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Hi EVERYONE

We got the urine amino acid test result from Great plain

I am concer about 3 thins has anyone had similar issues and what can

be done for them

any suggestion much appreciated

Beta Alanine is ver high 86 ref range <20

Carnosine is high 770 ref range<500

1-Metlyhistidine is 540 ref range 115-430

Thanks

Yahya

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> Hi EVERYONE

>

> We got the urine amino acid test result from Great plain

>

> I am concer about 3 thins has anyone had similar issues and what

can

> be done for them

> any suggestion much appreciated

>

> Beta Alanine is ver high 86 ref range <20

> Carnosine is high 770 ref range<500

> 1-Metlyhistidine is 540 ref range 115-430

>

>

> Thanks

> Yahya

>Beta Alanine might be high due to bacteria and fungus overgrowth or

high asparatic acid, and beta-alanine will inhibit carnosne and

Arserine, so the arserine should be high? try less meat diet, and

Yasko beleves if all those 3 come to normal range it is time to add

DMG. i hope it helps.

happy new year.

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Yahya,

Was taurine elevated too? Most of the time beta alanine levels go up

because the transporter that reabsorbs beta alanine also reabsorbs taurine,

and when taurine levels in the blood are high, there is just too much of

both of these compounds to reabsorb it all.

If taurine is not high, this could be an issue with a different

transporter. Methylhistidine and histidine and beta alanine share

transport via NBAT, a neutral and basic amino acid transporter. If this is

the issue, you might see an elevation in cystine in the urine when plasma

cystine is not elevated. You didn't mention taurine or cystine being out

of range.

The NBAT transporter (and many other transporters that help us reabsorb

amino acids) change in their ability to transport amino acids based on

pH. You may find that changes in his pH are hurting reabsorption. You

could certainly monitor urinary pH, and do what you can to balance his

pH. You can buy testing strips for pH at the pharmacy that you can use at

home.

How much protein does your child eat? Is it normal for his age? The body

goes after the body's muscle trying to compensate when dietary protein gets

too low.

3- methylhistidine is the more frequent marker of muscle catabolism, but it

and 1-Methylhistidine being high can be a sign of muscle breakdown which

might occur if you are restricting protein too much or under other stresses

like what happens when carbohydrate gets too low,. When the body isn't

getting enough carbohydrate, muscle breakdown might occur for a process

called gluconeogenesis. In that case, you might see elevated plasma alanine.

But, 1-methylhistidine can also be formed from eating too much muscle meat,

so it is really important to evaluate where the methylhistidine is coming

from, for what you do about it is completely opposite based on which source

it represents.

How old is your child? How much protein does he get per day from

meat? From other sources?

Maybe this will help:

From:

http://www.bcm.edu/cnrc/consumer/archives/proteinchildren.htm

The Recommended Dietary Allowances (RDA) for protein are based on body

weight and include age-related adjustments for the extra protein needed for

growth, said nutritionists at the USDA/ARS Children's Nutrition Research

Center at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.

Healthy 1-to-3-year-old children need 0.55 grams of protein per pound of

body weight per day, which means the average 29-pound toddler needs 16

grams of protein each day. The RDAs for older children are 0.5 grams of

protein per pound of body weight for 4-to-6-year-olds; 0.45 grams for

7-to-14-year olds; and 0.4 grams for 15-to-18-year-old boys. The RDA for

girls over 15 and boys over 18 is 0.36 grams of protein per pound of body

weight, the same as for adults.

J Chromatogr B Analyt Technol Biomed Life Sci. 2005 Jul

5;821(1):53-9. Related Articles, Links

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Determination of 3-methylhistidine and 1-methylhistidine in untreated

urine samples by capillary electrophoresis.

Tuma P, Samcova E, Balinova P.

University, 3rd Faculty of Medicine, Centre of Biomedical

Sciences, Ruska 87, 100 00 Prague 10, Czech Republic.

Capillary electrophoretic (CE) method was developed for the

determination of urinary 3-methylhistidine (3MH) and 1-methylhistidine

(1MH) indicating the extent of degradation of skeletal muscle proteins and

thereby the state of human health. ....

PMID: 15899597 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Metabolism. 1987 Dec;36(12):1175-84.Links

Urinary excretion of 1-methylhistidine: a qualitative indicator of

exogenous 3-methylhistidine and intake of meats from various sources.

Sjölin J, Hjort G, Friman G, Hambraeus L.

Department of Infectious Diseases, University Hospital, Uppsala, Sweden.

In order to investigate whether the urinary excretion of 1-methylhistidine

(1MH) might serve as an objective indicator of meat ingestion and exogenous

3-methylhistidine (3MH) intake, healthy subjects were fed an

ovolactovegetarian diet. At five-day intervals they were given meat of

different origin and 24-hour urinary excretions of 1MH and 3MH were

determined. After beef intake there was a marked increase of 3MH and 1MH

excretion. The elimination curves were found to follow first-order kinetics

and to indicate similar elimination rates. 1MH was present in ten different

types of meat analyzed. A strong linear relationship was found between

increase in 3MH and 1MH excretion and the amount of chicken, pork, or

plaice ingested. IMH may serve as an objective indicator of meat and

exogenous 3MH intake, since it is present in meat, and, regardless of

source, shows similar dose-independent kinetics, and has similar half-life

to 3MH.

PMID: 3683186 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Ann Surg. 1985 Jul;202(1):21-7.[] Links

Whole-body protein breakdown and 3-methylhistidine excretion during brief

fasting, starvation, and intravenous repletion in man.

Lowry SF, Horowitz GD, Jeevanandam M, Legaspi A, Brennan MF.

Simultaneous whole-body protein breakdown (using 15N-glycine) and urinary

3-methylhistidine (3MH) excretion rates were determined in six hospitalized

normal volunteers after 10 days of starvation and a subsequent 10-day

period of total parental nutrition (TPN). These data were contrasted to

whole-body protein breakdown and urinary 3MH excretion in ten depleted

(14.8% body weight loss) patients with benign intraabdominal disease

studied in the basal (48 hours without nutrient intake) and intravenously

refed states. The rates of whole-body protein breakdown were significantly

reduced from basal (brief fasting or starvation) conditions in both normal

volunteers (p less than 0.01) and depleted patients (p less than 0.01)

during TPN. The rate of protein catabolism normalized for creatinine

excretion in patients was higher than that observed in normal subjects

during both basal (p less than 0.05) and intravenous feeding conditions.

Daily urinary 3MH excretion was reduced during intravenous feeding in both

starved normal volunteer (235 +/- 13 mumol/d to 197 +/- 9 mumol/d p less

than 0.05) and in depleted patients (209 +/- 31 mumol/d to 140 +/- 35

mumol/d), and an apparent linear relationship between protein breakdown and

urinary 3MH, normalized for creatinine excretion, was obtained in both

volunteer and patient (r = 0.85) populations during fasting-refeeding.

However, separate regression analysis of the protein breakdown and 3MH

responses of both volunteer and patient groups under conditions of fasting,

starvation, and refeeding revealed significant differences between

volunteer and patient populations during intravenous refeeding (p less than

0.01). Further analysis of 3MH excretion in relationship to nitrogen

balance during refeeding suggests a complex relationship between urinary

3MH excretion and whole-body protein metabolism that may be partly related

to the degree of antecedent malnutrition.

PMID: 3925903 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Biochem J. 1999 Oct 1;343 Pt 1:169-76.[] [] Links

Interactions between the thiol-group reagent N-ethylmaleimide and neutral

and basic amino acid transporter-related amino acid transport.

GJ, Davies A, Watt PW, Birrell J, PM.

Department of Anatomy and Physiology, University of Dundee, Dundee DD1 4HN,

Scotland, U.K.

The neutral and basic amino acid transport protein (NBAT) expressed in

renal and jejunal brush-border membranes is involved in amino acid and

cystine absorption. NBAT mutations result in Type 1 cystinuria....... The

synthetic amino acid 2-trifluoromethylhistidine (TFMH) stimulated alanine

efflux at pH 7.5 and arginine at pH 5.5, but not vice versa, establishing

the existence of distinct pathways for cationic and neutral amino acid

homoexchange (TFMH is zwitterionic at pH 7.5 and cationic at pH 5.5). We

suggest that NBAT expresses a combination of system b(0,+) and y(+)L-like

activities, possibly by interacting with different light-chain subunits

endogenous to oocytes (as does the homologous 4F2hc protein). The

C-terminus of NBAT may also have an additional, direct role in the

mechanism of System b(0,+) transport (the major transport activity that is

defective in Type 1 cystinuria).

PMID: 10493926 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

At 12:27 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Hi EVERYONE

> >

> > We got the urine amino acid test result from Great plain

> >

> > I am concer about 3 thins has anyone had similar issues and what

>can

> > be done for them

> > any suggestion much appreciated

> >

> > Beta Alanine is ver high 86 ref range <20

> > Carnosine is high 770 ref range<500

> > 1-Metlyhistidine is 540 ref range 115-430

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> > Yahya

> >Beta Alanine might be high due to bacteria and fungus overgrowth or

>high asparatic acid, and beta-alanine will inhibit carnosne and

>Arserine, so the arserine should be high? try less meat diet, and

>Yasko beleves if all those 3 come to normal range it is time to add

>DMG. i hope it helps.

>happy new year.

>

>

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