Re: re why not tell risks of statins?

[Guest guest]

Sue, I just don't buy the whole cholesterol/heart attack theory. As

I've said many times my cholesterol has never exceeded 147 yet I've

had two heart attacks.

Lee...

The way the system works is they test the meds for

3-6 months and mostly on animals because using humans

experimentation is prohibited - too short a time to really see

the side effects. I had a medical provider tell me that the

REAL way they find out what the side effects (and benefits) of

any medication is the "after market research" i.e. when there

is a new medication out and our doctor prescribes it and we

report side effects etc that is, without knowing it, we are the

guinea pigs!

That being said, the so called preventative effects of statins

(which between you and me, I really question) are all

supposition i.e. it goes like this - if people have a lower

cholesterol level, they might have a slightly less chance of a

heart attack. Of course, a big factor which is NOT taken in

consideration is that the reason they might have a less chance

of heart attack is because a naturally lower cholesterol level

might indicate a healthy lifestyle of making good food choices

and regular exercise. Then in fact, it would be the lifestyle

and not the cholesterol level which is determining the health

factor. Or the cholesterol level is merely an indicator of a

healthy lifestyle.

And they will admit that there is no proof whatsoever, that

"artificially" lowering the cholesterol level is heart

protective. But it sounds good and if they can sell a drug,

they will. They make very little profit on old drugs and

therefore, are under pressure to come up with new drugs which

can be under patent and thus expensive (until they go generic).

One CEO of a European pharmaceutical admitted that any

medication they sell is less than 30% effective.

Medical providers seldom have the time or inclination to do real

research so they do their "continuing education" in these drug

company seminars (usually done at a free dinner) which of

course, are selling the latest drug....

Thus, many medical providers are not aware of the risks of

statin drugs either, I've found.

--

best,

Sue

http://healthread.net

Weight loss video:

[Guest guest]

I'm with Lee on this one. I have explored the world, comparing cholesterol levels against death rates from heart disease, and find ZERO relationship to serum cholesterol levels and heart attacks. Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Sue Joan Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 11:33 AM Subject: Re: re why not tell risks of statins?

Sue, I just don't buy the whole cholesterol/heart attack theory. As

I've said many times my cholesterol has never exceeded 147 yet I've

had two heart attacks.

Lee...

The way the system works is they test the meds for

3-6 months and mostly on animals because using humans

experimentation is prohibited - too short a time to really see

the side effects. I had a medical provider tell me that the

REAL way they find out what the side effects (and benefits) of

any medication is the "after market research" i.e. when there

is a new medication out and our doctor prescribes it and we

report side effects etc that is, without knowing it, we are the

guinea pigs!

That being said, the so called preventative effects of statins

(which between you and me, I really question) are all

supposition i.e. it goes like this - if people have a lower

cholesterol level, they might have a slightly less chance of a

heart attack. Of course, a big factor which is NOT taken in

consideration is that the reason they might have a less chance

of heart attack is because a naturally lower cholesterol level

might indicate a healthy lifestyle of making good food choices

and regular exercise. Then in fact, it would be the lifestyle

and not the cholesterol level which is determining the health

factor. Or the cholesterol level is merely an indicator of a

healthy lifestyle.

And they will admit that there is no proof whatsoever, that

"artificially" lowering the cholesterol level is heart

protective. But it sounds good and if they can sell a drug,

they will. They make very little profit on old drugs and

therefore, are under pressure to come up with new drugs which

can be under patent and thus expensive (until they go generic).

One CEO of a European pharmaceutical admitted that any

medication they sell is less than 30% effective.

Medical providers seldom have the time or inclination to do real

research so they do their "continuing education" in these drug

company seminars (usually done at a free dinner) which of

course, are selling the latest drug....

Thus, many medical providers are not aware of the risks of

statin drugs either, I've found.

--

best,

Sue

http://healthread.net

Weight loss video:

[Guest guest]

There are several other issues that cause heart attack due to low blood flow but you never hear about them, arterial spasm and arterial wall liner collapse. These issues as trigger mechanisms would be very difficult to discover, as they are transitory in nature.Mike S From: TakingLipitorAndHateIt [mailto:TakingLipitorAndHateIt ] On Behalf Of OlsonSent: Monday, March 05, 2012 10:39 AMTo: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Subject: Re: re why not tell risks of statins? I'm with Lee on this one. I have explored the world, comparing cholesterol levels against death rates from heart disease, and find ZERO relationship to serum cholesterol levels and heart attacks. Bobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination Specialist To: TakingLipitorAndHateIt Cc: Sue Joan Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 11:33 AMSubject: Re: re why not tell risks of statins? Sue, I just don't buy the whole cholesterol/heart attack theory. As I've said many times my cholesterol has never exceeded 147 yet I've had two heart attacks.Lee... The way the system works is they test the meds for 3-6 months and mostly on animals because using humans experimentation is prohibited - too short a time to really see the side effects. I had a medical provider tell me that the REAL way they find out what the side effects (and benefits) of any medication is the " after market research " i.e. when there is a new medication out and our doctor prescribes it and we report side effects etc that is, without knowing it, we are the guinea pigs!That being said, the so called preventative effects of statins (which between you and me, I really question) are all supposition i.e. it goes like this - if people have a lower cholesterol level, they might have a slightly less chance of a heart attack. Of course, a big factor which is NOT taken in consideration is that the reason they might have a less chance of heart attack is because a naturally lower cholesterol level might indicate a healthy lifestyle of making good food choices and regular exercise. Then in fact, it would be the lifestyle and not the cholesterol level which is determining the health factor. Or the cholesterol level is merely an indicator of a healthy lifestyle.And they will admit that there is no proof whatsoever, that " artificially " lowering the cholesterol level is heart protective. But it sounds good and if they can sell a drug, they will. They make very little profit on old drugs and therefore, are under pressure to come up with new drugs which can be under patent and thus expensive (until they go generic).One CEO of a European pharmaceutical admitted that any medication they sell is less than 30% effective.Medical providers seldom have the time or inclination to do real research so they do their " continuing education " in these drug company seminars (usually done at a free dinner) which of course, are selling the latest drug....Thus, many medical providers are not aware of the risks of statin drugs either, I've found.-- best,Suehttp://healthread.netWeight loss video:

[Guest guest]

Take a look at the following link

the author got data from the world health org. from almost every country on

earth

Data shows there is a relation between cholesterol levels and cardio death

rates....lower cholesterol means HIGHER levels of cardio death....ALL CAUSE

death rates versus cholesterol are even worce for low cholesterol... see here

the plots are on page 2:

http://www.spacedoc.com/obesity_cholesterol_death_rates?utm_source=February+7%2C\

+2012 & utm_campaign=Obesity%2C+cholesterol%2C+death+rates & utm_medium=email

The cholesterol measurement used is the european ... multiply by 39 to get US

numbers

> The way the system works is they test the meds for 3-6 months and mostly on

animals because using humans experimentation is prohibited - too short a time to

really see the side effects.  I had a medical provider tell me that the REAL

way they find out what the side effects (and benefits) of any medication is the

" after market research "   i.e. when there is a new medication out and our doctor

prescribes it and we report side effects etc that is, without knowing it, we are

the guinea pigs!

> >

> >That being said, the so called preventative effects of statins

> (which between you and me, I really question) are all

> supposition i.e. it goes like this - if people have a lower

> cholesterol level, they might have a slightly less chance of a

> heart attack. Of course, a big factor which is NOT taken in

> consideration is that the reason they might have a less chance

> of heart attack is because a naturally lower cholesterol level

> might indicate a healthy lifestyle of making good food choices

> and regular exercise.  Then in fact, it would be the lifestyle

> and not the cholesterol level which is determining the health

> factor.  Or the cholesterol level is merely an indicator of a

> healthy lifestyle.

> >

> >And they will admit that there is no proof whatsoever, that

> " artificially " lowering the cholesterol level is heart

> protective.  But it sounds good and if they can sell a drug,

> they will.  They make very little profit on old drugs and

> therefore, are under pressure to come up with new drugs which

> can be under patent and thus expensive (until they go generic).

> >

> >One CEO of a European pharmaceutical admitted that any

> medication they sell is less than 30% effective.

> >

> >Medical providers seldom have the time or inclination to do real

> research so they do their " continuing education " in these drug

> company seminars (usually done at a free dinner) which of

> course, are selling the latest drug....

> >

> >Thus, many medical providers are not aware of the risks of

> statin drugs either, I've found.

> >

> >--

> >

> >best,

> >Sue

> >http://healthread.net

> >Weight loss video:

> >

> >

> >

> >

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