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I bought a used Champion yesterday and will try it in a minute. It looks to me

though that the way it juices would not be that different from my old Juiceman

with centrifuge action. I mean the blade things inside spin against a screen,

how is that so much different???

My Juiceman lasted a long time and I wanted something that cleaned more

efficiently as the plastic parts of the juiceman were fast to clean but it

stained over time and this bothered me. Well it looks as though the Champion is

just the same, plastic parts that are stained. ?? I better get out there and try

it  in case I need to take it back. He ran it but I did not take any  veggies

with me to try. Also, it does not seem to some with  a place for the stuff that

comes out , either kind:) and it is so low to the counter, I am wondering about

that as my Juiceman had a big container that fit next to the machine and caught

the pulp and a spout where I put my big glass for the juice.     

Subject: JUICERS

To: oxyplus

Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 3:43 AM

Hey everyone, I just bought a Champion juicer and am wanting to send it

back. Havn't figured out how to use it yet so havn't, but the opening

where you put the vegies. in is so small it would take me for ever to

get done and I am not up to that much extra work of cutting stuff up.

Also it says on the box that it is a masticating juicer rather than

pressing or squeezing.

Before I return it, what is the skinny on pressing and masticating? Is

one better than the other? Any juiceing machine experts on here?

Also what's with this magnetic lock thing? I know I don't like that

either. I am used to the Jack Lalane juicer but throught I would

upgrade to a stronger machine because it jams up so easy. Other than

that, I really like the Jack Lalane because it is so easy and fast to

use. I do need another back up maching and am hoping someone can give

me some info. on juicers as to what has a large opening for the vegies,

easy to clean and easy to use and about the pressing verses the

masticating thing.

Thanks much. Steph

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My Mom bought a used Champion. She didn't like the stains either, so she

called the company. The sold her (cheap) a cleaner that took all the stains

right off, plus they sold her some paper inserts. These go in the basket

and so all she had to do to clean the juicer was pull the paper out and

throw it away. No muss, no fuss. Just like coffee filters, only to fit the

juicer basket.

Samala,

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The plastic parts of the juiceman were fast to clean but it stained over time

and this bothered me. Well it looks as though the Champion is just the same,

plastic parts that are stained. ?? I better get out there and try it in case I

need to take it back.

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I did a little research on juicers when I bought mine.  There was some thought

that the spin action of the masticating may heat the vegetables up enough to

destroy enzymes.  I bought an Omega 8000 it is an auger press and am totally

pleased.  I had a Juiceman and the juice from the Omega is worlds apart better. 

It is not hard to clean either. 

Subject: JUICERS

To: oxyplus

Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 2:43 AM

Hey everyone, I just bought a Champion juicer and am wanting to send it

back. Havn't figured out how to use it yet so havn't, but the opening

where you put the vegies. in is so small it would take me for ever to

get done and I am not up to that much extra work of cutting stuff up.

Also it says on the box that it is a masticating juicer rather than

pressing or squeezing.

Before I return it, what is the skinny on pressing and masticating? Is

one better than the other? Any juiceing machine experts on here?

Also what's with this magnetic lock thing? I know I don't like that

either. I am used to the Jack Lalane juicer but throught I would

upgrade to a stronger machine because it jams up so easy. Other than

that, I really like the Jack Lalane because it is so easy and fast to

use. I do need another back up maching and am hoping someone can give

me some info. on juicers as to what has a large opening for the vegies,

easy to clean and easy to use and about the pressing verses the

masticating thing.

Thanks much. Steph

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Steph,

Your LaLane is probably the best in its price class.

Next up is the Green Power /Green Star gear juicers , but these are

considerably pricier. Cleaning is still a chore.

The VitaMix is the easiest to clean and use. You get all the pulp in

the juice, so there's a learning curve for things such as dilution

etc. but you can do much more with it as a powerful appliance.

It also is pricey.

Chuck

Why do they lock gas station bathrooms?

Are they afraid someone will clean them?

> Hey everyone, I just bought a Champion juicer and am wanting to send it

> back. Havn't figured out how to use it yet so havn't, but the opening

> where you put the vegies. in is so small it would take me for ever to

> get done and I am not up to that much extra work of cutting stuff up.

> Also it says on the box that it is a masticating juicer rather than

> pressing or squeezing.

>

> Before I return it, what is the skinny on pressing and masticating? Is

> one better than the other? Any juiceing machine experts on here?

> Also what's with this magnetic lock thing? I know I don't like that

> either. I am used to the Jack Lalane juicer but throught I would

> upgrade to a stronger machine because it jams up so easy. Other than

> that, I really like the Jack Lalane because it is so easy and fast to

> use. I do need another back up maching and am hoping someone can give

> me some info. on juicers as to what has a large opening for the vegies,

> easy to clean and easy to use and about the pressing verses the

> masticating thing.

>

> Thanks much. Steph

>

>

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If you store juice, there's a difference.

It is my understanding that a centrifuge juicer will introduce more air

into the juice than the masticating or gear type. Heat is an issue in

all of them but very much under the operator's control.

To store juice: make certain your container is as full as possible so

no air in the top of the container. Don't store it long as it degrades

quickly. Might want to add some CS (EIS) to it to retard degradation.

You can freeze juice but again, the benefits are reduced from the fresh

with freezing. However, any juice you make with your juicer whether 4

days old in the fridge or thawed from having been frozen is way better

for you than anything you can buy at the store because everything there

has been heated.

I had a cool juicer experience just today....story coming....

My brother called yesterday to ask me to start looking for another

LaLanne for him, he'd ruined 2 in one day doing tomatos for canning.

Last year he used the neighbor's and I found one for him and another

neighbor for less than $40. He loaned his new one out last weekend but

yesterday it " went out " on him. I mentioned heat override and told him

to take 'em apart and look for it since he had nothing to lose. In the

meantime I'd get a large-hole screen for my champion and he can use it.

There was a heat override so both LaLanne's he was using worked after

they colled off. And........

I ordered the large screen from the Champion web page and they do NOT

charge shipping! Got a confirmation post about it this morning so

emailed them to verify and it's true! The didn't charge shipping on

this little piece! Whoever heard of that! There was one elsewhere on

the web for $3 less but it was $4 more when adding in the shipping.

Saralou

ectopistes@... wrote:

>

>

> Hey everyone, I just bought a Champion juicer and am wanting to send it

> back. Havn't figured out how to use it yet so havn't, but the opening

> where you put the vegies. in is so small it would take me for ever to

> get done and I am not up to that much extra work of cutting stuff up.

> Also it says on the box that it is a masticating juicer rather than

> pressing or squeezing.

>

> Before I return it, what is the skinny on pressing and masticating? Is

> one better than the other? Any juiceing machine experts on here?

> Also what's with this magnetic lock thing? I know I don't like that

> either. I am used to the Jack Lalane juicer but throught I would

> upgrade to a stronger machine because it jams up so easy. Other than

> that, I really like the Jack Lalane because it is so easy and fast to

> use. I do need another back up maching and am hoping someone can give

> me some info. on juicers as to what has a large opening for the vegies,

> easy to clean and easy to use and about the pressing verses the

> masticating thing.

>

> Thanks much. Steph

>

>

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Chuck, I had a vitamix and used it once and returned it because the

" muck " made me gag. I can't stand to drink slimey pulp. YUG GUGALUG.

I still don't know the difference between pressed juicers and those that

shred, which is best for health when the juice is done. Steph

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---So far It seems that it depends what you are trying to juice. For

myself i do a lot of greens in my juice like parlsey, kale, chard,

spinach, sprouts, beet greens etc and then add one or two carrots and

a beet. So for that there are not many that do a better job than the

Samson and is reasonably priced. If you do more carrots, apples etc

than i think the Jack lalanne does a better job and the champion. i

used to complain about the small hole to cut the veggies in but the

Samson is quite easy to clean as compared to Jack's and so it all

depends where you want to spend your time- cleaning or cutting. i

figured out it was the same amount of time. The Samson does not do as

good a job for carrots. There is a lot of pulp and not much juice. On

the other hand the Samson will take juice out of all these greens

while the others hardly will do that. That has been my experience and

I checked with the Samsom people and they told me that I was correct

on that one. No matter what I love my juices! So juice away Steph.

HOpe you are doing well.

cathy

In oxyplus , RoseOtto wrote:

>

> If you store juice, there's a difference.

>

> It is my understanding that a centrifuge juicer will introduce more

air

> into the juice than the masticating or gear type. Heat is an issue

in

> all of them but very much under the operator's control.

>

> To store juice: make certain your container is as full as possible

so

> no air in the top of the container. Don't store it long as it

degrades

> quickly. Might want to add some CS (EIS) to it to retard

degradation.

> You can freeze juice but again, the benefits are reduced from the

fresh

> with freezing. However, any juice you make with your juicer

whether 4

> days old in the fridge or thawed from having been frozen is way

better

> for you than anything you can buy at the store because everything

there

> has been heated.

>

> I had a cool juicer experience just today....story coming....

> My brother called yesterday to ask me to start looking for another

> LaLanne for him, he'd ruined 2 in one day doing tomatos for

canning.

> Last year he used the neighbor's and I found one for him and

another

> neighbor for less than $40. He loaned his new one out last weekend

but

> yesterday it " went out " on him. I mentioned heat override and told

him

> to take 'em apart and look for it since he had nothing to lose. In

the

> meantime I'd get a large-hole screen for my champion and he can use

it.

> There was a heat override so both LaLanne's he was using worked

after

> they colled off. And........

> I ordered the large screen from the Champion web page and they do

NOT

> charge shipping! Got a confirmation post about it this morning so

> emailed them to verify and it's true! The didn't charge shipping

on

> this little piece! Whoever heard of that! There was one elsewhere

on

> the web for $3 less but it was $4 more when adding in the shipping.

>

> Saralou

>

> ectopistes@... wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hey everyone, I just bought a Champion juicer and am wanting to

send it

> > back. Havn't figured out how to use it yet so havn't, but the

opening

> > where you put the vegies. in is so small it would take me for

ever to

> > get done and I am not up to that much extra work of cutting stuff

up.

> > Also it says on the box that it is a masticating juicer rather

than

> > pressing or squeezing.

> >

> > Before I return it, what is the skinny on pressing and

masticating? Is

> > one better than the other? Any juiceing machine experts on here?

> > Also what's with this magnetic lock thing? I know I don't like

that

> > either. I am used to the Jack Lalane juicer but throught I would

> > upgrade to a stronger machine because it jams up so easy. Other

than

> > that, I really like the Jack Lalane because it is so easy and

fast to

> > use. I do need another back up maching and am hoping someone can

give

> > me some info. on juicers as to what has a large opening for the

vegies,

> > easy to clean and easy to use and about the pressing verses the

> > masticating thing.

> >

> > Thanks much. Steph

> >

> >

>

>

>

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> Chuck, I had a vitamix and used it once and returned it because the

> " muck " made me gag. I

> can't stand to drink slimey pulp. YUG GUGALUG.

> I still don't know the

> difference between pressed juicers and those that

> shred, which is best for health when the juice is done. Steph

>

Funny, but I prefer the vitamix, but that's why they bet on

horseraces...

To your question, no difference between juices from the different

juicers except perhaps yield and convenience.

Some won't do the grasses.

Some are hard to clean.

Temperature arguements are a red herring as long as you are only doing

enough for immediate use.

Stick with your LaLanne.

He's my hero, anyway...

Chuck

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Dunno. Like I said, Mom bought the machine used at a garage sale. It did a

great job, and the filters made it super easy to clean.

Personally I much prefer to use my 3 hp blender. Easy to clean--just rinse

it out and you are done. You get full benefit of fiber, and juice in a

super smooth, liquid drink. It will blend up anything. If I were really

going for a juice fast I'd use a juicer, or for certain health conditions

juice is better. But for most health issues and simplicity the blender is

best.

I had a VitaMix, but the motor burnt out way before it should have. Well,

the high speed on the motor did something. It won't run on the high speed,

only the low speed. High speed makes it trip the safety switch and shuts it

off. So I use it for making my herb tinctures. I bought a BlendTek for my

smoothies. I love it.

Samala,

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That's a great tip Salala, but why don't they send some or tell you about

those filters when they first sell you the juicers?

Still, the hole for the vegies is SO small.

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The Samson is the best... it runs at 300 revs per minute instead of thousand

the others. This means the juice extracted is pure, complete, and with all

the natural properties of a juice. Furthermore at the Samson you can attach

a Oil extractor (optional) that produces sesame, sunflower, or flax oils

really fresh... remember to use flax oil fresh because the sending IN

plastic bottles leaves a lot to desire...

> On 9/3/2008 7:55:33 PM, ectopistes@... <ectopistes%40webtv.net>wrote:

> > Chuck, I had a vitamix and used it once and returned it because the

> > " muck " made me gag. I

> > can't stand to drink slimey pulp. YUG GUGALUG.

> > I still don't know the

> > difference between pressed juicers and those that

> > shred, which is best for health when the juice is done. Steph

> >

>

> Funny, but I prefer the vitamix, but that's why they bet on

> horseraces...

>

> To your question, no difference between juices from the different

> juicers except perhaps yield and convenience.

> Some won't do the grasses.

> Some are hard to clean.

> Temperature arguements are a red herring as long as you are only doing

> enough for immediate use.

>

> Stick with your LaLanne.

> He's my hero, anyway...

>

> Chuck

> Does the Little Mermaid wear an algebra?

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Had many juicers over the years.

Now.....Blendtec blender to micronize the fruits & veggies..... pour contents

into a nutmilk bag and squeeze... preferably under a hydraulic press......pulp

free juice.

Dennis

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The Samson is the best... it runs at 300 revs per minute instead of thousand

the others. This means the juice extracted is pure, complete, and with all

the natural properties of a juice. Furthermore at the Samson you can attach

a Oil extractor (optional) that produces sesame, sunflower, or flax oils

really fresh... remember to use flax oil fresh because the sending IN

plastic bottles leaves a lot to desire...

> On 9/3/2008 7:55:33 PM, ectopistes@... <ectopistes%40webtv.net>wrote:

> > Chuck, I had a vitamix and used it once and returned it because the

> > " muck " made me gag. I

> > can't stand to drink slimey pulp. YUG GUGALUG.

> > I still don't know the

> > difference between pressed juicers and those that

> > shred, which is best for health when the juice is done. Steph

> >

>

> Funny, but I prefer the vitamix, but that's why they bet on

> horseraces...

>

> To your question, no difference between juices from the different

> juicers except perhaps yield and convenience.

> Some won't do the grasses.

> Some are hard to clean.

> Temperature arguements are a red herring as long as you are only doing

> enough for immediate use.

>

> Stick with your LaLanne.

> He's my hero, anyway...

>

> Chuck

> Does the Little Mermaid wear an algebra?

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Thanks everyone for all of your great input. So many decisions to make

all the time just to stay alive!!! I probably need the easiest juicer

to use and clean even though I'd rather have the best and healthiest of

them, the fact remains if it is too difficult and takes too much time

and energy I won't use it at all~~~so better an inferiour model that I

will use than a high quality performer that sits there is my reasoning.

As easy as the Jack Lalane is to use and clean, I seldom have the time

or energy to get to it. I shudder to think of having one more time

consuming and difficult so I guess now that I have an idea of what the

good ones are, how about ease and simplicity amoungst the ones that are

best?

Steph

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, that was helpful but it still leaves me indecisive as which one

to get. I do carrots and the greens, and I sure did notice that with

the Jack juicer the greens get wasted. On the other hand, I would not

want the carrots to get wasted either LOL. And are you saying that the

Samson also has a small hole for the vegies. to fit into? I hate that.

Gotta be one out there that does greens and carrots equally well, with a

large hole for the vegies to fit through that is easy to clean. No????

Steph

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If you must have pure juice, this won't count. But if you are looking for

liquid as smooth as juice and simplicity in cleaning, then a high powered

blender is the way to go. A regular store bought blender won't do it, but a

3 or higher one will. And as for cleaning--simply rinse the container out

with clean water. If you feel like you want to actually wash it, depending

on what you've blended, fill with water, add a drop of dish washing liquid,

blend for a second and rinse. Simple.

My Blend Tek will blend in carrots, nuts, anything I have tried so far, into

smooth liquid. Not chunks. And you can make it as thin as you want by

adding in some water or a bottled juice.

I put in various types of leafy greens, whatever veggies I have on hand,

like cucumber, green pepper, broccoli, a beet, squash--whatever. Lots of

leafy greens and a mix of veggies is what I usually throw in. Plus whatever

fruit I have on hand--an orange, a banana, a plum, an apple. Again I

usually use a mix of these in one batch. Plus then I throw my vitamins in,

some vanilla flavored whey for extra protein and flavor, a bit of water or

juice to get it all started. It blends for just a minute or two.

When it comes out, if it's a bit too thick, I simply add more liquid and

blend for a few more seconds. This usually gives me a full container, which

is enough to last me for breakfast and lunch. I pour some out into a big

glass for now and then put the rest into a quart canning jar. When I bought

my Blend Tek they also sent a little hand vacuum. You put it over a hole

you've punched in the canning jar lid, and covered with a special tab, and

pump all the air out so that the drink stays very fresh and doesn't oxidize.

Refrigerate, and then you have a drink for lunch or supper almost as fresh,

nutrition wise, as if you just made it. Then I rinse the blender container

out and let it air dry.

If a person were really concerned about cleanliness you could also spray

the inside of the container with CS or H2O2 and vinegar.

It takes me less than a half hour to do this whole process. The longest

part is selecting and cutting the veggies into chunks and peeling fruit like

oranges or grapefruit. I save time by pre-mixing the veggies into bags

when I buy them. Like I will throw in a bunch of greens along with a few

pieces of broccoli, a half a cucumber, a half of green pepper, a half of a

beet. I put them into the green saver bags, squish out all the air and

twist tie the bags and put them in the fridge. They will keep fresh for

almost a week. Then in the morning I simply take out a bag, dump it into

the blender, get my fruit in, my supplements in (which you can't taste) some

water, blend, pour, rinse and I'm done in less than 15 minutes--for 2 meals

a day.

Don't know how it can get much easier than that. Because I like veggies, I

have only ever disliked one batch I made, because I put in 2 beets instead

of my usual half. They were getting old and I didn't think it would

overwhelm everything else. Tasted like I was just eating beets. :-) but

the mix of fruits curbs the very green taste of the veggies, the veggies cut

the sweetness or sourness of the fruit, all the food covers the taste of the

supplements.

I've done a variety of juicers and I've done the 3 hp blender. I'd choose

the blender ANY day.

Samala,

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I shudder to think of having one more time

consuming and difficult so I guess now that I have an idea of what the

good ones are, how about ease and simplicity amoungst the ones that are

best?

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Nice summary ,

You're much more thorough and patient than I am.

The vitamix works the same.

Everything has a learning curve.

Chuck

If a deaf person swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?

> If you must have pure juice, this

> won't count. But if you are looking for

> liquid as smooth as juice and simplicity in cleaning, then a high powered

> blender is the way to go. A regular store bought blender won't

> do it, but a

> 3 or higher one will. And as for cleaning--simply rinse the container

> out

> with clean water. If you feel like you want to actually wash it,

> depending

> on what

> you've blended, fill with water, add a drop of dish washing liquid,

> blend for a second and rinse. Simple.

>

> My Blend Tek will blend in carrots, nuts, anything I have tried so far, into

> smooth liquid. Not chunks. And you can make it as thin as you want by

> adding in some water or a bottled juice.

>

> I put in various types of leafy greens, whatever veggies I have on hand,

> like cucumber, green pepper, broccoli, a beet, squash--whatever. Lots of

> leafy greens and a mix of veggies is what I usually throw in. Plus whatever

> fruit I have on hand--an orange, a banana, a plum, an apple. Again I

> usually use a mix of these in one batch. Plus then I throw my vitamins in,

> some vanilla flavored whey for extra protein and flavor, a bit of water or

> juice to get it all started. It blends for

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Yes, I did like the drinks from my VitaMix, but I do have to say that the

Blend Tek makes them even smoother than the VM does. It's just SO much more

simple in a blender than a juicer.

Samala,

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The vitamix works the same.

Everything has a learning curve.

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Well, If my vitamix ever goes south, I'll try a Blend Tek...

It's been over twenty years though.

I know I won't be without one or the other, though.

Chuck

How is it possible to have a civil war?

> Yes, I did like the drinks from my VitaMix, but I do have to say that the

> Blend Tek makes them even smoother than the VM does. It's just SO much more

> simple in a blender than a juicer.

>

> Samala,

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> The vitamix works the same.

> Everything has a learning curve.

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ATTENTION: All Vitamix Users:

Why not make life a little easier and strain the mix and pulp after

your mix. It's clean, quick, removes the pulp and very easy. Obie

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As I said before....use a nut milk bag!

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ATTENTION: All Vitamix Users:

Why not make life a little easier and strain the mix and pulp after

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Yes, that'll be good, too.

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As I said before....use a nut milk bag!

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Hmmm, why not just add more liquid to the mix? It is only as thick as you

choose to make it. Or, as has been suggested, strain it. The difference

between juicing and blending is with juicing you are missing the fiber,

which the body needs.

Samala,

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Chuck I have the Vitamix also and am with Stephany on not liking that thick

sludge..it gags me.

I prefer the juicer.

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Dear Obie,

Because the pulp has half of the nutrients.Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman

To: oxyplus@...: obie@...: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:32:30

-0500Subject: RE: JUICERS

ATTENTION: All Vitamix Users:Why not make life a little easier and strain the

mix and pulp afteryour mix. It's clean, quick, removes the pulp and very easy.

Obie__________________________________________________________

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Samala, the best way is to JUICE and THEN after you have juiced, take

some of the fiber that is left and throw it in according to taste THAT

WAY it isn't slimely and gaggy like what you get from a blender and you

still get both. Am having more than enough troubel with slime in my

throat from this candida and whatever else I have without adding it to

my food LOL!!!

All I need is the right juicer.

Steph

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