Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 EMF: Enigma in a mystery in vortex of a paradox My proposal for doing EMF therapy against HIV/AIDS and malaria has been put on hold again. Several new bits of information have come into my consciousness and I hesitate to move forward. First, the increasingly dubious link between HIV and AIDS and the whole mis-information behind it and how it is used to control people. Two, trying to reconcile what Becker says about EMF and EMR in his must read Boby Electric book, which I only read recently and thoroughly enjoyed for its research, quality and style of writing and well presented points. For now, I want to request from this group more insights into understanding EMF via Rife, why Becker does not mention Rife, Priore or any key players in the Rife movement or the work being done in treatments. Third, his extensive research into EMF and any related works about the use of electrification for treatment in regenerative systems and immune system work, down to the cellular levels, then as applied to bone and wound healing and various ailments including arthritis, cancer and more. Becker concludes from his work and the research, that ELF frequencies and radiation, and much of the work by Abe Liboff and others in this range, especially using the earth's own ELF has great value; i.e., the weak fields and energy levels using simultaneously with the known fields generated within the earth's magnetic fields has value. He further conclude that many of the EMF frequencies above the ELF range have many dangerous effects on the cellular activity within the body, based on research done around the world, actually promotes cancer and parasitic growth up to six times, even under short term exposures and causes confusion within the immune system signals, to the point of creating immune deficiency syndromes! I have noted almost all such references within his book. My presentation may be off above, but on review it captures the tone and fact of what he says: he does not encourage any applied EMF of pulsed or non pulsed frequencies within the human body without extensive study on the good and bad, as he has identified enough of the bad to concern him very deeply!! (He writes a lot about ELF and EMF assaulting the body in society and this explains the WHO extensive work on their deleterious effects today, plus denial by EU/USA of this.) Becker did reference Liboff, Beck (only in reference to EMF weaponry uses, not any of Beck's work based on Kaali electrification and HIV), Tesla, various Russia researchers, but none of the Russians associated with PEMF. Question: was Becker aware of Rife and PEMF work in general? Anyone know of any Becker statements about him or her and what he did say? Got a source? Does anyone have known of any equivalent research any anyone with credentials like Becker, concerning the pros and cons of PEMF in animal or human studies? Today and this week, I will be asking any and all I know these questions, as I seek to find answers. I need to get some answers to these before moving forward with my work with PEMF in BEM use in Africa or anywhere!! I am encouraged by Liboff's work with weak ELF uses for treatments, but not with AIDS, as AIDS is a syndrome and not a specific set of PEMF related ailments that can be addressed, as far as I can find out. I am increasingly swayed toward the idea the EMF via Tesla now operational weapons being used by several city-states, and that the USA is far-r-r behind them. That except for one small city-state that likes America, we could today be a once-upon-a-time if not for their intervention in the silent war of EMF attacks made to date. And, finally, that AIDS just might be a man-made condition, a field test of EMF induced disease in Africa, demonstrating the horrendous potential of this technology. (Beck makes many references to this, but only shades of Bearden horror stories, the latter being the Sky-is-falling on this one, but with a background and credentials that do put oomph into his conclusions.) Given all this, any suggestions for someone to read, books to access, persons to discuss this with, or your own insights on this, it would be appreciated. I particularly look forward to MacLeod, Bare, N. Sylva and others known for their depth of understanding of Rife technologies, history and use. Or anyone else with knowledge in this field that could direct me toward greater understanding in this field. Hell, I FINALLY found a funder. Then whilst deciding whether or not to go the extra mile by writing the full business plan to gain high likelihood to full funding, my own research has thrown serious doubts into PEMF and into its treatment of HIV, or AIDS specifically. Blood electrification of the " V " in HIV could not solve AIDS, as it is not a root cause, too infrequently found in actual AIDS cases to be valid. Plus the set of conditions that summed together to be called AIDS makes it a syndrome and not a treatable disease. AIDS is a set of different conditions, most likely malnutrition, internal parasites and toxins and external conditions found around Africa whereby addressing them is a complex cloth of health outside any single treatment and a set of cultural, economic and political changes within a given area allowing the people to live a healthy life. I can imagine that a Rife/Bare plasma approach could be very effective, if it can be demonstrated that a range of time-phased frequencies could have positive effects to promoting the regenerative and immune system in good ways, allowing the body to recover via a cold start or warm boot, access to the body's natural ability to address certain non-self conditions causing non healthy conditions to prevail. I can imagine redesigning the project based on a revised PEMF or similar BEM with excellent results for a known ailment in Africa that threatens life, if coupled with some affordable and adaptable nutrition approach appropriate to Africa. But any such regiment, if more than A+B, will fail. There are too many cultural, social and economic factors to be overcome. Either BEM or PEMF works or it does not. It would help to have a solid winner and not just another treatment that works more like a placebo, 30% of the time. Oh well, your guidance, any thoughtful or heart felt response, would be very much appreciated. Sincerely, Noël de Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Hi Noël, Just some thoughts and observations FWIW... The doubts you harbor may be at least partially resolved if you gain more personal experience with Rife-like technologies. If you used a Rife/Bare system like I do, and had the experiences like I have had, then you would more directly and personally perceive the substantial opportunities for healing as well as the challenge of identifying an appropriate frequency set for a particular condition. Even if " AIDS " in Africa is not what some say it is, there is still an opportunity to benefit the health of many Africans. As I see it, what Bearden or Becker say probably will not help Africans anywhere near as much as some often- used Rife-like machines would. Perhaps larger practical concerns would be how to provide power and spare parts for a Rife/Bare or other system when working in outlying rural areas, and how the machines should be portable and ruggedly constructed to withstand rough handling and environment. It seems like you have created a highly meaningful task for yourself. After gaining hands-on experience and seeing what does or does not work well you may then feel more confident to proceed forward, even in the absence of formal studies. Best wishes, Warren Rekow EMF: Enigma in a mystery in vortex of a paradox My proposal for doing EMF therapy against HIV/AIDS and malaria has been put on hold again. Several new bits of information have come into my consciousness and I hesitate to move forward. First, the increasingly dubious link between HIV and AIDS and the whole mis-information behind it and how it is used to control people. Two, trying to reconcile what Becker says about EMF and EMR in his must read Boby Electric book, which I only read recently and thoroughly enjoyed for its research, quality and style of writing and well presented points. For now, I want to request from this group more insights into understanding EMF via Rife, why Becker does not mention Rife, Priore or any key players in the Rife movement or the work being done in treatments. Third, his extensive research into EMF and any related works about the use of electrification for treatment in regenerative systems and immune system work, down to the cellular levels, then as applied to bone and wound healing and various ailments including arthritis, cancer and more. Becker concludes from his work and the research, that ELF frequencies and radiation, and much of the work by Abe Liboff and others in this range, especially using the earth's own ELF has great value; i.e., the weak fields and energy levels using simultaneously with the known fields generated within the earth's magnetic fields has value. He further conclude that many of the EMF frequencies above the ELF range have many dangerous effects on the cellular activity within the body, based on research done around the world, actually promotes cancer and parasitic growth up to six times, even under short term exposures and causes confusion within the immune system signals, to the point of creating immune deficiency syndromes! I have noted almost all such references within his book. My presentation may be off above, but on review it captures the tone and fact of what he says: he does not encourage any applied EMF of pulsed or non pulsed frequencies within the human body without extensive study on the good and bad, as he has identified enough of the bad to concern him very deeply!! (He writes a lot about ELF and EMF assaulting the body in society and this explains the WHO extensive work on their deleterious effects today, plus denial by EU/USA of this.) Becker did reference Liboff, Beck (only in reference to EMF weaponry uses, not any of Beck's work based on Kaali electrification and HIV), Tesla, various Russia researchers, but none of the Russians associated with PEMF. Question: was Becker aware of Rife and PEMF work in general? Anyone know of any Becker statements about him or her and what he did say? Got a source? Does anyone have known of any equivalent research any anyone with credentials like Becker, concerning the pros and cons of PEMF in animal or human studies? Today and this week, I will be asking any and all I know these questions, as I seek to find answers. I need to get some answers to these before moving forward with my work with PEMF in BEM use in Africa or anywhere!! I am encouraged by Liboff's work with weak ELF uses for treatments, but not with AIDS, as AIDS is a syndrome and not a specific set of PEMF related ailments that can be addressed, as far as I can find out. I am increasingly swayed toward the idea the EMF via Tesla now operational weapons being used by several city-states, and that the USA is far-r-r behind them. That except for one small city-state that likes America, we could today be a once-upon-a-time if not for their intervention in the silent war of EMF attacks made to date. And, finally, that AIDS just might be a man-made condition, a field test of EMF induced disease in Africa, demonstrating the horrendous potential of this technology. (Beck makes many references to this, but only shades of Bearden horror stories, the latter being the Sky-is-falling on this one, but with a background and credentials that do put oomph into his conclusions.) Given all this, any suggestions for someone to read, books to access, persons to discuss this with, or your own insights on this, it would be appreciated. I particularly look forward to MacLeod, Bare, N. Sylva and others known for their depth of understanding of Rife technologies, history and use. Or anyone else with knowledge in this field that could direct me toward greater understanding in this field. Hell, I FINALLY found a funder. Then whilst deciding whether or not to go the extra mile by writing the full business plan to gain high likelihood to full funding, my own research has thrown serious doubts into PEMF and into its treatment of HIV, or AIDS specifically. Blood electrification of the " V " in HIV could not solve AIDS, as it is not a root cause, too infrequently found in actual AIDS cases to be valid. Plus the set of conditions that summed together to be called AIDS makes it a syndrome and not a treatable disease. AIDS is a set of different conditions, most likely malnutrition, internal parasites and toxins and external conditions found around Africa whereby addressing them is a complex cloth of health outside any single treatment and a set of cultural, economic and political changes within a given area allowing the people to live a healthy life. I can imagine that a Rife/Bare plasma approach could be very effective, if it can be demonstrated that a range of time-phased frequencies could have positive effects to promoting the regenerative and immune system in good ways, allowing the body to recover via a cold start or warm boot, access to the body's natural ability to address certain non-self conditions causing non healthy conditions to prevail. I can imagine redesigning the project based on a revised PEMF or similar BEM with excellent results for a known ailment in Africa that threatens life, if coupled with some affordable and adaptable nutrition approach appropriate to Africa. But any such regiment, if more than A+B, will fail. There are too many cultural, social and economic factors to be overcome. Either BEM or PEMF works or it does not. It would help to have a solid winner and not just another treatment that works more like a placebo, 30% of the time. Oh well, your guidance, any thoughtful or heart felt response, would be very much appreciated. Sincerely, Noël de Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 > > First, the increasingly dubious link between HIV and AIDS and the > whole mis-information behind it and how it is used to control people. > You are mistaken the connections is very well known, and is the aim of all succesful treatements for AIDS. Attacking the virus does reduce symptoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Your thoughts and ideas are much appreciated. Actually I did my own Rifing for awhile using a computer, amp, etc.---the poor man's Rife. Plus experimented with zapping, used a Vibe machine. Plus, my expereience in Africa brought about, get this, writing the book on using microcomputers in remote areas, and how to keep them alive. did this in the '80's. I am very familiar with keeping technology alive in Africa, etc., working within different cultures, etc. One of the issues is that Africans have been 'helped' by scam artist, con artist, religious zealots, all coming in and impacting their lives, under false hopes. Taking Rife over there and not having any real effect would just add to that woo... So my request for anyone responding with success as requested is most sincere. I sure would like to see Rife be it for any of the seeming pandemics in AFrica. If it were so, I am close to getting THAT technology over there in a manner that could make a difference, especially compared to the inept approaches being used so far!! Sincerely, Noel > > Hi Noël, > Just some thoughts and observations FWIW... The doubts you harbor may > be at least partially resolved if you gain more personal experience > with Rife-like technologies. If you used a Rife/Bare system like I > do, and had the experiences like I have had, then you would more > directly and personally perceive the substantial opportunities for > healing as well as the challenge of identifying an appropriate > frequency set for a particular condition. Even if " AIDS " in Africa is > not what some say it is, there is still an opportunity to benefit the > health of many Africans. As I see it, what Bearden or Becker say > probably will not help Africans anywhere near as much as some often- > used Rife-like machines would. Perhaps larger practical concerns > would be how to provide power and spare parts for a Rife/Bare or > other system when working in outlying rural areas, and how the > machines should be portable and ruggedly constructed to withstand > rough handling and environment. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Then we agree to disagree. Too many AIDS cases, the majority in Africa, do not have HIV for HIV to be taken as a causal link. This has been documented too many times in too many African countries. AIDS root cause is not the V in HIV. Just some thoughts for your consideration: A biochemist named Kary Mullis was driving along a California mountain road when he had an aha! experience akin to Newton's with the apple and Archimedes' in the bathtub. Mullis immediately pulled off the road, awakened his sleeping girlfriend, and told her that he suddenly knew how to replicate DNA. It was a problem that had been vexing scientists and, as it turned out, Mullis was right. His insight into the polymerase chain reaction won him the 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry and led to the invention of DNA-replicating machines and the tests they make possible, including the one for HIV antibodies.This is simply by way of establishing the impeccable scientific credentials of Dr. Kary Mullis. Because when someone of his stature questions whether the HIV virus causes AIDS, we should probably listen. Huh? Of course HIV causes AIDS, we all know that, don't we? The CDC tells us so, the media tell us so, our doctors tell us so. End of story.Well, actually not. There is a sizeable, and growing, chorus of dissenting voices. And unlike many groups that challenge an entrenched mainstream belief, this one does not consist of loudmouths with fringe credentials. It is made up of pre-eminent scientists with rock-solid reputations. Among dozens of others, in addition to Kary Mullis, we find Dr. Duesberg of UC Berkeley, one of the world's leading molecular biologists; Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, emeritus professor of molecular biology and virology at the Max-Planck-Institute in Munich, Germany; Dr. Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, professor of medical physics at Australia's Royal Perth Hospital; Dr. Walter Gilbert, 1980 Nobel prize winner for his work on DNA sequencing; and Dr. Gordon , professor emeritus of public health at Glasgow University and a former AIDS adviser to the World Health Organization.Impressive, and that's just the short list. So, what are these men and women saying?Kary Mullis: " If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document. " This is only ONE reason why I am not buying the HIV causes AIDS. So if any Rifer has clinical proof of curing AIDS, I am more interested in curing HIV. But any case history info would be appreciated. Sincerely Noel > > > > > First, the increasingly dubious link between HIV and AIDS and the > > whole mis-information behind it and how it is used to control people. > > > > You are mistaken the connections is very well known, and is the aim of > all succesful treatements for AIDS. Attacking the virus does reduce > symptoms. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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