Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Reading the thread when yall say toxic what exactly are you referring to? Is there some sort of residue that stays on the dishes that is toxic to humans afterwards? Please clarify. Sometimes with all that I read here I wonder why I even bother to step out of my front door because something is just waiting to take me down from my dishwasher detergent to my government. I wonder if a study has ever been done on folks who go the extra extra extra miles to do everything through nourishing tradition or weston price for example if they live alot longer. Or is their quality of life so much better. Just from what I have gathered here most struggle with money, and most are not appreciated when they try to help others. Nobody shoot me just thinking outloud. Brittanymar_yany2 wrote: I have Sally Fallon's book Nourishing Traditions and in it she says dishwasher powder is very poisonous and you should wash dishes by hand if someone in your household is very sick. I never got a dishwasher until my four children were grown up and on their own so when I finally got one I just loved it! Now I have this nagging feeling that maybe the dishwasher isn't such a great thing. I would sure hate to give it up. Would like to hear what other people think. I know this is off topic but there seems to be a lot of Nourishing Traditions fans in this group. Besides, I wash my separator parts in the dishwasher so I guess I can say it is appropriate here.Yany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Dollie, I understand your frustration, but we do have to eliminate what health problems we can. Just look at all the people who have diseases that never existed a generation ago!! I don't have studies, but I have a real life example for you. I kept trying to make kefir but my grains kept dying. I could not figure it out. They'd turn a funky pink color and then putrify. I finally found out that the Cascade I was using in the dishwasher was the most likely culprit. I switched to the all natural cleaning products made by Melaleuca (aka The Wellness Company). Their dishwasher formula uses half the amount as with the " name brands " and doesn't leave the toxic residue on my canning jars and dishes. I hate that I was feeding my family off those dishes for so long!! Now my kefir grains don't die... that's pretty clear evidence to me that this is a healthier alternative!! By the way, the price is comperable to buying Cascade at Wal-Mart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 TY I will look that up. Is it under the wellness company? Brittany Cline wrote: Dollie, I understand your frustration, but we do have to eliminate what health problems we can. Just look at all the people who have diseases that never existed a generation ago!! I don't have studies, but I have a real life example for you. I kept trying to make kefir but my grains kept dying. I could not figure it out. They'd turn a funky pink color and then putrify. I finally found out that the Cascade I was using in the dishwasher was the most likely culprit. I switched to the all natural cleaning products made by Melaleuca (aka The Wellness Company). Their dishwasher formula uses half the amount as with the "name brands" and doesn't leave the toxic residue on my canning jars and dishes. I hate that I was feeding my family off those dishes for so long!! Now my kefir grains don't die... that's pretty clear evidence to me that this is a healthier alternative!! By the way, the price is comperable to buying Cascade at Wal-Mart. On 12/10/06, Dollie Cain <dolliecainsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Reading the thread when yall say toxic what exactly are you referring to? Is there some sort of residue that stays on the dishes that is toxic to humans afterwards? Please clarify. Sometimes with all that I read here I wonder why I even bother to step out of my front door because something is just waiting to take me down from my dishwasher detergent to my government. I wonder if a study has ever been done on folks who go the extra extra extra miles to do everything through nourishing tradition or weston price for example if they live alot longer. Or is their quality of life so much better. Just from what I have gathered here most struggle with money, and most are not appreciated when they try to help others. Nobody shoot me just thinking outloud. Brittanymar_yany2 wrote: I have Sally Fallon's book Nourishing Traditions and in it she says dishwasher powder is very poisonous and you should wash dishes by hand if someone in your household is very sick. I never got a dishwasher until my four children were grown up and on their own so when I finally got one I just loved it! Now I have this nagging feeling that maybe the dishwasher isn't such a great thing. I would sure hate to give it up. Would like to hear what other people think. I know this is off topic but there seems to be a lot of Nourishing Traditions fans in this group. Besides, I wash my separator parts in the dishwasher so I guess I can say it is appropriate here. . -- in Oklahoma Concharty English Shepherds http://www.concharty.comAll Natural Cleaning & Personal Care Products - ask me for more info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 You can use borax or a couple drops of essential oil of lemon in your dishwasher. Trader Joes has a natural type cleaner if you live near one of their stores. Ellen from IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 I use Ecover dishwasher tablets in my dishwasher and the Ecover dish soap to hand wash. I get mine through an Organic coop but I've seen them at Whole Foods. a Re: Re:Nourishing Traditions You can use borax or a couple drops of essential oil of lemon in your dishwasher. Trader Joes has a natural type cleaner if you live near one of their stores. Ellen from IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 I use Borax and I think it was Sally that suggested it. Belinda > I have Sally Fallon's book Nourishing Traditions and in it she says dishwasher powder is very > poisonous and you should wash dishes by hand if someone in your household is very sick. I > never got a dishwasher until my four children were grown up and on their own so when I > finally got one I just loved it! Now I have this nagging feeling that maybe the dishwasher isn't > such a great thing. I would sure hate to give it up. Would like to hear what other people > think. I know this is off topic but there seems to be a lot of Nourishing Traditions fans in this > group. Besides, I wash my separator parts in the dishwasher so I guess I can say it is > appropriate here. > > Yany > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 It is under Melaleuca. www.melaleuca.com There are two sets of prices shown on the web site. One for the " general public " and one for preferred customers. Let me know if you need more info. TY I will look that up. Is it under the wellness company? Brittany Cline <karen.clinegmail> wrote: Dollie, I understand your frustration, but we do have to eliminate what health problems we can. Just look at all the people who have diseases that never existed a generation ago!! I don't have studies, but I have a real life example for you. I kept trying to make kefir but my grains kept dying. I could not figure it out. They'd turn a funky pink color and then putrify. I finally found out that the Cascade I was using in the dishwasher was the most likely culprit. I switched to the all natural cleaning products made by Melaleuca (aka The Wellness Company). Their dishwasher formula uses half the amount as with the " name brands " and doesn't leave the toxic residue on my canning jars and dishes. I hate that I was feeding my family off those dishes for so long!! Now my kefir grains don't die... that's pretty clear evidence to me that this is a healthier alternative!! By the way, the price is comperable to buying Cascade at Wal-Mart. On 12/10/06, Dollie Cain <dolliecain@... > wrote: Reading the thread when yall say toxic what exactly are you referring to? Is there some sort of residue that stays on the dishes that is toxic to humans afterwards? Please clarify. Sometimes with all that I read here I wonder why I even bother to step out of my front door because something is just waiting to take me down from my dishwasher detergent to my government. I wonder if a study has ever been done on folks who go the extra extra extra miles to do everything through nourishing tradition or weston price for example if they live alot longer. Or is their quality of life so much better. Just from what I have gathered here most struggle with money, and most are not appreciated when they try to help others. Nobody shoot me just thinking outloud. Brittanymar_yany2 wrote: I have Sally Fallon's book Nourishing Traditions and in it she says dishwasher powder is very poisonous and you should wash dishes by hand if someone in your household is very sick. I never got a dishwasher until my four children were grown up and on their own so when I finally got one I just loved it! Now I have this nagging feeling that maybe the dishwasher isn't such a great thing. I would sure hate to give it up. Would like to hear what other people think. I know this is off topic but there seems to be a lot of Nourishing Traditions fans in this group. Besides, I wash my separator parts in the dishwasher so I guess I can say it is appropriate here. .. -- in Oklahoma Concharty English Shepherds http://www.concharty.comAll Natural Cleaning & Personal Care Products - ask me for more info! -- in Oklahoma Concharty English Shepherds http://www.concharty.comAll Natural Cleaning & Personal Care Products - ask me for more info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Yany...for the time being I have recently stopped using my dishwasher because of that very reason. I read the same thing you did. The glasses were not coming out well anyway. I can remember when the kids were little and they would always rinse the clean glass out first before getting a drink of water . They always said the glasses smelled funny and thought they made the water taste funny. I think they put in a chemical which makes the glasses rinse better. So, for a while I'm going to see if I can wash everything by hand and use the dishwasher as a place to let the dishes drain Margiemar_yany2 wrote: I have Sally Fallon's book Nourishing Traditions and in it she says dishwasher powder is very poisonous and you should wash dishes by hand if someone in your household is very sick. I never got a dishwasher until my four children were grown up and on their own so when I finally got one I just loved it! Now I have this nagging feeling that maybe the dishwasher isn't such a great thing. I would sure hate to give it up. Would like to hear what other people think. I know this is off topic but there seems to be a lot of Nourishing Traditions fans in this group. Besides, I wash my separator parts in the dishwasher so I guess I can say it is appropriate here.Yany Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 We often use borax and baking soda mixed half in half. Rinse with vinegar too. *~*~* Jo & Pete *~*~* @ " Laudo Deum " Farm kinderfolk_n_liddlebuds@... Raising quality Kinder and Nigerian Dwarf goats for small acreage farmers, homesteaders and families with young children. (And producing natural soaps for humans and animals.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Vinegar in the place where you're supposed to put the chemical rinse stuff? Belinda > > We often use borax and baking soda mixed half in half. Rinse with > vinegar too. > *~*~* Jo & Pete *~*~* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 We make our own soap and I've actually been thinking of doing what my husband said they had in the army. A can with holes at the bottom, bar or two of lye soap in there and the water running through the can. That was dishwashing and it really sounds better than the crap we have in the stores, eh? Belinda > > Actually there is a lot of rumblings around Water Quality issues and the mainstream detergents so we probably should start examining different routes. What about handwashing. I seem to be going through a lot of dishsoap lately and it is awfully strong scented. I wash my milk pails in the sink then pour hot water over them. I don't like it if they still smell like lemons after rinsing etc. > Debbie Chikousky > Manitoba, Canada > gdchik@... > http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 > We often use borax and baking soda mixed half in half. Rinse with > vinegar too. > *~*~* Jo & Pete *~*~* > @ There's a recipe for homemade dishwasher detergent on this website (uses borax, baking soda, citric acid & salt): http://cookingnt.blogspot.com/2006/03/dishwasher-powder.html I haven't tried it, but plan to. I've found that if I put the detergent in the pre-wash cup only, the dishes still come out clean. The little bit of time with the detergent is enough to get the grease off, and the hot water does the rest of the work. I feel better about using the dishwasher with commercial soap if the dishes are effectively rinsed twice by using it that way. I have a 'soap box' (sorry, bad pun) about citric acid. I use it to make mozarella cheese. I posted this about citric acid on another list, here it is: All citric acid is not created equal. If the starting material for the citric acid contains protein, then a small amount of MSG will also be produced. In the US virtually all citric acid is made from corn, which does contain protein and therefore MSG. Citrus based (lemons, limes...) citric acid will not be contaminated with MSG because there is virtually no protein in lemons, etc. Here's a good article: http://www.westonaprice.org/msg/msgfree.html Mountain Rose Herbs sells a citrus based citric acid: http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/learn/citric-acid.php Frontier Natural Co-op doesn't specify on their web site what their citric acid is made from. But I sent email about a month ago and asked, and the response was " Our citric acid is derived from lemons. " http://www.frontiercoop.com/ I got my 1st order from Mountain Rose Herbs last week, and will definitely order from them again. 5 lbs of citric acid is probably 5+ cups. all the best, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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