Re:Request opinion of another rife unit

[Guest guest]

Has anyone in this group looked into the ONDAMED out of germany? I went to the

symposium in Dallas Tx a few weeks ago. Burton Goldberg was there. They are

having a big USA symposium in NY in Oct with sinatra, kessler etc very big names

in alt med as speakers/endorsers. The co says its not rife but it sure sounds

like it. Awesome unit but 23,000$ I am very interested in buying one for my PT

practice. Would like opinions of freq. experts on this sight. www.ondamed.net

NDwanabe

[sPAM] Re: Super Regenerative Mixing Circuts

,

I must agree with you on this one. The reason we want to duplicate the

super-regenerative mixing circuit is because it appears to be the reason

why Rife's instruments worked. The audio frequencies we use today don't

devitalize any organisms under microscope observation. Dr. Stafford, who

used the AZ-58 in the 1950's, couldn't get these audio frequencies to

kill any of the organisms they are supposed to devitalize. Even today

others have tested them with the same results. It appears that the audio

frequencies we use today which Rife, Crane and Marsh used in the 1950's

were derived from the audio frequencies that were used by Rife in the

super-regenerative mixing circuit. Most people today do not understand

that all of Rife's lab note frequencies are only ball park numbers

because of the inaccuracy of Rife's earlier instruments. These were

M.O.P.A. designs and could wander + or - 40,000 hertz. The AZ-58 which

was built in the 1950's had this very problem as did all of Rife's

instruments. Ben Cullen, one of Rife's close friends, talked about this

problem on the Rife CDs. He mentioned how Rife had a hard time coming

back to the same frequency which killed an organism. The

super-regenerative mixing circuit appears to have solved this problem

for Rife by creating as many side band frequencies as were needed in

order to hit the M.O.R. frequency even with the inaccuracies of the

equipment Rife was using.

We know Rife was using high RF frequencies to kill the organisms and the

audio frequencies were used only to create sidebands. But, if this type

of circuit was used for just audio frequencies it would be far superior

to square wave because it can produce far more octave step frequencies

than a square wave. If for no other reason, we should pursue this type

of circuit because this old type of circuit is far ahead of anything we

are using today, contrary to what has been said.

No one has yet been able to duplicate what Rife did. Soon this type of

circuit will be available.

Best wishes

Jeff

> > Just a thought:

> >

> > Why on earth would you want to duplicate the Rife science of the

past when today's Rife-Work has surpassed his by leaps and bounds. It

really is time for us to take fresh looks at all parts of the old, and

realise that Royal Rife's work was foundational, critical, and the

impetus of our movement today but ... it is passe'

> >

>

>

> With all due respect, it's premature for you to be making such

> assertions. What concrete evidence do you have to support this claim?

> If I understand correctly, you haven't even published the results of

> your research yet. I also don't recall you presenting any video

> microscopy of pathogenic bacteria and viruses being destroyed. So, how

> is it that " today's Rife-Work " , which you are presumably doing, is

leaps

> and bounds ahead of Rife, and his work is passe? I've heard these

> claims made before, but I haven't seen any real evidence to support

> them. The reality is that there is very little real " Rife " research

> being conducted. Also, you would need to duplicate Rife's foundational

> work first, so that you would have the solid grounding to make your

> leaps and bounds ahead of him. Your claims are meaningless without

> doing so, and ultimately do a disservice to the " Rife " community.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

it is a good machine as is the bicom 2000 made in germany too.

i think there is a dr. on the lyme-and-rife the uses them.

roger

PT wrote:

Has anyone in this group looked into the ONDAMED out of germany? I

went to the symposium in Dallas Tx a few weeks ago. Burton Goldberg was there.

They are having a big USA symposium in NY in Oct with sinatra, kessler etc very

big names in alt med as speakers/endorsers. The co says its not rife but it sure

sounds like it. Awesome unit but 23,000$ I am very interested in buying one for

my PT practice. Would like opinions of freq. experts on this sight.

www.ondamed.net

NDwanabe

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave, the Ondamed looks like a pulse reader and function genertor. $23k

is abit overboard for this.

I think Mike from TrueRife.com offers much the same for $3k, save the $20k.

And you get a top level RIFE machine thrown in, although Mike use GSR, not

pulse :-)

Regards,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

FreX - CHIamp

Re: Re:Request opinion of another " rife " unit

> Sounds a lot like a mixture of rife, with some QXCI and radionics thrown

> in. Expensive, on the other hand, the Germans have a lot to offer and

> they don't have an FDA dedicated to protecting their drug industry at

> the expense of anything else. Certainly looks good and the testimonials

> are good, any way to check some of the references personally?

> - Dave

>

> PT wrote:

>

>>Has anyone in this group looked into the ONDAMED out of germany? I went to

>>the symposium in Dallas Tx a few weeks ago. Burton Goldberg was there.

>>They are having a big USA symposium in NY in Oct with sinatra, kessler etc

>>very big names in alt med as speakers/endorsers. The co says its not rife

>>but it sure sounds like it. Awesome unit but 23,000$ I am very interested

>>in buying one for my PT practice. Would like opinions of freq. experts on

>>this sight. www.ondamed.net

>>NDwanabe

>>

[Guest guest]

>

> Has anyone in this group looked into the ONDAMED out of germany?

-- Several years ago, I had the privilege of being treated with

ONDAMED while in Germany. From my experience, and that of my family, I

would have to say I think the effectiveness of it might depend on the

practitioner, although of course, I don't know that for sure. My reason

for thinking it may is this: All of us in my family were diagnosed and

treated (Ondamed) for issues of the " psyche " and never did see or feel

any improvement from the Ondamed in the symptoms that caused us to seek

that particular doctor's care. A few years later, we were diagnosed

with having late-stages Lyme disease and several co-infectors, which I

believe was a correct diagnosis as we began seeing improvement soon

after beginning treatment for those conditions. Symptoms that were

evident at the time of our visits to the doctor and had been quite

obvious in our lives, at that point, for over 10 years.

Even though borrelia was recognized in Germany at that time, this

particular doctor did not recognize it. Whether that was a mistake on

the part of the machine or of the interpreter, I don't know.

[Guest guest]

Well, it's great they have the German authorities' approval, but all

this proves is that the machine won't electrocute you and that it has

some positive medical benefit, however limited.

I looked at some length at their web site and it is problematical. For

instance, folks who genuinely try to inform, instead of to mystify,

would post on the website the User's Manual (this is hardly

proprietary information, since every buyer will get it, but it does

allow you to get some better feel of how the unit works in practice.).

Yet even such basic information is withheld.

Even more problematic is the quality of the information that is given,

on both the principles and the success stories. At first, it seems

like they have assembled an impressive list of medical documents. But

then when you pull them down and read them, you find out that:

--nowhere do they give much technical information on how the machine works

--there seems to be a paucity of any sort of data on medical success

stories (e.g., the sort you can easily find on SCENAR web sites). The

machine's developers provide a bit of history for a very few patients,

and that is it.

It is also of major concern to me that there is not a web group or a

forum where user's comments can be posted. Apart from the few

testimonials on the mfg's site, there do not appear to be any

significant bunch of people (unaffiliated with the mfg.), saying,

" I've tried this out, and these are the results I've gotten " .

It may work great, for what I know. But there is the very

uncomfortable feebling you'd be buying a pig in a poke, and a $23,000

pig, to boot.

Having said that, I think some experimenters could very well try their

basic detection principle. The developers seem to claim that it is

basically an " FScan type " device, but using a pulse-rate sensor,

rather than a GSR sensor. You can buy a pulse sensor very cheaply from

HeartMath. They also give you nice software to watch the pulse. Then,

you could set up a Bare/Rife, or similar machine, and put it in

scanning mode. Will you reliably pick up frequency " hits " via the

pulse sensor? Worth trying, but I wouldn't bet on it. I've used the

HeartMath device a bit, and it seems to me that its output varies

widely, even as you are sitting there and have NO frequencies beaming

on you. Will you pick up something with the B/R shining on you? Let's

have someone try.

By the way, a number of the Ondamed website papers create the

impression that the machine does something else, more, apart from

measuring the pulse during the frequency scan, and then applying the

identified frequency. But the descriptions are so obfuscatory, that it

is not possible (to me, a physicist) to understand them. These may

just be automation niceties, or they may be some treatment

functionality, but you won't learn this from the website.

It also is obscured as to how localized the action of the magnetic

transducers is. It is likely that they are just point-applicators, in

which case it is not clear at all how the makers claim treatment of

diseases that affect the whole body, i.e., Lyme disease.

So, my response would be: Rush out and buy one only if you're very

rich. If you are, and you do, please tell us what you find. For the

rest of us, maybe it would be worthwhile to have someone run

experiments with a pulse sensor and see if this is any better than

FScan (or Truerife's GSR) type scanning.

vyto

> >

> > Has anyone in this group looked into the ONDAMED out of germany?

>

> -- Several years ago, I had the privilege of being treated with

> ONDAMED while in Germany. From my experience, and that of my family, I

> would have to say I think the effectiveness of it might depend on the

> practitioner, although of course, I don't know that for sure. My reason

> for thinking it may is this: All of us in my family were diagnosed and

> treated (Ondamed) for issues of the " psyche " and never did see or feel

> any improvement from the Ondamed in the symptoms that caused us to seek

> that particular doctor's care. A few years later, we were diagnosed

> with having late-stages Lyme disease and several co-infectors, which I

> believe was a correct diagnosis as we began seeing improvement soon

> after beginning treatment for those conditions. Symptoms that were

> evident at the time of our visits to the doctor and had been quite

> obvious in our lives, at that point, for over 10 years.

>

> Even though borrelia was recognized in Germany at that time, this

> particular doctor did not recognize it. Whether that was a mistake on

> the part of the machine or of the interpreter, I don't know.

>

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