Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Amie- First, I would back off to once every three days. If his negative symptoms continue, I would stop the MB12. My son was unable to tolerate MB12. I wish we would have stopped sooner - we put him through such a rough time. We later found out that he is an over- methylator, and should only take hydroxy b12. We haven't tried it yet. > > Reaction to MB12 12.5/FA 1/ML nasal from Hopewell, 1x per day in a.m., > now on day 3. Glazed eyes, trembling hands, minimal eye contact, > significant loss of focus. A completely changed person for the worse. > Wears off by evening. He likes the red stuff coming out of his nose > but says that it makes him feel terrible and he can't remember things > on it -- has never said that about any supplement or procedure before. > Have searched archives, but this doesn't sound like die off or > hyperactivity. 9 year old boy -- not ASD but has GI, sensory, > pragmatics and minimum ADD (not enough to get a diagnosis) -- tons of > IGE allergies -- food, envir., chemical. Thoughts please. We are > discontinuing until the weekend. Thank you. Amie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Amie- First, I would back off to once every three days. If his negative symptoms continue, I would stop the MB12. My son was unable to tolerate MB12. I wish we would have stopped sooner - we put him through such a rough time. We later found out that he is an over- methylator, and should only take hydroxy b12. We haven't tried it yet. > > Reaction to MB12 12.5/FA 1/ML nasal from Hopewell, 1x per day in a.m., > now on day 3. Glazed eyes, trembling hands, minimal eye contact, > significant loss of focus. A completely changed person for the worse. > Wears off by evening. He likes the red stuff coming out of his nose > but says that it makes him feel terrible and he can't remember things > on it -- has never said that about any supplement or procedure before. > Have searched archives, but this doesn't sound like die off or > hyperactivity. 9 year old boy -- not ASD but has GI, sensory, > pragmatics and minimum ADD (not enough to get a diagnosis) -- tons of > IGE allergies -- food, envir., chemical. Thoughts please. We are > discontinuing until the weekend. Thank you. Amie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I would definitely try lowering the dose or discontinuing. Listen to your son, he knows how it makes him feel. Another consideration is to switch to HB12 and see if that works better.CherylReaction to MB12 12.5/FA 1/ML nasal from Hopewell, 1x per day in a.m.,now on day 3. Glazed eyes, trembling hands, minimal eye contact,significant loss of focus. A completely changed person for the worse.Wears off by evening. He likes the red stuff coming out of his nosebut says that it makes him feel terrible and he can't remember thingson it -- has never said that about any supplement or procedure before.Have searched archives, but this doesn't sound like die off orhyperactivity. 9 year old boy -- not ASD but has GI, sensory,pragmatics and minimum ADD (not enough to get a diagnosis) -- tons ofIGE allergies -- food, envir., chemical. Thoughts please. We arediscontinuing until the weekend. Thank you. Amie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Amie it seems as though your son might be better off if you pull the B- 12 for now. Any form. For my son those were inflammation issues. Take a look at the miasm Medorrhinum. Did he sleep with his legs in his chest as an infant/ toddler? Then there would be the measles sitting under that causing the GI problems. I would get your basic DAN or Yasko supplementation on board, treat the miasm. Then see what comes up from below and before you treat that layer make sure you have enough anti-viral, anti-fungal and immune supports, sulphur supports going so that when you up the methylation (B- 12) you have the wherwithal in place to escort the viruses out. Right now it looks like the sulphur chemistry is broken therefore your son lacks the ability to process the B-12. In fact giving him the B-12 now will create more problems down the line as it will unleash those viruses and you will run the rick of greater harm from the viral replication. Its what happened to us, don't do it. HTH Gayatri > > Reaction to MB12 12.5/FA 1/ML nasal from Hopewell, 1x per day in a.m., > now on day 3. Glazed eyes, trembling hands, minimal eye contact, > significant loss of focus. A completely changed person for the worse. > Wears off by evening. He likes the red stuff coming out of his nose > but says that it makes him feel terrible and he can't remember things > on it -- has never said that about any supplement or procedure before. > Have searched archives, but this doesn't sound like die off or > hyperactivity. 9 year old boy -- not ASD but has GI, sensory, > pragmatics and minimum ADD (not enough to get a diagnosis) -- tons of > IGE allergies -- food, envir., chemical. Thoughts please. We are > discontinuing until the weekend. Thank you. Amie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hi, Thanks for your thoughts. > First, I would back off to once every three days. If his negative > symptoms continue, I would stop the MB12. My son was unable to > tolerate MB12. I wish we would have stopped sooner - we put him > through such a rough time. We later found out that he is an over- > methylator, and should only take hydroxy b12. We haven't tried it yet. Where is the best place to learn more about Hydroxy B12? What would I look for in standard DAN tests to point to being an over-methylator (I have descriptions of an over/under methylators --but what tests determine it) -- or is that something that would best be done with Yasko? Also, is there a DAN equivalent to the Yasko GAR that would tell me if the hydroxy B12 is right for my son? Thanks, Amie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 > > Amie it seems as though your son might be better off if you pull the B- > 12 for now. Any form. For my son those were inflammation issues. Take a > look at the miasm Medorrhinum. Did he sleep with his legs in his chest > as an infant/ toddler? Then there would be the measles sitting under > that causing the GI problems. Hi -- Thanks for your thoughts. We are not going to give him the B-12 anymore, will look into other forms in the future. Miasm Medorrhinum is of interest -- we started DAN supplementation, enhancing his immune system, and B-12 nasal spray to help my son with his severe allergies/excess mucous -- and to stop him from itching his legs (he's not even aware that he is doing it excessively and draws his legs up to his chest to do it). So whereas he was a tummy sleeper, we do have that negative behavior now, which we have been thinking is a allergic/chemical sensitivity response. Where do I need to back up to in order to start addressing this? Where is a good place to start learning about " sulphur chemistries. " Thank you! Amie > I would get your basic DAN or Yasko supplementation on board, treat the > miasm. Then see what comes up from below and before you treat that > layer make sure you have enough anti-viral, anti-fungal and immune > supports, sulphur supports going so that when you up the methylation (B- > 12) you have the wherwithal in place to escort the viruses out. > > Right now it looks like the sulphur chemistry is broken therefore your > son lacks the ability to process the B-12. In fact giving him the B-12 > now will create more problems down the line as it will unleash those > viruses and you will run the rick of greater harm from the viral > replication. Its what happened to us, don't do it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I would stop right away. Perhaps,you got a bad batch. --- lohseroad1 wrote: > Reaction to MB12 12.5/FA 1/ML nasal from Hopewell, > 1x per day in a.m., > now on day 3. Glazed eyes, trembling hands, minimal > eye contact, > significant loss of focus. A completely changed > person for the worse. > Wears off by evening. He likes the red stuff coming > out of his nose > but says that it makes him feel terrible and he > can't remember things > on it -- has never said that about any supplement or > procedure before. > Have searched archives, but this doesn't sound like > die off or > hyperactivity. 9 year old boy -- not ASD but has GI, > sensory, > pragmatics and minimum ADD (not enough to get a > diagnosis) -- tons of > IGE allergies -- food, envir., chemical. Thoughts > please. We are > discontinuing until the weekend. Thank you. Amie > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hi, Stan is currently working on developing a vita-lollipop containing MB12 and other vitamins. Tested one out on yesterday at his presentation at Hand & Hand, very interesting to say the least. I think it might be a big hit once he perfects it. Thanks. lohseroad1 wrote: >> Amie it seems as though your son might be better off if you pull the B-> 12 for now. Any form. For my son those were inflammation issues. Take a > look at the miasm Medorrhinum. Did he sleep with his legs in his chest > as an infant/ toddler? Then there would be the measles sitting under > that causing the GI problems. Hi -- Thanks for your thoughts. We are not going to give him the B-12anymore, will look into other forms in the future. Miasm Medorrhinumis of interest -- we started DAN supplementation, enhancing his immunesystem, and B-12 nasal spray to help my son with his severeallergies/excess mucous -- and to stop him from itching his legs (he'snot even aware that he is doing it excessively and draws his legs upto his chest to do it). So whereas he was a tummy sleeper, we do havethat negative behavior now, which we have been thinking is aallergic/chemical sensitivity response.Where do I need to back up to in order to start addressing this? Whereis a good place to start learning about "sulphur chemistries." Thank you!Amie> I would get your basic DAN or Yasko supplementation on board, treat the > miasm. Then see what comes up from below and before you treat that > layer make sure you have enough anti-viral, anti-fungal and immune > supports, sulphur supports going so that when you up the methylation (B-> 12) you have the wherwithal in place to escort the viruses out. > > Right now it looks like the sulphur chemistry is broken therefore your > son lacks the ability to process the B-12. In fact giving him the B-12 > now will create more problems down the line as it will unleash those > viruses and you will run the rick of greater harm from the viral > replication. Its what happened to us, don't do it.> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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