to taking the zeolite, I had a rough Feb/March with first time anxiety, racing heart and fatigue. I was fortunate to connect with someone in Nova Scotia who helped teach me about PH balancing and Dr. Carey Reams. Over the next 6 weeks thanks to him and his suggestions, I made rapid and steady improvement as I began charting my ph, adding Concentrace, lugol's, greens, molasses, coral calcium etc. THEN I added zeolite! I discovered that while doing this and making smart food choices (no junk, no processed foods, organic when possilbe, gluten free, dairy free, yeast free, lots of greens etc.) the addition of the NCD was like a rocket booster! I wasn't ready to believe it could work past a couple of weeks. But I kept feeling superb!!! Within about 3 days of the NCD, my libido came back 200% which has been virtually non existent since I began having kids and breastfeeding 7 yrs ago. Boy was that fun! I would try the different things whether adrenal related, herbs, homeopathy, that would help but several weeks later it would be gone. This time I kept waiting for it to all go poof. But it didn't. Perhaps it would have levelled out over time as I would have decreased the dosage to a maintenance dose. With the addition of the NCD came INCREASED memory- I started remembering things from when I was a little child, crystal clear memories of past relationships, events etc. that were lost in a haze. very awesome. I was taking 15 drops 3x a day and I was religiously drinking 80- 100 ounces of room temp water a day (I weighed about 113 lbs) but I have read where the recommendations are much higher in drops for the NCD and 4x a day not 3x. I have also read it can dehydrate you so drinking lots of water I was told was a must. I can french braid my hair proficiently every time now (I have tried SO hard since I was 20 - I'm 40 now.... but my brain didn't seem to 'work', I was so frustrated! THEN after amalgam removal in 2006....I could do it!!, BUT it came and went) It is so weird to be in the middle of doing it and not know how your fingers work- its like a blank. I have been doing my hair now since I began taking the NCD and I have not relapsed. My energy increased dramatically too and held for over 2 months at which point I discovered I was pregnant! damn! ROFL. It probably would have all continued except the worry of a possible pregnancy took over my thoughts 24/7!!! In the end, a nice blessing since we always kept feeling the timing wasn't right and we were running out of time. I tell you I'm not surprised though, I felt sooooooooo incredibly alive again!!!!! Since there isn't any information on zeolite and pregnancy it is difficult to make a choice to continue it. I have had a wee bit of naseau and some say the NCD helps to aliviate that, I found that I started to feel this naseau when I stopped taking the NCD when I found out I was pregnant. In all reality though the naseau seems to be related to unwise dietary choices like breads or a muffin. The wheat seems to bring the morning sickness on so my will power wins most of the time! I know one of the other women I know that I got the NCD from and who takes it surmised that for her it seemed to increase the effectiveness of the other things she takes. That seemed to be plausible for me. I did cut everything else out for a week and NCD alone was not as effective. Add it all back in and I seemed to have optimal results. I don't know, for me I figured one round of the NCD was worth it to know for myself. Heck I've tried so many other things...why not? LOL Not everything works the same for everybody. My husband is hopefully going to try it for an initial 4 weeks and see how it works for him. Nothing seems to change the way he feels - either good or bad. Things that work dramatcially for me, don't phaze him! Should be interesting. Anyhow, that's just my experience thus far. Not sure if it is enough to go on for anyone, but if I wasn't pregnant I'd still be on it ;-) > > > > > > > > Dear Dennis, > > > > > > I have heard two reports, both saying no effect > > > observed or felt. Best of Health! Dr. Saul > Pressman > > > > > > > > > > > > To: oxyplus@...: > > > blackcat54@...: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 > > > 16:10:40 -0400Subject: Zeolite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saul & group,I have been reading how liquid > zeolite > > > is useful as an oral chelator to remove heavy > metals > > > & other toxins from the body.I am looking for > > > feedback....good bad or indifferent as to the > > > efficacy of this.My interest began after > Null > > > mentioned zeolite in a positive light. Dr > > > Gordon and Dr Cousens also support its > > > use.Thanks,Dennis[Non-text portions of this > message > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll > love > > > Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping > > > crossword puzzles into one! > > > http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 A big thank you to everybody for sharing your zeolite opinions & stories. I am right in the middle of digging up a bounty of material on this very interesting mineral. The reports of clinicians in treating autism are especially intriguing. I simply cannot ignore this! I will be trying this down the road. Dennis Zeolite Saul & group, I have been reading how liquid zeolite is useful as an oral chelator to remove heavy metals & other toxins from the body. I am looking for feedback....good bad or indifferent as to the efficacy of this. My interest began after Null mentioned zeolite in a positive light. Dr Gordon and Dr Cousens also support its use. Thanks, Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Dennis, Your reference to autism reminded me of an article I recently read from the MIND Institute at the University of California, regarding Triclosan and its direct connection to causes of Autism. " Researchers have long believed that children with autism have a genetic weakness that is then triggered by an environmental toxin or event. Dr. Randi Hagerman, a doctor and researchers at the MIND Institute (a premier institute studying causes of autism) recently returned from a conference in London. Randi's statement to us is: " We have long suspected the chemical Triclosan, and now the research is absolutely conclusive that this chemical is toxic and is the most likely candidate for autism. " Dr. Hagerman stated very strongly - " do not use any products with triclosan, and do not use plastic bottles with babies - use glass! Triclosan is found in anti-bacterial soaps, some deodorants, and some toothpaste. Triclosan interferes with myelination the brain. Researchers are starting to study triclosan for a possible link to Alzheimers. " I was sad to see that my favorite Teva sandels that I wear every day have Triclosan in them. And when I went shopping at Target the other day I noticed that several liquid soaps said Triclosan-free. So, I guess it is well known. But, I never heard about it before. Ruth -------------- Original message ---------------------- > A big thank you to everybody for sharing your zeolite opinions & stories. > > I am right in the middle of digging up a bounty of material on this very > interesting mineral. > > The reports of clinicians in treating autism are especially intriguing. > > I simply cannot ignore this! > > I will be trying this down the road. > > Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 , your testimony was very helpful to me. I do have a bit of a problem lately sticking to the diet stricktly. I don't have time or energy to juice like I should either. You have given me the urge to get back in gear on that. Thanks much, and I am also going to start getting my fillings out but have to do it at a regular dentist as there are no pros. at that anywhere near by for me to go to. Thanks again from me at least, for you great testimony. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Does anyone happen to know if the Zephyrhills water bottles has the triclosan in them? It sure doesn't say anything on the bottle and I drink them all the time when I am on the road. I just threw out three big bottles of the antibacterial soap!!! Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 > > A big thank you to everybody for sharing your zeolite opinions & stories. > > I am right in the middle of digging up a bounty of material on this very interesting mineral. > > The reports of clinicians in treating autism are especially intriguing. > > I simply cannot ignore this! > > I will be trying this down the road. > > Dennis > Hi Dennis, There was a guy on another lists that had the same experience did. He had his fillings removed and was suffering a lot, trying this and that. It wasn't until he got on the zeolite that all symptoms disappeared and it didn't take long. He just used it for the metal toxicity and then quit but the results were so impressive because what he had tried before didn't work. For those that can't tell one way or the other, maybe they just don't have a problem with metal toxicity. I drink a mineral drink with zeolite in it. I have to say I notice more mental allertness on the days I drink it. Don't take it every day but maybe I should. Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 There is zeolite, and then there is the Waiora zeolite product. Waiora is an MLM. There are cheaper sources, for sure, though not the exact same form. I have heard of many good results from using it. I used it for a while, and possible over-used it, as I became de- mineralized and was having aching in my heart. Just make sure you re-mineralize, from time to time. > Saul & group, > > I have been reading how liquid zeolite is useful as an oral > chelator to remove heavy metals & other toxins from the body. > > I am looking for feedback....good bad or indifferent as to the > efficacy of this. > > My interest began after Null mentioned zeolite in a positive > light. Dr Gordon and Dr Cousens also support its use. > > Thanks, > > Dennis > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Sara, I took the Waiora but what do you mean that it is an MLM??? I think a very good mineral is fulvics which really saved my life. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 MLM means multi level marketing. I was lucky enough to put myself in the hands of a very good ayurvedic Dr. who put me on oatmeal and nuts and dried fruits, with lots of ghee, too. I recovered from my condition easily. sarah > > Sara, I took the Waiora but what do you > mean that it is an MLM??? I think a very good mineral is fulvics > which really saved my life. > > Steph > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 , How do you know you were demineralized? Zeolite is not known to remove good minerals from the body. Dennis Re: Zeolite There is zeolite, and then there is the Waiora zeolite product. Waiora is an MLM. There are cheaper sources, for sure, though not the exact same form. I have heard of many good results from using it. I used it for a while, and possible over-used it, as I became de- mineralized and was having aching in my heart. Just make sure you re-mineralize, from time to time. > Saul & group, > > I have been reading how liquid zeolite is useful as an oral > chelator to remove heavy metals & other toxins from the body. > > I am looking for feedback....good bad or indifferent as to the > efficacy of this. > > My interest began after Null mentioned zeolite in a positive > light. Dr Gordon and Dr Cousens also support its use. > > Thanks, > > Dennis > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 , what was you condition again? Obviously you didn't have the celiacs problem. Candida victims can't have oatmeal. I love it though and really miss such things. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I had NO energy, was sleeping long hours at night, dragging around... My other symptom was chest pain, around my heart. My ayurvedic Dr. diagnoses by feeling the pulses, looking at the eyes, toungue, etc. He determined that my heart was fine, it was the muscles around the heart which lacked minerals and that was causing the pain. (Lucky I didn't go to a cardiologist, right?) I have heard more than a few similar testimonials as mine, where demineralization occurred after prolonged use. Of course Waiora will not admit this. For a while, I felt it was really helping me. I think the key is to take a break from it sometimes. > , > > How do you know you were demineralized? Zeolite is not known to > remove good minerals from the body. > > Dennis > > Re: Zeolite > > There is zeolite, and then there is the Waiora zeolite product. > Waiora is an MLM. There are cheaper sources, for sure, though not the > exact same form. > > I have heard of many good results from using it. > I used it for a while, and possible over-used it, as I became de- > mineralized and was having aching in my heart. > Just make sure you re-mineralize, from time to time. > > > > > > > Saul & group, > > > > I have been reading how liquid zeolite is useful as an oral > > chelator to remove heavy metals & other toxins from the body. > > > > I am looking for feedback....good bad or indifferent as to the > > efficacy of this. > > > > My interest began after Null mentioned zeolite in a positive > > light. Dr Gordon and Dr Cousens also support its use. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dennis > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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