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Ugh. Geneen Roth. That is a name from the past I hoped never to hear again with

many apologies in advance to Karin.

I am sure Geneen is wildly popular--she was one of the pioneers of normal

eating, at least in my little brain two decades ago. Unfortunately, she was not

for me. Maybe she delivers content in a more tangible, practical way, and maybe

I have a better foundation under me 20 years later, especially now that I've

been listening to 's more intuitive, useful and important work, but I can't

help but recoil from the thought of reading anything written by Geneen.  Sowwy

.........

It's obviously not her fault that I did not know how to process what I was

reading in a way that was healthy for me, or maybe I wasn't ready for it, but

that's the thing. I WAS ready. I really and truly was. I was desperate to love

and accept myself and stop obsessing about food, even though I still had tight

control over my size and liked the way I looked for the most part. I " saw "

myself on just about every page Geneen wrote (although raw cookie dough was

never my thing). But Geneen was, with zero doubt in my mind, the catalyst; she

represents the beginning of the end of my normal-sized body. Poor Geneen. She

forever remains deeply embroidered as part of my weight gain story since her

message set the whole thing in motion based on the knowledge and tools I had

then. She's that friend who betrayed me by leading me down the wrong path.

I might as well explain what happened so I don't sound like a ranting, lunatic,

Geneen basher. It's not her, really. It's how I interpreted her, but if I'd not

discovered her books, things might have been a lot different. I'll never know.

I had gained 15 pounds after an emergency appendectomy, which wasn't *that* big

a deal because I was still highly active (except while recovering, of course). I

wasn't thrilled with the flubber, but I'd had major surgery, and I could easily

drop 10 pounds with diet and lose the remaining 5 over a couple months as my

activity levels increased. No biggie. In fact, my weight maintenance range for

many years was 135-150 pounds, partly because of my athleticism, and I never had

any problem staying within that range, usually at the lower end. I was already

an adult, into my 30s, and had been the same shape and size since I was 15. I

happened to pick up a GR book while I was recovering, had my eyes bug out from

the thought of not dieting, and then bought all her books I could get hold of (5

at the time, if I recall).

To this day, I don't really remember what WRONG thing happened to me, I

certainly didn't eat raw cookies, but it was a utter and total food disaster. I

did a HUGE amount of journaling about what I read; I even started doing it on

the computer so I could write faster, pour my heart out, but all I felt was more

miserable. I even got a therapist who convinced me I ate because of my Starter

Husband (not true) and let me think divorce was a good idea. This was 1992.

October to be exact.

I read what she wrote, thought about it constantly, tried to eat " normally " and

what I wanted, gained weight, felt frustrated with myself that it wasn't

working, felt terrible, tried again with new resolve, gained weight, ate more

out of frustration, gained more, ate, gained, felt out of control, ate, gained,

blah blah woof woof. 

By the time I pulled myself out of that mess I weighed 180 pounds. I was

horrified. I had gained 30 pounds over my top weight EVER, and I was now 50

pounds above my ideal weight. What had previously been a small weight-loss task

was now something I had never had to face before. 50 pounds was enormous. It

felt impossible. I was in total despair. I was now clinically obese. I was now

FAT. You can't imagine the horror and shame. Actually, most of you probably can.

I began isolating, hating myself for my lack of discipline, withdrawing

physically and emotionally from the world. I didn't show up for anyone. I didn't

show up for myself. My marriage deteriorated, and my self worth was circling the

drain. As we all know, it's far too easy to continue down the awfukit path when

we are already lower than a snake's belly.

I became clinically depressed and did nothing but cry all day. I should also say

that I was living in Bar Harbor at the time, a place where they roll the

sidewalks up in October. We'd just moved there, and I was very alone. I was put

on massive doses of Prozac (80mg a day, when 10-20mg is the norm), but all that

did was make me numb. Oh, and it wreaked havoc with my metabolism tank and

created insane carb cravings. I lived on peanut butter sandwiches and read and

slept all day. I now realize I was experiencing hormonal shifts from blood

glucose but had no knowledge about insulin or restricting carbs to feel better.

Exercise? Forget it. I was to ashamed to let anyone see me. Ha ha look at the

fatty out there walking. Yes, that is how my brain worked.

My lack of knowledge wasn't because I wasn't curious. This was just before the

internet. I had a Prodigy account, but my online activity was pretty limited to

what was available in the early 90s. Conduct searches online? Nope. This was

long before Google. A few years before Dogpile. All I had at my disposal was a

doctor (the misguided therapist's husband) who told me to eat less and exercise

more (thanks, dude), a stack of self help books, and a pile of women's magazines

that were supposed to motivate me but only made me feel worse. (I also didn't

know about airbrushing back then, and though there were perfect people walking

around.)

By the time I emerged from that undulating black funk, I weighed 220 pounds. My

contract at Jax was ending. I was single again. I had to leave paradise and

temporarily move back home with my parents with my tail between my legs. I made

finding a job my fulltime job and I did it. I was in my own apartment, with a

great job, in a new state within 3 months, but before I left, I had discovered

OA, which was the the second greatest diet disaster that happened to me after

Geneen and not counting the horror of the Food Pyramid and the high-carb/lowfat

lifestyle. OA told me I could not only trust myself or my body but that I would

never ever be able to trust it again, that I was an addict and I would always be

one. I'll save that story for another day.

Oh, and 220 was not my top weight. 320 was. So for those of you who love reading

Geneen, forgive me for saying she is one friend I don't mind leaving behind, as

my memories of that time I spent with her were extremely traumatic. To each her

or her own.

Peace out,

Chloe

________________________________

Geneen Roth has written a book about just how food and money struggles are

related: Lost and Found, Unexpected Revelations about Food and Money.

I never relealized how my " issues " with both are related till I read it. As

always with Geneen's work: one eye opener after another!

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No offence taken, dear Chloe. I can see how GR can steer you the wrong way in

more than only one set of circumstances (as she does aknowlegde herself, though

you probably don't want to hear this LOL). Somehow I can't possibly see how that

could ever happen with 's teachings: I for one feel completely safe with

her and myself now:-)

Houdoe/take care, karin

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Op 13 jan. 2012 om 21:27 heeft skwpt het volgende geschreven:

> Ugh. Geneen Roth. That is a name from the past I hoped never to hear again

with many apologies in advance to Karin.

>

> I am sure Geneen is wildly popular--she was one of the pioneers of normal

eating, at least in my little brain two decades ago. Unfortunately, she was not

for me. Maybe she delivers content in a more tangible, practical way, and maybe

I have a better foundation under me 20 years later, especially now that I've

been listening to 's more intuitive, useful and important work, but I can't

help but recoil from the thought of reading anything written by Geneen. Sowwy

.........

>

> It's obviously not her fault that I did not know how to process what I was

reading in a way that was healthy for me, or maybe I wasn't ready for it, but

that's the thing. I WAS ready. I really and truly was. I was desperate to love

and accept myself and stop obsessing about food, even though I still had tight

control over my size and liked the way I looked for the most part. I " saw "

myself on just about every page Geneen wrote (although raw cookie dough was

never my thing). But Geneen was, with zero doubt in my mind, the catalyst; she

represents the beginning of the end of my normal-sized body. Poor Geneen. She

forever remains deeply embroidered as part of my weight gain story since her

message set the whole thing in motion based on the knowledge and tools I had

then. She's that friend who betrayed me by leading me down the wrong path.

>

> I might as well explain what happened so I don't sound like a ranting,

lunatic, Geneen basher. It's not her, really. It's how I interpreted her, but if

I'd not discovered her books, things might have been a lot different. I'll never

know.

>

> I had gained 15 pounds after an emergency appendectomy, which wasn't *that*

big a deal because I was still highly active (except while recovering, of

course). I wasn't thrilled with the flubber, but I'd had major surgery, and I

could easily drop 10 pounds with diet and lose the remaining 5 over a couple

months as my activity levels increased. No biggie. In fact, my weight

maintenance range for many years was 135-150 pounds, partly because of my

athleticism, and I never had any problem staying within that range, usually at

the lower end. I was already an adult, into my 30s, and had been the same shape

and size since I was 15. I happened to pick up a GR book while I was recovering,

had my eyes bug out from the thought of not dieting, and then bought all her

books I could get hold of (5 at the time, if I recall).

>

> To this day, I don't really remember what WRONG thing happened to me, I

certainly didn't eat raw cookies, but it was a utter and total food disaster. I

did a HUGE amount of journaling about what I read; I even started doing it on

the computer so I could write faster, pour my heart out, but all I felt was more

miserable. I even got a therapist who convinced me I ate because of my Starter

Husband (not true) and let me think divorce was a good idea. This was 1992.

October to be exact.

>

> I read what she wrote, thought about it constantly, tried to eat " normally "

and what I wanted, gained weight, felt frustrated with myself that it wasn't

working, felt terrible, tried again with new resolve, gained weight, ate more

out of frustration, gained more, ate, gained, felt out of control, ate, gained,

blah blah woof woof.

>

> By the time I pulled myself out of that mess I weighed 180 pounds. I was

horrified. I had gained 30 pounds over my top weight EVER, and I was now 50

pounds above my ideal weight. What had previously been a small weight-loss task

was now something I had never had to face before. 50 pounds was enormous. It

felt impossible. I was in total despair. I was now clinically obese. I was now

FAT. You can't imagine the horror and shame. Actually, most of you probably can.

I began isolating, hating myself for my lack of discipline, withdrawing

physically and emotionally from the world. I didn't show up for anyone. I didn't

show up for myself. My marriage deteriorated, and my self worth was circling the

drain. As we all know, it's far too easy to continue down the awfukit path when

we are already lower than a snake's belly.

>

> I became clinically depressed and did nothing but cry all day. I should also

say that I was living in Bar Harbor at the time, a place where they roll the

sidewalks up in October. We'd just moved there, and I was very alone. I was put

on massive doses of Prozac (80mg a day, when 10-20mg is the norm), but all that

did was make me numb. Oh, and it wreaked havoc with my metabolism tank and

created insane carb cravings. I lived on peanut butter sandwiches and read and

slept all day. I now realize I was experiencing hormonal shifts from blood

glucose but had no knowledge about insulin or restricting carbs to feel better.

Exercise? Forget it. I was to ashamed to let anyone see me. Ha ha look at the

fatty out there walking. Yes, that is how my brain worked.

>

> My lack of knowledge wasn't because I wasn't curious. This was just before the

internet. I had a Prodigy account, but my online activity was pretty limited to

what was available in the early 90s. Conduct searches online? Nope. This was

long before Google. A few years before Dogpile. All I had at my disposal was a

doctor (the misguided therapist's husband) who told me to eat less and exercise

more (thanks, dude), a stack of self help books, and a pile of women's magazines

that were supposed to motivate me but only made me feel worse. (I also didn't

know about airbrushing back then, and though there were perfect people walking

around.)

>

> By the time I emerged from that undulating black funk, I weighed 220 pounds.

My contract at Jax was ending. I was single again. I had to leave paradise and

temporarily move back home with my parents with my tail between my legs. I made

finding a job my fulltime job and I did it. I was in my own apartment, with a

great job, in a new state within 3 months, but before I left, I had discovered

OA, which was the the second greatest diet disaster that happened to me after

Geneen and not counting the horror of the Food Pyramid and the high-carb/lowfat

lifestyle. OA told me I could not only trust myself or my body but that I would

never ever be able to trust it again, that I was an addict and I would always be

one. I'll save that story for another day.

>

> Oh, and 220 was not my top weight. 320 was. So for those of you who love

reading Geneen, forgive me for saying she is one friend I don't mind leaving

behind, as my memories of that time I spent with her were extremely traumatic.

To each her or her own.

>

> Peace out,

>

> Chloe

>

> ________________________________

>

>

> Geneen Roth has written a book about just how food and money struggles are

related: Lost and Found, Unexpected Revelations about Food and Money.

> I never relealized how my " issues " with both are related till I read it. As

always with Geneen's work: one eye opener after another!

>

>

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It was a long time ago, but if memory serves, Geneen said you might even gain

wait at first.

Those were probably the magic words that should have sent me packing!

And, no, I can't imagine anything like that happening with 's podcasts. The

difference for me is had me feeling better immediately. When I read Geneen

I felt really depressed.

I sure wish I had discovered back then, but seems like she was in

that same leaky boat as the rest of us when she was in her 20s/early 30s. :)

Chloe

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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:32 PM

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No offence taken, dear Chloe. I can see how GR can steer you the wrong way in

more than only one set of circumstances (as she does aknowlegde herself, though

you probably don't want to hear this LOL). Somehow I can't possibly see how that

could ever happen with 's teachings: I for one feel completely safe with

her and myself now:-)

Houdoe/take care, karin

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Oh, Chloe! So many of the details of this post describe my struggle as well.

Bless you for sharing.

Marcia

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To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:27 PM

Subject: GR Rant that requires some history (WAS: [ IOWL |

FF ] Blog call!)

 

Ugh. Geneen Roth. That is a name from the past I hoped never to hear again with

many apologies in advance to Karin.

I am sure Geneen is wildly popular--she was one of the pioneers of normal

eating, at least in my little brain two decades ago. Unfortunately, she was not

for me. Maybe she delivers content in a more tangible, practical way, and maybe

I have a better foundation under me 20 years later, especially now that I've

been listening to 's more intuitive, useful and important work, but I can't

help but recoil from the thought of reading anything written by Geneen.  Sowwy

.........

It's obviously not her fault that I did not know how to process what I was

reading in a way that was healthy for me, or maybe I wasn't ready for it, but

that's the thing. I WAS ready. I really and truly was. I was desperate to love

and accept myself and stop obsessing about food, even though I still had tight

control over my size and liked the way I looked for the most part. I " saw "

myself on just about every page Geneen wrote (although raw cookie dough was

never my thing). But Geneen was, with zero doubt in my mind, the catalyst; she

represents the beginning of the end of my normal-sized body. Poor Geneen. She

forever remains deeply embroidered as part of my weight gain story since her

message set the whole thing in motion based on the knowledge and tools I had

then. She's that friend who betrayed me by leading me down the wrong path.

I might as well explain what happened so I don't sound like a ranting, lunatic,

Geneen basher. It's not her, really. It's how I interpreted her, but if I'd not

discovered her books, things might have been a lot different. I'll never know.

I had gained 15 pounds after an emergency appendectomy, which wasn't *that* big

a deal because I was still highly active (except while recovering, of course). I

wasn't thrilled with the flubber, but I'd had major surgery, and I could easily

drop 10 pounds with diet and lose the remaining 5 over a couple months as my

activity levels increased. No biggie. In fact, my weight maintenance range for

many years was 135-150 pounds, partly because of my athleticism, and I never had

any problem staying within that range, usually at the lower end. I was already

an adult, into my 30s, and had been the same shape and size since I was 15. I

happened to pick up a GR book while I was recovering, had my eyes bug out from

the thought of not dieting, and then bought all her books I could get hold of (5

at the time, if I recall).

To this day, I don't really remember what WRONG thing happened to me, I

certainly didn't eat raw cookies, but it was a utter and total food disaster. I

did a HUGE amount of journaling about what I read; I even started doing it on

the computer so I could write faster, pour my heart out, but all I felt was more

miserable. I even got a therapist who convinced me I ate because of my Starter

Husband (not true) and let me think divorce was a good idea. This was 1992.

October to be exact.

I read what she wrote, thought about it constantly, tried to eat " normally " and

what I wanted, gained weight, felt frustrated with myself that it wasn't

working, felt terrible, tried again with new resolve, gained weight, ate more

out of frustration, gained more, ate, gained, felt out of control, ate, gained,

blah blah woof woof. 

By the time I pulled myself out of that mess I weighed 180 pounds. I was

horrified. I had gained 30 pounds over my top weight EVER, and I was now 50

pounds above my ideal weight. What had previously been a small weight-loss task

was now something I had never had to face before. 50 pounds was enormous. It

felt impossible. I was in total despair. I was now clinically obese. I was now

FAT. You can't imagine the horror and shame. Actually, most of you probably can.

I began isolating, hating myself for my lack of discipline, withdrawing

physically and emotionally from the world. I didn't show up for anyone. I didn't

show up for myself. My marriage deteriorated, and my self worth was circling the

drain. As we all know, it's far too easy to continue down the awfukit path when

we are already lower than a snake's belly.

I became clinically depressed and did nothing but cry all day. I should also say

that I was living in Bar Harbor at the time, a place where they roll the

sidewalks up in October. We'd just moved there, and I was very alone. I was put

on massive doses of Prozac (80mg a day, when 10-20mg is the norm), but all that

did was make me numb. Oh, and it wreaked havoc with my metabolism tank and

created insane carb cravings. I lived on peanut butter sandwiches and read and

slept all day. I now realize I was experiencing hormonal shifts from blood

glucose but had no knowledge about insulin or restricting carbs to feel better.

Exercise? Forget it. I was to ashamed to let anyone see me. Ha ha look at the

fatty out there walking. Yes, that is how my brain worked.

My lack of knowledge wasn't because I wasn't curious. This was just before the

internet. I had a Prodigy account, but my online activity was pretty limited to

what was available in the early 90s. Conduct searches online? Nope. This was

long before Google. A few years before Dogpile. All I had at my disposal was a

doctor (the misguided therapist's husband) who told me to eat less and exercise

more (thanks, dude), a stack of self help books, and a pile of women's magazines

that were supposed to motivate me but only made me feel worse. (I also didn't

know about airbrushing back then, and though there were perfect people walking

around.)

By the time I emerged from that undulating black funk, I weighed 220 pounds. My

contract at Jax was ending. I was single again. I had to leave paradise and

temporarily move back home with my parents with my tail between my legs. I made

finding a job my fulltime job and I did it. I was in my own apartment, with a

great job, in a new state within 3 months, but before I left, I had discovered

OA, which was the the second greatest diet disaster that happened to me after

Geneen and not counting the horror of the Food Pyramid and the high-carb/lowfat

lifestyle. OA told me I could not only trust myself or my body but that I would

never ever be able to trust it again, that I was an addict and I would always be

one. I'll save that story for another day.

Oh, and 220 was not my top weight. 320 was. So for those of you who love reading

Geneen, forgive me for saying she is one friend I don't mind leaving behind, as

my memories of that time I spent with her were extremely traumatic. To each her

or her own.

Peace out,

Chloe

________________________________

Geneen Roth has written a book about just how food and money struggles are

related: Lost and Found, Unexpected Revelations about Food and Money.

I never relealized how my " issues " with both are related till I read it. As

always with Geneen's work: one eye opener after another!

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One of the things I tried was a book called " Intuitive Eating. " Baaaaaad

idea. I am at a point where that just flat out doesn't work for me. My

body is pretty clueless as to what it wants and it needs to learn what real

portions look like again and learn to be satisfied with them. At some

point it will work again, but now is not the time.

As part of one of the " assignments " of the book was to go ahead and just

eat whatever I wanted to see if I liked it basically, well, you can guess

what happened.

Full bag of potato chips? Don't mind if I do! And how do I feel after

eating that? Well, a bit gurgly, but... you said it was okay! Heck, I'm

gonna do this chapter for awhile! Wheeeeeee!

I'm sure that's not what the writer had in mind, but I think she failed to

recognize that she is talking to some people who are severely goofed up in

the food department. One of the many reasons I love -- she

understands our goofed-upness and relates to it and helps us actually deal

with it. And not in a confusing manner, in a real, get the point of the

problem manner.

> **

>

>

> Oh, Chloe! So many of the details of this post describe my struggle as

> well. Bless you for sharing.

> Marcia

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: " insideoutweightloss " <

> insideoutweightloss >

> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:27 PM

> Subject: GR Rant that requires some history (WAS: [

> IOWL | FF ] Blog call!)

>

>

>

>

>

> Ugh. Geneen Roth. That is a name from the past I hoped never to hear again

> with many apologies in advance to Karin.

>

> I am sure Geneen is wildly popular--she was one of the pioneers of normal

> eating, at least in my little brain two decades ago. Unfortunately, she was

> not for me. Maybe she delivers content in a more tangible, practical way,

> and maybe I have a better foundation under me 20 years later, especially

> now that I've been listening to 's more intuitive, useful and

> important work, but I can't help but recoil from the thought of reading

> anything written by Geneen. Sowwy ........

>

> It's obviously not her fault that I did not know how to process what I was

> reading in a way that was healthy for me, or maybe I wasn't ready for it,

> but that's the thing. I WAS ready. I really and truly was. I was desperate

> to love and accept myself and stop obsessing about food, even though I

> still had tight control over my size and liked the way I looked for the

> most part. I " saw " myself on just about every page Geneen wrote (although

> raw cookie dough was never my thing). But Geneen was, with zero doubt in my

> mind, the catalyst; she represents the beginning of the end of my

> normal-sized body. Poor Geneen. She forever remains deeply embroidered as

> part of my weight gain story since her message set the whole thing in

> motion based on the knowledge and tools I had then. She's that friend who

> betrayed me by leading me down the wrong path.

>

> I might as well explain what happened so I don't sound like a ranting,

> lunatic, Geneen basher. It's not her, really. It's how I interpreted her,

> but if I'd not discovered her books, things might have been a lot

> different. I'll never know.

>

> I had gained 15 pounds after an emergency appendectomy, which wasn't

> *that* big a deal because I was still highly active (except while

> recovering, of course). I wasn't thrilled with the flubber, but I'd had

> major surgery, and I could easily drop 10 pounds with diet and lose the

> remaining 5 over a couple months as my activity levels increased. No

> biggie. In fact, my weight maintenance range for many years was 135-150

> pounds, partly because of my athleticism, and I never had any problem

> staying within that range, usually at the lower end. I was already an

> adult, into my 30s, and had been the same shape and size since I was 15. I

> happened to pick up a GR book while I was recovering, had my eyes bug out

> from the thought of not dieting, and then bought all her books I could get

> hold of (5 at the time, if I recall).

>

> To this day, I don't really remember what WRONG thing happened to me, I

> certainly didn't eat raw cookies, but it was a utter and total food

> disaster. I did a HUGE amount of journaling about what I read; I even

> started doing it on the computer so I could write faster, pour my heart

> out, but all I felt was more miserable. I even got a therapist who

> convinced me I ate because of my Starter Husband (not true) and let me

> think divorce was a good idea. This was 1992. October to be exact.

>

> I read what she wrote, thought about it constantly, tried to eat

> " normally " and what I wanted, gained weight, felt frustrated with myself

> that it wasn't working, felt terrible, tried again with new resolve, gained

> weight, ate more out of frustration, gained more, ate, gained, felt out of

> control, ate, gained, blah blah woof woof.

>

> By the time I pulled myself out of that mess I weighed 180 pounds. I was

> horrified. I had gained 30 pounds over my top weight EVER, and I was now 50

> pounds above my ideal weight. What had previously been a small weight-loss

> task was now something I had never had to face before. 50 pounds was

> enormous. It felt impossible. I was in total despair. I was now clinically

> obese. I was now FAT. You can't imagine the horror and shame. Actually,

> most of you probably can. I began isolating, hating myself for my lack of

> discipline, withdrawing physically and emotionally from the world. I didn't

> show up for anyone. I didn't show up for myself. My marriage deteriorated,

> and my self worth was circling the drain. As we all know, it's far too easy

> to continue down the awfukit path when we are already lower than a snake's

> belly.

>

> I became clinically depressed and did nothing but cry all day. I should

> also say that I was living in Bar Harbor at the time, a place where they

> roll the sidewalks up in October. We'd just moved there, and I was very

> alone. I was put on massive doses of Prozac (80mg a day, when 10-20mg is

> the norm), but all that did was make me numb. Oh, and it wreaked havoc with

> my metabolism tank and created insane carb cravings. I lived on peanut

> butter sandwiches and read and slept all day. I now realize I was

> experiencing hormonal shifts from blood glucose but had no knowledge about

> insulin or restricting carbs to feel better. Exercise? Forget it. I was to

> ashamed to let anyone see me. Ha ha look at the fatty out there walking.

> Yes, that is how my brain worked.

>

> My lack of knowledge wasn't because I wasn't curious. This was just before

> the internet. I had a Prodigy account, but my online activity was pretty

> limited to what was available in the early 90s. Conduct searches online?

> Nope. This was long before Google. A few years before Dogpile. All I had at

> my disposal was a doctor (the misguided therapist's husband) who told me to

> eat less and exercise more (thanks, dude), a stack of self help books, and

> a pile of women's magazines that were supposed to motivate me but only made

> me feel worse. (I also didn't know about airbrushing back then, and though

> there were perfect people walking around.)

>

> By the time I emerged from that undulating black funk, I weighed 220

> pounds. My contract at Jax was ending. I was single again. I had to leave

> paradise and temporarily move back home with my parents with my tail

> between my legs. I made finding a job my fulltime job and I did it. I was

> in my own apartment, with a great job, in a new state within 3 months, but

> before I left, I had discovered OA, which was the the second greatest diet

> disaster that happened to me after Geneen and not counting the horror of

> the Food Pyramid and the high-carb/lowfat lifestyle. OA told me I could not

> only trust myself or my body but that I would never ever be able to trust

> it again, that I was an addict and I would always be one. I'll save that

> story for another day.

>

> Oh, and 220 was not my top weight. 320 was. So for those of you who love

> reading Geneen, forgive me for saying she is one friend I don't mind

> leaving behind, as my memories of that time I spent with her were extremely

> traumatic. To each her or her own.

>

> Peace out,

>

> Chloe

>

> ________________________________

>

>

> Geneen Roth has written a book about just how food and money struggles are

> related: Lost and Found, Unexpected Revelations about Food and Money.

> I never relealized how my " issues " with both are related till I read it.

> As always with Geneen's work: one eye opener after another!

>

>

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Ouch! Glad to have you here though. Keep posting, keep growing inside and

knowing you are cared about. This seems to me like a VERY safe community or I

would not be posting here. You are worth it girl, right now, as you are and who

you are. Thanks for being so open and honest. You inspire me.

 

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That is a book that was recommend to me by a dietitian but she said I was not

ready to use it.  I do have it and have read many parts of it and think

someday....I do think though that it would be in keeping with 's thought

processes in regards to food.

  Livingston

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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:23 PM

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One of the things I tried was a book called " Intuitive Eating. " Baaaaaad

idea. I am at a point where that just flat out doesn't work for me. My

body is pretty clueless as to what it wants and it needs to learn what real

portions look like again and learn to be satisfied with them. At some

point it will work again, but now is not the time.

As part of one of the " assignments " of the book was to go ahead and just

eat whatever I wanted to see if I liked it basically, well, you can guess

what happened.

Full bag of potato chips? Don't mind if I do! And how do I feel after

eating that? Well, a bit gurgly, but... you said it was okay! Heck, I'm

gonna do this chapter for awhile! Wheeeeeee!

I'm sure that's not what the writer had in mind, but I think she failed to

recognize that she is talking to some people who are severely goofed up in

the food department. One of the many reasons I love -- she

understands our goofed-upness and relates to it and helps us actually deal

with it. And not in a confusing manner, in a real, get the point of the

problem manner.

> **

>

>

> Oh, Chloe! So many of the details of this post describe my struggle as

> well. Bless you for sharing.

> Marcia

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: " insideoutweightloss " <

> insideoutweightloss >

> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:27 PM

> Subject: GR Rant that requires some history (WAS: [

> IOWL | FF ] Blog call!)

>

>

>

>

>

> Ugh. Geneen Roth. That is a name from the past I hoped never to hear again

> with many apologies in advance to Karin.

>

> I am sure Geneen is wildly popular--she was one of the pioneers of normal

> eating, at least in my little brain two decades ago. Unfortunately, she was

> not for me. Maybe she delivers content in a more tangible, practical way,

> and maybe I have a better foundation under me 20 years later, especially

> now that I've been listening to 's more intuitive, useful and

> important work, but I can't help but recoil from the thought of reading

> anything written by Geneen. Sowwy ........

>

> It's obviously not her fault that I did not know how to process what I was

> reading in a way that was healthy for me, or maybe I wasn't ready for it,

> but that's the thing. I WAS ready. I really and truly was. I was desperate

> to love and accept myself and stop obsessing about food, even though I

> still had tight control over my size and liked the way I looked for the

> most part. I " saw " myself on just about every page Geneen wrote (although

> raw cookie dough was never my thing). But Geneen was, with zero doubt in my

> mind, the catalyst; she represents the beginning of the end of my

> normal-sized body. Poor Geneen. She forever remains deeply embroidered as

> part of my weight gain story since her message set the whole thing in

> motion based on the knowledge and tools I had then. She's that friend who

> betrayed me by leading me down the wrong path.

>

> I might as well explain what happened so I don't sound like a ranting,

> lunatic, Geneen basher. It's not her, really. It's how I interpreted her,

> but if I'd not discovered her books, things might have been a lot

> different. I'll never know.

>

> I had gained 15 pounds after an emergency appendectomy, which wasn't

> *that* big a deal because I was still highly active (except while

> recovering, of course). I wasn't thrilled with the flubber, but I'd had

> major surgery, and I could easily drop 10 pounds with diet and lose the

> remaining 5 over a couple months as my activity levels increased. No

> biggie. In fact, my weight maintenance range for many years was 135-150

> pounds, partly because of my athleticism, and I never had any problem

> staying within that range, usually at the lower end. I was already an

> adult, into my 30s, and had been the same shape and size since I was 15. I

> happened to pick up a GR book while I was recovering, had my eyes bug out

> from the thought of not dieting, and then bought all her books I could get

> hold of (5 at the time, if I recall).

>

> To this day, I don't really remember what WRONG thing happened to me, I

> certainly didn't eat raw cookies, but it was a utter and total food

> disaster. I did a HUGE amount of journaling about what I read; I even

> started doing it on the computer so I could write faster, pour my heart

> out, but all I felt was more miserable. I even got a therapist who

> convinced me I ate because of my Starter Husband (not true) and let me

> think divorce was a good idea. This was 1992. October to be exact.

>

> I read what she wrote, thought about it constantly, tried to eat

> " normally " and what I wanted, gained weight, felt frustrated with myself

> that it wasn't working, felt terrible, tried again with new resolve, gained

> weight, ate more out of frustration, gained more, ate, gained, felt out of

> control, ate, gained, blah blah woof woof.

>

> By the time I pulled myself out of that mess I weighed 180 pounds. I was

> horrified. I had gained 30 pounds over my top weight EVER, and I was now 50

> pounds above my ideal weight. What had previously been a small weight-loss

> task was now something I had never had to face before. 50 pounds was

> enormous. It felt impossible. I was in total despair. I was now clinically

> obese. I was now FAT. You can't imagine the horror and shame. Actually,

> most of you probably can. I began isolating, hating myself for my lack of

> discipline, withdrawing physically and emotionally from the world. I didn't

> show up for anyone. I didn't show up for myself. My marriage deteriorated,

> and my self worth was circling the drain. As we all know, it's far too easy

> to continue down the awfukit path when we are already lower than a snake's

> belly.

>

> I became clinically depressed and did nothing but cry all day. I should

> also say that I was living in Bar Harbor at the time, a place where they

> roll the sidewalks up in October. We'd just moved there, and I was very

> alone. I was put on massive doses of Prozac (80mg a day, when 10-20mg is

> the norm), but all that did was make me numb. Oh, and it wreaked havoc with

> my metabolism tank and created insane carb cravings. I lived on peanut

> butter sandwiches and read and slept all day. I now realize I was

> experiencing hormonal shifts from blood glucose but had no knowledge about

> insulin or restricting carbs to feel better. Exercise? Forget it. I was to

> ashamed to let anyone see me. Ha ha look at the fatty out there walking.

> Yes, that is how my brain worked.

>

> My lack of knowledge wasn't because I wasn't curious. This was just before

> the internet. I had a Prodigy account, but my online activity was pretty

> limited to what was available in the early 90s. Conduct searches online?

> Nope. This was long before Google. A few years before Dogpile. All I had at

> my disposal was a doctor (the misguided therapist's husband) who told me to

> eat less and exercise more (thanks, dude), a stack of self help books, and

> a pile of women's magazines that were supposed to motivate me but only made

> me feel worse. (I also didn't know about airbrushing back then, and though

> there were perfect people walking around.)

>

> By the time I emerged from that undulating black funk, I weighed 220

> pounds. My contract at Jax was ending. I was single again. I had to leave

> paradise and temporarily move back home with my parents with my tail

> between my legs. I made finding a job my fulltime job and I did it. I was

> in my own apartment, with a great job, in a new state within 3 months, but

> before I left, I had discovered OA, which was the the second greatest diet

> disaster that happened to me after Geneen and not counting the horror of

> the Food Pyramid and the high-carb/lowfat lifestyle. OA told me I could not

> only trust myself or my body but that I would never ever be able to trust

> it again, that I was an addict and I would always be one. I'll save that

> story for another day.

>

> Oh, and 220 was not my top weight. 320 was. So for those of you who love

> reading Geneen, forgive me for saying she is one friend I don't mind

> leaving behind, as my memories of that time I spent with her were extremely

> traumatic. To each her or her own.

>

> Peace out,

>

> Chloe

>

> ________________________________

>

>

> Geneen Roth has written a book about just how food and money struggles are

> related: Lost and Found, Unexpected Revelations about Food and Money.

> I never relealized how my " issues " with both are related till I read it.

> As always with Geneen's work: one eye opener after another!

>

>

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When the student is ready, the teacher arrives. I do believe that, but I have

also thought that I found my teacher, and then had an experience like Chloe's.

When I looked back, the times when the teachers were not right for me were times

when someone else pushed something on me that worked for them. ' came to be

out of the blue and felt right immediately. That's the difference.

Marcia

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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 5:13 PM

Subject: Re: GR Rant that requires some history (WAS: [

IOWL | FF ] Blog call!)

 

It was a long time ago, but if memory serves, Geneen said you might even gain

wait at first.

Those were probably the magic words that should have sent me packing!

And, no, I can't imagine anything like that happening with 's podcasts. The

difference for me is had me feeling better immediately. When I read Geneen

I felt really depressed.

I sure wish I had discovered back then, but seems like she was in

that same leaky boat as the rest of us when she was in her 20s/early 30s. :)

Chloe

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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: GR Rant that requires some history (WAS: [

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No offence taken, dear Chloe. I can see how GR can steer you the wrong way in

more than only one set of circumstances (as she does aknowlegde herself, though

you probably don't want to hear this LOL). Somehow I can't possibly see how that

could ever happen with 's teachings: I for one feel completely safe with

her and myself now:-)

Houdoe/take care, karin

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" Intuitive Eating " was almost as bad as " The Carbohydrate Addict's Diet. " Oh,

come on, you know you all did it. That's the diet where you eat like a Spartan

all day, and then get an hour on the clock to stuff yourself silly. What a

great, I mean terrible, idea!! lol

Did I do it? Hell, yes! Boston Cream Pie and Linzer Torte, git em mah belleh.

Thank god I avoided the whole Olestra thing. What's a little anal oil-leakage

among friends? I don't mind getting up and turning around only to see that my

chair looks like a slice of pizza had been sitting there instead of me bum.

*gag*

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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 5:23 PM

Subject: Re: GR Rant that requires some history (WAS: [

IOWL | FF ] Blog call!)

 

One of the things I tried was a book called " Intuitive Eating. " Baaaaaad

idea. I am at a point where that just flat out doesn't work for me. My

body is pretty clueless as to what it wants and it needs to learn what real

portions look like again and learn to be satisfied with them. At some

point it will work again, but now is not the time.

As part of one of the " assignments " of the book was to go ahead and just

eat whatever I wanted to see if I liked it basically, well, you can guess

what happened.

Full bag of potato chips? Don't mind if I do! And how do I feel after

eating that? Well, a bit gurgly, but... you said it was okay! Heck, I'm

gonna do this chapter for awhile! Wheeeeeee!

I'm sure that's not what the writer had in mind, but I think she failed to

recognize that she is talking to some people who are severely goofed up in

the food department. One of the many reasons I love -- she

understands our goofed-upness and relates to it and helps us actually deal

with it. And not in a confusing manner, in a real, get the point of the

problem manner.

> **

>

>

> Oh, Chloe! So many of the details of this post describe my struggle as

> well. Bless you for sharing.

> Marcia

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: " insideoutweightloss " <

> insideoutweightloss >

> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:27 PM

> Subject: GR Rant that requires some history (WAS: [

> IOWL | FF ] Blog call!)

>

>

>

>

>

> Ugh. Geneen Roth. That is a name from the past I hoped never to hear again

> with many apologies in advance to Karin.

>

> I am sure Geneen is wildly popular--she was one of the pioneers of normal

> eating, at least in my little brain two decades ago. Unfortunately, she was

> not for me. Maybe she delivers content in a more tangible, practical way,

> and maybe I have a better foundation under me 20 years later, especially

> now that I've been listening to 's more intuitive, useful and

> important work, but I can't help but recoil from the thought of reading

> anything written by Geneen. Sowwy ........

>

> It's obviously not her fault that I did not know how to process what I was

> reading in a way that was healthy for me, or maybe I wasn't ready for it,

> but that's the thing. I WAS ready. I really and truly was. I was desperate

> to love and accept myself and stop obsessing about food, even though I

> still had tight control over my size and liked the way I looked for the

> most part. I " saw " myself on just about every page Geneen wrote (although

> raw cookie dough was never my thing). But Geneen was, with zero doubt in my

> mind, the catalyst; she represents the beginning of the end of my

> normal-sized body. Poor Geneen. She forever remains deeply embroidered as

> part of my weight gain story since her message set the whole thing in

> motion based on the knowledge and tools I had then. She's that friend who

> betrayed me by leading me down the wrong path.

>

> I might as well explain what happened so I don't sound like a ranting,

> lunatic, Geneen basher. It's not her, really. It's how I interpreted her,

> but if I'd not discovered her books, things might have been a lot

> different. I'll never know.

>

> I had gained 15 pounds after an emergency appendectomy, which wasn't

> *that* big a deal because I was still highly active (except while

> recovering, of course). I wasn't thrilled with the flubber, but I'd had

> major surgery, and I could easily drop 10 pounds with diet and lose the

> remaining 5 over a couple months as my activity levels increased. No

> biggie. In fact, my weight maintenance range for many years was 135-150

> pounds, partly because of my athleticism, and I never had any problem

> staying within that range, usually at the lower end. I was already an

> adult, into my 30s, and had been the same shape and size since I was 15. I

> happened to pick up a GR book while I was recovering, had my eyes bug out

> from the thought of not dieting, and then bought all her books I could get

> hold of (5 at the time, if I recall).

>

> To this day, I don't really remember what WRONG thing happened to me, I

> certainly didn't eat raw cookies, but it was a utter and total food

> disaster. I did a HUGE amount of journaling about what I read; I even

> started doing it on the computer so I could write faster, pour my heart

> out, but all I felt was more miserable. I even got a therapist who

> convinced me I ate because of my Starter Husband (not true) and let me

> think divorce was a good idea. This was 1992. October to be exact.

>

> I read what she wrote, thought about it constantly, tried to eat

> " normally " and what I wanted, gained weight, felt frustrated with myself

> that it wasn't working, felt terrible, tried again with new resolve, gained

> weight, ate more out of frustration, gained more, ate, gained, felt out of

> control, ate, gained, blah blah woof woof.

>

> By the time I pulled myself out of that mess I weighed 180 pounds. I was

> horrified. I had gained 30 pounds over my top weight EVER, and I was now 50

> pounds above my ideal weight. What had previously been a small weight-loss

> task was now something I had never had to face before. 50 pounds was

> enormous. It felt impossible. I was in total despair. I was now clinically

> obese. I was now FAT. You can't imagine the horror and shame. Actually,

> most of you probably can. I began isolating, hating myself for my lack of

> discipline, withdrawing physically and emotionally from the world. I didn't

> show up for anyone. I didn't show up for myself. My marriage deteriorated,

> and my self worth was circling the drain. As we all know, it's far too easy

> to continue down the awfukit path when we are already lower than a snake's

> belly.

>

> I became clinically depressed and did nothing but cry all day. I should

> also say that I was living in Bar Harbor at the time, a place where they

> roll the sidewalks up in October. We'd just moved there, and I was very

> alone. I was put on massive doses of Prozac (80mg a day, when 10-20mg is

> the norm), but all that did was make me numb. Oh, and it wreaked havoc with

> my metabolism tank and created insane carb cravings. I lived on peanut

> butter sandwiches and read and slept all day. I now realize I was

> experiencing hormonal shifts from blood glucose but had no knowledge about

> insulin or restricting carbs to feel better. Exercise? Forget it. I was to

> ashamed to let anyone see me. Ha ha look at the fatty out there walking.

> Yes, that is how my brain worked.

>

> My lack of knowledge wasn't because I wasn't curious. This was just before

> the internet. I had a Prodigy account, but my online activity was pretty

> limited to what was available in the early 90s. Conduct searches online?

> Nope. This was long before Google. A few years before Dogpile. All I had at

> my disposal was a doctor (the misguided therapist's husband) who told me to

> eat less and exercise more (thanks, dude), a stack of self help books, and

> a pile of women's magazines that were supposed to motivate me but only made

> me feel worse. (I also didn't know about airbrushing back then, and though

> there were perfect people walking around.)

>

> By the time I emerged from that undulating black funk, I weighed 220

> pounds. My contract at Jax was ending. I was single again. I had to leave

> paradise and temporarily move back home with my parents with my tail

> between my legs. I made finding a job my fulltime job and I did it. I was

> in my own apartment, with a great job, in a new state within 3 months, but

> before I left, I had discovered OA, which was the the second greatest diet

> disaster that happened to me after Geneen and not counting the horror of

> the Food Pyramid and the high-carb/lowfat lifestyle. OA told me I could not

> only trust myself or my body but that I would never ever be able to trust

> it again, that I was an addict and I would always be one. I'll save that

> story for another day.

>

> Oh, and 220 was not my top weight. 320 was. So for those of you who love

> reading Geneen, forgive me for saying she is one friend I don't mind

> leaving behind, as my memories of that time I spent with her were extremely

> traumatic. To each her or her own.

>

> Peace out,

>

> Chloe

>

> ________________________________

>

>

> Geneen Roth has written a book about just how food and money struggles are

> related: Lost and Found, Unexpected Revelations about Food and Money.

> I never relealized how my " issues " with both are related till I read it.

> As always with Geneen's work: one eye opener after another!

>

>

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Never did that one but it sounds evil, lol. I never had a problem with

Olestra, but a friend of mine sure did! Ewwww!

> **

>

>

> " Intuitive Eating " was almost as bad as " The Carbohydrate Addict's Diet. "

> Oh, come on, you know you all did it. That's the diet where you eat like a

> Spartan all day, and then get an hour on the clock to stuff yourself silly.

> What a great, I mean terrible, idea!! lol

>

> Did I do it? Hell, yes! Boston Cream Pie and Linzer Torte, git em mah

> belleh.

>

> Thank god I avoided the whole Olestra thing. What's a little anal

> oil-leakage among friends? I don't mind getting up and turning around only

> to see that my chair looks like a slice of pizza had been sitting there

> instead of me bum.

>

> *gag*

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: insideoutweightloss

> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 5:23 PM

> Subject: Re: GR Rant that requires some history

> (WAS: [ IOWL | FF ] Blog call!)

>

>

>

>

> One of the things I tried was a book called " Intuitive Eating. " Baaaaaad

> idea. I am at a point where that just flat out doesn't work for me. My

> body is pretty clueless as to what it wants and it needs to learn what real

> portions look like again and learn to be satisfied with them. At some

> point it will work again, but now is not the time.

>

> As part of one of the " assignments " of the book was to go ahead and just

> eat whatever I wanted to see if I liked it basically, well, you can guess

> what happened.

>

> Full bag of potato chips? Don't mind if I do! And how do I feel after

> eating that? Well, a bit gurgly, but... you said it was okay! Heck, I'm

> gonna do this chapter for awhile! Wheeeeeee!

>

> I'm sure that's not what the writer had in mind, but I think she failed to

> recognize that she is talking to some people who are severely goofed up in

> the food department. One of the many reasons I love -- she

> understands our goofed-upness and relates to it and helps us actually deal

> with it. And not in a confusing manner, in a real, get the point of the

> problem manner.

>

> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Marcia Anzur

> wrote:

>

> > **

>

> >

> >

> > Oh, Chloe! So many of the details of this post describe my struggle as

> > well. Bless you for sharing.

> > Marcia

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: " insideoutweightloss " <

> > insideoutweightloss >

> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:27 PM

> > Subject: GR Rant that requires some history (WAS: [

> > IOWL | FF ] Blog call!)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Ugh. Geneen Roth. That is a name from the past I hoped never to hear

> again

> > with many apologies in advance to Karin.

> >

> > I am sure Geneen is wildly popular--she was one of the pioneers of normal

> > eating, at least in my little brain two decades ago. Unfortunately, she

> was

> > not for me. Maybe she delivers content in a more tangible, practical way,

> > and maybe I have a better foundation under me 20 years later, especially

> > now that I've been listening to 's more intuitive, useful and

> > important work, but I can't help but recoil from the thought of reading

> > anything written by Geneen. Sowwy ........

> >

> > It's obviously not her fault that I did not know how to process what I

> was

> > reading in a way that was healthy for me, or maybe I wasn't ready for it,

> > but that's the thing. I WAS ready. I really and truly was. I was

> desperate

> > to love and accept myself and stop obsessing about food, even though I

> > still had tight control over my size and liked the way I looked for the

> > most part. I " saw " myself on just about every page Geneen wrote (although

> > raw cookie dough was never my thing). But Geneen was, with zero doubt in

> my

> > mind, the catalyst; she represents the beginning of the end of my

> > normal-sized body. Poor Geneen. She forever remains deeply embroidered as

> > part of my weight gain story since her message set the whole thing in

> > motion based on the knowledge and tools I had then. She's that friend who

> > betrayed me by leading me down the wrong path.

> >

> > I might as well explain what happened so I don't sound like a ranting,

> > lunatic, Geneen basher. It's not her, really. It's how I interpreted her,

> > but if I'd not discovered her books, things might have been a lot

> > different. I'll never know.

> >

> > I had gained 15 pounds after an emergency appendectomy, which wasn't

> > *that* big a deal because I was still highly active (except while

> > recovering, of course). I wasn't thrilled with the flubber, but I'd had

> > major surgery, and I could easily drop 10 pounds with diet and lose the

> > remaining 5 over a couple months as my activity levels increased. No

> > biggie. In fact, my weight maintenance range for many years was 135-150

> > pounds, partly because of my athleticism, and I never had any problem

> > staying within that range, usually at the lower end. I was already an

> > adult, into my 30s, and had been the same shape and size since I was 15.

> I

> > happened to pick up a GR book while I was recovering, had my eyes bug out

> > from the thought of not dieting, and then bought all her books I could

> get

> > hold of (5 at the time, if I recall).

> >

> > To this day, I don't really remember what WRONG thing happened to me, I

> > certainly didn't eat raw cookies, but it was a utter and total food

> > disaster. I did a HUGE amount of journaling about what I read; I even

> > started doing it on the computer so I could write faster, pour my heart

> > out, but all I felt was more miserable. I even got a therapist who

> > convinced me I ate because of my Starter Husband (not true) and let me

> > think divorce was a good idea. This was 1992. October to be exact.

> >

> > I read what she wrote, thought about it constantly, tried to eat

> > " normally " and what I wanted, gained weight, felt frustrated with myself

> > that it wasn't working, felt terrible, tried again with new resolve,

> gained

> > weight, ate more out of frustration, gained more, ate, gained, felt out

> of

> > control, ate, gained, blah blah woof woof.

> >

> > By the time I pulled myself out of that mess I weighed 180 pounds. I was

> > horrified. I had gained 30 pounds over my top weight EVER, and I was now

> 50

> > pounds above my ideal weight. What had previously been a small

> weight-loss

> > task was now something I had never had to face before. 50 pounds was

> > enormous. It felt impossible. I was in total despair. I was now

> clinically

> > obese. I was now FAT. You can't imagine the horror and shame. Actually,

> > most of you probably can. I began isolating, hating myself for my lack of

> > discipline, withdrawing physically and emotionally from the world. I

> didn't

> > show up for anyone. I didn't show up for myself. My marriage

> deteriorated,

> > and my self worth was circling the drain. As we all know, it's far too

> easy

> > to continue down the awfukit path when we are already lower than a

> snake's

> > belly.

> >

> > I became clinically depressed and did nothing but cry all day. I should

> > also say that I was living in Bar Harbor at the time, a place where they

> > roll the sidewalks up in October. We'd just moved there, and I was very

> > alone. I was put on massive doses of Prozac (80mg a day, when 10-20mg is

> > the norm), but all that did was make me numb. Oh, and it wreaked havoc

> with

> > my metabolism tank and created insane carb cravings. I lived on peanut

> > butter sandwiches and read and slept all day. I now realize I was

> > experiencing hormonal shifts from blood glucose but had no knowledge

> about

> > insulin or restricting carbs to feel better. Exercise? Forget it. I was

> to

> > ashamed to let anyone see me. Ha ha look at the fatty out there walking.

> > Yes, that is how my brain worked.

> >

> > My lack of knowledge wasn't because I wasn't curious. This was just

> before

> > the internet. I had a Prodigy account, but my online activity was pretty

> > limited to what was available in the early 90s. Conduct searches online?

> > Nope. This was long before Google. A few years before Dogpile. All I had

> at

> > my disposal was a doctor (the misguided therapist's husband) who told me

> to

> > eat less and exercise more (thanks, dude), a stack of self help books,

> and

> > a pile of women's magazines that were supposed to motivate me but only

> made

> > me feel worse. (I also didn't know about airbrushing back then, and

> though

> > there were perfect people walking around.)

> >

> > By the time I emerged from that undulating black funk, I weighed 220

> > pounds. My contract at Jax was ending. I was single again. I had to leave

> > paradise and temporarily move back home with my parents with my tail

> > between my legs. I made finding a job my fulltime job and I did it. I was

> > in my own apartment, with a great job, in a new state within 3 months,

> but

> > before I left, I had discovered OA, which was the the second greatest

> diet

> > disaster that happened to me after Geneen and not counting the horror of

> > the Food Pyramid and the high-carb/lowfat lifestyle. OA told me I could

> not

> > only trust myself or my body but that I would never ever be able to trust

> > it again, that I was an addict and I would always be one. I'll save that

> > story for another day.

> >

> > Oh, and 220 was not my top weight. 320 was. So for those of you who love

> > reading Geneen, forgive me for saying she is one friend I don't mind

> > leaving behind, as my memories of that time I spent with her were

> extremely

> > traumatic. To each her or her own.

> >

> > Peace out,

> >

> > Chloe

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> >

> > Geneen Roth has written a book about just how food and money struggles

> are

> > related: Lost and Found, Unexpected Revelations about Food and Money.

> > I never relealized how my " issues " with both are related till I read it.

> > As always with Geneen's work: one eye opener after another!

> >

> >

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To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 5:46 PM

Subject: Re: GR Rant that requires some history (WAS: [

IOWL | FF ] Blog call!)

 

" Intuitive Eating " was almost as bad as " The Carbohydrate Addict's Diet. " Oh,

come on, you know you all did it. That's the diet where you eat like a Spartan

all day, and then get an hour on the clock to stuff yourself silly. What a

great, I mean terrible, idea!! lol

Did I do it? Hell, yes! Boston Cream Pie and Linzer Torte, git em mah belleh.

Thank god I avoided the whole Olestra thing. What's a little anal oil-leakage

among friends? I don't mind getting up and turning around only to see that my

chair looks like a slice of pizza had been sitting there instead of me bum.

*gag*

________________________________

To: insideoutweightloss

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 5:23 PM

Subject: Re: GR Rant that requires some history (WAS: [

IOWL | FF ] Blog call!)

 

One of the things I tried was a book called " Intuitive Eating. " Baaaaaad

idea. I am at a point where that just flat out doesn't work for me. My

body is pretty clueless as to what it wants and it needs to learn what real

portions look like again and learn to be satisfied with them. At some

point it will work again, but now is not the time.

As part of one of the " assignments " of the book was to go ahead and just

eat whatever I wanted to see if I liked it basically, well, you can guess

what happened.

Full bag of potato chips? Don't mind if I do! And how do I feel after

eating that? Well, a bit gurgly, but... you said it was okay! Heck, I'm

gonna do this chapter for awhile! Wheeeeeee!

I'm sure that's not what the writer had in mind, but I think she failed to

recognize that she is talking to some people who are severely goofed up in

the food department. One of the many reasons I love -- she

understands our goofed-upness and relates to it and helps us actually deal

with it. And not in a confusing manner, in a real, get the point of the

problem manner.

> **

>

>

> Oh, Chloe! So many of the details of this post describe my struggle as

> well. Bless you for sharing.

> Marcia

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: " insideoutweightloss " <

> insideoutweightloss >

> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:27 PM

> Subject: GR Rant that requires some history (WAS: [

> IOWL | FF ] Blog call!)

>

>

>

>

>

> Ugh. Geneen Roth. That is a name from the past I hoped never to hear again

> with many apologies in advance to Karin.

>

> I am sure Geneen is wildly popular--she was one of the pioneers of normal

> eating, at least in my little brain two decades ago. Unfortunately, she was

> not for me. Maybe she delivers content in a more tangible, practical way,

> and maybe I have a better foundation under me 20 years later, especially

> now that I've been listening to 's more intuitive, useful and

> important work, but I can't help but recoil from the thought of reading

> anything written by Geneen. Sowwy ........

>

> It's obviously not her fault that I did not know how to process what I was

> reading in a way that was healthy for me, or maybe I wasn't ready for it,

> but that's the thing. I WAS ready. I really and truly was. I was desperate

> to love and accept myself and stop obsessing about food, even though I

> still had tight control over my size and liked the way I looked for the

> most part. I " saw " myself on just about every page Geneen wrote (although

> raw cookie dough was never my thing). But Geneen was, with zero doubt in my

> mind, the catalyst; she represents the beginning of the end of my

> normal-sized body. Poor Geneen. She forever remains deeply embroidered as

> part of my weight gain story since her message set the whole thing in

> motion based on the knowledge and tools I had then. She's that friend who

> betrayed me by leading me down the wrong path.

>

> I might as well explain what happened so I don't sound like a ranting,

> lunatic, Geneen basher. It's not her, really. It's how I interpreted her,

> but if I'd not discovered her books, things might have been a lot

> different. I'll never know.

>

> I had gained 15 pounds after an emergency appendectomy, which wasn't

> *that* big a deal because I was still highly active (except while

> recovering, of course). I wasn't thrilled with the flubber, but I'd had

> major surgery, and I could easily drop 10 pounds with diet and lose the

> remaining 5 over a couple months as my activity levels increased. No

> biggie. In fact, my weight maintenance range for many years was 135-150

> pounds, partly because of my athleticism, and I never had any problem

> staying within that range, usually at the lower end. I was already an

> adult, into my 30s, and had been the same shape and size since I was 15. I

> happened to pick up a GR book while I was recovering, had my eyes bug out

> from the thought of not dieting, and then bought all her books I could get

> hold of (5 at the time, if I recall).

>

> To this day, I don't really remember what WRONG thing happened to me, I

> certainly didn't eat raw cookies, but it was a utter and total food

> disaster. I did a HUGE amount of journaling about what I read; I even

> started doing it on the computer so I could write faster, pour my heart

> out, but all I felt was more miserable. I even got a therapist who

> convinced me I ate because of my Starter Husband (not true) and let me

> think divorce was a good idea. This was 1992. October to be exact.

>

> I read what she wrote, thought about it constantly, tried to eat

> " normally " and what I wanted, gained weight, felt frustrated with myself

> that it wasn't working, felt terrible, tried again with new resolve, gained

> weight, ate more out of frustration, gained more, ate, gained, felt out of

> control, ate, gained, blah blah woof woof.

>

> By the time I pulled myself out of that mess I weighed 180 pounds. I was

> horrified. I had gained 30 pounds over my top weight EVER, and I was now 50

> pounds above my ideal weight. What had previously been a small weight-loss

> task was now something I had never had to face before. 50 pounds was

> enormous. It felt impossible. I was in total despair. I was now clinically

> obese. I was now FAT. You can't imagine the horror and shame. Actually,

> most of you probably can. I began isolating, hating myself for my lack of

> discipline, withdrawing physically and emotionally from the world. I didn't

> show up for anyone. I didn't show up for myself. My marriage deteriorated,

> and my self worth was circling the drain. As we all know, it's far too easy

> to continue down the awfukit path when we are already lower than a snake's

> belly.

>

> I became clinically depressed and did nothing but cry all day. I should

> also say that I was living in Bar Harbor at the time, a place where they

> roll the sidewalks up in October. We'd just moved there, and I was very

> alone. I was put on massive doses of Prozac (80mg a day, when 10-20mg is

> the norm), but all that did was make me numb. Oh, and it wreaked havoc with

> my metabolism tank and created insane carb cravings. I lived on peanut

> butter sandwiches and read and slept all day. I now realize I was

> experiencing hormonal shifts from blood glucose but had no knowledge about

> insulin or restricting carbs to feel better. Exercise? Forget it. I was to

> ashamed to let anyone see me. Ha ha look at the fatty out there walking.

> Yes, that is how my brain worked.

>

> My lack of knowledge wasn't because I wasn't curious. This was just before

> the internet. I had a Prodigy account, but my online activity was pretty

> limited to what was available in the early 90s. Conduct searches online?

> Nope. This was long before Google. A few years before Dogpile. All I had at

> my disposal was a doctor (the misguided therapist's husband) who told me to

> eat less and exercise more (thanks, dude), a stack of self help books, and

> a pile of women's magazines that were supposed to motivate me but only made

> me feel worse. (I also didn't know about airbrushing back then, and though

> there were perfect people walking around.)

>

> By the time I emerged from that undulating black funk, I weighed 220

> pounds. My contract at Jax was ending. I was single again. I had to leave

> paradise and temporarily move back home with my parents with my tail

> between my legs. I made finding a job my fulltime job and I did it. I was

> in my own apartment, with a great job, in a new state within 3 months, but

> before I left, I had discovered OA, which was the the second greatest diet

> disaster that happened to me after Geneen and not counting the horror of

> the Food Pyramid and the high-carb/lowfat lifestyle. OA told me I could not

> only trust myself or my body but that I would never ever be able to trust

> it again, that I was an addict and I would always be one. I'll save that

> story for another day.

>

> Oh, and 220 was not my top weight. 320 was. So for those of you who love

> reading Geneen, forgive me for saying she is one friend I don't mind

> leaving behind, as my memories of that time I spent with her were extremely

> traumatic. To each her or her own.

>

> Peace out,

>

> Chloe

>

> ________________________________

>

>

> Geneen Roth has written a book about just how food and money struggles are

> related: Lost and Found, Unexpected Revelations about Food and Money.

> I never relealized how my " issues " with both are related till I read it.

> As always with Geneen's work: one eye opener after another!

>

>

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