Re: Summer 2005 Wise Traditions -- a complaint

[Guest guest]

Irene-

>I am not an any way a PR expert or anything and I don't for the most part

>even notice that stuff, but you have to admit their PR is way better than

>the Price-Pottenger Foundation.

Yeah, but the PPNF isn't a lobbying organization and WAPF is (or is

supposed to be).

>Or course that is not saying much. Having

>said that, do you have enough experience in such matters to do some

>redesigning for them? I can't speak for WAPF, but I would be willing to bet

>they would be open to any help in that department.

I have a little, but I'm no expert and I don't have the time to

donate. They really need to hire someone who's expert at this stuff, or at

least contract for some useful services in designing this stuff.

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[Guest guest]

,

> >There are thousands of

> >years of thought that have gone into this subject and many

> of the people who

> >have looked at it are bright and genuine.

>

> Historically, millions of people have come up with at least

> thousands and

> maybe millions of different explanations for how the world

> works. Almost

> every culture has had at least one creation myth, for

> example. And many

> cultures have come up with detailed health mythologies too -- humors,

> demonic possession, astral projection, magic, the light of

> the new moon,

> etc. etc. etc. The mistake modern civilization made when it

> realized that

> most of those mythologies were just as wrong as all the

> creation myths out

> there was to throw out the baby with the bath water, so to

> speak. Health

> mythologies were tried and tested in the real world over many

> years and so

> generally came up with some functionally useful ideas, even if the

> explanations for those ideas were utter hogwash.

>

> I seriously doubt we have four bodies. I seriously doubt any

> of the floofy

> stuff in Cowan's article is correct. Why prefer his

> particular batch of

> floofiness to anyone else's? Why assume it's turtles all the

> way down

> instead of a giant hawk creating the world by excreting some

> dung? Or an

> eternal omnipotent and omnicient being creating the world in

> seven days,

> for that matter? That doesn't mean some of Cowan's practical

> advice on

> herbs and whatnot might not be useful.

Good lord. I've thought of about 10 ways to approach this and I don't really

much like any of them simply because they will not be persuasive. This is a

subject that should best be discussed over a bottle of wine and a fine meal

somewhere in SONO. Or Manhattan or Durham, for that matter. We have good

restaurants down here in NC.

I will make two comments on the above. Declaring that the concept of an

etheric body is of the same caliber as the creation myths of a religion is a

false argument, I think. You can get observable result by working with the

etheric body model -- hence Cowan's comments -- but a creation myth is what

it is. There are distinctions that need to be made when discussing this

kind of thing that I find you tend not to make when you write about it.

I would offer this suggestion to you. You now have enough knowledge of how

to run EFT properly that you can begin to do some imaginary surrogate

tapping for issues on other people. This was one of the first experiences I

had that lead me to question the materialist Western model that I formerly

held on to as tightly as you do now. I have seen this work too many times

for it to be mere coincidence. You don't have to believe that it will work

but you do have to do the tapping as if you believe it. Just

imagine/mentally picture tapping on the person who is in distress and think

through what they must be experiencing as you do it. Use the " even though "

phrases and then mentally tap your way around their body while holding their

distressed content in your mind. Do a few rounds and watch what happens I

have found that babies and children are the easiest to work with but I have

seen it clearly alter mood in distressed adults, too.

Should you get the same results I have gotten you may find yourself looking

for other models to explain it.

>

> >As I've said

> >I think that energy trumps nutrition but I have freely

> acknowledged that the

> >preponderance of evidence, at the moment and for various

> reasons, supports

> >the opposite.

>

> In my estimation, only calling it the preponderance is a serious

> underestimate. As I pointed out, which conferences showcase

> the healthiest

> people, EFT or WAPF? WAPF. You responded with a fair point,

> which is that

> people are generally coming to EFT to try to heal themselves,

> but the same

> is true of WAPF. Maybe the starting baseline health of

> people starting

> NN-type eating is better, but it's just as possible that it's

> not. And

> more to the point, in light of the health of people attending

> the Wise

> Traditions conferences, people are getting better results

> with nutrition.

I think that nutrition is easier. Clean up your diet and get the right food

intake and, unless you are way too late, the body will heal. Finding the

right healer who actually has some ability and then persistently applying

the healing technology to create change is much more rare and much harder.

But I have seen enough now to think that it is possible.

As for energy in general -- I know people who are in very unhealthy states

but seem to feel great and have lots of vigor. My wife and I know a person

who is clearly in heavy catabolism and is dropping muscle mass from a too

low cal diet but still feels as energetic as she ever was. No loss of

strength or increased fatigue. Ken Morehead told me about his early work in

Santa Fe dealing with pro sports athletes who were there in the off season.

He talked about how they had this incredible vitality that allowed them do

amazing things even while their bodies were massively toxic. We all know

old people who have lived long and healthy lives feeling good and being

useful while eating very poorly. What is going on with that? Etc, etc.

>

> I'm not saying EFT is useless. I'm just saying use the right

> tool for the

> job. Horses for courses.

There is no reason to not change your diet to make sure that you are getting

the proper nutrition and heal yourself. OTOH, I know people who have done

so and still do not get substantially better. There must be other mechanisms

at work and I suspect that processes like EFT are a correct route to making

the kind of changes that will enable the body to finally heal. I have no

first hand proof of that, which I freely acknowledge. This is all still a

work in progress for me.

Ron

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> >Sally has done great work but she is almost completely

> clueless as to how to

> >professionally market herself and her organization. And

> Bill Sanda is no

> >better for someone who supposedly has lobbying experience.

>

> Yeah, considering Sanda's background, I'm surprised by how

> badly he's doing

> at actual lobbying and PR. Maybe they weren't his areas of expertise.

>

I met Sanda at one of Sandor Katz's fermentation workshops. He spent the

day there along with about 30 other people and myself. I was initially

surprised as he very much kept to himself other than doing a brief pitch for

the WAPF at the beginning of the day. And he seemed nervous when he was

doing the pitch which I just couldn't believe was possible. I figured

anyone who had lobbying experience would by needs be a gregarious people

person who tended to gravitate towards others rather than being a little

nervous in front of 30 nobodies.

Then he and I found ourselves in the bathroom together. I tend to be shy

around people I don't know but I tried to initiate a conversation while we

were both at the sinks washing up. He was a total non-starter. After a

couple of attempts I gave up. It was a real surprise -- how can he do his

job and promote the organization if he can't communicate with even one

person who was really trying to keep the conversation going?

Ron

[Guest guest]

Hi Suze,

> Why do you guys think Bill and Sally are doing a poor PR job?

>

This was a great question and I've been pondering it since yesterday when I

read it.

My first reaction was that perhaps I was wrong and that Sally just doesn't

market in a way that I personally happen to like but after more reflection I

don't think that is true.

Who is the market for the WAPF philosophy? In reality it's everyone on the

planet. Since that is unworkable from a strategic standpoint then I would

ask, " if I wanted to change world along the lines of the philosophy of the

WAPF who should I target to create the most effect? " My answer to that

would be the early adopter types, food producers, and also the nutritional

thought leaders. So you have three very different groups.

Most early adopters come to nutrition repair out of a desire to heal

themselves, so you are looking at a population of sick people as your

grassroots organization builders. They are the ones who have the desire and

commitment to make the change. So who are they and how do you market to

them? It is possible that Sally's materials already appeal to most of these

people.

As for thought leaders -- this is the most important group if you want to

create rapid change. The Willet's, Sears', Atkins' and many, many others in

the nutritional scientific community should be worked hard. I'm certain

that NONE of the material I have seen come out of the WAPF is presented

properly to appeal to people who are used to looking at advertising

generated by the food and drug industries. Bad layout, poor writing, a

tendency to jump from scientific discussion into unprofessional attacks of

the very industries they need to persuade -- all of these things are harming

their cause.

I think the one area where Sally may be doing her best work is with farmers.

She really seems to be building some bridges into that community and it

appears as though more and more farmers are buying in to this philosophy.

A couple of weeks ago my wife and I happened upon a restaurant that we had

not been to before. It was Saturday night and there were no tables

available so we ended up sitting at the bar which was located across from

the kitchen. The wait staff was unusually friendly and the menu was

unbelievable. There was almost nothing that I couldn't eat. Lots of

protein rich dishes with a clear lack of fear of fats of all kinds. The

meal was spectacular but as it turns out one of the more interesting things

was that the chef is a member of the Slow Food Network. The waiters talked

to us about it and we played dumb for a while as they explained the

philosophy. Then they brought us a brochure. It was beautiful! Finely

produced and clear and professionally written. It was a tremendous contrast

to what we would have seen had they handed us one of the WAPF brochures.

(While proofing this post I went to the Slow Food website. Check it out --

http://www.slowfood.com/ . Contrast that with the WAPF website.)

Ron

[Guest guest]

On 9/13/05, RBJR <rbjr@...> wrote:

> I met Sanda at one of Sandor Katz's fermentation workshops. [...]

> Then he and I found ourselves in the bathroom together. I tend to be shy

> around people I don't know but I tried to initiate a conversation while we

> were both at the sinks washing up. He was a total non-starter. After a

> couple of attempts I gave up. It was a real surprise -- how can he do his

> job and promote the organization if he can't communicate with even one

> person who was really trying to keep the conversation going?

Ron,

I've met Bill Sanda a couple times and have never gotten this

impression. Isn't it possible he was just having an off-day... maybe

sick or distracted?

Chris

[Guest guest]

Ron-

>Good lord. I've thought of about 10 ways to approach this and I don't really

>much like any of them simply because they will not be persuasive. This is a

>subject that should best be discussed over a bottle of wine and a fine meal

>somewhere in SONO. Or Manhattan or Durham, for that matter. We have good

>restaurants down here in NC.

Well, I am looking into the possibility of going to the Wise Traditions

conference after all, so we might get that opportunity in the relatively

near future, except that hotels are looking really expensive. The

conference rate is absurd. Surely they could've negotiated a better group

rate... or is that hotel/region really super-expensive?

>I will make two comments on the above. Declaring that the concept of an

>etheric body is of the same caliber as the creation myths of a religion is a

>false argument, I think. You can get observable result by working with the

>etheric body model -- hence Cowan's comments -- but a creation myth is what

>it is. There are distinctions that need to be made when discussing this

>kind of thing that I find you tend not to make when you write about it.

As far as distinguishing between creation myths and mythological

explanations of the natural world... OK, you have a legitimate point. I

shouldn't have brought creation myths into the discussion. But I think the

concept of an etheric body is very much a mythological explanation of an

aspect of the natural world, just as many cultures have believed that all

sorts of different spirits are behind the weather, volcanos, ill health,

droughts, and so on. You could sometimes get observable results from those

mythological explanations -- if, for example, it was believed that

such-and-such an herb would drive out the evil spirit causing ABC sickness

even though what was actually going on was a boosting of the immune system

or something like that -- but that doesn't mean that the mythological

component of the explanation had any real validity. Cowan made a number of

practical suggestions of herbs and supplements and treatments in his

column. At least some of them are almost certainly good. (I question the

wisdom of giving sick kids diarrhea, if that's what he was really getting

at., but that's a whole other conversation.) That doesn't mean that an

herb that has a strong " air " component will help " liberate " the " etheric

body " . (I'm probably mangling that part of what he said, but just

substitute the correct language and my point will stand.)

>I would offer this suggestion to you. You now have enough knowledge of how

>to run EFT properly that you can begin to do some imaginary surrogate

>tapping for issues on other people. This was one of the first experiences I

>had that lead me to question the materialist Western model that I formerly

>held on to as tightly as you do now.

One problem here is that " the materialist Western model " could mean so many

different things. I profoundly reject the blinkered,

surrogate-endpoint-obsessive corrupted-by-industry model of modern

medicine, as you well know. And I concede that we have a grossly

incomplete understanding of consciousness and the mind. But I do embrace

the scientific method (NOT the corrupted, fallen form of science widely

practiced in medical and health fields today) wholeheartedly, and I think

that if true scientific inquiry proceeds apace, we can eventually acquire a

full scientific understanding of both of them.

But while there's doubtless lots of useful practical information in a wide

variety of medical and even spiritual traditions, and while western

civilization has mistakenly thrown out the good with the bad, those

traditions have to be understood for what they are -- a mixture of

mythology, intuition, trial and error, and experiential analysis.

>I have seen this work too many times

>for it to be mere coincidence. You don't have to believe that it will work

>but you do have to do the tapping as if you believe it. Just

>imagine/mentally picture tapping on the person who is in distress and think

>through what they must be experiencing as you do it. Use the " even though "

>phrases and then mentally tap your way around their body while holding their

>distressed content in your mind. Do a few rounds and watch what happens I

>have found that babies and children are the easiest to work with but I have

>seen it clearly alter mood in distressed adults, too.

I'm not sure how I'd go about this with the people I have proximately

available, but I'll give it some thought.

>Should you get the same results I have gotten you may find yourself looking

>for other models to explain it.

I doubt it, but I think that's because you think I'm using a different

model than the one I'm actually using. My model is that of true unbiased

open-minded but ever-skeptical scientific inquiry. Have you ever heard how

major new scientific theories, even in hard disciplines like physics,

generally fail to gain wide acceptance until all the old scientists

die? That's because scientists, like everyone else, are human, and fail to

perfectly and fully engage in dispassionate rational thinking and

scientific inquiry. I'm not saying I'm better than everyone else in this

regard, but I am at least aware of the problem and I try my best to avoid it.

As Carl Sagan wrote in _The Demon-Haunted World_ (a book I recommend

extremely highly, BTW) it's worth conducting a proper scientific analysis

to determine whether people can actually affect (barely) random numbers

generated by computers -- not because it's likely to be true, but because

we've got to be open to the possibilities, and every now and then something

that seems absurd turns out to have something to it.

Check out his discussion of astrology, starting on page 302.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0345409469/ref=sib_vae_pg_302/102-0422969-885290\

8?%5Fencoding=UTF8 & keywords=random%20numbers & p=S08X & twc=4 & checkSum=Y0pxq3x8VsYb2\

RPluhMWjC82Jp2igtkRJG5sYqbCjm0%3D#reader-page

There are a few examples of the sort of misguided thinking I try to avoid

in Pinker's otherwise excellent book _The Blank Slate: The Modern

Denial of Human Nature_. He entirely dismisses concerns about genetically

modified foods because they appear to arise (and surely in many cases do

arise) from certain instinctual non-rational thought processes which are

part of our nature.

>I think that nutrition is easier. Clean up your diet and get the right food

>intake and, unless you are way too late, the body will heal. Finding the

>right healer who actually has some ability and then persistently applying

>the healing technology to create change is much more rare and much harder.

>But I have seen enough now to think that it is possible.

Have you ever seen any instances of a sick person regaining full health --

full Price's-healthy-natives-level health -- or even anything close to it

without dietary change but with energy healing?

>As for energy in general -- I know people who are in very unhealthy states

>but seem to feel great and have lots of vigor. My wife and I know a person

>who is clearly in heavy catabolism and is dropping muscle mass from a too

>low cal diet but still feels as energetic as she ever was. No loss of

>strength or increased fatigue.

She's running on her adrenals at the moment, and sooner or later they'll

burn out and she'll be in heap-o trouble.

> Ken Morehead told me about his early work in

>Santa Fe dealing with pro sports athletes who were there in the off season.

>He talked about how they had this incredible vitality that allowed them do

>amazing things even while their bodies were massively toxic. We all know

>old people who have lived long and healthy lives feeling good and being

>useful while eating very poorly. What is going on with that? Etc, etc.

I think you may be making the mistake of thinking that our bodies are

relatively simple systems and that therefore when someone does the wrong

things and doesn't (apparently) suffer from them, there must be something

entirely separate (energy? whatever that actually means) at work. In fact

human physiology is STUNNINGLY complicated and involves a truly gargantuan

armada of variables, so it's not surprising in the least that different

people respond differently to different conditions.

>OTOH, I know people who have done

>so and still do not get substantially better. There must be other mechanisms

>at work

I think you're making the same mistake here. Different people are going to

have different defects in their metabolisms, meaning they'll respond

differently to different micro- and macronutrients. I'm not saying some

people should be vegetarians and others must be carnivores, but I've seen

this happen over and over again -- some people realize massive improvements

in their health and well-being by making a specific dietary change or

taking one particular supplement, and yet most other people don't respond

to that same thing to nearly the same degree. Forget about metabolic

typing, though there seems to be at least some merit to that. I'm talking

about the differences in damage on an essentially unseen level to different

people's metabolisms.

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[Guest guest]

Ron-

>OTOH, I know people who have done

>so and still do not get substantially better. There must be other mechanisms

>at work

I got distracted and forgot to include the most important component of my

argument! Nowadays, the vast majority of even the " right " foods are

complete garbage compared to what they should be. Virtually all the soil

on which our foods are raised, even grass-fed bison liver and other

" superfoods " , is in a very sad state. So few if any of the foods we can

get have nearly the healing power they should -- and furthermore, the food

one person gets in one place is not really the same as the same food raised

in another place, so different people are likely to have different results

just because of different nutritional deficiencies in seemingly identical

foods they're all eating.

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[Guest guest]

That is very possible. He didn't seem sick though. I realize that one

interaction doesn't make a trend but I did get to observe him for an 8 hour

day interacting with others.

Ron

> I've met Bill Sanda a couple times and have never gotten this

> impression. Isn't it possible he was just having an off-day... maybe

> sick or distracted?

>

[Guest guest]

> Well, I am looking into the possibility of going to the Wise Traditions

> conference after all, so we might get that opportunity in the

relatively

> near future, except that hotels are looking really expensive. The

> conference rate is absurd. Surely they could've negotiated a better

group

> rate... or is that hotel/region really super-expensive?

,

You know you can volunteer for six hours in exchange for admission?

The volunteer positions may all be taken at this point, but if you

care to inquire, I'll give you the info.

B.

[Guest guest]

On 9/13/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

>

> > Well, I am looking into the possibility of going to the Wise Traditions

> > conference after all, so we might get that opportunity in the

> relatively

> > near future, except that hotels are looking really expensive. The

> > conference rate is absurd. Surely they could've negotiated a better

> group

> > rate... or is that hotel/region really super-expensive?

>

> ,

> You know you can volunteer for six hours in exchange for admission?

> The volunteer positions may all be taken at this point, but if you

> care to inquire, I'll give you the info.

> B.

That still leaves the room, but I'd suggest asking someone to room

with. I split my room three ways last year and this year, which trims

the cost down quite a bit.

This year they've moved the conference to an even fancier hotel than

usual, so the price might be up... also, it's a hop, skip, and jump

away from DC, and I imagine that, given the significance of the area,

the hotels are a lot more expensive there, all else being equal.

Chris

--

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And Cause Transient Global Amnesia:

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[Guest guest]

> That still leaves the room, but I'd suggest asking someone to room

> with. I split my room three ways last year and this year, which trims

> the cost down quite a bit.

>

> This year they've moved the conference to an even fancier hotel than

> usual, so the price might be up... also, it's a hop, skip, and jump

> away from DC, and I imagine that, given the significance of the area,

> the hotels are a lot more expensive there, all else being equal.

The way I undestood the deal with the rooms, is, they may be pricey,

but at this hotel there is no surcharge for additional guests per

room, thus a cost-benefit for those who wish to save money by sharing

rooms.

B.

[Guest guest]

If I'd known this about volunteering in exchange for admission I would

have seriously considered attending. If someone inquires, can you post

here if they still have volunteering positions available? Thanks.

Tom

Masterjohn wrote:

>On 9/13/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>Well, I am looking into the possibility of going to the Wise Traditions

>>>conference after all, so we might get that opportunity in the

>>>

>>>

>>relatively

>>

>>

>>>near future, except that hotels are looking really expensive. The

>>>conference rate is absurd. Surely they could've negotiated a better

>>>

>>>

>>group

>>

>>

>>>rate... or is that hotel/region really super-expensive?

>>>

>>>

>>,

>>You know you can volunteer for six hours in exchange for admission?

>>The volunteer positions may all be taken at this point, but if you

>>care to inquire, I'll give you the info.

>> B.

>>

>>

>

>That still leaves the room, but I'd suggest asking someone to room

>with. I split my room three ways last year and this year, which trims

>the cost down quite a bit.

>

>This year they've moved the conference to an even fancier hotel than

>usual, so the price might be up... also, it's a hop, skip, and jump

>away from DC, and I imagine that, given the significance of the area,

>the hotels are a lot more expensive there, all else being equal.

>

>Chris

>

>

[Guest guest]

> If I'd known this about volunteering in exchange for admission I would

> have seriously considered attending. If someone inquires, can you post

> here if they still have volunteering positions available? Thanks.

Tom,

Contact Misty

240-379-7070

Misty@...

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of L. Jeanne

>

>

>If I'd known this about volunteering in exchange for admission I would

>have seriously considered attending. If someone inquires, can you post

>here if they still have volunteering positions available? Thanks.

>

>Tom

Tom, call Misty ASAP (240-379-7070). They have a few positions available. I

just signed and me up this morning. THey still have openings for

working the WAPF booth, CEU booth, New Trends Publishing booth and

babysitting. You must work 6 hours. Covers all entrance fees except the

Friday banquet and Saturday dinner.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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Chris-

>That still leaves the room, but I'd suggest asking someone to room

>with. I split my room three ways last year and this year, which trims

>the cost down quite a bit.

What, the $139 isn't per-occupant?

OK, is anyone interested in splitting a room, then? (And how do you pull

off three people in a room? Do they actually provide three beds?)

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[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Idol

>

>

>Chris-

>

>>That still leaves the room, but I'd suggest asking someone to room

>>with. I split my room three ways last year and this year, which trims

>>the cost down quite a bit.

>

>What, the $139 isn't per-occupant?

That would be obscene. I shared a room last year and paid $30-something per

night, so I doubt it.

>

>OK, is anyone interested in splitting a room, then? (And how do you pull

>off three people in a room? Do they actually provide three beds?)

2 beds. Two people double up. Hey, this is your chance to get in bed with an

Orthodox Christian! <weg> Not , I mean Chris. OK, not my place to

offer his bed space to you. Besides, I have no idea if he's doubling up with

one of the ladies he's rooming with...<sorry chris, for speculating on your

bed situation>

There is a room share coordinator if you don't have success finding

roommates here. Contact info: PTF Associates (240) 379-7072

or email registrar@...

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

Suze-

>That would be obscene. I shared a room last year and paid $30-something per

>night, so I doubt it.

The WAPF page says " Conference room rates are $139 double, triple or

quadruple occupancy. " , and AFAIK, double-occupancy means the room is

$139/person for the room in hotel-speak. But if I could cut that in half

or better, it might be more doable.

>2 beds. Two people double up. Hey, this is your chance to get in bed with an

>Orthodox Christian! <weg> Not , I mean Chris. OK, not my place to

>offer his bed space to you. Besides, I have no idea if he's doubling up with

>one of the ladies he's rooming with...<sorry chris, for speculating on your

>bed situation>

LOL! Well, I'll let various list members speak for themselves, and failing

that, I'll call the room share coordinator. Thanks for the info.

-

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Idol

>

>

>Suze-

>

>>That would be obscene. I shared a room last year and paid

>$30-something per

>>night, so I doubt it.

>

>The WAPF page says " Conference room rates are $139 double, triple or

>quadruple occupancy. " , and AFAIK, double-occupancy means the room is

>$139/person for the room in hotel-speak. But if I could cut that in half

>or better, it might be more doable.

That's not how it worked last year though. Admittedly we didn't tell them we

had 5 people in our room! Aside from that, the Foundation has emphasized

that it's a better deal this year because regardless of how many occupants,

the price remains the same. So I'm thinking it's $139 per room per night.

>

>>2 beds. Two people double up. Hey, this is your chance to get in

>bed with an

>>Orthodox Christian! <weg> Not , I mean Chris. OK, not my place to

>>offer his bed space to you. Besides, I have no idea if he's

>doubling up with

>>one of the ladies he's rooming with...<sorry chris, for

>speculating on your

>>bed situation>

>

>LOL! Well, I'll let various list members speak for themselves,

>and failing

>that, I'll call the room share coordinator. Thanks for the info.

If you don't get offers here I'd be happy to post a request on the

chapterleader list, as many of them will be going.

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Suze-

>That's not how it worked last year though. Admittedly we didn't tell them we

>had 5 people in our room!

Good god! I'm no bathroom hog (far from it) but five to a room seems a bit

much even to me. And what did you do about room keys?

>Aside from that, the Foundation has emphasized

>that it's a better deal this year because regardless of how many occupants,

>the price remains the same. So I'm thinking it's $139 per room per night.

Huh, well, OK, that puts a slightly better complexion on it.

>If you don't get offers here I'd be happy to post a request on the

>chapterleader list, as many of them will be going.

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

> LOL! Well, I'll let various list members speak for themselves, and

failing

> that, I'll call the room share coordinator. Thanks for the info.

,

Hey Irene--what says you--shall we let him in? He always brings a

full cooler...

B.

/will sleep on the cot

[Guest guest]

On 9/14/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Chris-

>

> >That still leaves the room, but I'd suggest asking someone to room

> >with. I split my room three ways last year and this year, which trims

> >the cost down quite a bit.

>

> What, the $139 isn't per-occupant?

>

> OK, is anyone interested in splitting a room, then? (And how do you pull

> off three people in a room? Do they actually provide three beds?)

Last year two double/queen beds and the rest on the floor. I'm not

sure if they were out of cots or just didn't have any left. Of course

wanting to be off service I took the floor and three ladies and a

gentleman got the bed(s) <g>

--

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[Guest guest]

On 9/14/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Suze-

>

> >That's not how it worked last year though. Admittedly we didn't tell them we

> >had 5 people in our room!

>

> Good god! I'm no bathroom hog (far from it) but five to a room seems a bit

> much even to me. And what did you do about room keys?

There were two couples and one married lady whose husband stayed away.

The couples shared the room key and I'm not sure how managed

but she did. I mean we were all right there together for most of the

time anyway throughout the entire conference. Easy to snag someone's

key and head up the elevator.

I think we all stayed together even when we were out on the town at

night although I seem to recall hanging out on 18th street with Chris

and Suze but that may have been after the big huge communal dinner at

whatever bar/restaurant we were at.

I don't remember the bathroom being much of a problem.

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[Guest guest]

If I go I would be very interested in splitting a room with and

anyone else. The more the merrier. I need to find out if I can go first;

give me a couple of days.

Tom

Idol wrote:

>Chris-

>

>

>

>>That still leaves the room, but I'd suggest asking someone to room

>>with. I split my room three ways last year and this year, which trims

>>the cost down quite a bit.

>>

>>

>

>What, the $139 isn't per-occupant?

>

>OK, is anyone interested in splitting a room, then? (And how do you pull

>off three people in a room? Do they actually provide three beds?)

>

>

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>You know you can volunteer for six hours in exchange for admission?

>The volunteer positions may all be taken at this point, but if you

>care to inquire, I'll give you the info.

Hmm, I'll consider this overnight and then maybe call tomorrow.

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On 9/14/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> 2 beds. Two people double up. Hey, this is your chance to get in bed with

> an Orthodox Christian! <weg> Not , I mean Chris.

Now that was just out of line.

> OK, not my place to

> offer his bed space to you. Besides, I have no idea if he's doubling up

> with one of the ladies he's rooming with...<sorry chris, for speculating on

your

> bed situation.

Oh that's fine-- I believe that's something we'll straighten out when

we get there-- but I'm more curious to know why you thought was

looking to get into bed with an Orthodox. Unless this was a reference

to better luck finding someone willing to nurse among conservative

Christians, in which case I have a technological deficit.

*scratches head*

Chris

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