You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

[Guest guest]

Your right, that wouldn't work in socialized medicine. Have you had muscle biopsy? What about hormone testing?Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Unfortunately, your advice would not work. As a Canadian, I do not pay directly for medical services, including doctor visits. Instead, I am going to fire my doctor and find another. This route appears easier than a 2 x 4, as I no longer have sufficient muscle mass to make a dent.

Dave, I disagree that it would take a 2x4. I think you should use a 2x6. OK just kidding. But honestly when they try to put you on a statin I think the best way to get their attention is "Doctor, you push a statin on me and you forfeit your office visit fee."If all of America would just refuse payment to physicians who push statins, maybe the message would get out. Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination

Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent:

Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her, because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical community, she is completely brainwashed.Dave.

Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us. That was the motive for that new lowered level, right?

I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was 167. I wanted my quality of life back.

I know some members here probably had results way out of range and maybe that is why they were urged to take the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks. But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was never officially diagnosed with any arterial plaques, my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to have a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia for for my diabetes for 6 years. Avandia is now practically banned because of the increased risk of heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc would not do my screening colonoscopy, because of the sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He did not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I think the stress test is more definitive than a slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's called, that can show the plaques, but it probably wouldn't be covered under my insurance.

My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70. He is the one who prescribed the Zocor as soon as my total was 3 points over 200. I think that no one could lower their LDL to that level below 70 without medication. I tried the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not knowing why I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The internet and this group opened my eyes.

I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all the drug studies would be sent to our doctors. If the trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart attack vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk, does it? I read that somewhere. To me that sounds like a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody please explain this?

I agree, that high levels are not necessarily "high" because of the NCEP. Mike do you agree that LDL under 70 is not sustainable without statins?

Just my opinions and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> not an out of range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Your right, that wouldn't work in socialized medicine. Have you had muscle biopsy? What about hormone testing?Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Unfortunately, your advice would not work. As a Canadian, I do not pay directly for medical services, including doctor visits. Instead, I am going to fire my doctor and find another. This route appears easier than a 2 x 4, as I no longer have sufficient muscle mass to make a dent.

Dave, I disagree that it would take a 2x4. I think you should use a 2x6. OK just kidding. But honestly when they try to put you on a statin I think the best way to get their attention is "Doctor, you push a statin on me and you forfeit your office visit fee."If all of America would just refuse payment to physicians who push statins, maybe the message would get out. Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination

Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent:

Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her, because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical community, she is completely brainwashed.Dave.

Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us. That was the motive for that new lowered level, right?

I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was 167. I wanted my quality of life back.

I know some members here probably had results way out of range and maybe that is why they were urged to take the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks. But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was never officially diagnosed with any arterial plaques, my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to have a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia for for my diabetes for 6 years. Avandia is now practically banned because of the increased risk of heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc would not do my screening colonoscopy, because of the sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He did not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I think the stress test is more definitive than a slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's called, that can show the plaques, but it probably wouldn't be covered under my insurance.

My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70. He is the one who prescribed the Zocor as soon as my total was 3 points over 200. I think that no one could lower their LDL to that level below 70 without medication. I tried the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not knowing why I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The internet and this group opened my eyes.

I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all the drug studies would be sent to our doctors. If the trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart attack vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk, does it? I read that somewhere. To me that sounds like a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody please explain this?

I agree, that high levels are not necessarily "high" because of the NCEP. Mike do you agree that LDL under 70 is not sustainable without statins?

Just my opinions and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> not an out of range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

My question was really: does ANYONE need to " lower their cholesterol " ?

Linden

Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Linden:   I'm afraid you misread or misinterpreted the first paragraph

of my post.  I was not assuming that everyone needs to lower their

cholesterol.  To clarify it, I only meant to say that IF you have high

cholesterol, then vitamin C will lower it to a normal range by

eliminating from the body only the EXCESS cholesterol in the

bloodstream.  Unlike the statins, vitamin C is safe because it does not

block the body's production of new cholesterol.

 

My intent was to point out that statin drugs are totally unnecessary,

and that no one needs to be afraid they will have a heart attack if

they don't take them.  That is just a fear mongering tactic used by Big

Pharma and their cardiologists to maximize sales and profits.  Vitamin

C will greatly reduce your chances of a heart attack because it

actually heals the arteries and prevents cardiovascular disease. 

Anyway, I hope everyone will read the articles referenced in the links.

[Guest guest]

I did not fire my doctor, just refused statins. I did fire the cardiologist however. To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin

C, Not Lipitor

Unfortunately, your advice would not work. As a Canadian, I do not pay directly for medical services, including doctor visits. Instead, I am going to fire my doctor and find another. This route appears easier than a 2 x 4, as I no longer have sufficient muscle mass to make a dent.

Dave, I disagree that it would take a 2x4. I think you should use a 2x6. OK just kidding. But honestly when they try to put you on a statin I think the best way to get their attention is "Doctor, you push a statin on me and you forfeit your office visit fee."If all of America would just refuse payment to physicians who push statins, maybe the message would get out. Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination

Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent:

Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her, because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical community, she is completely brainwashed.Dave.

Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us. That was the motive for that new lowered level, right?

I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was 167. I wanted my quality of life back.

I know some members here probably had results way out of range and maybe that is why they were urged to take the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks. But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was never officially diagnosed with any arterial plaques, my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to have a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia for for my diabetes for 6 years. Avandia is now practically banned because of the increased risk of heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc would not do my screening colonoscopy, because of the sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He did not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I think the stress test is more definitive than a slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's called, that can show the plaques, but it probably wouldn't be covered under my insurance.

My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70. He is the one who prescribed the Zocor as soon as my total was 3 points over 200. I think that no one could lower their LDL to that level below 70 without medication. I tried the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not knowing why I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The internet and this group opened my eyes.

I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all the drug studies would be sent to our doctors. If the trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart attack vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk, does it? I read that somewhere. To me that sounds like a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody please explain this?

I agree, that high levels are not necessarily "high" because of the NCEP. Mike do you agree that LDL under 70 is not sustainable without statins?

Just my opinions and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> not an out of range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> prevent heart disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

>

>

>

> From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> called the ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> informative articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

I'm with you on this Linden, and was trying to get too it by asking simple

questions.eg; what purpose is cholesterol used for in. The body, who says what

their level should be; how many people die of cholesterol poisoning?

We need to lead some of our members to the 'correct conclusion'

Pamela

>

> My question was really: does ANYONE need to " lower their cholesterol " ?

> Linden

>

>

> Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Linden:   I'm afraid you misread or misinterpreted the first paragraph

> of my post.  I was not assuming that everyone needs to lower their

> cholesterol.  To clarify it, I only meant to say that IF you have high

> cholesterol, then vitamin C will lower it to a normal range by

> eliminating from the body only the EXCESS cholesterol in the

> bloodstream.  Unlike the statins, vitamin C is safe because it does not

> block the body's production of new cholesterol.

>  

> My intent was to point out that statin drugs are totally unnecessary,

> and that no one needs to be afraid they will have a heart attack if

> they don't take them.  That is just a fear mongering tactic used by Big

> Pharma and their cardiologists to maximize sales and profits.  Vitamin

> C will greatly reduce your chances of a heart attack because it

> actually heals the arteries and prevents cardiovascular disease. 

> Anyway, I hope everyone will read the articles referenced in the links.

>

[Guest guest]

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Mike

You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin

> > drugs to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol

> > also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects

of statin drugs.

> > If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then

> > excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile

> > acid and then excreted. But that is just part of the process in

> > which vitamin C works to prevent heart disease.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause

> > of cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of

> > sufficient vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair

> > damaged arteries. But the lords of the medical/drug establishment

> > just ignored and dismissed his research, and they even refused to

> > run clinical tests to prove or disprove his findings. As a result,

> > his discoveries have been practically buried except for the

> > internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> > cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

> >

> >

> >

> > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum

> > recommended dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular

> > disease was at least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or

> > 2 grams per day of the amino acid lysine. He recommended the

> > additional lysine because it was found to help vitamin C heal and

> > repair the arteries. This is what is called the ing therapy.

> >

> >

> > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> > cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well

> > written and informative articles at

> >

> >

> > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> > <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Bobby:Medicare in the USAQ is socialized medicine, and statin refusal, change of doctor works just fine. I know that other countries have differing types of single payer medicine and I would like to hear from those who have not been able to make changes in their health care that they thought were warranted. Being your own advocate is just the beginning of your medical education, it is ongoing with every little change and nuance in your condition, be it physical or Dr. related. If you are not armed, you lose.If patients don’t do the necessary research and study, then they have no grounds to complain about their medical care, in my opinion.Mike S From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of OlsonSent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:10 PMTo: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor Your right, that wouldn't work in socialized medicine. Have you had muscle biopsy? What about hormone testing? Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:22 AMSubject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor Unfortunately, your advice would not work. As a Canadian, I do not pay directly for medical services, including doctor visits. Instead, I am going to fire my doctor and find another. This route appears easier than a 2 x 4, as I no longer have sufficient muscle mass to make a dent. Dave, I disagree that it would take a 2x4. I think you should use a 2x6. OK just kidding. But honestly when they try to put you on a statin I think the best way to get their attention is " Doctor, you push a statin on me and you forfeit your office visit fee. " If all of America would just refuse payment to physicians who push statins, maybe the message would get out. Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Turgeon Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:00 AMSubject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her, because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical community, she is completely brainwashed. Dave. Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us. That was the motive for that new lowered level, right? I never felt so awful as when my Total Cholesterol was 167. I wanted my quality of life back.I know some members here probably had results way out of range and maybe that is why they were urged to take the statins. Maybe some already had heart attacks. But, I didn't have a previous heart attack and was never officially diagnosed with any arterial plaques, my only risk factor was type 2 diabetes. I had to have a stress test to check my heart because I took Avandia for for my diabetes for 6 years. Avandia is now practically banned because of the increased risk of heart attacks when taking the drug. My gastro doc would not do my screening colonoscopy, because of the sedation, without an OK from the cardiologist. He did not say I had any plaques or any partial blockages. I think the stress test is more definitive than a slightly elevated cholesterol level. I would rather have one of those tests, I can't remember what it's called, that can show the plaques, but it probably wouldn't be covered under my insurance.My doc who treats my diabetes wants my LDL below 70. He is the one who prescribed the Zocor as soon as my total was 3 points over 200. I think that no one could lower their LDL to that level below 70 without medication. I tried the Zocor 10mg for over 6 years thinking I had a lowered risk for CVD, not knowing why I felt so miserable between the ages of 45 and 50. The internet and this group opened my eyes. I wish that the real results of reduced risk of all the drug studies would be sent to our doctors. If the trial says that 3% taking a placebo had a heart attack vs 2% didn't, does not equate to 33% lowered risk, does it? I read that somewhere. To me that sounds like a 1% lower risk, am I wrong? Could somebody please explain this?I agree, that high levels are not necessarily " high " because of the NCEP. Mike do you agree that LDL under 70 is not sustainable without statins?Just my opinions and experience.Connie >> It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is> high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is> not an out of range factor.> > Mike S.> > > > From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt > [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt > Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor> > > > > > > > > > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs> to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it> does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.> If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess> cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then> excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to> prevent heart disease.> > > > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of> cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient> vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But> the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his> research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove> his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried> except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and> cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.> > > > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended> dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at> least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the> amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was> found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is> called the ing therapy.> > > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent> cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and> informative articles at> > > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm>

[Guest guest]

Connie, What you are looking for to keep arteries supple is an amino acid called L-Arginine. The arginine makes Nitric Oxide which helps relax arteries and make them "supple" as you stated. But there are precautions. L- arginine is $4 at Walmart. Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

So, is there anything else that could reduce inflammation than taking statins, like a supplement? I would rather do anything other than take a statin again. I thought maybe something like vitamin E or CoQ10 could keep the arteries supple and then they would be able to dialate with the beating of your heart without cracking like an old tire.

I once asked my doctor why my mom, who always had low blood pressure, eventually needed blood pressure medication. He said that with aging the arteries don't dialate as well as when you are younger, and since they don't stretch as well, the pressure increases. So it sounds like something to keep the arteries supple would lower inflammation. Just my thinking.

Connie

> >

> > It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact it is

> > high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced and there is

> > not an out of range factor.

> >

> > Mike S.

> >

> >

> >

> > From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt <mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt%40yahoogroups.com>

> > [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt <mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of chas

> > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

> > To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt <mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin drugs

> > to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol also, but it

> > does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects of statin drugs.

> > If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then excess

> > cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile acid and then

> > excreted. But that is just part of the process in which vitamin C works to

> > prevent heart disease.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause of

> > cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of sufficient

> > vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged arteries. But

> > the lords of the medical/drug establishment just ignored and dismissed his

> > research, and they even refused to run clinical tests to prove or disprove

> > his findings. As a result, his discoveries have been practically buried

> > except for the internet, so the vast majority of the public (and

> > cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

> >

> >

> >

> > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum recommended

> > dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular disease was at

> > least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2 grams per day of the

> > amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional lysine because it was

> > found to help vitamin C heal and repair the arteries. This is what is

> > called the ing therapy.

> >

> >

> > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

> > cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well written and

> > informative articles at

> >

> >

> > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

> > <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, how on earth did we manage for thousands of years without them eh?

e

Subject: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not LipitorTo: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012, 7:20 AM

My question was really: does ANYONE need to "lower their cholesterol"?Linden Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not LipitorLinden: I'm afraid you misread or misinterpreted the first paragraph of my post. I was not assuming that everyone needs to lower their cholesterol. To clarify it, I only meant to say that IF you have high cholesterol, then

vitamin C will lower it to a normal range by eliminating from the body only the EXCESS cholesterol in the bloodstream. Unlike the statins, vitamin C is safe because it does not block the body's production of new cholesterol. My intent was to point out that statin drugs are totally unnecessary, and that no one needs to be afraid they will have a heart attack if they don't take them. That is just a fear mongering tactic used by Big Pharma and their cardiologists to maximize sales and profits. Vitamin C will greatly reduce your chances of a heart attack because it actually heals the arteries and prevents cardiovascular disease. Anyway, I hope everyone will read the articles referenced in the links.

[Guest guest]

,

Be sure your doctor is casting a wide net on the bloodwork. In the past six

months we discovered that I had a vitamin D deficiency. This deficiency caused

the side affects to be worse. Pravastatin and Lipitor affected my quality of

life... but we have finally found the right combination. I am very fortunate

to have a doctor who listens and puts patient care above the pharmaceutics.

Switched to Crestor (only 10 mg which I can tolerate), take CoQ10 300 mg daily

and a vitamin D supplement. Also found a sleep aid that has fish oil in

addition to the melatonin. My numbers are not as " beautiful " as when I was

taking the Lipitor, but I felt I was not living. We have compromised to a

combination that works and keeps me out of the danger zone. Be sure to have

your Vitamin D checked. I've also gone to an almost vegetarian diet... it took

a lot of changes in my life to find the right balance for my health. Hope

you find yours. I am living again

Below are the things my doc checked on my last visit (she checks these every

four-six months):

Lipid Panel

Microalbumin/Creatinine ratio

Hemoglobin A1c

Hepatic Function Panel

Basic Metabolic Panel w.EGFR

Protein C and Protein S, Functional

Vitamin D

Prothrombin

Homocysteine, cardiovascular

Anachoice screen

Antithrombin

Fibrinogen

Tracey

>

> > >

>

> > > It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact

>

> > > it is high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced

>

> > > and there is not an out of range factor.

>

> > >

>

> > > Mike S.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

>

> > > [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

>

> > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

>

> > > To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

>

> > > Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin

>

> > > drugs to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol

>

> > > also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects

>

> > of statin drugs.

>

> > > If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then

>

> > > excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile

>

> > > acid and then excreted. But that is just part of the process in which

>

> > > vitamin C works to prevent heart disease.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause

>

> > > of cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of

>

> > > sufficient vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged

>

> > > arteries. But the lords of the medical/drug establishment just

>

> > > ignored and dismissed his research, and they even refused to run

>

> > > clinical tests to prove or disprove his findings. As a result, his

>

> > > discoveries have been practically buried except for the internet, so

>

> > > the vast majority of the public (and

>

> > > cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum

>

> > > recommended dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular

>

> > > disease was at least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2

>

> > > grams per day of the amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional

>

> > > lysine because it was found to help vitamin C heal and repair the

>

> > > arteries. This is what is called the ing therapy.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

>

> > > cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well

>

> > > written and informative articles at

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

>

> > > <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Holy Moses! Did Moses get his cholesterol tested?Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Sent: Sunday, March

18, 2012 7:30 AM Subject: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Well, how on earth did we manage for thousands of years without them eh?

e

Subject: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not LipitorTo: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012, 7:20 AM

My question was really: does ANYONE need to "lower their cholesterol"?Linden Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not LipitorLinden: I'm afraid you misread or misinterpreted the first paragraph of my post. I was not assuming that everyone needs to lower their cholesterol. To clarify it, I only meant to say that IF you have high cholesterol, then

vitamin C will lower it to a normal range by eliminating from the body only the EXCESS cholesterol in the bloodstream. Unlike the statins, vitamin C is safe because it does not block the body's production of new cholesterol. My intent was to point out that statin drugs are totally unnecessary, and that no one needs to be afraid they will have a heart attack if they don't take them. That is just a fear mongering tactic used by Big Pharma and their cardiologists to maximize sales and profits. Vitamin C will greatly reduce your chances of a heart attack because it actually heals the arteries and prevents cardiovascular disease. Anyway, I hope everyone will read the articles referenced in the links.

[Guest guest]

Boy do I agree with that, Doctors simply do not have the time to

research the problems with every patient. Their solutions are based

on the norm. It's the patient that needs to carry the ball and team

up with the doctor. I found out the hard way after the doctor

prescribed a statin and it was 18 months before I realized it had

done its damage.

Now I research anything that my doctor prescribes

Lee...

Bobby:

Medicare

in the USAQ is socialized medicine, and statin refusal,

change of doctor works just fine. I know that other

countries have differing types of single payer medicine and

I would like to hear from those who have not been able to

make changes in their health care that they thought were

warranted. Being your own advocate is just the beginning of

your medical education, it is ongoing with every little

change and nuance in your condition, be it physical or Dr.

related. If you are not armed, you lose.

If

patients don’t do the necessary research and study, then

they have no grounds to complain about their medical care,

in my opinion.

Mike

S

 

From:

TakingLipitorAndHateIt

[mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On

Behalf Of Olson

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:10 PM

To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

Subject: Re: Re: You

Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

 

Your right, that wouldn't work in

socialized medicine. Have you had muscle biopsy? What

about hormone testing?

 

Bobby

 

Alternate email:   marooned@...

Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Planner

www.pinkystravel.com   

International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation

Packages

Philippine

Destination Specialist

 

From:

Turgeon

To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

Cc: Turgeon

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: Re: You

Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

 

 

Unfortunately, your advice

would not work. As a Canadian, I do not pay

directly for medical services, including

doctor visits. Instead, I am going to fire my

doctor and find another. This route appears

easier than a 2 x 4, as I no longer have

sufficient muscle mass to make a dent.

 

On 2012-03-15, at 2:55

PM, Olson wrote:

 

 

Dave, I disagree

that it would take a 2x4. I think

you should use a 2x6. OK just

kidding. 

 

But honestly

when they try to put you on a statin

 I think the best way to get their

attention is "Doctor, you push a

statin on me and you forfeit your

office visit fee."

 

If all of

America would just refuse payment to

physicians who push statins, maybe

the message would get out. 

 

Bobby

 

Alternate email:

  marooned@...

Bobby- Your Caribbean

Travel Planner

www.pinkystravel.com   

International Destinations,

Resorts, Vacation Packages

Philippine

Destination Specialist

 

From:

Turgeon

To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

Cc: Turgeon

Sent: Thursday, March 15,

2012 10:00 AM

Subject: Re:

Re: You

Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

 

 

The

main point to remember is

that statins do NOT

prevent plaque build up in

your arteries. I was on

Lipitor for several years,

as a preventative. Well, I

recently has a carotid

doppler test, which showed

some plaque build up in my

carotid artery. Obviously,

the statin was NOT

effective as a

prophylactic; all it did

was ruin my health, for

nothing! Even though it

was totally ineffective,

my doctor still tries to

push me back onto a

statin. I think it would

take a two-by-four over

the head to knock some

sense into her, because

logic just does not work.

Like most in the medical

community, she is

completely brainwashed.

 

Dave.

 

On

2012-03-13, at 3:09

PM, cls54721 wrote:

 

Mike,

if that NCEP

(national

cholesterol

education panel)

had not lowered

the levels, I

think it was back

in 2004, from 240

to 200, I wouldn't

have high

cholesterol. When

they lowered it,

they made patients

of some many more

of us. That was

the motive for

that new lowered

level, right?

I never felt so

awful as when my

Total Cholesterol

was 167. I wanted

my quality of life

back.

I know some

members here

probably had

results way out of

range and maybe

that is why they

were urged to take

the statins. Maybe

some already had

heart attacks.

But, I didn't have

a previous heart

attack and was

never officially

diagnosed with any

arterial plaques,

my only risk

factor was type 2

diabetes. I had to

have a stress test

to check my heart

because I took

Avandia for for my

diabetes for 6

years. Avandia is

now practically

banned because of

the increased risk

of heart attacks

when taking the

drug. My gastro

doc would not do

my screening

colonoscopy,

because of the

sedation, without

an OK from the

cardiologist. He

did not say I had

any plaques or any

partial blockages.

I think the stress

test is more

definitive than a

slightly elevated

cholesterol level.

I would rather

have one of those

tests, I can't

remember what it's

called, that can

show the plaques,

but it probably

wouldn't be

covered under my

insurance.

My doc who treats

my diabetes wants

my LDL below 70.

He is the one who

prescribed the

Zocor as soon as

my total was 3

points over 200. I

think that no one

could lower their

LDL to that level

below 70 without

medication. I

tried the Zocor

10mg for over 6

years thinking I

had a lowered risk

for CVD, not

knowing why I felt

so miserable

between the ages

of 45 and 50. The

internet and this

group opened my

eyes.

I wish that the

real results of

reduced risk of

all the drug

studies would be

sent to our

doctors. If the

trial says that 3%

taking a placebo

had a heart attack

vs 2% didn't, does

not equate to 33%

lowered risk, does

it? I read that

somewhere. To me

that sounds like a

1% lower risk, am

I wrong? Could

somebody please

explain this?

I agree, that high

levels are not

necessarily "high"

because of the

NCEP. Mike do you

agree that LDL

under 70 is not

sustainable

without statins?

Just my opinions

and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most

important to know

why you have high

cholesterol, if in

fact it is

> high. Got to

do the testing to

make sure the body

is balanced and

there is

> not an out of

range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ]

On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday,

March 11, 2012

10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject:

You Need Vitamin

C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to

big Pharma's

marketing

propaganda, you

don't need statin

drugs

> to lower

cholesterol.

Vitamin C will

lower your

cholesterol also,

but it

> does it

naturally and

without all the

terrible side

effects of statin

drugs.

> If your body

gets enough

vitamin C (at

least 3000 mg per

day), then excess

> cholesterol

in the bloodstream

is naturally

converted to bile

acid and then

> excreted. But

that is just part

of the process in

which vitamin C

works to

> prevent heart

disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus

ing discovered

almost 20 years

ago that the root

cause of

>

cardiovascular

disease is not

cholesterol, it is

the lack of

sufficient

> vitamin C

necessary for the

body to heal and

repair damaged

arteries. But

> the lords of

the medical/drug

establishment just

ignored and

dismissed his

> research, and

they even refused

to run clinical

tests to prove or

disprove

> his findings.

As a result, his

discoveries have

been practically

buried

> except for

the internet, so

the vast majority

of the public (and

>

cardiologists)

have never heard

or read a word

about it.

>

>

>

> From further

research, I

learned that Dr.

ing's minimum

recommended

> dosage for

prevention or even

reversal of

cardiovascular

disease was at

> least 3 grams

of vitamin C per

day, and at least

1 or 2 grams per

day of the

> amino acid

lysine. He

recommended the

additional lysine

because it was

> found to help

vitamin C heal and

repair the

arteries. This is

what is

> called the

ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller

explaination of

how and why

vitamin C works to

prevent

>

cardiovascular

disease, I would

urge everyone to

read these well

written and

> informative

articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm>

http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm

and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm>

http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, there is not a legitimate study anywhere that shows statins to be

effective for women, especially middle age and post menopause. So there is

no reason for you taking statins, unless, you have some uncontrollable lipid

issue that might benefit from statins, which I doubt.

Low cholesterol in women is known to reduce life span.

This battery of test is a first step, but some important tests were not

done:

Hormones and hormone balance

Free T3 and Free T4 (Next to Vit. D., this most important test)

C Reactive Protein HS

A 1 C blood glucose

Vitamin B12 (Folate)

CO Q 10

Secondly, it is important to get supplements that do work. There are lots

that don't and Vit D is one of them. Only testing will tell if your

supplements are effective.

Mike S

,

Be sure your doctor is casting a wide net on the bloodwork. In the past

six months we discovered that I had a vitamin D deficiency. This

deficiency caused the side affects to be worse. Pravastatin and Lipitor

affected my quality of life... but we have finally found the right

combination. I am very fortunate to have a doctor who listens and puts

patient care above the pharmaceutics. Switched to Crestor (only 10 mg

which I can tolerate), take CoQ10 300 mg daily and a vitamin D supplement.

Also found a sleep aid that has fish oil in addition to the melatonin. My

numbers are not as " beautiful " as when I was taking the Lipitor, but I felt

I was not living. We have compromised to a combination that works and

keeps me out of the danger zone. Be sure to have your Vitamin D checked.

I've also gone to an almost vegetarian diet... it took a lot of changes in

my life to find the right balance for my health. Hope you find yours.

I am living again

Below are the things my doc checked on my last visit (she checks these every

four-six months):

Lipid Panel

Microalbumin/Creatinine ratio

Hemoglobin A1c

Hepatic Function Panel

Basic Metabolic Panel w.EGFR

Protein C and Protein S, Functional

Vitamin D

Prothrombin

Homocysteine, cardiovascular

Anachoice screen

Antithrombin

Fibrinogen

Tracey

[Guest guest]

Tracey, whats the danger zone?Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:28 AM Subject: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

,

Be sure your doctor is casting a wide net on the bloodwork. In the past six months we discovered that I had a vitamin D deficiency. This deficiency caused the side affects to be worse. Pravastatin and Lipitor affected my quality of life... but we have finally found the right combination. I am very fortunate to have a doctor who listens and puts patient care above the pharmaceutics. Switched to Crestor (only 10 mg which I can tolerate), take CoQ10 300 mg daily and a vitamin D supplement. Also found a sleep aid that has fish oil in addition to the melatonin. My numbers are not as "beautiful" as when I was taking the Lipitor, but I felt I was not living. We have compromised to a combination that works and keeps me out of the danger zone. Be sure to have your Vitamin D checked. I've also gone to an almost vegetarian diet... it took a lot of changes in my life to find the right balance for my health. Hope you find yours. I am living

again

Below are the things my doc checked on my last visit (she checks these every four-six months):

Lipid Panel

Microalbumin/Creatinine ratio

Hemoglobin A1c

Hepatic Function Panel

Basic Metabolic Panel w.EGFR

Protein C and Protein S, Functional

Vitamin D

Prothrombin

Homocysteine, cardiovascular

Anachoice screen

Antithrombin

Fibrinogen

Tracey

>

> > >

>

> > > It is most important to know why you have high cholesterol, if in fact

>

> > > it is high. Got to do the testing to make sure the body is balanced

>

> > > and there is not an out of range factor.

>

> > >

>

> > > Mike S.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

>

> > > [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

>

> > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:05 PM

>

> > > To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

>

> > > Subject: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Contrary to big Pharma's marketing propaganda, you don't need statin

>

> > > drugs to lower cholesterol. Vitamin C will lower your cholesterol

>

> > > also, but it does it naturally and without all the terrible side effects

>

> > of statin drugs.

>

> > > If your body gets enough vitamin C (at least 3000 mg per day), then

>

> > > excess cholesterol in the bloodstream is naturally converted to bile

>

> > > acid and then excreted. But that is just part of the process in which

>

> > > vitamin C works to prevent heart disease.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Dr. Linus ing discovered almost 20 years ago that the root cause

>

> > > of cardiovascular disease is not cholesterol, it is the lack of

>

> > > sufficient vitamin C necessary for the body to heal and repair damaged

>

> > > arteries. But the lords of the medical/drug establishment just

>

> > > ignored and dismissed his research, and they even refused to run

>

> > > clinical tests to prove or disprove his findings. As a result, his

>

> > > discoveries have been practically buried except for the internet, so

>

> > > the vast majority of the public (and

>

> > > cardiologists) have never heard or read a word about it.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > From further research, I learned that Dr. ing's minimum

>

> > > recommended dosage for prevention or even reversal of cardiovascular

>

> > > disease was at least 3 grams of vitamin C per day, and at least 1 or 2

>

> > > grams per day of the amino acid lysine. He recommended the additional

>

> > > lysine because it was found to help vitamin C heal and repair the

>

> > > arteries. This is what is called the ing therapy.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > For a fuller explaination of how and why vitamin C works to prevent

>

> > > cardiovascular disease, I would urge everyone to read these well

>

> > > written and informative articles at

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

>

> > > <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Bobby,No, I have not had a muscle biopsy, as it would only tell me what I already know. Having quit statins entirely a year ago, I find my muscle mass and endurance is improving each month. However, the rheumatoid arthritis symptoms are probably permanent, I'm afraid.Yes, I had my hormone levels tested and found the statins had dropped my free testosterone to the level of non-existent. Needless to say, the toxic effects were many and severe, including depression, weakness and the arthritis. I now take hormone replacement on a daily basis. It has given me back my life. It is covered under my drug insurance plan, but anyone who needs it and doesn't have insurance will be paying $$$ for it.Dave.

Boy do I agree with that, Doctors simply do not have the time to

research the problems with every patient. Their solutions are based

on the norm. It's the patient that needs to carry the ball and team

up with the doctor. I found out the hard way after the doctor

prescribed a statin and it was 18 months before I realized it had

done its damage.

Now I research anything that my doctor prescribes

Lee...

Bobby:Medicare

in the USAQ is socialized medicine, and statin refusal,

change of doctor works just fine. I know that other

countries have differing types of single payer medicine and

I would like to hear from those who have not been able to

make changes in their health care that they thought were

warranted. Being your own advocate is just the beginning of

your medical education, it is ongoing with every little

change and nuance in your condition, be it physical or Dr.

related. If you are not armed, you lose.If

patients don’t do the necessary research and study, then

they have no grounds to complain about their medical care,

in my opinion.Mike

S

From:

TakingLipitorAndHateIt

[mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On

Behalf Of Olson

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:10 PM

To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

Subject: Re: Re: You

Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Your right, that wouldn't work in

socialized medicine. Have you had muscle biopsy? What

about hormone testing?

Bobby

Alternate email: marooned@...

Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Planner

www.pinkystravel.com

International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation

Packages

Philippine

Destination Specialist

From:

Turgeon

To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

Cc: Turgeon

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: Re: You

Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Unfortunately, your advice

would not work. As a Canadian, I do not pay

directly for medical services, including

doctor visits. Instead, I am going to fire my

doctor and find another. This route appears

easier than a 2 x 4, as I no longer have

sufficient muscle mass to make a dent.

On 2012-03-15, at 2:55

PM, Olson wrote:

Dave, I disagree

that it would take a 2x4. I think

you should use a 2x6. OK just

kidding.

But honestly

when they try to put you on a statin

I think the best way to get their

attention is "Doctor, you push a

statin on me and you forfeit your

office visit fee."

If all of

America would just refuse payment to

physicians who push statins, maybe

the message would get out.

Bobby

Alternate email:

marooned@...

Bobby- Your Caribbean

Travel Planner

www.pinkystravel.com

International Destinations,

Resorts, Vacation Packages

Philippine

Destination Specialist

From:

Turgeon

To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

Cc: Turgeon

Sent: Thursday, March 15,

2012 10:00 AM

Subject: Re:

Re: You

Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

The

main point to remember is

that statins do NOT

prevent plaque build up in

your arteries. I was on

Lipitor for several years,

as a preventative. Well, I

recently has a carotid

doppler test, which showed

some plaque build up in my

carotid artery. Obviously,

the statin was NOT

effective as a

prophylactic; all it did

was ruin my health, for

nothing! Even though it

was totally ineffective,

my doctor still tries to

push me back onto a

statin. I think it would

take a two-by-four over

the head to knock some

sense into her, because

logic just does not work.

Like most in the medical

community, she is

completely brainwashed.

Dave.

On

2012-03-13, at 3:09

PM, cls54721 wrote:

Mike,

if that NCEP

(national

cholesterol

education panel)

had not lowered

the levels, I

think it was back

in 2004, from 240

to 200, I wouldn't

have high

cholesterol. When

they lowered it,

they made patients

of some many more

of us. That was

the motive for

that new lowered

level, right?

I never felt so

awful as when my

Total Cholesterol

was 167. I wanted

my quality of life

back.

I know some

members here

probably had

results way out of

range and maybe

that is why they

were urged to take

the statins. Maybe

some already had

heart attacks.

But, I didn't have

a previous heart

attack and was

never officially

diagnosed with any

arterial plaques,

my only risk

factor was type 2

diabetes. I had to

have a stress test

to check my heart

because I took

Avandia for for my

diabetes for 6

years. Avandia is

now practically

banned because of

the increased risk

of heart attacks

when taking the

drug. My gastro

doc would not do

my screening

colonoscopy,

because of the

sedation, without

an OK from the

cardiologist. He

did not say I had

any plaques or any

partial blockages.

I think the stress

test is more

definitive than a

slightly elevated

cholesterol level.

I would rather

have one of those

tests, I can't

remember what it's

called, that can

show the plaques,

but it probably

wouldn't be

covered under my

insurance.

My doc who treats

my diabetes wants

my LDL below 70.

He is the one who

prescribed the

Zocor as soon as

my total was 3

points over 200. I

think that no one

could lower their

LDL to that level

below 70 without

medication. I

tried the Zocor

10mg for over 6

years thinking I

had a lowered risk

for CVD, not

knowing why I felt

so miserable

between the ages

of 45 and 50. The

internet and this

group opened my

eyes.

I wish that the

real results of

reduced risk of

all the drug

studies would be

sent to our

doctors. If the

trial says that 3%

taking a placebo

had a heart attack

vs 2% didn't, does

not equate to 33%

lowered risk, does

it? I read that

somewhere. To me

that sounds like a

1% lower risk, am

I wrong? Could

somebody please

explain this?

I agree, that high

levels are not

necessarily "high"

because of the

NCEP. Mike do you

agree that LDL

under 70 is not

sustainable

without statins?

Just my opinions

and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most

important to know

why you have high

cholesterol, if in

fact it is

> high. Got to

do the testing to

make sure the body

is balanced and

there is

> not an out of

range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ]

On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday,

March 11, 2012

10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject:

You Need Vitamin

C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to

big Pharma's

marketing

propaganda, you

don't need statin

drugs

> to lower

cholesterol.

Vitamin C will

lower your

cholesterol also,

but it

> does it

naturally and

without all the

terrible side

effects of statin

drugs.

> If your body

gets enough

vitamin C (at

least 3000 mg per

day), then excess

> cholesterol

in the bloodstream

is naturally

converted to bile

acid and then

> excreted. But

that is just part

of the process in

which vitamin C

works to

> prevent heart

disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus

ing discovered

almost 20 years

ago that the root

cause of

>

cardiovascular

disease is not

cholesterol, it is

the lack of

sufficient

> vitamin C

necessary for the

body to heal and

repair damaged

arteries. But

> the lords of

the medical/drug

establishment just

ignored and

dismissed his

> research, and

they even refused

to run clinical

tests to prove or

disprove

> his findings.

As a result, his

discoveries have

been practically

buried

> except for

the internet, so

the vast majority

of the public (and

>

cardiologists)

have never heard

or read a word

about it.

>

>

>

> From further

research, I

learned that Dr.

ing's minimum

recommended

> dosage for

prevention or even

reversal of

cardiovascular

disease was at

> least 3 grams

of vitamin C per

day, and at least

1 or 2 grams per

day of the

> amino acid

lysine. He

recommended the

additional lysine

because it was

> found to help

vitamin C heal and

repair the

arteries. This is

what is

> called the

ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller

explaination of

how and why

vitamin C works to

prevent

>

cardiovascular

disease, I would

urge everyone to

read these well

written and

> informative

articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm>

http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm

and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm>

http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Dave, same thing happened to me with the niaspan. Free T levels are in the basement and won't recover. I would like to talk to you privately about the hormone replacement therapy your doing. Any advice from your experience would be appreciated. My email is: flyinresorts@...Thanks,Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Bobby,No, I have not had a muscle biopsy, as it would only tell me what I already know. Having quit statins entirely a year ago, I find my muscle mass and endurance is improving each month. However, the rheumatoid arthritis symptoms are probably permanent, I'm afraid.Yes, I had my hormone levels tested and found the statins had dropped my free testosterone to the level of non-existent. Needless to say, the toxic effects were many and severe, including depression, weakness and the arthritis. I now take hormone replacement on a daily basis. It has given me back my life. It is covered under my drug insurance plan, but anyone who needs it and doesn't have insurance will be paying $$$ for it.Dave.

Boy do I agree with that, Doctors simply do not have the time to

research the problems with every patient. Their solutions are based

on the norm. It's the patient that needs to carry the ball and team

up with the doctor. I found out the hard way after the doctor

prescribed a statin and it was 18 months before I realized it had

done its damage.

Now I research anything that my doctor prescribes

Lee...

Bobby:Medicare

in the USAQ is socialized medicine, and statin refusal,

change of doctor works just fine. I know that other

countries have differing types of single payer medicine and

I would like to hear from those who have not been able to

make changes in their health care that they thought were

warranted. Being your own advocate is just the beginning of

your medical education, it is ongoing with every little

change and nuance in your condition, be it physical or Dr.

related. If you are not armed, you lose.If

patients don’t do the necessary research and study, then

they have no grounds to complain about their medical care,

in my opinion.Mike

S

From:

TakingLipitorAndHateIt

[mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On

Behalf Of Olson

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:10 PM

To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

Subject: Re: Re: You

Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Your right, that wouldn't work in

socialized medicine. Have you had muscle biopsy? What

about hormone testing?

Bobby

Alternate email: marooned@...

Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Planner

www.pinkystravel.com

International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation

Packages

Philippine

Destination Specialist

From:

Turgeon

To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

Cc: Turgeon

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: Re: You

Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

Unfortunately, your advice

would not work. As a Canadian, I do not pay

directly for medical services, including

doctor visits. Instead, I am going to fire my

doctor and find another. This route appears

easier than a 2 x 4, as I no longer have

sufficient muscle mass to make a dent.

On 2012-03-15, at 2:55

PM, Olson wrote:

Dave, I disagree

that it would take a 2x4. I think

you should use a 2x6. OK just

kidding.

But honestly

when they try to put you on a statin

I think the best way to get their

attention is "Doctor, you push a

statin on me and you forfeit your

office visit fee."

If all of

America would just refuse payment to

physicians who push statins, maybe

the message would get out.

Bobby

Alternate email:

marooned@...

Bobby- Your Caribbean

Travel Planner

www.pinkystravel.com

International Destinations,

Resorts, Vacation Packages

Philippine

Destination Specialist

From:

Turgeon

To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

Cc: Turgeon

Sent: Thursday, March 15,

2012 10:00 AM

Subject: Re:

Re: You

Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

The

main point to remember is

that statins do NOT

prevent plaque build up in

your arteries. I was on

Lipitor for several years,

as a preventative. Well, I

recently has a carotid

doppler test, which showed

some plaque build up in my

carotid artery. Obviously,

the statin was NOT

effective as a

prophylactic; all it did

was ruin my health, for

nothing! Even though it

was totally ineffective,

my doctor still tries to

push me back onto a

statin. I think it would

take a two-by-four over

the head to knock some

sense into her, because

logic just does not work.

Like most in the medical

community, she is

completely brainwashed.

Dave.

On

2012-03-13, at 3:09

PM, cls54721 wrote:

Mike,

if that NCEP

(national

cholesterol

education panel)

had not lowered

the levels, I

think it was back

in 2004, from 240

to 200, I wouldn't

have high

cholesterol. When

they lowered it,

they made patients

of some many more

of us. That was

the motive for

that new lowered

level, right?

I never felt so

awful as when my

Total Cholesterol

was 167. I wanted

my quality of life

back.

I know some

members here

probably had

results way out of

range and maybe

that is why they

were urged to take

the statins. Maybe

some already had

heart attacks.

But, I didn't have

a previous heart

attack and was

never officially

diagnosed with any

arterial plaques,

my only risk

factor was type 2

diabetes. I had to

have a stress test

to check my heart

because I took

Avandia for for my

diabetes for 6

years. Avandia is

now practically

banned because of

the increased risk

of heart attacks

when taking the

drug. My gastro

doc would not do

my screening

colonoscopy,

because of the

sedation, without

an OK from the

cardiologist. He

did not say I had

any plaques or any

partial blockages.

I think the stress

test is more

definitive than a

slightly elevated

cholesterol level.

I would rather

have one of those

tests, I can't

remember what it's

called, that can

show the plaques,

but it probably

wouldn't be

covered under my

insurance.

My doc who treats

my diabetes wants

my LDL below 70.

He is the one who

prescribed the

Zocor as soon as

my total was 3

points over 200. I

think that no one

could lower their

LDL to that level

below 70 without

medication. I

tried the Zocor

10mg for over 6

years thinking I

had a lowered risk

for CVD, not

knowing why I felt

so miserable

between the ages

of 45 and 50. The

internet and this

group opened my

eyes.

I wish that the

real results of

reduced risk of

all the drug

studies would be

sent to our

doctors. If the

trial says that 3%

taking a placebo

had a heart attack

vs 2% didn't, does

not equate to 33%

lowered risk, does

it? I read that

somewhere. To me

that sounds like a

1% lower risk, am

I wrong? Could

somebody please

explain this?

I agree, that high

levels are not

necessarily "high"

because of the

NCEP. Mike do you

agree that LDL

under 70 is not

sustainable

without statins?

Just my opinions

and experience.

Connie

>

> It is most

important to know

why you have high

cholesterol, if in

fact it is

> high. Got to

do the testing to

make sure the body

is balanced and

there is

> not an out of

range factor.

>

> Mike S.

>

>

>

> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ]

On Behalf Of chas

> Sent: Sunday,

March 11, 2012

10:05 PM

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Subject:

You Need Vitamin

C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contrary to

big Pharma's

marketing

propaganda, you

don't need statin

drugs

> to lower

cholesterol.

Vitamin C will

lower your

cholesterol also,

but it

> does it

naturally and

without all the

terrible side

effects of statin

drugs.

> If your body

gets enough

vitamin C (at

least 3000 mg per

day), then excess

> cholesterol

in the bloodstream

is naturally

converted to bile

acid and then

> excreted. But

that is just part

of the process in

which vitamin C

works to

> prevent heart

disease.

>

>

>

> Dr. Linus

ing discovered

almost 20 years

ago that the root

cause of

>

cardiovascular

disease is not

cholesterol, it is

the lack of

sufficient

> vitamin C

necessary for the

body to heal and

repair damaged

arteries. But

> the lords of

the medical/drug

establishment just

ignored and

dismissed his

> research, and

they even refused

to run clinical

tests to prove or

disprove

> his findings.

As a result, his

discoveries have

been practically

buried

> except for

the internet, so

the vast majority

of the public (and

>

cardiologists)

have never heard

or read a word

about it.

>

>

>

> From further

research, I

learned that Dr.

ing's minimum

recommended

> dosage for

prevention or even

reversal of

cardiovascular

disease was at

> least 3 grams

of vitamin C per

day, and at least

1 or 2 grams per

day of the

> amino acid

lysine. He

recommended the

additional lysine

because it was

> found to help

vitamin C heal and

repair the

arteries. This is

what is

> called the

ing therapy.

>

>

> For a fuller

explaination of

how and why

vitamin C works to

prevent

>

cardiovascular

disease, I would

urge everyone to

read these well

written and

> informative

articles at

>

>

> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm>

http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm

and at

> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm>

http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>

[Guest guest]

No problem, . For anyone who may be interested, I use a testosterone

replacement cream, marketed as " AndroGel " . It is very effective and easy to use.

You simply apply between two and six metered pumps daily.

The main problem is its cost -- it is quite expensive, so may not be a viable

solution for those without a drug insurance plan. The only downside for users is

that it may become less effective over time, if it accumulates in fatty tissues

rather than being absorbed into the bloodstream.

Dave.

> Dave, same thing happened to me with the niaspan. Free T levels are in the

basement and won't recover. I would like to talk to you privately about the

hormone replacement therapy your doing. Any advice from your experience would be

appreciated. My email is: flyinresorts@...

>

> Thanks,

> Bobby

>

> Alternate email: marooned@...

> Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Planner

> www.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation Packages

> Philippine Destination Specialist

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:56 AM

> Subject: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>

>

>

> Bobby,

>

> No, I have not had a muscle biopsy, as it would only tell me what I already

know. Having quit statins entirely a year ago, I find my muscle mass and

endurance is improving each month. However, the rheumatoid arthritis symptoms

are probably permanent, I'm afraid.

>

> Yes, I had my hormone levels tested and found the statins had dropped my free

testosterone to the level of non-existent. Needless to say, the toxic effects

were many and severe, including depression, weakness and the arthritis. I now

take hormone replacement on a daily basis. It has given me back my life. It is

covered under my drug insurance plan, but anyone who needs it and doesn't have

insurance will be paying $$$ for it.

>

> Dave.

>

>

>

>

>

>> Boy do I agree with that, Doctors simply do not have the time to research the

problems with every patient. Their solutions are based on the norm. It's the

patient that needs to carry the ball and team up with the doctor. I found out

the hard way after the doctor prescribed a statin and it was 18 months before I

realized it had done its damage.

>>

>> Now I research anything that my doctor prescribes

>>

>> Lee...

>>

>>

>> Bobby:

>>> Medicare in the USAQ is socialized medicine, and statin refusal, change of

doctor works just fine. I know that other countries have differing types of

single payer medicine and I would like to hear from those who have not been able

to make changes in their health care that they thought were warranted. Being

your own advocate is just the beginning of your medical education, it is ongoing

with every little change and nuance in your condition, be it physical or Dr.

related. If you are not armed, you lose.

>>> If patients don’t do the necessary research and study, then they have no

grounds to complain about their medical care, in my opinion.

>>> Mike S

>>>

>>> From:TakingLipitorAndHateIt

[mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of Olson

>>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:10 PM

>>> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

>>> Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Your right, that wouldn't work in socialized medicine. Have you had muscle

biopsy? What about hormone testing?

>>>

>>> Bobby

>>>

>>> Alternate email: marooned@...

>>> Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Planner

>>> www.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation

Packages

>>> Philippine Destination Specialist

>>>

>>>

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>> From: Turgeon

>>> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

>>> Cc: Turgeon

>>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:22 AM

>>> Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>>>

>>>

>>> Unfortunately, your advice would not work. As a Canadian, I do not pay

directly for medical services, including doctor visits. Instead, I am going to

fire my doctor and find another. This route appears easier than a 2 x 4, as I no

longer have sufficient muscle mass to make a dent.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Dave, I disagree that it would take a 2x4. I think you should use a 2x6. OK

just kidding.

>>>

>>> But honestly when they try to put you on a statin I think the best way to

get their attention is " Doctor, you push a statin on me and you forfeit your

office visit fee. "

>>>

>>> If all of America would just refuse payment to physicians who push statins,

maybe the message would get out.

>>>

>>> Bobby

>>>

>>> Alternate email: marooned@...

>>> Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Planner

>>> www.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation

Packages

>>> Philippine Destination Specialist

>>>

>>>

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>> From: Turgeon

>>> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

>>> Cc: Turgeon

>>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:00 AM

>>> Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor

>>>

>>>

>>> The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque build up in

your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as a preventative. Well, I

recently has a carotid doppler test, which showed some plaque build up in my

carotid artery. Obviously, the statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all

it did was ruin my health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective,

my doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would take a

two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her, because logic just does

not work. Like most in the medical community, she is completely brainwashed.

>>>

>>> Dave.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered

the levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high

cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us.

That was the motive for that new lowered level, right?

>>>

>>> I never felt so

> awful as when my

> Total Cholesterol

> was 167. I wanted

> my quality of life

> back.

>>>

>>> I know some

> members here

> probably had

> results way out of

> range and maybe

> that is why they

> were urged to take

> the statins. Maybe

> some already had

> heart attacks.

> But, I didn't have

> a previous heart

> attack and was

> never officially

> diagnosed with any

> arterial plaques,

> my only risk

> factor was type 2

> diabetes. I had to

> have a stress test

> to check my heart

> because I took

> Avandia for for my

> diabetes for 6

> years. Avandia is

> now practically

> banned because of

> the increased risk

> of heart attacks

> when taking the

> drug. My gastro

> doc would not do

> my screening

> colonoscopy,

> because of the

> sedation, without

> an OK from the

> cardiologist. He

> did not say I had

> any plaques or any

> partial blockages.

> I think the stress

> test is more

> definitive than a

> slightly elevated

> cholesterol level.

> I would rather

> have one of those

> tests, I can't

> remember what it's

> called, that can

> show the plaques,

> but it probably

> wouldn't be

> covered under my

> insurance.

>>>

>>> My doc who treats

> my diabetes wants

> my LDL below 70.

> He is the one who

> prescribed the

> Zocor as soon as

> my total was 3

> points over 200. I

> think that no one

> could lower their

> LDL to that level

> below 70 without

> medication. I

> tried the Zocor

> 10mg for over 6

> years thinking I

> had a lowered risk

> for CVD, not

> knowing why I felt

> so miserable

> between the ages

> of 45 and 50. The

> internet and this

> group opened my

> eyes.

>>>

>>> I wish that the

> real results of

> reduced risk of

> all the drug

> studies would be

> sent to our

> doctors. If the

> trial says that 3%

> taking a placebo

> had a heart attack

> vs 2% didn't, does

> not equate to 33%

> lowered risk, does

> it? I read that

> somewhere. To me

> that sounds like a

> 1% lower risk, am

> I wrong? Could

> somebody please

> explain this?

>>>

>>> I agree, that high

> levels are not

> necessarily " high "

> because of the

> NCEP. Mike do you

> agree that LDL

> under 70 is not

> sustainable

> without statins?

>>>

>>> Just my opinions

> and experience.

>>>

>>> Connie

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> It is most

> important to know

> why you have high

> cholesterol, if in

> fact it is

>>>> high. Got to

> do the testing to

> make sure the body

> is balanced and

> there is

>>>> not an out of

> range factor.

>>>>

>>>> Mike S.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

>>>> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas

>>>> Sent: Sunday,

> March 11, 2012

> 10:05 PM

>>>> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt

>>>> Subject:

>

> You Need Vitamin

> C, Not Lipitor

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Contrary to

> big Pharma's

> marketing

> propaganda, you

> don't need statin

> drugs

>>>> to lower

> cholesterol.

> Vitamin C will

> lower your

> cholesterol also,

> but it

>>>> does it

> naturally and

> without all the

> terrible side

> effects of statin

> drugs.

>>>> If your body

> gets enough

> vitamin C (at

> least 3000 mg per

> day), then excess

>>>> cholesterol

> in the bloodstream

> is naturally

> converted to bile

> acid and then

>>>> excreted. But

> that is just part

> of the process in

> which vitamin C

> works to

>>>> prevent heart

> disease.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Dr. Linus

> ing discovered

> almost 20 years

> ago that the root

> cause of

>>>>

> cardiovascular

> disease is not

> cholesterol, it is

> the lack of

> sufficient

>>>> vitamin C

> necessary for the

> body to heal and

> repair damaged

> arteries. But

>>>> the lords of

> the medical/drug

> establishment just

> ignored and

> dismissed his

>>>> research, and

> they even refused

> to run clinical

> tests to prove or

> disprove

>>>> his findings.

> As a result, his

> discoveries have

> been practically

> buried

>>>> except for

> the internet, so

> the vast majority

> of the public (and

>>>>

> cardiologists)

> have never heard

> or read a word

> about it.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> From further

> research, I

> learned that Dr.

> ing's minimum

> recommended

>>>> dosage for

> prevention or even

> reversal of

> cardiovascular

> disease was at

>>>> least 3 grams

> of vitamin C per

> day, and at least

> 1 or 2 grams per

> day of the

>>>> amino acid

> lysine. He

> recommended the

> additional lysine

> because it was

>>>> found to help

> vitamin C heal and

> repair the

> arteries. This is

> what is

>>>> called the

> ing therapy.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> For a fuller

> explaination of

> how and why

> vitamin C works to

> prevent

>>>>

> cardiovascular

> disease, I would

> urge everyone to

> read these well

> written and

>>>> informative

> articles at

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at

>>>> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave, I have been taught one of the reasons androgel becomes less effective over time, may be due to testosterone converting to estrogen. Climbing estrogen levels would narrow the gap between Testosterone and estrogen.Does your doctor monitor both testosterone and estrogen levels and calculate the ratios between the two?Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:14 PM Subject: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor No problem, . For anyone who may be interested, I use a testosterone replacement cream, marketed as "AndroGel". It is very effective and easy to use. You simply apply between two and six metered pumps daily. The main problem is its cost -- it is quite expensive, so may not be a viable solution for those without a drug insurance plan. The only downside for users is that it may become less effective over time, if it accumulates in fatty tissues rather than being

absorbed into the bloodstream.Dave.> Dave, same thing happened to me with the niaspan. Free T levels are in the basement and won't recover. I would like to talk to you privately about the hormone replacement therapy your doing. Any advice from your experience would be appreciated. My email is: flyinresorts@...> > Thanks,> Bobby> > Alternate email: marooned@...> Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Planner> www.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation Packages> Philippine Destination Specialist> > > ________________________________> > To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:56 AM> Subject: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor> > > > Bobby,> > No, I have not had a muscle biopsy, as it would only tell me what I already know. Having quit statins entirely a year ago, I find my muscle mass and endurance is improving each month. However, the rheumatoid arthritis symptoms are probably permanent, I'm afraid.> > Yes, I had my hormone levels tested and found the statins had dropped my free testosterone to the level of non-existent. Needless to say, the toxic effects were many and severe, including depression, weakness and the

arthritis. I now take hormone replacement on a daily basis. It has given me back my life. It is covered under my drug insurance plan, but anyone who needs it and doesn't have insurance will be paying $$$ for it.> > Dave.> > > > > >> Boy do I agree with that, Doctors simply do not have the time to research the problems with every patient. Their solutions are based on the norm. It's the patient that needs to carry the ball and team up with the doctor. I found out the hard way after the doctor prescribed a statin and it was 18 months before I realized it had done its damage. >> >> Now I research anything that my doctor prescribes>> >> Lee... >> >> >> Bobby:>>> Medicare in the USAQ is socialized medicine, and statin refusal,

change of doctor works just fine. I know that other countries have differing types of single payer medicine and I would like to hear from those who have not been able to make changes in their health care that they thought were warranted. Being your own advocate is just the beginning of your medical education, it is ongoing with every little change and nuance in your condition, be it physical or Dr. related. If you are not armed, you lose.>>> If patients don’t do the necessary research and study, then they have no grounds to complain about their medical care, in my opinion.>>> Mike S >>> >>> From:TakingLipitorAndHateIt [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of Olson>>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:10 PM>>> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt >>> Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Your right, that wouldn't work in socialized medicine. Have you had muscle biopsy? What about hormone testing?>>> >>> Bobby>>> >>> Alternate email: marooned@...>>> Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Planner>>>

www.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation Packages>>> Philippine Destination Specialist>>> >>> >>> ________________________________>>> >>> From: Turgeon >>> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt >>> Cc: Turgeon >>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:22 AM>>> Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor>>> >>> >>> Unfortunately, your advice would

not work. As a Canadian, I do not pay directly for medical services, including doctor visits. Instead, I am going to fire my doctor and find another. This route appears easier than a 2 x 4, as I no longer have sufficient muscle mass to make a dent.>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave, I disagree that it would take a 2x4. I think you should use a 2x6. OK just kidding. >>> >>> But honestly when they try to put you on a statin I think the best way to get their attention is "Doctor, you push a statin on me and you forfeit your office visit fee.">>> >>> If all of America would just refuse payment to physicians who push statins, maybe the message would get out. >>> >>>

Bobby>>> >>> Alternate email: marooned@...>>> Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Planner>>> www.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation Packages>>> Philippine Destination Specialist>>> >>> >>> ________________________________>>> >>> From: Turgeon >>> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt >>> Cc: Turgeon >>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:00 AM>>> Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor>>> >>> >>> The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her, because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical community, she is completely brainwashed.>>> >>>

Dave.>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us. That was the motive for that new lowered level, right? >>> >>> I never felt so> awful as when my> Total Cholesterol>

was 167. I wanted> my quality of life> back.>>> >>> I know some> members here>

probably had> results way out of> range and maybe> that is why they> were urged to

take> the statins. Maybe> some already had> heart attacks.> But, I didn't have>

a previous heart> attack and was> never officially> diagnosed with any> arterial

plaques,> my only risk> factor was type 2> diabetes. I had to> have a stress test>

to check my heart> because I took> Avandia for for my> diabetes for 6> years. Avandia

is> now practically> banned because of> the increased risk> of heart attacks>

when taking the> drug. My gastro> doc would not do> my screening> colonoscopy,>

because of the> sedation, without> an OK from the> cardiologist. He>

did not say I had> any plaques or any> partial blockages.> I think the stress> test is more>

definitive than a> slightly elevated> cholesterol level.> I would rather>

have one of those> tests, I can't> remember what it's> called, that can> show the plaques,>

but it probably> wouldn't be> covered under my> insurance.>>> >>> My doc who treats>

my diabetes wants> my LDL below 70.> He is the one who> prescribed the> Zocor as soon as>

my total was 3> points over 200. I> think that no one> could lower their>

LDL to that level> below 70 without> medication. I> tried the Zocor> 10mg for over 6>

years thinking I> had a lowered risk> for CVD, not> knowing why I felt>

so miserable> between the ages> of 45 and 50. The> internet and this> group opened my>

eyes. >>> >>> I wish that the> real results of> reduced risk of> all the drug>

studies would be> sent to our> doctors. If the> trial says that 3%> taking a placebo>

had a heart attack> vs 2% didn't, does> not equate to 33%> lowered risk, does>

it? I read that> somewhere. To me> that sounds like a> 1% lower risk, am> I wrong? Could>

somebody please> explain this?>>> >>> I agree, that high> levels are not> necessarily "high">

because of the> NCEP. Mike do you> agree that LDL> under 70 is not>

sustainable> without statins?>>> >>> Just my opinions> and experience.>>> >>> Connie >>> >>> >>>> >>>> It is most>

important to know> why you have high> cholesterol, if in> fact it is>>>> high. Got to> do the testing to>

make sure the body> is balanced and> there is>>>> not an out of> range factor.>>>> >>>> Mike S.>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt >>>> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas>>>> Sent: Sunday,> March 11, 2012> 10:05 PM>>>> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt >>>> Subject:> > You Need Vitamin> C, Not Lipitor>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>

>>>> Contrary to> big Pharma's> marketing> propaganda, you> don't need statin>

drugs>>>> to lower> cholesterol.> Vitamin C will> lower your>

cholesterol also,> but it>>>> does it> naturally and> without all the> terrible side>

effects of statin> drugs.>>>> If your body> gets enough> vitamin C (at>

least 3000 mg per> day), then excess>>>> cholesterol> in the bloodstream> is naturally> converted to bile>

acid and then>>>> excreted. But> that is just part> of the process in> which vitamin C>

works to>>>> prevent heart> disease.>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. Linus> ing discovered> almost 20 years>

ago that the root> cause of>>>> > cardiovascular> disease is not> cholesterol, it is>

the lack of> sufficient>>>> vitamin C> necessary for the> body to heal and>

repair damaged> arteries. But>>>> the lords of> the medical/drug> establishment just>

ignored and> dismissed his>>>> research, and> they even refused> to run clinical> tests to prove or>

disprove>>>> his findings.> As a result, his> discoveries have> been practically>

buried>>>> except for> the internet, so> the vast majority> of the public (and>>>> > cardiologists)>

have never heard> or read a word> about it.>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From further> research, I>

learned that Dr.> ing's minimum> recommended>>>> dosage for> prevention or even>

reversal of> cardiovascular> disease was at>>>> least 3 grams> of vitamin C per> day, and at

least> 1 or 2 grams per> day of the>>>> amino acid> lysine. He> recommended the>

additional lysine> because it was>>>> found to help> vitamin C heal and> repair the>

arteries. This is> what is>>>> called the> ing therapy.>>>> >>>> >>>> For a fuller> explaination of>

how and why> vitamin C works to> prevent>>>> > cardiovascular> disease, I would>

urge everyone to> read these well> written and>>>> informative> articles at>>>> >>>> >>>> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at>>>> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > ------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

No: my doctor is useless. Can't see the conversion happening unless the body has too much T to utilize. The prob with any dermal cream is absorption into fat cells, apparently, where it becomes unavailable for use.Dave.

Dave, I have been taught one of the reasons androgel becomes less effective over time, may be due to testosterone converting to estrogen. Climbing estrogen levels would narrow the gap between Testosterone and estrogen.Does your doctor monitor both testosterone and estrogen levels and calculate the ratios between the two?Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:14 PM Subject: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor No problem, . For anyone who may be interested, I use a testosterone replacement cream, marketed as "AndroGel". It is very effective and easy to use. You simply apply between two and six metered pumps daily. The main problem is its cost -- it is quite expensive, so may not be a viable solution for those without a drug insurance plan. The only downside for users is that it may become less effective over time, if it accumulates in fatty tissues rather than being

absorbed into the bloodstream.Dave.> Dave, same thing happened to me with the niaspan. Free T levels are in the basement and won't recover. I would like to talk to you privately about the hormone replacement therapy your doing. Any advice from your experience would be appreciated. My email is: flyinresorts@...> > Thanks,> Bobby> > Alternate email: marooned@...> Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Planner> www.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation Packages> Philippine Destination Specialist> > > ________________________________> > To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:56 AM> Subject: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor> > > > Bobby,> > No, I have not had a muscle biopsy, as it would only tell me what I already know. Having quit statins entirely a year ago, I find my muscle mass and endurance is improving each month. However, the rheumatoid arthritis symptoms are probably permanent, I'm afraid.> > Yes, I had my hormone levels tested and found the statins had dropped my free testosterone to the level of non-existent. Needless to say, the toxic effects were many and severe, including depression, weakness and the

arthritis. I now take hormone replacement on a daily basis. It has given me back my life. It is covered under my drug insurance plan, but anyone who needs it and doesn't have insurance will be paying $$$ for it.> > Dave.> > > > > >> Boy do I agree with that, Doctors simply do not have the time to research the problems with every patient. Their solutions are based on the norm. It's the patient that needs to carry the ball and team up with the doctor. I found out the hard way after the doctor prescribed a statin and it was 18 months before I realized it had done its damage. >> >> Now I research anything that my doctor prescribes>> >> Lee... >> >> >> Bobby:>>> Medicare in the USAQ is socialized medicine, and statin refusal,

change of doctor works just fine. I know that other countries have differing types of single payer medicine and I would like to hear from those who have not been able to make changes in their health care that they thought were warranted. Being your own advocate is just the beginning of your medical education, it is ongoing with every little change and nuance in your condition, be it physical or Dr. related. If you are not armed, you lose.>>> If patients don’t do the necessary research and study, then they have no grounds to complain about their medical care, in my opinion.>>> Mike S >>> >>> From:TakingLipitorAndHateIt [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of Olson>>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:10 PM>>> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt >>> Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Your right, that wouldn't work in socialized medicine. Have you had muscle biopsy? What about hormone testing?>>> >>> Bobby>>> >>> Alternate email: marooned@...>>> Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Planner>>>

www.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation Packages>>> Philippine Destination Specialist>>> >>> >>> ________________________________>>> >>> From: Turgeon >>> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt >>> Cc: Turgeon >>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:22 AM>>> Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor>>> >>> >>> Unfortunately, your advice would

not work. As a Canadian, I do not pay directly for medical services, including doctor visits. Instead, I am going to fire my doctor and find another. This route appears easier than a 2 x 4, as I no longer have sufficient muscle mass to make a dent.>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave, I disagree that it would take a 2x4. I think you should use a 2x6. OK just kidding. >>> >>> But honestly when they try to put you on a statin I think the best way to get their attention is "Doctor, you push a statin on me and you forfeit your office visit fee.">>> >>> If all of America would just refuse payment to physicians who push statins, maybe the message would get out. >>> >>>

Bobby>>> >>> Alternate email: marooned@...>>> Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Planner>>> www.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation Packages>>> Philippine Destination Specialist>>> >>> >>> ________________________________>>> >>> From: Turgeon >>> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt >>> Cc: Turgeon >>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:00 AM>>> Subject: Re: Re: You Need Vitamin C, Not Lipitor>>> >>> >>> The main point to remember is that statins do NOT prevent plaque build up in your arteries. I was on Lipitor for several years, as a preventative. Well, I recently has a carotid doppler test, which showed some plaque build up in my carotid artery. Obviously, the statin was NOT effective as a prophylactic; all it did was ruin my health, for nothing! Even though it was totally ineffective, my doctor still tries to push me back onto a statin. I think it would take a two-by-four over the head to knock some sense into her, because logic just does not work. Like most in the medical community, she is completely brainwashed.>>> >>>

Dave.>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike, if that NCEP (national cholesterol education panel) had not lowered the levels, I think it was back in 2004, from 240 to 200, I wouldn't have high cholesterol. When they lowered it, they made patients of some many more of us. That was the motive for that new lowered level, right? >>> >>> I never felt so> awful as when my> Total Cholesterol>

was 167. I wanted> my quality of life> back.>>> >>> I know some> members here>

probably had> results way out of> range and maybe> that is why they> were urged to

take> the statins. Maybe> some already had> heart attacks.> But, I didn't have>

a previous heart> attack and was> never officially> diagnosed with any> arterial

plaques,> my only risk> factor was type 2> diabetes. I had to> have a stress test>

to check my heart> because I took> Avandia for for my> diabetes for 6> years. Avandia

is> now practically> banned because of> the increased risk> of heart attacks>

when taking the> drug. My gastro> doc would not do> my screening> colonoscopy,>

because of the> sedation, without> an OK from the> cardiologist. He>

did not say I had> any plaques or any> partial blockages.> I think the stress> test is more>

definitive than a> slightly elevated> cholesterol level.> I would rather>

have one of those> tests, I can't> remember what it's> called, that can> show the plaques,>

but it probably> wouldn't be> covered under my> insurance.>>> >>> My doc who treats>

my diabetes wants> my LDL below 70.> He is the one who> prescribed the> Zocor as soon as>

my total was 3> points over 200. I> think that no one> could lower their>

LDL to that level> below 70 without> medication. I> tried the Zocor> 10mg for over 6>

years thinking I> had a lowered risk> for CVD, not> knowing why I felt>

so miserable> between the ages> of 45 and 50. The> internet and this> group opened my>

eyes. >>> >>> I wish that the> real results of> reduced risk of> all the drug>

studies would be> sent to our> doctors. If the> trial says that 3%> taking a placebo>

had a heart attack> vs 2% didn't, does> not equate to 33%> lowered risk, does>

it? I read that> somewhere. To me> that sounds like a> 1% lower risk, am> I wrong? Could>

somebody please> explain this?>>> >>> I agree, that high> levels are not> necessarily "high">

because of the> NCEP. Mike do you> agree that LDL> under 70 is not>

sustainable> without statins?>>> >>> Just my opinions> and experience.>>> >>> Connie >>> >>> >>>> >>>> It is most>

important to know> why you have high> cholesterol, if in> fact it is>>>> high. Got to> do the testing to>

make sure the body> is balanced and> there is>>>> not an out of> range factor.>>>> >>>> Mike S.>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>> From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt >>>> [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of chas>>>> Sent: Sunday,> March 11, 2012> 10:05 PM>>>> To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt >>>> Subject:> > You Need Vitamin> C, Not Lipitor>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>

>>>> Contrary to> big Pharma's> marketing> propaganda, you> don't need statin>

drugs>>>> to lower> cholesterol.> Vitamin C will> lower your>

cholesterol also,> but it>>>> does it> naturally and> without all the> terrible side>

effects of statin> drugs.>>>> If your body> gets enough> vitamin C (at>

least 3000 mg per> day), then excess>>>> cholesterol> in the bloodstream> is naturally> converted to bile>

acid and then>>>> excreted. But> that is just part> of the process in> which vitamin C>

works to>>>> prevent heart> disease.>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. Linus> ing discovered> almost 20 years>

ago that the root> cause of>>>> > cardiovascular> disease is not> cholesterol, it is>

the lack of> sufficient>>>> vitamin C> necessary for the> body to heal and>

repair damaged> arteries. But>>>> the lords of> the medical/drug> establishment just>

ignored and> dismissed his>>>> research, and> they even refused> to run clinical> tests to prove or>

disprove>>>> his findings.> As a result, his> discoveries have> been practically>

buried>>>> except for> the internet, so> the vast majority> of the public (and>>>> > cardiologists)>

have never heard> or read a word> about it.>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From further> research, I>

learned that Dr.> ing's minimum> recommended>>>> dosage for> prevention or even>

reversal of> cardiovascular> disease was at>>>> least 3 grams> of vitamin C per> day, and at

least> 1 or 2 grams per> day of the>>>> amino acid> lysine. He> recommended the>

additional lysine> because it was>>>> found to help> vitamin C heal and> repair the>

arteries. This is> what is>>>> called the> ing therapy.>>>> >>>> >>>> For a fuller> explaination of>

how and why> vitamin C works to> prevent>>>> > cardiovascular> disease, I would>

urge everyone to> read these well> written and>>>> informative> articles at>>>> >>>> >>>> <http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm> http://www.cqs.com/cvd.htm and at>>>> <http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm> http://www.cqs.com/lipitor.htm>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > ------------------------------------