Re: Can an Autistic student be legaly denied Speech Therapy?

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Sorry to hear about what happened. When you say you were denied speech

services who was going to be implementing/teaching PECS system?

I am actually a speech therapist myself. I don't know your child but

don't think I would have worded things to you in that way.If your

child is non-verbal I too probably would have talked about

implementing a PECS system-to facilitate communication for your child,

especially if your child gets frustrated trying to communicate

wants/needs. I always do pair PECS with verbal prompts. I work on

initials sounds, approximations of the word providing them a direct

model of word, phrase etc. I want to make sure that they have an

effective way to communicate.

I also agree with what your principal recommended. looking at an

augmentative device with verbal output is a great resource. Your child

would have a constant model of word/phrase.

Not sure where you live but you might want to pursue more with regards

to that particular speech therapist and her comments.

Good luck

In mb12 valtrex , " Zurama " wrote:

>

> Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and asked for

> more speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had since

> December were taken off too. The speech therapist had been replaced

> over the holidays.

>

> I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the window of

> opportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and that

> she was going to implement a pecs program for him instead.

>

> She repeated that the window was closed several time until I had to

> finally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don't

> tolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jump

> across the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down my face.

>

> She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant bi.....

>

> The county principal suggested that a communication device be ordered

> for Mickie so that he can push on the inon of the activity he wanst

> and a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an opportunity to

> hear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,

> said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and that's

> when I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide Mickie's

> teacher with the device anyway.

>

> Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of speech?

>

> Zurama

>

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Two suggestions:Request an Independent Eval at the school's expense.  Go with the principle and get the AC device.  If we are now looking at the possibility that he will not have much verbal communication in his life, then he needs to become familiar with something he will be able to use for the rest of his life.  PECS is great but not something he'll be using his entire life, too inconvenient to lug around a book and book full of pictures that most of the general population has no idea what are supposed to mean.  I definitely don't discourage using it but using an AC device at the same time would be the way to go.  Sounds like the principle is on your side so that's a plus.That SLP sucks.  I'd put it in a complaint and did you record the IEP?  Hire an advocate or attorney if you need to in order to get the Independent Eval.  I wouldn't trust this slp as far as I could throw her.  Especially since she doesn't even know how to be sensitive to your feelings.cherylBecause he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and asked formore speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had sinceDecember were taken off too. The speech therapist had been replacedover the holidays.I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the window ofopportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and thatshe was going to implement a pecs program for him instead. She repeated that the window was closed several time until I had tofinally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don'ttolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jumpacross the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down my face.She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant bi.....The county principal suggested that a communication device be orderedfor Mickie so that he can push on the inon of the activity he wanstand a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an opportunity tohear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and that'swhen I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide Mickie'steacher with the device anyway.Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of speech?Zurama

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My son is only 20/m old and not even close to having to deal with this type of thing yet, but just reading your post ... I would like to slap her myself. These are our CHILDREN!!! I dont believe anyone should ever give up on a childs potential. The brain is always growing till the day we die! We are always learning..autistic, learning disabled or not. I would push so hard to get what I thought would MOST help my child. Any good/great speach therapist would take this situation and find it a wonderful challenge. Just because he is 10 and non-verbal does not mean he cant be with the right program. I have heard pecs does help a child become verbal. I would not settle for just that though. Good luck and dont give up in

what you believe in.

Re: Can an Autistic student be legaly denied Speech Therapy?

Two suggestions:

Request an Independent Eval at the school's expense.

Go with the principle and get the AC device. If we are now looking at the possibility that he will not have much verbal communication in his life, then he needs to become familiar with something he will be able to use for the rest of his life. PECS is great but not something he'll be using his entire life, too inconvenient to lug around a book and book full of pictures that most of the general population has no idea what are supposed to mean. I definitely don't discourage using it but using an AC device at the same time would be the way to go. Sounds like the principle is on your side so that's a plus.

That SLP sucks. I'd put it in a complaint and did you record the IEP? Hire an advocate or attorney if you need to in order to get the Independent Eval. I wouldn't trust this slp as far as I could throw her. Especially since she doesn't even know how to be sensitive to your feelings.

cheryl

Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and asked formore speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had sinceDecember were taken off too. The speech therapist had been replacedover the holidays.I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the window ofopportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and thatshe was going to implement a pecs program for him instead. She repeated that the window was closed several time until I had tofinally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don'ttolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jumpacross the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down my face.She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant bi.....The county principal suggested that a communication device be orderedfor Mickie so that he can

push on the inon of the activity he wanstand a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an opportunity tohear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and that'swhen I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide Mickie'steacher with the device anyway.Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of speech?Zurama

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I'm in southern California. I agree with communication device and it

was included in the IEP. The Speech therapist was very negative and

arrogant. She does not want Mickie to have speech therapy. PECS only.

Why should he have one and not the other?

What should I pursue about the speech therapist wording. I was just

planning on asking the principal to keep her the heck away form

Mickie. What do you think?

Zurama

> >

> > Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and asked for

> > more speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had since

> > December were taken off too. The speech therapist had been replaced

> > over the holidays.

> >

> > I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the window of

> > opportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and that

> > she was going to implement a pecs program for him instead.

> >

> > She repeated that the window was closed several time until I had to

> > finally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don't

> > tolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jump

> > across the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down my face.

> >

> > She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant

bi.....

> >

> > The county principal suggested that a communication device be ordered

> > for Mickie so that he can push on the inon of the activity he wanst

> > and a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an opportunity to

> > hear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,

> > said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and that's

> > when I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide Mickie's

> > teacher with the device anyway.

> >

> > Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of speech?

> >

> > Zurama

> >

>

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Excactly!! I feel like the pecs is just so inconvenient. Why not sign

language? The AC device was signed into the IEP and the principal will

put in the order.

I will send her a thank you letter and will ask for an independent

evaluation.

I did not record the IEP. I didn't even invite his regional center

worker, because I thought it was going to be a pretty simple IEP. I

didn't expect it to turn into a full blown fight.

Zurama

>

> > Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and asked for

> > more speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had since

> > December were taken off too. The speech therapist had been replaced

> > over the holidays.

> >

> > I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the window of

> > opportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and that

> > she was going to implement a pecs program for him instead.

> >

> > She repeated that the window was closed several time until I had to

> > finally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don't

> > tolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jump

> > across the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down my face.

> >

> > She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant

> > bi.....

> >

> > The county principal suggested that a communication device be ordered

> > for Mickie so that he can push on the inon of the activity he wanst

> > and a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an opportunity to

> > hear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,

> > said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and that's

> > when I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide Mickie's

> > teacher with the device anyway.

> >

> > Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of speech?

> >

> > Zurama

> >

> >

> >

>

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Thank you for your support.

As she was talking I was picturing myself climbing on the table and

grabbing her by the neck. Instead I just felt like crying and could

not hold back the tears. I could kick myself now for not holding it

together!!

But that's okay.....I have lived to fight another day!!!!

Zurama

>

>

> Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and asked for

> more speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had since

> December were taken off too. The speech therapist had been replaced

> over the holidays.

>

> I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the window of

> opportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and that

> she was going to implement a pecs program for him instead.

>

> She repeated that the window was closed several time until I had to

> finally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don't

> tolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jump

> across the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down my face.

>

> She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant bi.....

>

> The county principal suggested that a communication device be ordered

> for Mickie so that he can push on the inon of the activity he wanst

> and a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an opportunity to

> hear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,

> said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and that's

> when I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide Mickie's

> teacher with the device anyway.

>

> Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of speech?

>

> Zurama

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Since you are getting the PECS and the AC device, you might want to make sure he's assigned a new SLP since someone will have to train him and you on how to use both.  You don't have to send your request for an Independent Eval to the SLP.  I would send it to the principal since you know you've got support there.  If you sent it to the SLP she may never forward the request on!cherylExcactly!! I feel like the pecs is just so inconvenient. Why not signlanguage? The AC device was signed into the IEP and the principal willput in the order.I will send her a thank you letter and will ask for an independentevaluation.I did not record the IEP. I didn't even invite his regional centerworker, because I thought it was going to be a pretty simple IEP. Ididn't expect it to turn into a full blown fight.Zurama> > > Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and asked for> > more speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had since> > December were taken off too. The speech therapist had been replaced> > over the holidays.> >> > I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the window of> > opportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and that> > she was going to implement a pecs program for him instead.> >> > She repeated that the window was closed several time until I had to> > finally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don't> > tolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jump> > across the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down my face.> >> > She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant > > bi.....> >> > The county principal suggested that a communication device be ordered> > for Mickie so that he can push on the inon of the activity he wanst> > and a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an opportunity to> > hear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,> > said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and that's> > when I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide Mickie's> > teacher with the device anyway.> >> > Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of speech?> >> > Zurama> >> >> >>

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Make sure you get the Prior Written Notice explaining

what they based their decision on, what was

considered, etc. wrightslaw has info on this also.

--- Zurama wrote:

> Excactly!! I feel like the pecs is just so

> inconvenient. Why not sign

> language? The AC device was signed into the IEP and

> the principal will

> put in the order.

>

> I will send her a thank you letter and will ask for

> an independent

> evaluation.

>

> I did not record the IEP. I didn't even invite his

> regional center

> worker, because I thought it was going to be a

> pretty simple IEP. I

> didn't expect it to turn into a full blown fight.

>

> Zurama

>

>

> >

> > > Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for

> Mickie today and asked for

> > > more speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a

> week he had since

> > > December were taken off too. The speech

> therapist had been replaced

> > > over the holidays.

> > >

> > > I was told by the speech therapist that since he

> is ten the window of

> > > opportunity was permanently closed and speech

> was pointless and that

> > > she was going to implement a pecs program for

> him instead.

> > >

> > > She repeated that the window was closed several

> time until I had to

> > > finally tell her to stop and not say another

> word, because I don't

> > > tolerate that kind of negative talk about

> Mickie. I wanted to jump

> > > across the table and strangle her, but instead

> tears ran down my face.

> > >

> > > She put the teacher and me down several times.

> What an arrogant

> > > bi.....

> > >

> > > The county principal suggested that a

> communication device be ordered

> > > for Mickie so that he can push on the inon of

> the activity he wanst

> > > and a recorded voice will say what it is, giving

> him an opportunity to

> > > hear spoken language along with the pecs and the

> speech therapist,

> > > said no to that too and proceeded to spew her

> negative crap and that's

> > > when I told her to stop. The principal said she

> would provide Mickie's

> > > teacher with the device anyway.

> > >

> > > Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds

> for denial of speech?

> > >

> > > Zurama

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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I have 2 comments about sign language. I have had students that

parents have requested sign language. Things to keep in mind-what are

your childs fine motor skills like? If they are not able to sign

consistently then it is difficult to know what they are

saying/requesting.

As well-being out in the community-not everyone knows sign language.

Let's say for example-when your child was older and they were at a

restaurant-ordering food. Would the server understand sign language

or would an augmentative device that your child could press _I want

hamburger and fries be more independent for him. Yes they would have

to carry a device around but I think they are more independent.

In mb12 valtrex , Cheryl Lowrance

wrote:

>

> Two suggestions:

>

> Request an Independent Eval at the school's expense.

>

> Go with the principle and get the AC device. If we are now

looking

> at the possibility that he will not have much verbal communication

in

> his life, then he needs to become familiar with something he will

be

> able to use for the rest of his life. PECS is great but not

> something he'll be using his entire life, too inconvenient to lug

> around a book and book full of pictures that most of the general

> population has no idea what are supposed to mean. I definitely

don't

> discourage using it but using an AC device at the same time would

be

> the way to go. Sounds like the principle is on your side so that's

a

> plus.

>

> That SLP sucks. I'd put it in a complaint and did you record the

> IEP? Hire an advocate or attorney if you need to in order to get

the

> Independent Eval. I wouldn't trust this slp as far as I could

throw

> her. Especially since she doesn't even know how to be sensitive

to

> your feelings.

>

> cheryl

>

>

>

> > Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and

asked for

> > more speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had since

> > December were taken off too. The speech therapist had been

replaced

> > over the holidays.

> >

> > I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the

window of

> > opportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and

that

> > she was going to implement a pecs program for him instead.

> >

> > She repeated that the window was closed several time until I had

to

> > finally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don't

> > tolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jump

> > across the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down my

face.

> >

> > She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant

> > bi.....

> >

> > The county principal suggested that a communication device be

ordered

> > for Mickie so that he can push on the inon of the activity he

wanst

> > and a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an

opportunity to

> > hear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,

> > said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and

that's

> > when I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide

Mickie's

> > teacher with the device anyway.

> >

> > Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of

speech?

> >

> > Zurama

> >

> >

> >

>

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Zurama, We went through the same thing with my son (then 9 yo), and moved from southwest to west suburb & turned out these public schools are backing each other all the time. This school distr204(everyone claim they are the best in IL) just continued what the previous school distr had implement, believe word for word whats on his IEP without a question. Can anyone tell me where are the good schools for kids like ours? School staff care only about their paycheck.Zurama wrote: Thank you for your support. As she was talking I was picturing myself climbing on the table andgrabbing her by the neck. Instead I just felt like crying and couldnot hold back the tears. I could kick myself now for not holding ittogether!!But that's okay.....I have lived to fight another day!!!!Zurama> > > Because he is

none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and asked for> more speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had since> December were taken off too. The speech therapist had been replaced> over the holidays.> > I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the window of> opportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and that> she was going to implement a pecs program for him instead. > > She repeated that the window was closed several time until I had to> finally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don't> tolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jump> across the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down my face.> > She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant bi.....> > The county principal suggested that a communication device be ordered> for Mickie so that he

can push on the inon of the activity he wanst> and a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an opportunity to> hear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,> said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and that's> when I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide Mickie's> teacher with the device anyway.> > Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of speech?> > Zurama> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs>

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I would like to say we live on Long Island,(New York) and my son is 4 1/2 and we are given whatever services we ask for at this point. There has never been a fight, or an argument. He has 40 hrs ABA, 90 mins speech 90mins OT and PT per week, no question. We are very happy at this point.

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We tried those communication devices for my son who was four at the time. They were a waste of time. He didn't know or care how to use them and would stim off the buttons by pressing them over and over and over. You can record your own voice into them to make some of them say things like, "I want a drink" or whatever. We are having much better luck with signing. Carrying the device around is not something I wanted to deal with...taking it wherever you go is even more inconvenient than it sounds.

Re: Can an Autistic student be legaly denied Speech Therapy?

Thank you for your support. As she was talking I was picturing myself climbing on the table andgrabbing her by the neck. Instead I just felt like crying and couldnot hold back the tears. I could kick myself now for not holding ittogether!!But that's okay.....I have lived to fight another day!!!!Zurama> > > Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and asked for> more speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had since> December were taken off too. The speech therapist had been replaced> over the holidays.> > I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the window of> opportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and that> she was going to implement a pecs program for him instead. > > She repeated that the window was closed several time until I had to> finally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don't> tolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jump> across the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down my face.> > She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant bi.....> > The county principal suggested that a communication device be ordered> for Mickie so that he can push on the inon of the activity he wanst> and a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an opportunity to> hear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,> said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and that's> when I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide Mickie's> teacher with the device anyway.> > Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of speech?> > Zurama> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs>

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I think the AC device might be too much for a 4 year old.  Most of the kids that get one don't get one until they are older, as far as I know.  I don't know, maybe there are a lot of 4 yo's with an AC device but everyone I've ever met with one didn't get it until later.CherylWe tried those communication devices for my son who was four at the time.  They were a waste of time. He didn't know or care how to use them and would stim off the buttons by pressing them over and over and over.  You can record your own voice into them to make some of them say things like, "I want a drink"  or whatever.  We are having much better luck with signing. Carrying the device around is not something I wanted to deal with...taking it wherever you go is even more inconvenient than it sounds.    Re: Can an Autistic student be legaly denied Speech Therapy?Thank you for your support. As she was talking I was picturing myself climbing on the table andgrabbing her by the neck. Instead I just felt like crying and couldnot hold back the tears. I could kick myself now for not holding ittogether!!But that's okay.....I have lived to fight another day!!!!Zurama> > > Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and asked for> more speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had since> December were taken off too. The speech therapist had been replaced> over the holidays.> > I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the window of> opportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and that> she was going to implement a pecs program for him instead. > > She repeated that the window was closed several time until I had to> finally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don't> tolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jump> across the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down my face.> > She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant bi.....> > The county principal suggested that a communication device be ordered> for Mickie so that he can push on the inon of the activity he wanst> and a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an opportunity to> hear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,> said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and that's> when I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide Mickie's> teacher with the device anyway.> > Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of speech?> > Zurama> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs>

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I have a non-verbal son and I use a combination approach (using Sign &

PECs in more controlled settings, and are beginning to teach yes/no).

I think that the mode of communciation needs to fit the context.

What's going to get the point across in the easiest (my kiddo takes the

path of least resistance) and quickest way. My IEP team - including

his SLPs seem to agree with this approach. We just got a Dynamic

Display device to replace the PECs to use in the controlled settings.

And, back to the original question - IMO a SLP needs to be involved

with any kid using PECs, sign or AC Device in order to practice and

guide the use. Just because a kid is non-verbal does not mean he

doesn't need Speech. My theory has always been that SLPs have been in

schools for a long time and " back then " they worked on pronunciation,

grammer and things like that - however, all the kids they worked with

were verbal. Things are much different now with Special Ed students

attending school - so, there's a whole different SLP approach that

needs to be used.

Just my 2 cents.

Laureen

Quoting Cheryl Lowrance :

> I think the AC device might be too much for a 4 year old. Most of

> the kids that get one don't get one until they are older, as far as I

> know. I don't know, maybe there are a lot of 4 yo's with an AC

> device but everyone I've ever met with one didn't get it until later.

>

> Cheryl

>

>

>

>>

>> We tried those communication devices for my son who was four at the

>> time. They were a waste of time. He didn't know or care how to use

>> them and would stim off the buttons by pressing them over and over

>> and over. You can record your own voice into them to make some of

>> them say things like, " I want a drink " or whatever. We are having

>> much better luck with signing. Carrying the device around is not

>> something I wanted to deal with...taking it wherever you go is even

>> more inconvenient than it sounds.

>>

>>

>> Re: Can an Autistic student be legaly denied

>> Speech Therapy?

>>

>> Thank you for your support.

>>

>> As she was talking I was picturing myself climbing on the table and

>> grabbing her by the neck. Instead I just felt like crying and could

>> not hold back the tears. I could kick myself now for not holding it

>> together!!

>>

>> But that's okay.....I have lived to fight another day!!!!

>>

>> Zurama

>>

>>

>> >

>> >

>> > Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and asked for

>> > more speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had since

>> > December were taken off too. The speech therapist had been replaced

>> > over the holidays.

>> >

>> > I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the window of

>> > opportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and that

>> > she was going to implement a pecs program for him instead.

>> >

>> > She repeated that the window was closed several time until I had to

>> > finally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don't

>> > tolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jump

>> > across the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down my face.

>> >

>> > She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant bi.....

>> >

>> > The county principal suggested that a communication device be ordered

>> > for Mickie so that he can push on the inon of the activity he wanst

>> > and a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an opportunity to

>> > hear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,

>> > said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and that's

>> > when I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide Mickie's

>> > teacher with the device anyway.

>> >

>> > Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of speech?

>> >

>> > Zurama

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

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I've just become aware of how many bald faced lies the Washington elementary school district here in Phoenix AZ, headed by and Amy Hyman, put in my son's IEP at the end of last year when they didn't need my signature on the page. The people running public schools are disgusting sub human crap. I'm a peaceful person, but I'm beginning to hate these people and I'm considering a personal lawsuit for "Intentional infliction of emotional distress". Do you think personally suing for their personal possessions might affect change in the US? Even losing might scare these sadistic freaks into quitting or even doing what they're supposed to do ... which is help, not hinder our kids.whaddya think?pb

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Zurama,

You need to get a good book about how to advocate

for your child in the IEP process. I have an

excellent one called The Complete IEP Guide. You

can also look online for this information.

During an IEP, you are a member of equal standing

in the team. If anyone in the team doesn't agree

with the IEP, they don't have to sign it. This

includes you. If you've already signed it, you

can request a new IEP meeting. You can also

request that Mickie be evaluated by another

speech therapist at the school's expense.

Someone else already made the last suggestion,

but I just wanted to point out that this is your

RIGHT, not just something you might ask for and

hope the school complies with.

When dealing with these situations, it's always

best to try to keep a cordial relationship with

everyone. After all, these are the people who

will be with your child day in and day out.

However, if the school will not work with you, or

won't give services you feel are in your child's

best interests, then, by all means, ramp it up a

notch.

Sometimes, just saying " well I'm not going to

sign this (IEP), I'm going to let my lawyer look

at it " is enough to light a fire under the

school. Another important phrase is " I feel

(blank) therapy will help my child's cognitive

development, or help them educationally. " Never

say that (blank) therapy is the best, and

therefore you want it for your child. The school

is only legally obligated to provide therapies

that are educationally relavant, but this is a

grey area. I would say that the purpose of

education is to bring an individual to their full

potential, and therefore speech is an important

component of that.

Just keep in mind;

1. The school isn't going to tell you everything

they must do for you. You'll have to figure this

out yourself.

2. You are a full member of the team and they

can't go forward without you. Also, your

suggestions for Mickie's therpies have as much

weight as anyone else's at the meeting.

3. You can challenge the school's decision, you

don't just have to accept it.

4. You are Mickie's best advocate. You know him

best and know what he needs. Make sure he gets

it!

Good Luck,

Kim

--- Zurama wrote:

> I'm in southern California. I agree with

> communication device and it

> was included in the IEP. The Speech therapist

> was very negative and

> arrogant. She does not want Mickie to have

> speech therapy. PECS only.

> Why should he have one and not the other?

>

> What should I pursue about the speech therapist

> wording. I was just

> planning on asking the principal to keep her

> the heck away form

> Mickie. What do you think?

>

> Zurama

>

>

> > >

> > > Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for

> Mickie today and asked for

> > > more speech and was denied and the 10

> minutes a week he had since

> > > December were taken off too. The speech

> therapist had been replaced

> > > over the holidays.

> > >

> > > I was told by the speech therapist that

> since he is ten the window of

> > > opportunity was permanently closed and

> speech was pointless and that

> > > she was going to implement a pecs program

> for him instead.

> > >

> > > She repeated that the window was closed

> several time until I had to

> > > finally tell her to stop and not say

> another word, because I don't

> > > tolerate that kind of negative talk about

> Mickie. I wanted to jump

> > > across the table and strangle her, but

> instead tears ran down my face.

> > >

> > > She put the teacher and me down several

> times. What an arrogant

> bi.....

> > >

> > > The county principal suggested that a

> communication device be ordered

> > > for Mickie so that he can push on the inon

> of the activity he wanst

> > > and a recorded voice will say what it is,

> giving him an opportunity to

> > > hear spoken language along with the pecs

> and the speech therapist,

> > > said no to that too and proceeded to spew

> her negative crap and that's

> > > when I told her to stop. The principal said

> she would provide Mickie's

> > > teacher with the device anyway.

> > >

> > > Can they do this? Being none verbal is

> grounds for denial of speech?

> > >

> > > Zurama

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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I almost have the letter ready to mail. I am sending it to the

principal with copy to the teacher and the superintendent of schools.

I spoke to the principal yesterday and I thanked her for her input and

I told her that I did not want Ms. Robins to work with Mickie.

I don't know who that will work out, since she is only a consultant.

She tells the teacher what to do and the teacher and his 1 on 1 aid

implement it, but the last thing I need is his teacher stressed out by

her. She was put down by the SP three times during the meeting. She

wants to keep her job, so she didn't defend herself. Should I say

anything about that in the letter or should I leave it alone?

Zurama

> > >

> > > > Because he is none-verbal? I had an IEP for Mickie today and

> > asked for

> > > > more speech and was denied and the 10 minutes a week he had since

> > > > December were taken off too. The speech therapist had been

> > replaced

> > > > over the holidays.

> > > >

> > > > I was told by the speech therapist that since he is ten the

> > window of

> > > > opportunity was permanently closed and speech was pointless and

> > that

> > > > she was going to implement a pecs program for him instead.

> > > >

> > > > She repeated that the window was closed several time until I

> > had to

> > > > finally tell her to stop and not say another word, because I don't

> > > > tolerate that kind of negative talk about Mickie. I wanted to jump

> > > > across the table and strangle her, but instead tears ran down

> > my face.

> > > >

> > > > She put the teacher and me down several times. What an arrogant

> > > > bi.....

> > > >

> > > > The county principal suggested that a communication device be

> > ordered

> > > > for Mickie so that he can push on the inon of the activity he

> > wanst

> > > > and a recorded voice will say what it is, giving him an

> > opportunity to

> > > > hear spoken language along with the pecs and the speech therapist,

> > > > said no to that too and proceeded to spew her negative crap and

> > that's

> > > > when I told her to stop. The principal said she would provide

> > Mickie's

> > > > teacher with the device anyway.

> > > >

> > > > Can they do this? Being none verbal is grounds for denial of

> > speech?

> > > >

> > > > Zurama

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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I'm in California. San Bernardino County to be specific.

Zurama

>

> What on earth.....what state are you in?

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