Re: Re: Occupy

[Guest guest]

I think some of those statistics also take into consideration the changing

cultures that make up our population. Most Asian cultures have issue with dairy

as do more African cultures -- so given the 'melting' pot that both of our

countries are, that could be reflected in that statistics.  Also Lactose

Intolerance increases with age (the US is growing older all the time) and low

fat or no-fat milk has a higher percentage of lactose  - so many people drink

low fat!

and what do the cows eat that produce the milk??  tons of grains and stuff they

were never meant to eat (they have a 3 stomach system built for taking care of

grass, not grain and grains are what cause stomach distress & gas for cows!) ...

that's gotta also be in the milk that they produce. 

________________________________

To: insideoutweightloss

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:37 AM

Subject: Re: Occupy

 

It's so frustrating! I was listening to the most interesting speech on

the weekend (from Latest in Paleo.. I really like the info he gives, but

I think he draws lines that he shouldn't with his own opinions which are

not based on facts.. But otherwise..

Anyway, there was a talk by a lady who said that milk is the #1 allergy..

I thought that strange, because I only know 1 person with a milk allergy.

Then she mentioned it is the #1 new allergy in the US.

It is an American opinion that milk should be organic. I always ask why

people want to switch to organic here and they say because of the growth

hormone and antibiotics injected. Well.. those things are not allowed in

Canada. That is crazy to think that the one thing has made a huge

difference and it is not an issue a few hours north of you all.

That being said.. I believe we have the same issues with soy, corn and

rice and how they have been modified.. I have no proof about it being in

Canada.. but... it's crazy what we let our food manufacturers get away

with..

*sigh*

[Guest guest]

Coming out of lurking to say that I agree with Colleen and would posit that most

of us aren't that well adapted to dairy, not in the increasing amounts we

consume.  I only say what I have to say below because the topic was brought up.

I have so far resisted

interjecting anything that borders on diet-related content, but for me it's a

whole health thing. I LOVE the taste of dairy, but I really restrict it because

I feel better not eating/drinking it.

I am less bothered by milk enzymes and sugars (lactose) than with the protein

(casein and when), and though I do not have my research at my fingertips, I

recall there is a difference between A1 and A1 milk-producing cows. One if them

is supposed to be the ancient strain (the good cows) and the other one produces

the milk we get in supermarkets. The good cow is supposed to be easier on those

with allergies. Goat and sheep milk falls into the 'easier' category. 

I wouldn't bother with organic milk unless you know for a fact that the cows are

free range and eat a diet that is mostly grass. Why pay more money for the milk

from cows who are still kept in a feedlot but are being fed organic grains? That

milk will still be higher in ratio of omega-6 fatty acids (pro inflammatory)

instead of the much healthier omega 3s, so you're just paying more for the same

potential health problems.

I am gluten sensitive (probably celiac) so it's much less about lactose for me

than about the milk's protein casein. I also remember reading that dairy

contains growth hormones, so it's one of those " healthy " foods that should be

given more careful consideration when trying to release fat ... and not an ideal

food for those of us with insulin resistance, prediabetes, or diabetes. 

And, of course, there's the fact that we're the only species who continues to

drink milk after we are weaned AND who drinks the milk from a species not our

own!! Kind of makes me wonder what went through that first farmer's mind when he

saw his first swollen, swinging udder. If I thought about that more often, I'd

probably not have dated dating Ben & Jerry all these years.

My allergies and a zillion non-specific health issues (which turned out to be

related) are what led me to consume a predominantly Paleo diet. I later gave up

nightshades to deal with the last aches and pains that didn't go away from

reducing carb intake. The complete turnaround in my my health (and serum levels)

was outstanding, and I felt and slept so much better.  I can tell immediately

when my dairy intake is creeping up by the way I feel.

Of course I still carry excess weight because chocolate is its own food group,

dontcha know.   And, sadly for me, I also discovered coconut milk ice cream.

That's why I am still on this group. hee.

xx

________________________________

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:25 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

 

I think some of those statistics also take into consideration the changing

cultures that make up our population. Most Asian cultures have issue with dairy

as do more African cultures -- so given the 'melting' pot that both of our

countries are, that could be reflected in that statistics.  Also Lactose

Intolerance increases with age (the US is growing older all the time) and low

fat or no-fat milk has a higher percentage of lactose  - so many people drink

low fat!

and what do the cows eat that produce the milk??  tons of grains and stuff they

were never meant to eat (they have a 3 stomach system built for taking care of

grass, not grain and grains are what cause stomach distress & gas for cows!) ...

that's gotta also be in the milk that they produce. 

________________________________

To: insideoutweightloss

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:37 AM

Subject: Re: Occupy

 

It's so frustrating! I was listening to the most interesting speech on

the weekend (from Latest in Paleo.. I really like the info he gives, but

I think he draws lines that he shouldn't with his own opinions which are

not based on facts.. But otherwise..

Anyway, there was a talk by a lady who said that milk is the #1 allergy..

I thought that strange, because I only know 1 person with a milk allergy.

Then she mentioned it is the #1 new allergy in the US.

It is an American opinion that milk should be organic. I always ask why

people want to switch to organic here and they say because of the growth

hormone and antibiotics injected. Well.. those things are not allowed in

Canada. That is crazy to think that the one thing has made a huge

difference and it is not an issue a few hours north of you all.

That being said.. I believe we have the same issues with soy, corn and

rice and how they have been modified.. I have no proof about it being in

Canada.. but... it's crazy what we let our food manufacturers get away

with..

*sigh*

[Guest guest]

love the dating Ben & Jerry line and about chocolate being it's own food

group!!  Too funny!

good point about the omega 6's too (will remember that!) when you're talking

grain fed dairy.  I've been using KerryGold butter & cheese as their cows are

grass fed and it also has a bit of a different taste which I really like

I started making paleo pops & ice 'cream " (coconut milk) so I could avoid more

of the dairy and still keep my after workout treat intact  (banana, almond

butter, vanilla, cocoa & coconut milk blended and then frozen)

the coconut milk ice cream from Trader Joes is my downfall and thankfully ,

they've been out of it for over two months now ...

 

 

________________________________

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:11 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

 

Coming out of lurking to say that I agree with Colleen and would posit that most

of us aren't that well adapted to dairy, not in the increasing amounts we

consume.  I only say what I have to say below because the topic was brought up.

I have so far resisted

interjecting anything that borders on diet-related content, but for me it's a

whole health thing. I LOVE the taste of dairy, but I really restrict it because

I feel better not eating/drinking it.

I am less bothered by milk enzymes and sugars (lactose) than with the protein

(casein and when), and though I do not have my research at my fingertips, I

recall there is a difference between A1 and A1 milk-producing cows. One if them

is supposed to be the ancient strain (the good cows) and the other one produces

the milk we get in supermarkets. The good cow is supposed to be easier on those

with allergies. Goat and sheep milk falls into the 'easier' category. 

I wouldn't bother with organic milk unless you know for a fact that the cows are

free range and eat a diet that is mostly grass. Why pay more money for the milk

from cows who are still kept in a feedlot but are being fed organic grains? That

milk will still be higher in ratio of omega-6 fatty acids (pro inflammatory)

instead of the much healthier omega 3s, so you're just paying more for the same

potential health problems.

I am gluten sensitive (probably celiac) so it's much less about lactose for me

than about the milk's protein casein. I also remember reading that dairy

contains growth hormones, so it's one of those " healthy " foods that should be

given more careful consideration when trying to release fat ... and not an ideal

food for those of us with insulin resistance, prediabetes, or diabetes. 

And, of course, there's the fact that we're the only species who continues to

drink milk after we are weaned AND who drinks the milk from a species not our

own!! Kind of makes me wonder what went through that first farmer's mind when he

saw his first swollen, swinging udder. If I thought about that more often, I'd

probably not have dated dating Ben & Jerry all these years.

My allergies and a zillion non-specific health issues (which turned out to be

related) are what led me to consume a predominantly Paleo diet. I later gave up

nightshades to deal with the last aches and pains that didn't go away from

reducing carb intake. The complete turnaround in my my health (and serum levels)

was outstanding, and I felt and slept so much better.  I can tell immediately

when my dairy intake is creeping up by the way I feel.

Of course I still carry excess weight because chocolate is its own food group,

dontcha know.   And, sadly for me, I also discovered coconut milk ice cream.

That's why I am still on this group. hee.

xx

________________________________

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:25 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

 

I think some of those statistics also take into consideration the changing

cultures that make up our population. Most Asian cultures have issue with dairy

as do more African cultures -- so given the 'melting' pot that both of our

countries are, that could be reflected in that statistics.  Also Lactose

Intolerance increases with age (the US is growing older all the time) and low

fat or no-fat milk has a higher percentage of lactose  - so many people drink

low fat!

and what do the cows eat that produce the milk??  tons of grains and stuff they

were never meant to eat (they have a 3 stomach system built for taking care of

grass, not grain and grains are what cause stomach distress & gas for cows!) ...

that's gotta also be in the milk that they produce. 

________________________________

To: insideoutweightloss

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:37 AM

Subject: Re: Occupy

 

It's so frustrating! I was listening to the most interesting speech on

the weekend (from Latest in Paleo.. I really like the info he gives, but

I think he draws lines that he shouldn't with his own opinions which are

not based on facts.. But otherwise..

Anyway, there was a talk by a lady who said that milk is the #1 allergy..

I thought that strange, because I only know 1 person with a milk allergy.

Then she mentioned it is the #1 new allergy in the US.

It is an American opinion that milk should be organic. I always ask why

people want to switch to organic here and they say because of the growth

hormone and antibiotics injected. Well.. those things are not allowed in

Canada. That is crazy to think that the one thing has made a huge

difference and it is not an issue a few hours north of you all.

That being said.. I believe we have the same issues with soy, corn and

rice and how they have been modified.. I have no proof about it being in

Canada.. but... it's crazy what we let our food manufacturers get away

with..

*sigh*

[Guest guest]

Yikes, the below is a lesson in not submitting a message to the group when about

to go into a meeting.

I meant casein and whey (not when), and A1 and A2 cattle.

I'll crawl back into my cave now, lol.

________________________________

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:11 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

 

Coming out of lurking to say that I agree with Colleen and would posit that most

of us aren't that well adapted to dairy, not in the increasing amounts we

consume.  I only say what I have to say below because the topic was brought up.

I have so far resisted

interjecting anything that borders on diet-related content, but for me it's a

whole health thing. I LOVE the taste of dairy, but I really restrict it because

I feel better not eating/drinking it.

I am less bothered by milk enzymes and sugars (lactose) than with the protein

(casein and when), and though I do not have my research at my fingertips, I

recall there is a difference between A1 and A1 milk-producing cows. One if them

is supposed to be the ancient strain (the good cows) and the other one produces

the milk we get in supermarkets. The good cow is supposed to be easier on those

with allergies. Goat and sheep milk falls into the 'easier' category. 

I wouldn't bother with organic milk unless you know for a fact that the cows are

free range and eat a diet that is mostly grass. Why pay more money for the milk

from cows who are still kept in a feedlot but are being fed organic grains? That

milk will still be higher in ratio of omega-6 fatty acids (pro inflammatory)

instead of the much healthier omega 3s, so you're just paying more for the same

potential health problems.

I am gluten sensitive (probably celiac) so it's much less about lactose for me

than about the milk's protein casein. I also remember reading that dairy

contains growth hormones, so it's one of those " healthy " foods that should be

given more careful consideration when trying to release fat ... and not an ideal

food for those of us with insulin resistance, prediabetes, or diabetes. 

And, of course, there's the fact that we're the only species who continues to

drink milk after we are weaned AND who drinks the milk from a species not our

own!! Kind of makes me wonder what went through that first farmer's mind when he

saw his first swollen, swinging udder. If I thought about that more often, I'd

probably not have dated dating Ben & Jerry all these years.

My allergies and a zillion non-specific health issues (which turned out to be

related) are what led me to consume a predominantly Paleo diet. I later gave up

nightshades to deal with the last aches and pains that didn't go away from

reducing carb intake. The complete turnaround in my my health (and serum levels)

was outstanding, and I felt and slept so much better.  I can tell immediately

when my dairy intake is creeping up by the way I feel.

Of course I still carry excess weight because chocolate is its own food group,

dontcha know.   And, sadly for me, I also discovered coconut milk ice cream.

That's why I am still on this group. hee.

xx

________________________________

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:25 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

 

I think some of those statistics also take into consideration the changing

cultures that make up our population. Most Asian cultures have issue with dairy

as do more African cultures -- so given the 'melting' pot that both of our

countries are, that could be reflected in that statistics.  Also Lactose

Intolerance increases with age (the US is growing older all the time) and low

fat or no-fat milk has a higher percentage of lactose  - so many people drink

low fat!

and what do the cows eat that produce the milk??  tons of grains and stuff they

were never meant to eat (they have a 3 stomach system built for taking care of

grass, not grain and grains are what cause stomach distress & gas for cows!) ...

that's gotta also be in the milk that they produce. 

________________________________

To: insideoutweightloss

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:37 AM

Subject: Re: Occupy

 

It's so frustrating! I was listening to the most interesting speech on

the weekend (from Latest in Paleo.. I really like the info he gives, but

I think he draws lines that he shouldn't with his own opinions which are

not based on facts.. But otherwise..

Anyway, there was a talk by a lady who said that milk is the #1 allergy..

I thought that strange, because I only know 1 person with a milk allergy.

Then she mentioned it is the #1 new allergy in the US.

It is an American opinion that milk should be organic. I always ask why

people want to switch to organic here and they say because of the growth

hormone and antibiotics injected. Well.. those things are not allowed in

Canada. That is crazy to think that the one thing has made a huge

difference and it is not an issue a few hours north of you all.

That being said.. I believe we have the same issues with soy, corn and

rice and how they have been modified.. I have no proof about it being in

Canada.. but... it's crazy what we let our food manufacturers get away

with..

*sigh*

[Guest guest]

Skypt,

Hi...how do you feel when you consume more dairy? More sluggish? Also, you said

you gave up nightshades? What is that? I have been reading a lot of books lately

on raw food eating and have tried to incorporate as many vegetables/raw foods as

I can into my diet but I am still totally hooked on dairy products. What kind of

difference do you feel when you avoid them?

Btw, Have you read the book, The China Syndrome? Very very interesting!

I agree that chocolate should have its own food group. Sooo goooooddd.... :-)

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:53 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

 

Yikes, the below is a lesson in not submitting a message to the group when about

to go into a meeting.

I meant casein and whey (not when), and A1 and A2 cattle.

I'll crawl back into my cave now, lol.

________________________________

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:11 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

 

Coming out of lurking to say that I agree with Colleen and would posit that most

of us aren't that well adapted to dairy, not in the increasing amounts we

consume.  I only say what I have to say below because the topic was brought up.

I have so far resisted

interjecting anything that borders on diet-related content, but for me it's a

whole health thing. I LOVE the taste of dairy, but I really restrict it because

I feel better not eating/drinking it.

I am less bothered by milk enzymes and sugars (lactose) than with the protein

(casein and when), and though I do not have my research at my fingertips, I

recall there is a difference between A1 and A1 milk-producing cows. One if them

is supposed to be the ancient strain (the good cows) and the other one produces

the milk we get in supermarkets. The good cow is supposed to be easier on those

with allergies. Goat and sheep milk falls into the 'easier' category. 

I wouldn't bother with organic milk unless you know for a fact that the cows are

free range and eat a diet that is mostly grass. Why pay more money for the milk

from cows who are still kept in a feedlot but are being fed organic grains? That

milk will still be higher in ratio of omega-6 fatty acids (pro inflammatory)

instead of the much healthier omega 3s, so you're just paying more for the same

potential health problems.

I am gluten sensitive (probably celiac) so it's much less about lactose for me

than about the milk's protein casein. I also remember reading that dairy

contains growth hormones, so it's one of those " healthy " foods that should be

given more careful consideration when trying to release fat ... and not an ideal

food for those of us with insulin resistance, prediabetes, or diabetes. 

And, of course, there's the fact that we're the only species who continues to

drink milk after we are weaned AND who drinks the milk from a species not our

own!! Kind of makes me wonder what went through that first farmer's mind when he

saw his first swollen, swinging udder. If I thought about that more often, I'd

probably not have dated dating Ben & Jerry all these years.

My allergies and a zillion non-specific health issues (which turned out to be

related) are what led me to consume a predominantly Paleo diet. I later gave up

nightshades to deal with the last aches and pains that didn't go away from

reducing carb intake. The complete turnaround in my my health (and serum levels)

was outstanding, and I felt and slept so much better.  I can tell immediately

when my dairy intake is creeping up by the way I feel.

Of course I still carry excess weight because chocolate is its own food group,

dontcha know.   And, sadly for me, I also discovered coconut milk ice cream.

That's why I am still on this group. hee.

xx

________________________________

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:25 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

 

I think some of those statistics also take into consideration the changing

cultures that make up our population. Most Asian cultures have issue with dairy

as do more African cultures -- so given the 'melting' pot that both of our

countries are, that could be reflected in that statistics.  Also Lactose

Intolerance increases with age (the US is growing older all the time) and low

fat or no-fat milk has a higher percentage of lactose  - so many people drink

low fat!

and what do the cows eat that produce the milk??  tons of grains and stuff they

were never meant to eat (they have a 3 stomach system built for taking care of

grass, not grain and grains are what cause stomach distress & gas for cows!) ...

that's gotta also be in the milk that they produce. 

________________________________

To: insideoutweightloss

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:37 AM

Subject: Re: Occupy

 

It's so frustrating! I was listening to the most interesting speech on

the weekend (from Latest in Paleo.. I really like the info he gives, but

I think he draws lines that he shouldn't with his own opinions which are

not based on facts.. But otherwise..

Anyway, there was a talk by a lady who said that milk is the #1 allergy..

I thought that strange, because I only know 1 person with a milk allergy.

Then she mentioned it is the #1 new allergy in the US.

It is an American opinion that milk should be organic. I always ask why

people want to switch to organic here and they say because of the growth

hormone and antibiotics injected. Well.. those things are not allowed in

Canada. That is crazy to think that the one thing has made a huge

difference and it is not an issue a few hours north of you all.

That being said.. I believe we have the same issues with soy, corn and

rice and how they have been modified.. I have no proof about it being in

Canada.. but... it's crazy what we let our food manufacturers get away

with..

*sigh*

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the slow reply, , I just got my power back after losing it for

several days in a freak, pre-Halloween blizzard that left hundreds of thousands

without power.

When I consume dairy, I feel phlegmy. My nose runs and I clear my throat a lot.

Certain hard cheeses can also make me wheezy, and I can no longer eat bleu

cheese at all because bread (gluten) is used to create the mold. I don't really

notice any negative symptoms below my lungs--no aches or pains. I have no

problems digesting lactose. I sympathize because I love dairy.

When I avoid dairy products, my head is clear. It's hard at first, but after a

while, I prefer the way my tongue feels (clean!) without the dairy coating, and

I can taste food more intensely. After a few weeks without, dairy starts to look

gross to me, but I usually get sucked into consuming it again by caving in to a

craving for something like ice cream or pudding or heavy whipping cream on a

bowl of berries, and then I have to start the weaning out process all over

again.

Do you mean the China study? (The China Syndrome was a 70s film about a nuclear

reactor, lol!). Yes, and I don't agree with it at all. I also don't have much

respect for T. Colin , so it's probably best that I just steer clear of

any discussions on that topic.

I am a firm believer in Paleo-style eating, and I don't think much could

convince me otherwise. I feel great eating animal protein, lots of vegetables

and not much else (besides the previously-mentioned chocolate).  I do eat nuts

and seeds, but I try to keep the w3/w4 balance. My diet is excellent--better

than it has ever been in my life, but I still have issues with overconsumption,

which keeps me from getting thin.  Gaining as much weight as I did put me at

risk for developing diabetes, so I have found that eating above-ground veggies

(e.g., few or no roots vegs) keeps the carb intake on the low side, which has a

ton of health benefits and quality of life improvements for me (like endorphin

rushes that border on euphoria). I almost never eat legumes, which contain

lectins, and I eat virtually zero cereal grains, including rice. On thing that

didn't happen when I lowered my carbs was not all the aches and pains went away.

I was experiencing hip pain

in bed at night, such that I had to turn over a lot, and my knees would bother

me descending stairs. I read that people with arthritis often give up

nightshades (pro inflammatory) with great success, so I tried it (even though I

have never been dx with arthritis), and the difference was both immediate and

very noticeable. I thought it was a fluke so I ate some tomatoes and peppers

and,sure enough, that night in bed my hips hurt. It's hard not eating fresh

tomatoes and peppers in the summer, but there are plenty of other things to eat,

and I feel better when I abstain from nightshades. 

I should qualify the above paragraph by saying I don't recommend such an austere

diet for everyone! Or anyone unless medically necessary ... or you have a bunch

of nonspecific ailments you'd like to eliminate. I eat this way because of some

health problems I had a few years ago, many of which were caused by eating an

extremely lowfat./high carb diet (e.g., the Food Pyramid) for years.  Yep, the

more I adhered to that " healthy " diet, the more weight I gained.  (Two things I

never ever EVER eat are trans fats and high fructose corn

syrup. I'd always choose real butter (preferably grass fed) and real sugar.

Even fat people have standards, hee.)

As for the chocolate, I (mostly) gave up eating milk chocolate when I stopped

eating dairy. That was HARD, but doing so helped me cut back on sugar because

very dark chocolate is extremely low in sugar. In fact, if my sugar tooth is

deadened because I am eating " clean, " a couple squares of Lindt 85% coco tastes

good, whereas if I am eating sugar, that chocolate tastes like bitter baking

chocolate. Taste buds are interesting things and, as often says, they can

be retrained.

________________________________

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:11 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

 

Skypt,

Hi...how do you feel when you consume more dairy? More sluggish? Also, you said

you gave up nightshades? What is that? I have been reading a lot of books lately

on raw food eating and have tried to incorporate as many vegetables/raw foods as

I can into my diet but I am still totally hooked on dairy products. What kind of

difference do you feel when you avoid them?

Btw, Have you read the book, The China Syndrome? Very very interesting!

I agree that chocolate should have its own food group. Sooo goooooddd.... :-)

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:53 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

 

Yikes, the below is a lesson in not submitting a message to the group when about

to go into a meeting.

I meant casein and whey (not when), and A1 and A2 cattle.

I'll crawl back into my cave now, lol.

________________________________

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:11 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

 

Coming out of lurking to say that I agree with Colleen and would posit that most

of us aren't that well adapted to dairy, not in the increasing amounts we

consume.  I only say what I have to say below because the topic was brought up.

I have so far resisted

interjecting anything that borders on diet-related content, but for me it's a

whole health thing. I LOVE the taste of dairy, but I really restrict it because

I feel better not eating/drinking it.

I am less bothered by milk enzymes and sugars (lactose) than with the protein

(casein and when), and though I do not have my research at my fingertips, I

recall there is a difference between A1 and A1 milk-producing cows. One if them

is supposed to be the ancient strain (the good cows) and the other one produces

the milk we get in supermarkets. The good cow is supposed to be easier on those

with allergies. Goat and sheep milk falls into the 'easier' category. 

I wouldn't bother with organic milk unless you know for a fact that the cows are

free range and eat a diet that is mostly grass. Why pay more money for the milk

from cows who are still kept in a feedlot but are being fed organic grains? That

milk will still be higher in ratio of omega-6 fatty acids (pro inflammatory)

instead of the much healthier omega 3s, so you're just paying more for the same

potential health problems.

I am gluten sensitive (probably celiac) so it's much less about lactose for me

than about the milk's protein casein. I also remember reading that dairy

contains growth hormones, so it's one of those " healthy " foods that should be

given more careful consideration when trying to release fat ... and not an ideal

food for those of us with insulin resistance, prediabetes, or diabetes. 

And, of course, there's the fact that we're the only species who continues to

drink milk after we are weaned AND who drinks the milk from a species not our

own!! Kind of makes me wonder what went through that first farmer's mind when he

saw his first swollen, swinging udder. If I thought about that more often, I'd

probably not have dated dating Ben & Jerry all these years.

My allergies and a zillion non-specific health issues (which turned out to be

related) are what led me to consume a predominantly Paleo diet. I later gave up

nightshades to deal with the last aches and pains that didn't go away from

reducing carb intake. The complete turnaround in my my health (and serum levels)

was outstanding, and I felt and slept so much better.  I can tell immediately

when my dairy intake is creeping up by the way I feel.

Of course I still carry excess weight because chocolate is its own food group,

dontcha know.   And, sadly for me, I also discovered coconut milk ice cream.

That's why I am still on this group. hee.

xx

________________________________

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:25 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

 

I think some of those statistics also take into consideration the changing

cultures that make up our population. Most Asian cultures have issue with dairy

as do more African cultures -- so given the 'melting' pot that both of our

countries are, that could be reflected in that statistics.  Also Lactose

Intolerance increases with age (the US is growing older all the time) and low

fat or no-fat milk has a higher percentage of lactose  - so many people drink

low fat!

and what do the cows eat that produce the milk??  tons of grains and stuff they

were never meant to eat (they have a 3 stomach system built for taking care of

grass, not grain and grains are what cause stomach distress & gas for cows!) ...

that's gotta also be in the milk that they produce. 

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To: insideoutweightloss

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:37 AM

Subject: Re: Occupy

 

It's so frustrating! I was listening to the most interesting speech on

the weekend (from Latest in Paleo.. I really like the info he gives, but

I think he draws lines that he shouldn't with his own opinions which are

not based on facts.. But otherwise..

Anyway, there was a talk by a lady who said that milk is the #1 allergy..

I thought that strange, because I only know 1 person with a milk allergy.

Then she mentioned it is the #1 new allergy in the US.

It is an American opinion that milk should be organic. I always ask why

people want to switch to organic here and they say because of the growth

hormone and antibiotics injected. Well.. those things are not allowed in

Canada. That is crazy to think that the one thing has made a huge

difference and it is not an issue a few hours north of you all.

That being said.. I believe we have the same issues with soy, corn and

rice and how they have been modified.. I have no proof about it being in

Canada.. but... it's crazy what we let our food manufacturers get away

with..

*sigh*

[Guest guest]

Dear chocolate and ice-cream users;

I have been there. Dairy makes me feel like a fat slug. And contributed to

making me think I & #39;m a fat slug instead of the intrinsically beautiful light

being I am.

I could eat A monsterous amount of ice-cream and chocolate, especially during

my cycle. I discovered dark chocolate and coconut ice-cream. I use to stand in

front of the freezer at midnight sucking away at the ice-cream. Will power

dissolves during my cycle, I became like a crazy she-mammal. It was like sex!

The guilty " I shouldn & #39;t be doing this " kind, not the sensuous feel great

every moment kind. Mayb I & #39;d eat a bite. Then later another piece. And

another. Not helpful.

Then I did renees compulsion blow out for ice-cream. It & #39;s been a month I

have not thought about ice-cream at all. I & #39;ve had 2 small bowls of frozen

yoget. I thought hm well maybe just because it & #39;s cold. I wasn & #39;t sure it

worke and I even wrote on here I didn & #39;t notice anything. haha!

So I did chocolate- that can strike anytime.

I have 4 bars of chocolate and two bags of cacoa powder I pass by every day in

my pantry I literally have no desire to eat. I feel dispassionate about it.

Indifferent. O just walk by it, easily. Totally effortlessly. I was at a 7-9 on

intensity for chocolate the night I did compulsion blow out my friends. I even

fell asleep during the compulsion blow out, and thought that effect it. And now

I forget I have chocolate in the pantry I have no desire for, probably going to

give it to a girl friend.

Another extremely interesting Effect I just noticed now is that I & #39;ve been

sharing with my emotions recently. I was really upset and cryin the other night

and I expressed my sadness my friend about it and he came over and just held me.

Chocolate was a drug for me. Being held and sharing my emotions- that was

medicine. and we were closer because of it.

Love y & #39;all,

[Guest guest]

Where can I find her compulsion blow out? I admit there are a few things that I

need it for too.

 

Thanks,

 

-Stacey

Subject: Re: Re: Occupy

To: insideoutweightloss

Received: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 4:15 PM

 

Dear chocolate and ice-cream users;

I have been there. Dairy makes me feel like a fat slug. And contributed to

making me think I & #39;m a fat slug instead of the intrinsically beautiful light

being I am.

I could eat A monsterous amount of ice-cream and chocolate, especially during my

cycle. I discovered dark chocolate and coconut ice-cream. I use to stand in

front of the freezer at midnight sucking away at the ice-cream. Will power

dissolves during my cycle, I became like a crazy she-mammal. It was like sex!

The guilty " I shouldn & #39;t be doing this " kind, not the sensuous feel great

every moment kind. Mayb I & #39;d eat a bite. Then later another piece. And

another. Not helpful.

Then I did renees compulsion blow out for ice-cream. It & #39;s been a month I

have not thought about ice-cream at all. I & #39;ve had 2 small bowls of frozen

yoget. I thought hm well maybe just because it & #39;s cold. I wasn & #39;t sure it

worke and I even wrote on here I didn & #39;t notice anything. haha!

So I did chocolate- that can strike anytime.

I have 4 bars of chocolate and two bags of cacoa powder I pass by every day in

my pantry I literally have no desire to eat. I feel dispassionate about it.

Indifferent. O just walk by it, easily. Totally effortlessly. I was at a 7-9 on

intensity for chocolate the night I did compulsion blow out my friends. I even

fell asleep during the compulsion blow out, and thought that effect it. And now

I forget I have chocolate in the pantry I have no desire for, probably going to

give it to a girl friend.

Another extremely interesting Effect I just noticed now is that I & #39;ve been

sharing with my emotions recently. I was really upset and cryin the other night

and I expressed my sadness my friend about it and he came over and just held me.

Chocolate was a drug for me. Being held and sharing my emotions- that was

medicine. and we were closer because of it.

Love y & #39;all,