You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

[Guest guest]

Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs. If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to prevent heart disease.

Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is called the ing therapy.

For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and informative articles at

http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

[Guest guest]

It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is not an out of range factor.Mike S. From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chasSent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PMTo: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs. If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to prevent heart disease. Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it. From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is called the ing therapy.For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and informative articles at http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

[Guest guest]

This is still assuming that you need low cholesterol!

I assume that my body is making whatever amount of cholesterol it needs

and I don't need to mess with it.

Linden

You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin

drugs to lower cholesterol.  Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol

also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side

effects of statin drugs.  If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least

3000 mg per day), then excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is

naturally converted to bile acid and then excreted.  But that is just

part of the process in which vitamin C works to prevent heart disease.

 

Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. 

But the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and

dismissed his research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to

prove or disprove his findings.  As a result, his discoveries have

been practically buried except for the internet, so the vast majority

of the public (and cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about

it.

 

From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day

of the amino acid lysine.  He recommended the additional lysine because

it was found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries.  This

is what is called the ing therapy.

For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well

written and informative articles at

      http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm   and at 

 http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

[Guest guest]

Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the

levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high

cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us.

That was the motive for that new lowered level, right?

I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was 167. I wanted my quality

of life back.

I know some members here probably had results way out of range and maybe that is

why they were urged to take the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks.

But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was never officially diagnosed

with any arterial plaques, my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to

have a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia for for my diabetes

for 6 years. Avandia is now practically banned because of the increased risk of

heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc would not do my screening

colonoscopy, because of the sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He

did not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I think the stress test

is more definitive than a slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather

have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's called, that can show the

plaques, but it probably wouldn't be covered under my insurance.

My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70. He is the one who

prescribed the Zocor as soon as my total was 3 points over 200. I think that no

one could lower their LDL to that level below 70 without medication. I tried

the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not

knowing why I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The internet and

this group opened my eyes.

I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all the drug studies would be

sent to our doctors. If the trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart

attack vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk, does it? I read that

somewhere. To me that sounds like a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody

please explain this?

I agree, that high levels are not necessarily " high " because of the NCEP. Mike

do you agree that LDL under 70 is not sustainable without statins?

Just my opinions and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> not an out of range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Connie, can I ask you a question.Do yu think your body needs cholesterol?

> >

> > It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> > high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> > not an out of range factor.

> >

> > Mike S.

> >

> >

> >

> > From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> > [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> > To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> > Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> > to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> > does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> > If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> > cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> > excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> > prevent heart disease.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> > cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> > vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> > the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> > research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> > his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> > except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> > cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

> >

> >

> >

> > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> > dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> > least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> > amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> > found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> > called the ing therapy.

> >

> >

> > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> > cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> > informative articles at

> >

> >

> > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> > <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly the way I feel.

>

> This is still assuming that you need low cholesterol!

> I assume that my body is making whatever amount of cholesterol it needs

> and I don't need to mess with it.

> Linden

>

>

> You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin

> drugs to lower cholesterol.  Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol

> also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side

> effects of statin drugs.  If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least

> 3000 mg per day), then excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is

> naturally converted to bile acid and then excreted.  But that is just

> part of the process in which vitamin C works to prevent heart disease.

>  

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. 

> But the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and

> dismissed his research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to

> prove or disprove his findings.  As a result, his discoveries have

> been practically buried except for the internet, so the vast majority

> of the public (and cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about

> it.

>  

> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day

> of the amino acid lysine.  He recommended the additional lysine because

> it was found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries.  This

> is what is called the ing therapy.

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well

> written and informative articles at

>

>       http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm   and at 

>  http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Connie, the discrepancy has to do with the difference between absolute risk

reduction and relative risk reduction. The absolute risk reduction in the case

you cited is 3 minus 2 or 1%. But the relative risk reduction is 3 minus 2

divided by 3 or 33%. Guess which number the drug companies always report? But

they do the opposite when reporting statin side effects. They publish the

absolute risk rather than the relative risk because that number seems less

scary.

Barbar , MD

---- cls54721 wrote:

Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the

levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high

cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us.

That was the motive for that new lowered level, right?

I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was 167. I wanted my quality

of life back.

I know some members here probably had results way out of range and maybe that is

why they were urged to take the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks.

But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was never officially diagnosed

with any arterial plaques, my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to

have a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia for for my diabetes

for 6 years. Avandia is now practically banned because of the increased risk of

heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc would not do my screening

colonoscopy, because of the sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He

did not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I think the stress test

is more definitive than a slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather

have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's called, that can show the

plaques, but it probably wouldn't be covered under my insurance.

My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70. He is the one who

prescribed the Zocor as soon as my total was 3 points over 200. I think that no

one could lower their LDL to that level below 70 without medication. I tried

the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not

knowing why I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The internet and

this group opened my eyes.

I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all the drug studies would be

sent to our doctors. If the trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart

attack vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk, does it? I read that

somewhere. To me that sounds like a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody

please explain this?

I agree, that high levels are not necessarily " high " because of the NCEP. Mike

do you agree that LDL under 70 is not sustainable without statins?

Just my opinions and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> not an out of range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Actually I wish mine was higher, 147 is too low

Lee...

> Exactly the way I feel.

>

>

>

>> This is still assuming that you need low cholesterol!

>> I assume that my body is making whatever amount of cholesterol it needs

>> and I don't need to mess with it.

>> Linden

>>

>>

>> You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin

>> drugs to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol

>> also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side

>> effects of statin drugs. If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least

>> 3000 mg per day), then excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is

>> naturally converted to bile acid and then excreted.  But that is just

>> part of the process in which vitamin C works to prevent heart disease.

>> Â

>> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

>> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

>> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries.Â

>> But the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and

>> dismissed his research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to

>> prove or disprove his findings. As a result, his discoveries have

>> been practically buried except for the internet, so the vast majority

>> of the public (and cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about

>> it.

>> Â

>> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

>> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

>> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day

>> of the amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because

>> it was found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This

>> is what is called the ing therapy.

>>

>> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

>> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well

>> written and informative articles at

>>

>>      http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm  and atÂ

>> Â http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Connie:

The lowering of the " normal range " was strictly a money grab and another

hand that pharmas could get in your pocket , and now for life. That is a

great deal. Doctors relied on the Pharma research and recommendations, FDA

was bought off, so you have now created a situation where not only Pharma

makes money, but dr. have a steady stream of new patients, now Type 2 and

worse. Another perfect deal, as these folks will be patients for life unless

they do the due diligence and become advocates for their care.

Without any real baseline testing Dr.s are shooting in the dark about your

bodies condition and balance. They seem to have no regard for system

interaction and dependence and things go downhill fast, especially when the

underlying issues are not addressed head on.

We are a nation that has been lead to believe that a cure is better

prevention.

Mike S.

You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin

> drugs to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol

> also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects

of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then

> excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile

> acid and then excreted. But that is just part of the process in which

> vitamin C works to prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause

> of cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of

> sufficient vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged

> arteries. But the lords of the medical/drug establishment just

> ignored and dismissed his research, and they even refused to run

> clinical tests to prove or disprove his findings. As a result, his

> discoveries have been practically buried except for the internet, so

> the vast majority of the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum

> recommended dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular

> disease was at least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2

> grams per day of the amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional

> lysine because it was found to help vitamin C heal and repair the

> arteries. This is what is called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well

> written and informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Barbara.

> >

> > It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> > high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> > not an out of range factor.

> >

> > Mike S.

> >

> >

> >

> > From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> > [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> > To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> > Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> > to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> > does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> > If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> > cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> > excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> > prevent heart disease.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> > cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> > vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> > the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> > research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> > his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> > except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> > cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

> >

> >

> >

> > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> > dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> > least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> > amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> > found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> > called the ing therapy.

> >

> >

> > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> > cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> > informative articles at

> >

> >

> > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> > <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Of course I need cholesterol. I think my body makes what it needs, like what

Linden said. It's my doctor and the whole pharmaceutical industry telling me

how I have too much.

Connie

> > >

> > > It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it

is

> > > high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> > > not an out of range factor.

> > >

> > > Mike S.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> > > [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> > > To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> > > Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> > > to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> > > does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin

drugs.

> > > If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> > > cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and

then

> > > excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works

to

> > > prevent heart disease.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> > > cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> > > vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> > > the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> > > research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> > > his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> > > except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> > > cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> > > dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> > > least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of

the

> > > amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> > > found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> > > called the ing therapy.

> > >

> > >

> > > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> > > cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written

and

> > > informative articles at

> > >

> > >

> > > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> > > <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lee, go out and eat a high calorie meal. Cram 4000 calories into dinner. Wait 45 minutes, then draw blood. Now if your lipids are not higher than 147 I'll eat my hat. Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: cls54721 Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Actually I wish mine was higher, 147 is too low

Lee...

> Exactly the way I feel.

>

>

>

>> This is still assuming that you need low cholesterol!

>> I assume that my body is making whatever amount of cholesterol it needs

>> and I don't need to mess with it.

>> Linden

>>

>>

>> You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin

>> drugs to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol

>> also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side

>> effects of statin drugs. If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least

>> 3000 mg per day), then excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is

>> naturally converted to bile acid and then excreted.  But that is just

>> part of the process in which vitamin C works to prevent heart disease.

>> Â

>> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

>> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

>> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries.Â

>> But the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and

>> dismissed his research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to

>> prove or disprove his findings. As a result, his discoveries have

>> been practically buried except for the internet, so the vast majority

>> of the public (and cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about

>> it.

>> Â

>> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

>> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

>> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day

>> of the amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because

>> it was found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This

>> is what is called the ing therapy.

>>

>> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

>> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well

>> written and informative articles at

>>

>>      http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm  and atÂ

>> Â http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Linden: I'm afraid you misread or misinterpreted the first paragraph of my post. I was not assuming that everyone needs to lower their cholesterol. To clarify it, I only meant to say that IF you have high cholesterol, then vitamin C will lower it to a normal range by eliminating from the body only the EXCESS cholesterol in the bloodstream. Unlike the statins, vitamin C is safe because it does not block the body's production of new cholesterol.

My intent was to point out that statin drugs are totally unnecessary, and that no one needs to be afraid they will have a heart attack if they don't take them. That is just a fear mongering tactic used by Big Pharma and their cardiologists to maximize sales and profits. Vitamin C will greatly reduce your chances of a heart attack because it actually heals the arteries and prevents cardiovascular disease. Anyway, I hope everyone will read the articles referenced in the links.

[Guest guest]

Mike S, I know it now.

I'm sure most of us found out the hard way, taking the statin without enough

knowledge and thinking that doctors know everything. But, we are the ones who

suffered, sometimes, permanently.

Connie

> >

> > It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact

> > it is high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced

> > and there is not an out of range factor.

> >

> > Mike S.

> >

> >

> >

> > From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> > [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> > To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> > Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin

> > drugs to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol

> > also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects

> of statin drugs.

> > If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then

> > excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile

> > acid and then excreted. But that is just part of the process in which

> > vitamin C works to prevent heart disease.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause

> > of cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of

> > sufficient vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged

> > arteries. But the lords of the medical/drug establishment just

> > ignored and dismissed his research, and they even refused to run

> > clinical tests to prove or disprove his findings. As a result, his

> > discoveries have been practically buried except for the internet, so

> > the vast majority of the public (and

> > cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

> >

> >

> >

> > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum

> > recommended dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular

> > disease was at least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2

> > grams per day of the amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional

> > lysine because it was found to help vitamin C heal and repair the

> > arteries. This is what is called the ing therapy.

> >

> >

> > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> > cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well

> > written and informative articles at

> >

> >

> > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> > <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her, because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical community, she is completely brainwashed.Dave.

Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us. That was the motive for that new lowered level, right?

I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was 167. I wanted my quality of life back.

I know some members here probably had results way out of range and maybe that is why they were urged to take the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks. But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was never officially diagnosed with any arterial plaques, my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to have a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia for for my diabetes for 6 years. Avandia is now practically banned because of the increased risk of heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc would not do my screening colonoscopy, because of the sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He did not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I think the stress test is more definitive than a slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's called, that can show the plaques, but it probably wouldn't be covered under my insurance.

My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70. He is the one who prescribed the Zocor as soon as my total was 3 points over 200. I think that no one could lower their LDL to that level below 70 without medication. I tried the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not knowing why I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The internet and this group opened my eyes.

I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all the drug studies would be sent to our doctors. If the trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart attack vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk, does it? I read that somewhere. To me that sounds like a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody please explain this?

I agree, that high levels are not necessarily "high" because of the NCEP. Mike do you agree that LDL under 70 is not sustainable without statins?

Just my opinions and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> not an out of range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Dave, I disagree that it would take a 2x4. I think you should use a 2x6. OK just kidding. But honestly when they try to put you on a statin I think the best way to get their attention is "Doctor, you push a statin on me and you forfeit your office visit fee."If all of America would just refuse payment to physicians who push statins, maybe the message would get out. Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her, because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical community, she is completely brainwashed.Dave.

Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us. That was the motive for that new lowered level, right?

I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was 167. I wanted my quality of life back.

I know some members here probably had results way out of range and maybe that is why they were urged to take the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks. But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was never officially diagnosed with any arterial plaques, my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to have a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia for for my diabetes for 6 years. Avandia is now practically banned because of the increased risk of heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc would not do my screening colonoscopy, because of the sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He did not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I think the stress test is more definitive than a slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's called, that can show the plaques, but it probably wouldn't be covered under my insurance.

My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70. He is the one who prescribed the Zocor as soon as my total was 3 points over 200. I think that no one could lower their LDL to that level below 70 without medication. I tried the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not knowing why I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The internet and this group opened my eyes.

I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all the drug studies would be sent to our doctors. If the trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart attack vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk, does it? I read that somewhere. To me that sounds like a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody please explain this?

I agree, that high levels are not necessarily "high" because of the NCEP. Mike do you agree that LDL under 70 is not sustainable without statins?

Just my opinions and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> not an out of range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Dave, most people take the statin with the perception it prevents artery plaque, but its just perception in the consumers mind. The drugs have never been shown to do such a thing. 100% agreed statins do NOT prevent plaque build up. All the risk is on the patient. Zero risk for the doctor. Therefore if your doctor insists on the statin, She needs to share in the risk. Its only fair. Your Doctor should deposit very large sums of cash into an escrow account. If you suffer injury from the drug, the cash is yours. If you don't encounter problems on the drug, She can have her cash back.When pushing drugs of folly, the pusher needs to share in the risk. Alternate email:

marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her, because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical community, she is completely brainwashed.Dave.

Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us. That was the motive for that new lowered level, right?

I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was 167. I wanted my quality of life back.

I know some members here probably had results way out of range and maybe that is why they were urged to take the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks. But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was never officially diagnosed with any arterial plaques, my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to have a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia for for my diabetes for 6 years. Avandia is now practically banned because of the increased risk of heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc would not do my screening colonoscopy, because of the sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He did not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I think the stress test is more definitive than a slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's called, that can show the plaques, but it probably wouldn't be covered under my insurance.

My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70. He is the one who prescribed the Zocor as soon as my total was 3 points over 200. I think that no one could lower their LDL to that level below 70 without medication. I tried the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not knowing why I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The internet and this group opened my eyes.

I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all the drug studies would be sent to our doctors. If the trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart attack vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk, does it? I read that somewhere. To me that sounds like a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody please explain this?

I agree, that high levels are not necessarily "high" because of the NCEP. Mike do you agree that LDL under 70 is not sustainable without statins?

Just my opinions and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> not an out of range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Dave: I had the same problem so I finally said good bye and started

interviewing cardiologists...now that's a difficult task. The people

who make the appointments can't believe that I'd want to interview

the doctor.

Lee...

The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque

build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as

a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which

showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the

statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my

health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my

doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would

take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her,

because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical

community, she is completely brainwashed.

Dave.

Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education

panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back

in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high

cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients

of some many more of us. That was the motive for that

new lowered level, right?

I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was

167. I wanted my quality of life back.

I know some members here probably had results way out

of range and maybe that is why they were urged to take

the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks.

But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was

never officially diagnosed with any arterial plaques,

my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to have

a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia

for for my diabetes for 6 years. Avandia is now

practically banned because of the increased risk of

heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc

would not do my screening colonoscopy, because of the

sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He did

not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I

think the stress test is more definitive than a

slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather

have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's

called, that can show the plaques, but it probably

wouldn't be covered under my insurance.

My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70.

He is the one who prescribed the Zocor as soon as my

total was 3 points over 200. I think that no one could

lower their LDL to that level below 70 without

medication. I tried the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years

thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not knowing why

I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The

internet and this group opened my eyes.

I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all

the drug studies would be sent to our doctors. If the

trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart attack

vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk,

does it? I read that somewhere. To me that sounds like

a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody please

explain this?

I agree, that high levels are not necessarily "high"

because of the NCEP. Mike do you agree that LDL under

70 is not sustainable without statins?

Just my opinions and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most important to know why you have high

cholesterol, if in fact it is

> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body

is balanced and there is

> not an out of range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ]

On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject: You Need

Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda,

you don't need statin drugs

> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your

cholesterol also, but it

> does it naturally and without all the terrible

side effects of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000

mg per day), then excess

> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally

converted to bile acid and then

> excreted. But that is just part of the process in

which vitamin C works to

> prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago

that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is

the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and

repair damaged arteries. But

> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just

ignored and dismissed his

> research, and they even refused to run clinical

tests to prove or disprove

> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have

been practically buried

> except for the internet, so the vast majority of

the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word

about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr.

ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of

cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least

1 or 2 grams per day of the

> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional

lysine because it was

> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the

arteries. This is what is

> called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin

C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to

read these well written and

> informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm>

http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm

and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm>

http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

My cholesterol level was also 240 for at least 10-15 years and suddenly the Doctor put me on Vytorin. I am going to try the vitamin C, 3 grams with the 1-2 grams of lysine (amino acid). Been having particularly bad pain in all the places originally affected. I assume due to immune system vulnerable due to deep congestion, coughing and then slicing my finger opening iron clad packaging on a $6 kitchen utensil the stores are afraid will be stolen. Boy am in a cynical mood today! But the Red Cross loves my platelets! Am I giving some unknowing person high cholesterol? McClureSubject:

Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not LipitorTo: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 4:03 PM

Mike S, I know it now.

I'm sure most of us found out the hard way, taking the statin without enough knowledge and thinking that doctors know everything. But, we are the ones who suffered, sometimes, permanently.

Connie

> >

> > It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact

> > it is high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced

> > and there is not an out of range factor.

> >

> > Mike S.

> >

> >

> >

> > From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> > [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> > To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> > Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin

> > drugs to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol

> > also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects

> of statin drugs.

> > If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then

> > excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile

> > acid and then excreted. But that is just part of the process in which

> > vitamin C works to prevent heart disease.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause

> > of cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of

> > sufficient vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged

> > arteries. But the lords of the medical/drug establishment just

> > ignored and dismissed his research, and they even refused to run

> > clinical tests to prove or disprove his findings. As a result, his

> > discoveries have been practically buried except for the internet, so

> > the vast majority of the public (and

> > cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

> >

> >

> >

> > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum

> > recommended dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular

> > disease was at least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2

> > grams per day of the amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional

> > lysine because it was found to help vitamin C heal and repair the

> > arteries. This is what is called the ing therapy.

> >

> >

> > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> > cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well

> > written and informative articles at

> >

> >

> > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> > <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly what baseline tests should we DEMAND? My yearly physical is coming up and I want the tests done before I meet with my doctor! I take nothing for pain. My cut finger hurts less with stitches than the what the Vytorin has permanently done to me. McClureSubject: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not LipitorTo: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 4:03 PM

Mike S, I know it now.

I'm sure most of us found out the hard way, taking the statin without enough knowledge and thinking that doctors know everything. But, we are the ones who suffered, sometimes, permanently.

Connie

> >

> > It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact

> > it is high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced

> > and there is not an out of range factor.

> >

> > Mike S.

> >

> >

> >

> > From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> > [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> > To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> > Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin

> > drugs to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol

> > also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects

> of statin drugs.

> > If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then

> > excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile

> > acid and then excreted. But that is just part of the process in which

> > vitamin C works to prevent heart disease.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause

> > of cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of

> > sufficient vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged

> > arteries. But the lords of the medical/drug establishment just

> > ignored and dismissed his research, and they even refused to run

> > clinical tests to prove or disprove his findings. As a result, his

> > discoveries have been practically buried except for the internet, so

> > the vast majority of the public (and

> > cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

> >

> >

> >

> > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum

> > recommended dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular

> > disease was at least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2

> > grams per day of the amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional

> > lysine because it was found to help vitamin C heal and repair the

> > arteries. This is what is called the ing therapy.

> >

> >

> > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> > cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well

> > written and informative articles at

> >

> >

> > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> > <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

The common thinking is that a reduction in inflammation will cause a decrease in cholesterol in the blood stream, as less is needed to repair the injured, inflamed tissues. This is the reason that statins have been shown to be effective is some testing, because as a side effect they do reduce inflammation.Mike S. From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of OlsonSent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:19 PMTo: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor Dave, most people take the statin with the perception it prevents artery plaque, but its just perception in the consumers mind. The drugs have never been shown to do such a thing. 100% agreed statins do NOT prevent plaque build up. All the risk is on the patient. Zero risk for the doctor. Therefore if your doctor insists on the statin, She needs to share in the risk. Its only fair. Your Doctor should deposit very large sums of cash into an escrow account. If you suffer injury from the drug, the cash is yours. If you don't encounter problems on the drug, She can have her cash back. When pushing drugs of folly, the pusher needs to share in the risk. Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:00 AMSubject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her, because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical community, she is completely brainwashed. Dave. Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us. That was the motive for that new lowered level, right? I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was 167. I wanted my quality of life back.I know some members here probably had results way out of range and maybe that is why they were urged to take the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks. But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was never officially diagnosed with any arterial plaques, my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to have a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia for for my diabetes for 6 years. Avandia is now practically banned because of the increased risk of heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc would not do my screening colonoscopy, because of the sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He did not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I think the stress test is more definitive than a slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's called, that can show the plaques, but it probably wouldn't be covered under my insurance.My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70. He is the one who prescribed the Zocor as soon as my total was 3 points over 200. I think that no one could lower their LDL to that level below 70 without medication. I tried the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not knowing why I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The internet and this group opened my eyes. I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all the drug studies would be sent to our doctors. If the trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart attack vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk, does it? I read that somewhere. To me that sounds like a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody please explain this?I agree, that high levels are not necessarily " high " because of the NCEP. Mike do you agree that LDL under 70 is not sustainable without statins?Just my opinions and experience.Connie >> It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is> not an out of range factor.> > Mike S.> > > > From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt > [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt > Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor> > > > > > > > > > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it> does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then> excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to> prevent heart disease.> > > > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his> research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried> except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.> > > > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is> called the ing therapy.> > > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and> informative articles at> > > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm>

[Guest guest]

Lee, I like that! Interview the doctor. When ya stop and think about it, it makes sense. If you have a remodeling project around the house, you are going to meet with 3 contractors, talk with them, then pick which one you want to give the job to. That should apply to healthcare. Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Dave: I had the same problem so I finally said good bye and started

interviewing cardiologists...now that's a difficult task. The people

who make the appointments can't believe that I'd want to interview

the doctor.

Lee...

The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque

build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as

a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which

showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the

statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my

health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my

doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would

take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her,

because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical

community, she is completely brainwashed.

Dave.

Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education

panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back

in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high

cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients

of some many more of us. That was the motive for that

new lowered level, right?

I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was

167. I wanted my quality of life back.

I know some members here probably had results way out

of range and maybe that is why they were urged to take

the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks.

But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was

never officially diagnosed with any arterial plaques,

my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to have

a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia

for for my diabetes for 6 years. Avandia is now

practically banned because of the increased risk of

heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc

would not do my screening colonoscopy, because of the

sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He did

not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I

think the stress test is more definitive than a

slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather

have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's

called, that can show the plaques, but it probably

wouldn't be covered under my insurance.

My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70.

He is the one who prescribed the Zocor as soon as my

total was 3 points over 200. I think that no one could

lower their LDL to that level below 70 without

medication. I tried the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years

thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not knowing why

I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The

internet and this group opened my eyes.

I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all

the drug studies would be sent to our doctors. If the

trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart attack

vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk,

does it? I read that somewhere. To me that sounds like

a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody please

explain this?

I agree, that high levels are not necessarily "high"

because of the NCEP. Mike do you agree that LDL under

70 is not sustainable without statins?

Just my opinions and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most important to know why you have high

cholesterol, if in fact it is

> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body

is balanced and there is

> not an out of range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ]

On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject: You Need

Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda,

you don't need statin drugs

> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your

cholesterol also, but it

> does it naturally and without all the terrible

side effects of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000

mg per day), then excess

> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally

converted to bile acid and then

> excreted. But that is just part of the process in

which vitamin C works to

> prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago

that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is

the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and

repair damaged arteries. But

> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just

ignored and dismissed his

> research, and they even refused to run clinical

tests to prove or disprove

> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have

been practically buried

> except for the internet, so the vast majority of

the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word

about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr.

ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of

cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least

1 or 2 grams per day of the

> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional

lysine because it was

> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the

arteries. This is what is

> called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin

C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to

read these well written and

> informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm>

http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm

and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm>

http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Lee, I like that! Interview the doctor. When ya stop and think about it, it makes sense. If you have a remodeling project around the house, you are going to meet with 3 contractors, talk with them, then pick which one you want to give the job to. That should apply to healthcare. Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Dave: I had the same problem so I finally said good bye and started

interviewing cardiologists...now that's a difficult task. The people

who make the appointments can't believe that I'd want to interview

the doctor.

Lee...

The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque

build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as

a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which

showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the

statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my

health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my

doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would

take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her,

because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical

community, she is completely brainwashed.

Dave.

Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education

panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back

in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high

cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients

of some many more of us. That was the motive for that

new lowered level, right?

I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was

167. I wanted my quality of life back.

I know some members here probably had results way out

of range and maybe that is why they were urged to take

the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks.

But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was

never officially diagnosed with any arterial plaques,

my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to have

a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia

for for my diabetes for 6 years. Avandia is now

practically banned because of the increased risk of

heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc

would not do my screening colonoscopy, because of the

sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He did

not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I

think the stress test is more definitive than a

slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather

have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's

called, that can show the plaques, but it probably

wouldn't be covered under my insurance.

My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70.

He is the one who prescribed the Zocor as soon as my

total was 3 points over 200. I think that no one could

lower their LDL to that level below 70 without

medication. I tried the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years

thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not knowing why

I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The

internet and this group opened my eyes.

I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all

the drug studies would be sent to our doctors. If the

trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart attack

vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk,

does it? I read that somewhere. To me that sounds like

a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody please

explain this?

I agree, that high levels are not necessarily "high"

because of the NCEP. Mike do you agree that LDL under

70 is not sustainable without statins?

Just my opinions and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most important to know why you have high

cholesterol, if in fact it is

> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body

is balanced and there is

> not an out of range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ]

On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject: You Need

Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda,

you don't need statin drugs

> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your

cholesterol also, but it

> does it naturally and without all the terrible

side effects of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000

mg per day), then excess

> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally

converted to bile acid and then

> excreted. But that is just part of the process in

which vitamin C works to

> prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago

that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is

the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and

repair damaged arteries. But

> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just

ignored and dismissed his

> research, and they even refused to run clinical

tests to prove or disprove

> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have

been practically buried

> except for the internet, so the vast majority of

the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word

about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr.

ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of

cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least

1 or 2 grams per day of the

> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional

lysine because it was

> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the

arteries. This is what is

> called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin

C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to

read these well written and

> informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm>

http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm

and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm>

http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, your advice would not work. As a Canadian, I do not pay directly for medical services, including doctor visits. Instead, I am going to fire my doctor and find another. This route appears easier than a 2 x 4, as I no longer have sufficient muscle mass to make a dent.

Dave, I disagree that it would take a 2x4. I think you should use a 2x6. OK just kidding. But honestly when they try to put you on a statin I think the best way to get their attention is "Doctor, you push a statin on me and you forfeit your office visit fee."If all of America would just refuse payment to physicians who push statins, maybe the message would get out. Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her, because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical community, she is completely brainwashed.Dave.

Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us. That was the motive for that new lowered level, right?

I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was 167. I wanted my quality of life back.

I know some members here probably had results way out of range and maybe that is why they were urged to take the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks. But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was never officially diagnosed with any arterial plaques, my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to have a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia for for my diabetes for 6 years. Avandia is now practically banned because of the increased risk of heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc would not do my screening colonoscopy, because of the sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He did not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I think the stress test is more definitive than a slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's called, that can show the plaques, but it probably wouldn't be covered under my insurance.

My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70. He is the one who prescribed the Zocor as soon as my total was 3 points over 200. I think that no one could lower their LDL to that level below 70 without medication. I tried the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not knowing why I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The internet and this group opened my eyes.

I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all the drug studies would be sent to our doctors. If the trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart attack vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk, does it? I read that somewhere. To me that sounds like a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody please explain this?

I agree, that high levels are not necessarily "high" because of the NCEP. Mike do you agree that LDL under 70 is not sustainable without statins?

Just my opinions and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> not an out of range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

So, is there anything else that could reduce inflammation than taking statins,

like a supplement? I would rather do anything other than take a statin again.

I thought maybe something like vitamin E or CoQ10 could keep the arteries supple

and then they would be able to dialate with the beating of your heart without

cracking like an old tire.

I once asked my doctor why my mom, who always had low blood pressure, eventually

needed blood pressure medication. He said that with aging the arteries don't

dialate as well as when you are younger, and since they don't stretch as well,

the pressure increases. So it sounds like something to keep the arteries supple

would lower inflammation. Just my thinking.

Connie

> >

> > It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> > high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> > not an out of range factor.

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> > Mike S.

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> > From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

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> > [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt

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> > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> > To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

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> > Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

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> > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> > to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> > does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> > If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> > cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> > excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> > prevent heart disease.

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> > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> > cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> > vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> > the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> > research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> > his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> > except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> > cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

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> > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> > dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> > least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> > amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> > found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> > called the ing therapy.

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> > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> > cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> > informative articles at

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> > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> > <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

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