Re: JUICERS

[Guest guest]

Could whoever it was that sent the link to the alternative cancer

treatments pease post those link again? I noticed there was something

on there about fixing decayed teeth yourself without going to a dentist?

Now I wish I would have save it but my web tv does not store enough

info. for me to keep things.

Steph

[Guest guest]

I've been a Vita-Mix owner for almost 10 years now, and I think it's great!

Yep, it does great frozen desserts. It does hot soup. It gets hot because of

the friction generated by running it for several minutes. The machine comes

with a nice cookbook that has all kinds of neat stuff in it for how to use the

machine. The soup gets *hot* if you run it long enough!!

I prefer making soup in my crockpot or my waterless cook pot but the Vitamix

will make soup.

I use my Vitamix machine for smoothies mostly but it does other things.

it's a really nice all-purpose machine. Yes it is expensive; however, you won't

ever need to buy another blender after

getting this machine! The only drawback I can see is that with all that power

it's pretty loud.

(http://www.vitamix.com/)

I use my Vitamixer constantly for shakes and smoothies, which it does

a ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL job on!

Anyway, if you want a blender that lasts... they do! And are easy to

clean. It delivers fruits and veggies with their fiber - a juicer like the

champion extracts the pulp and fiber -- which most of us need more of.

I had a champion and it was a pain to clean and I finally gave it to the

Goodwill.

[Guest guest]

Slimy and gaggy? Man, you must have one crummy blender. I LOVE my blender

drinks. Well, to each their own. :-)

Samala,

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THAT

WAY it isn't slimely and gaggy like what you get from a blender

[Guest guest]

Samala, it was the vitamix blender that I used ONCE and sent back

because of that.

Steph

[Guest guest]

Huh. Too bad. It could have been what veggies you put in, how long you ran

it, how much liquid you added to it to start out with (or ended up with).

Personally I'd have experimented a bit more. But I realize you are sick and

perhaps were too tired. But considering how tired you are, and unable to do

much work, cleaning a blender is a snap compared to cleaning ANY juicer.

Well, you've made your choice. I certainly won't post on this again.

:-) Good luck.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Samala, it was the vitamix blender that I used ONCE and sent back

because of that.

[Guest guest]

Well , maybe i DID give up too soon on the blender. Actually, I

had no idea you were supposed to add water so I didn't do that first of

all. And, not wanting to beat it to death I just left it in long

enough to get it blended. Is any of that wrong??? I blended

broccoli, coliflower, carrots, beets, turnips and parsely. Any

comments? All I know is it was intolerably slimey when I " tried " to

drink it. Absolutely gagged me. I just couldn't drink it.

Steph

[Guest guest]

Oh, you absolutely have to add water. This makes it not so thick and makes

blending easier.

And you were adding mostly hard veggies and not enough green leaves. If you

only use hard veggies you get a very thick drink, especially if you haven't

added water. Plus, you added very strong veggies--the beets and parsley,

strong flavors. Beets especially. The only green drink I have mixed up

that I haven't cared for, and refused to drink, was one that I added too

many beets to.

Normally a half of a big beet, or a full small beet is enough. That time,

even though I had everything else in there (lots of veggies and fruits) I

added 2 big beets because they were starting to get soft and I didn't want

to waste them. The beet taste was FAR too strong. It overpowered

everything.

As I said, you need leafy greens--chard, spinach, leaf lettuce or a good mix

of these. This adds lots of moisture. Then throw in pieces of the hard

veggies--like maybe a couple PIECES of cauliflower, broccoli, beets, squash,

carrots. The carrots I will do one full carrot or maybe 2 if I don't have

very many other veggies to add.

What is the saving grace in this green drink is the fruit. Even just a

banana or an apple can make a difference. But I usually throw in whatever I

have--a banana, an orange or an apple, a pear or a plum, a grapefruit (which

I dislike but you can't distinguish it in the mix) or a kiwi or two. Then,

what I have found helps a lot is a scoop of vanilla flavored undenatured

whey. You can actually get a touch of the vanilla flavoring, but it blends

so great with the fruits that it's really good.

If you can't do fruit then I'd suggest flavored stevia. They have vanilla,

apricot, peach, green apple, all sorts of flavors. This would add the

sweetness and some fruit flavor to take away all the green flavor that so

many people dislike.

Then, you blend it for a few MINUTES. You've got to give it time to break

everything up. The stronger the blender the shorter the time, but even with

the Blend Tek or VitaMix it will run for a full minute to 2 minutes.

Pour your water in first because many of the veggies sit up on top of the

greens and don't get pulled down unless there's enough water to start the

blending.

My husband likes a really thin drink, so I mix up the green drink, then pour

out mine because I like it a bit thicker, add a bit more water or juice and

blend for just a few seconds for his thinner drink.

Remember, I know others feel that adding water is a " waste " --they want

strictly pure juice. But the way I see it is that with just juice you are

missing vital phytonutrients that are in the pulp, plus you are missing

fiber. Even adding water or juice to a blender drink you are still getting

ALL of the nutrition as if you were sitting down and chewing these foods.

Only it is much easier on the digestion if they are already broken down.

The high horsepower blenders can break down cell walls and make every bit of

the phytonutrients available to the body. You loose this in the juice.

If I were doing a juice fast, I'd use a juicer. But for normal eating, to

get all the nutrition possible, raw is best. But it's hard to sit down and

eat raw veggies and fruit all day long. Blending this into a drink, which

actually lasts for 2 meals, is a simple, quick and efficient way for me.

Especially since I HATE to cook, but also hate to set up the whole raw food

meal thing. Dressings, sauces, etc. With the blender I don't have to do

any of that, yet I don't get bored because each day it's basically a

slightly different taste.

Plus, as I also said, you can add whatever supplements you want so that you

aren't swallowing a bunch of pills later. I add the whey, selenium, C, bee

pollen, maca, zinc, lecithin, etc. All of these in one blender container,

every day. The taste of the greens and fruits just covers them up.

By adding different fruits, or bottled fruit juices, you relieve the taste

of all the veggies, because not everyone like V8. Lol

I have made a V8 drink with garlic and onions, but mostly for the green

drinks I leave the garlic and onions out as I don't think they'd go good

with the fruit. But I have added all the above veggies, plus tomatoes,

peppers, zucchini, cucumbers. Again--I may only add half of each one,

saving the other half for the next day. If you get those green bags (not

the ones on TV, but the ones you can buy in the health food stores) and put

the cut veggies in there, squeeze out all the air and twist tie them and

throw them in the fridge, they are still perfectly fine the next day, plus

they are already for you to throw in the blender.

On days when I buy a lot of fruits and veggies I separate them out into a

batch of blender mix, put them in zip loc bags and freeze them. Then all I

have to do is take a bag out for a few hours to thaw, throw them in the

blender with a bit less water than normal--because the freezing brings out

the liquid in the leafy greens especially--and my drink is made and cleaned

up in a matter of minutes.

Maybe someone has a good blender you can borrow so that you can try it for a

few days before purchasing. Store blenders just don't do the job. I know

it's a hassle to pack a blender back up and ship it back via mail, but if

you don't know someone then that would be what you'd have to do to test it

out.

www.blindguru.com has great prices on various high horse power blenders.

Lots of info on their site, though you do have to call to get their prices,

because their prices are lower than the blender companies allow them to

advertise. The guy I talked to was real nice, sent me a lot of extra things

like nut bags, a meter to read the sweetness of things, and those pearl like

things (forget the name of them) that makes water better for you. Plus,

they have a return policy too, so it's ok for you to try them. I actually

even think he will send out a couple blenders for you to try, you decide

which one you like and send the other back. Not sure about this though--you

would have to ask him.

Good luck.

-- Re: JUICERS

Well , maybe i DID give up too soon on the blender. Actually, I

had no idea you were supposed to add water so I didn't do that first of

all. And, not wanting to beat it to death I just left it in long

enough to get it blended. Is any of that wrong??? I blended

broccoli, coliflower, carrots, beets, turnips and parsely. Any

comments? All I know is it was intolerably slimey when I " tried " to

drink it. Absolutely gagged me. I just couldn't drink it.

Steph

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[Guest guest]

Thanks , I've made a copy of the info. you sent on blending.

Maybe I will try it again. I know that I am not going to be happy with

the Champion juicer without even trying it out and I can't remember

where I ordered it from because they did not send an invoice in the

package. The return address had no company name and of course no phone

no. so guess I am stuck to sell it to someone at a loss.

I would buy another Jack L. juicer but I don't understand quite for sure

just how much is really lost in nutrients etc.. by using that juicer as

apposed say to a Sampson or something else more expensive??? Can

someone explain to me why the cost is justified and if that much is

really lost?

Steph

[Guest guest]

Heh,

So you blamed the blender, and not the recipe.

Reminds me of the old workshop saying

" A poor workman always blames the tool "

And, of course, " When all else fails, read the instructions "

Chuck

If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?

> Well , maybe i DID give up too soon on the blender. Actually, I

> had no idea you were supposed to add water so I

> didn't do that first of

> all. And, not wanting to beat it to death I just left it in long

> enough to get it blended. Is any of that wrong??? I blended

> broccoli, coliflower, carrots, beets, turnips and parsely. Any

> comments? All I know is it was intolerably slimey when I " tried " to

> drink it. Absolutely gagged me. I just couldn't

> drink it.

>

> Steph

>

>

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[Guest guest]

OK Chucky, every dog has his day remember~~~and that I told you so LOL.

Steph

[Guest guest]

, I really like that you added so much detail in this post; makes it

much easier to visualize what I'm supposed to be trying. I'm starting to

think a blended drink with all the veggies in it rotated on a day to day

basis may be a practical way for me to go right now, so many thanks for your

post. Obie.

Re: JUICERS

Well , maybe i DID give up too soon on the blender. Actually, I

had no idea you were supposed to add water so I didn't do that first of

all. And, not wanting to beat it to death I just left it in long

enough to get it blended. Is any of that wrong??? I blended

broccoli, coliflower, carrots, beets, turnips and parsely. Any

comments? All I know is it was intolerably slimey when I " tried " to

drink it. Absolutely gagged me. I just couldn't drink it.

Steph

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[Guest guest]

Hi Obie. Sometimes I talk too much. :-) But yes, switching veggies and

fruits makes sure you get a full spectrum of nutrition during the week.

Plus, it's easy to just throw in whatever you have on hand. I'm not

organized enough to keep certain veggies on hand to make special flavors or

combinations. Lol

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

, I really like that you added so much detail in this post; makes it

much easier to visualize what I'm supposed to be trying. I'm starting to

think a blended drink with all the veggies in it rotated on a day to day

basis may be a practical way for me to go right now, so many thanks for your

post. Obie.

[Guest guest]

No, it's clarity that many don't understand the necessity to include so

sometimes what comes across is rather blunt shortness with little tenderness

of explanation. You're okay, I like it. Obie.

RE: JUICERS

Hi Obie. Sometimes I talk too much. :-) But yes, switching veggies and

fruits makes sure you get a full spectrum of nutrition during the week.

Plus, it's easy to just throw in whatever you have on hand. I'm not

organized enough to keep certain veggies on hand to make special flavors or

combinations. Lol

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

, I really like that you added so much detail in this post; makes it

much easier to visualize what I'm supposed to be trying. I'm starting to

think a blended drink with all the veggies in it rotated on a day to day

basis may be a practical way for me to go right now, so many thanks for your

post. Obie.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Obie. That's nice of you to say.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

No, it's clarity that many don't understand the necessity to include so

sometimes what comes across is rather blunt shortness with little tenderness

of explanation. You're okay, I like it. Obie.