Re: To Weigh or Not To Weigh?

[Guest guest]

b.,

The only program that ever worked for me was Thin Within by Judy Wardell. The

basics are " eating like a thin person. " In other words: Eat only when my body is

hungry. Eat in a calm, undistracted environment. Never eat any food that you do

not LOVE. Eat slowly and savor every bite. Stop eating before my body is full. 

She teaches how to do this. These are similar to 's principles, but '

goes further into why we got dependent on food and gained weight.

I originally found this book in the '80's on a table of cover-stripped

paperbacks being sold at the A & P, ten for a dollar. Recently when I went back to

replace that copy, which has been lost in our many moves, I found that her newer

work is religion based, and that is not for me. The original is out of print

now, but I found an old used copy on Amazon.

As I have been typing this and remembering the first time I used this program, I

realize that it was a time that I was blissfully happy! I had a couple really

wonderful, close friends, I LOVED my job and co-workers and found many

opportunities to feel that sense of BELONGING that is so important. Hmm, I'm

wondering if it was the program or my happiness that led to the weight loss.

GOTTA GET MY JOURNAL!!

Marcia

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To: insideoutweightloss

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 6:23 AM

Subject: To Weigh or Not To Weigh?

 

Is anyone following a documented meal plan or exercise routine in addition to

's program?

What about weighing yourself on a scale?

These are habits I feel compelled towards, but I am conflicted on whether they

will help me or cause more anxiety.

What works for you?

b.

[Guest guest]

I was thinking of getting out the Weight Watchers stuff out. But I did

that last year.... WW along with listening to 's podcasts. I lost

weight, but I think I was still doing a " diet " . I lost 30 pounds, then

just stopped.

I think I want to let the principles start to work first. I want to work

my way through the book and listen to podcasts and do the work. Then let

my eating regulate itself. Then maybe start a regulated eating plan.

Patti

> **

>

>

> Is anyone following a documented meal plan or exercise routine in addition

> to 's program?

> What about weighing yourself on a scale?

>

> These are habits I feel compelled towards, but I am conflicted on whether

> they will help me or cause more anxiety.

>

> What works for you?

>

> b.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Patti, I think this it's a cool idea. My original response was that in the past

this or that worked for me. But obviously the long term effect was limited.

Basically, I like to hand myself over to a plan that I can totally commit to. It

takes all the weirdness of my food decisions out of the picture. But ultimately,

it is precisely that weirdness that needs to be dealt with. I've never done WW

and from what I understand you would still be making the food choices, but with

a tool to guide your choices. It does come with it's own weirdnesses though

with all the measuring and weighing. I'm not that far out of whack with portion

control, but I can see it as a learning tool for someone who is.

Psawyer

Patti L wrote:

>I was thinking of getting out the Weight Watchers stuff out. But I did

>that last year.... WW along with listening to 's podcasts. I lost

>weight, but I think I was still doing a " diet " . I lost 30 pounds, then

>just stopped.

>

>I think I want to let the principles start to work first. I want to work

>my way through the book and listen to podcasts and do the work. Then let

>my eating regulate itself. Then maybe start a regulated eating plan.

>

>Patti

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Is anyone following a documented meal plan or exercise routine in addition

>> to 's program?

>> What about weighing yourself on a scale?

>>

>> These are habits I feel compelled towards, but I am conflicted on whether

>> they will help me or cause more anxiety.

>>

>> What works for you?

>>

>> b.

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

WW has worked okay for me in the past, a couple years ago I lost almost 50

pounds... but then I gained it all back and another 20 to boot. While I

think that WW is a good behavioral modification program, it doesn't really

dig in deep, like so many of us need. I think it sticks to dealing with

the symptom of extra weight, but it doesn't address the underlying

condition.

Currently I am tracking my weight on an site called LoseIt. It has an easy

way to track calories eaten and burned through exercise, and a very

supportive community. I'm trying to build as many layers of support as I

possibly can. I weigh myself once a week. After 3 weeks, I am down 7.4

lbs!

I have to track. My body and my hunger impulses are so out of whack, I

need to be able to see my progress. I could probably track in a notebook,

but I like the constant feedback that LoseIt gives me.

One of the things I like best about IOWL and Full-Filled is that they can

be used together with any other system. I think treating both the

condition and the symptoms is going to be my best bet for beating this

thing

> **

>

>

> Patti, I think this it's a cool idea. My original response was that in the

> past this or that worked for me. But obviously the long term effect was

> limited.

> Basically, I like to hand myself over to a plan that I can totally commit

> to. It takes all the weirdness of my food decisions out of the picture. But

> ultimately, it is precisely that weirdness that needs to be dealt with.

> I've never done WW and from what I understand you would still be making the

> food choices, but with a tool to guide your choices. It does come with it's

> own weirdnesses though with all the measuring and weighing. I'm not that

> far out of whack with portion control, but I can see it as a learning tool

> for someone who is.

> Psawyer

>

>

> Patti L wrote:

>

> >I was thinking of getting out the Weight Watchers stuff out. But I did

> >that last year.... WW along with listening to 's podcasts. I lost

> >weight, but I think I was still doing a " diet " . I lost 30 pounds, then

> >just stopped.

> >

> >I think I want to let the principles start to work first. I want to work

> >my way through the book and listen to podcasts and do the work. Then let

> >my eating regulate itself. Then maybe start a regulated eating plan.

> >

> >Patti

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:23 AM, iowl_good_day

> wrote:

> >

> >> **

> >>

> >>

> >> Is anyone following a documented meal plan or exercise routine in

> addition

> >> to 's program?

> >> What about weighing yourself on a scale?

> >>

> >> These are habits I feel compelled towards, but I am conflicted on

> whether

> >> they will help me or cause more anxiety.

> >>

> >> What works for you?

> >>

> >> b.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Way to go Amelia!

" Sometimes God allows us to see the miracle. Sometimes God allows us to BE the

miracle. "

From: insideoutweightloss

[mailto:insideoutweightloss ] On Behalf Of Amelia Ramstead

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:32 AM

To: insideoutweightloss

Subject: Re: To Weigh or Not To Weigh?

WW has worked okay for me in the past, a couple years ago I lost almost 50

pounds... but then I gained it all back and another 20 to boot. While I

think that WW is a good behavioral modification program, it doesn't really

dig in deep, like so many of us need. I think it sticks to dealing with

the symptom of extra weight, but it doesn't address the underlying

condition.

Currently I am tracking my weight on an site called LoseIt. It has an easy

way to track calories eaten and burned through exercise, and a very

supportive community. I'm trying to build as many layers of support as I

possibly can. I weigh myself once a week. After 3 weeks, I am down 7.4

lbs!

I have to track. My body and my hunger impulses are so out of whack, I

need to be able to see my progress. I could probably track in a notebook,

but I like the constant feedback that LoseIt gives me.

One of the things I like best about IOWL and Full-Filled is that they can

be used together with any other system. I think treating both the

condition and the symptoms is going to be my best bet for beating this

thing

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:18 AM, a Sawyer

<psawyer@...<mailto:psawyer%40bellsouth.net>> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Patti, I think this it's a cool idea. My original response was that in the

> past this or that worked for me. But obviously the long term effect was

> limited.

> Basically, I like to hand myself over to a plan that I can totally commit

> to. It takes all the weirdness of my food decisions out of the picture. But

> ultimately, it is precisely that weirdness that needs to be dealt with.

> I've never done WW and from what I understand you would still be making the

> food choices, but with a tool to guide your choices. It does come with it's

> own weirdnesses though with all the measuring and weighing. I'm not that

> far out of whack with portion control, but I can see it as a learning tool

> for someone who is.

> Psawyer

>

>

> Patti L <pattilbear@...<mailto:pattilbear%40gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> >I was thinking of getting out the Weight Watchers stuff out. But I did

> >that last year.... WW along with listening to 's podcasts. I lost

> >weight, but I think I was still doing a " diet " . I lost 30 pounds, then

> >just stopped.

> >

> >I think I want to let the principles start to work first. I want to work

> >my way through the book and listen to podcasts and do the work. Then let

> >my eating regulate itself. Then maybe start a regulated eating plan.

> >

> >Patti

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:23 AM, iowl_good_day

<iowlg00dd4y@...<mailto:iowlg00dd4y%40att.net>>

> wrote:

> >

> >> **

> >>

> >>

> >> Is anyone following a documented meal plan or exercise routine in

> addition

> >> to 's program?

> >> What about weighing yourself on a scale?

> >>

> >> These are habits I feel compelled towards, but I am conflicted on

> whether

> >> they will help me or cause more anxiety.

> >>

> >> What works for you?

> >>

> >> b.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Deprivation Leads to Binges

That is the overriding fact of any " diet " . At least, that's the fact of my

dieting life. If I feel deprived, or that I'm missing out on something, I

will eventually overcompensate. I can only arbitrarily regulate my eating

for so long. I will eventually start binging again.

One of the limiting beliefs I am struggling with is: I am deprived... not

of food.... but of something. I don't know what. An overwhelming feeling

I don't have what everyone else has. That leads to overeating and

overspending. Trying to fill a void. Trying to give myself something that

I THINK I'm missing. I feel like there is something empty inside..... I'm

trying to fill it up.

One of Geneen Roth's concepts is: we are not broken. We don't need

fixing. We are perfect just they way we are. talks about that too.

So, one of the things I need to work on is: There is no hole inside of

me. I'm not missing out on anything. I am not deprived. Once that

limiting belief begins to change, then I can start to regulate my eating.

Or, my body will do it naturally.

In the mean time, I'm going to focus on getting rid of the guilt. I'm

seeing the Positive Intent behind my eating.

Patti

> **

>

>

> Patti, I think this it's a cool idea. My original response was that in the

> past this or that worked for me. But obviously the long term effect was

> limited.

> Basically, I like to hand myself over to a plan that I can totally commit

> to. It takes all the weirdness of my food decisions out of the picture. But

> ultimately, it is precisely that weirdness that needs to be dealt with.

> I've never done WW and from what I understand you would still be making the

> food choices, but with a tool to guide your choices. It does come with it's

> own weirdnesses though with all the measuring and weighing. I'm not that

> far out of whack with portion control, but I can see it as a learning tool

> for someone who is.

> Psawyer

>

> Patti L wrote:

>

> >I was thinking of getting out the Weight Watchers stuff out. But I did

> >that last year.... WW along with listening to 's podcasts. I lost

> >weight, but I think I was still doing a " diet " . I lost 30 pounds, then

> >just stopped.

> >

> >I think I want to let the principles start to work first. I want to work

> >my way through the book and listen to podcasts and do the work. Then let

> >my eating regulate itself. Then maybe start a regulated eating plan.

> >

> >Patti

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:23 AM, iowl_good_day

> wrote:

> >

> >> **

> >>

> >>

> >> Is anyone following a documented meal plan or exercise routine in

> addition

> >> to 's program?

> >> What about weighing yourself on a scale?

> >>

> >> These are habits I feel compelled towards, but I am conflicted on

> whether

> >> they will help me or cause more anxiety.

> >>

> >> What works for you?

> >>

> >> b.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I recently cancelled WW because I came to the realization that I was doing a

great job of tracking my eating, even when I was doing my worst overeating. But

it had gotten to the point where the tracking wasn't deterring me from

overeating and I was just wasting money. I decided to cancel after I

acknowledged to myself that there is something else going on with me that I need

to deal with before I even get caught up in worrying about proper eating habits.

After all, I know the right things to eat to be healthy and the right ways to

move my body for weight loss. But as I am learning from week 2 - which is right

on time, I must say - there is this internal tug of war that is getting in the

way of me seeing any results that must be dealt with.

I signed up for sparkpeople as another alternative. I will also check out

LoseIt. Thanks for sharing this.

> > >

> > >> **

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Is anyone following a documented meal plan or exercise routine in

> > addition

> > >> to 's program?

> > >> What about weighing yourself on a scale?

> > >>

> > >> These are habits I feel compelled towards, but I am conflicted on

> > whether

> > >> they will help me or cause more anxiety.

> > >>

> > >> What works for you?

> > >>

> > >> b.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

There is a numbness that sometimes happens when you keep track of things

Psawyer

dbairob wrote:

>

>

>I recently cancelled WW because I came to the realization that I was doing a

great job of tracking my eating, even when I was doing my worst overeating. But

it had gotten to the point where the tracking wasn't deterring me from

overeating and I was just wasting money. I decided to cancel after I

acknowledged to myself that there is something else going on with me that I need

to deal with before I even get caught up in worrying about proper eating habits.

After all, I know the right things to eat to be healthy and the right ways to

move my body for weight loss. But as I am learning from week 2 - which is right

on time, I must say - there is this internal tug of war that is getting in the

way of me seeing any results that must be dealt with.

>

>I signed up for sparkpeople as another alternative. I will also check out

LoseIt. Thanks for sharing this.

>

>

>> > >

>> > >> **

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >> Is anyone following a documented meal plan or exercise routine in

>> > addition

>> > >> to 's program?

>> > >> What about weighing yourself on a scale?

>> > >>

>> > >> These are habits I feel compelled towards, but I am conflicted on

>> > whether

>> > >> they will help me or cause more anxiety.

>> > >>

>> > >> What works for you?

>> > >>

>> > >> b.

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks to all who responded to this post.

I've decided I'll keep a Hunger journal, because that's what my real issue is -

I don't know when I'm hungry and when I'm full. I need to tune into those

natural signals.

I will follow the recomendations gave in one of her podcasts - Check in

every 4 hours

If hungry, eat 100 - 150 cals for a snack; 300 - 350 cals for a meal.

If not hungry, wait an hour and recheck.

I will also listen to the Appetite Adjuster meditation again.

b.

> > > >

> > > >> **

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Is anyone following a documented meal plan or exercise routine in

> > > addition

> > > >> to 's program?

> > > >> What about weighing yourself on a scale?

> > > >>

> > > >> These are habits I feel compelled towards, but I am conflicted on

> > > whether

> > > >> they will help me or cause more anxiety.

> > > >>

> > > >> What works for you?

> > > >>

> > > >> b.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Patti, well of course.. To fill a hole, a void.. that's why I stuff myself! I

just added that to my Chapter 2 exercises. Thank you!

As far as following a program.. I am not, but I really want to.. I am leaving

for a cruise in 2 1/2 weeks, and boy if I really buckled down I could lose ....

blah blah blah and feel so much better. Of course, I'd gain it back in 2 days

on the cruise, so what's the point??

I know that if I follow this program and do the homework and feel my feelings

and don't numb them with food, I will eat like a normal person. I do get full

quickly (which surprises me), but continue to eat anyway sometimes. I will eat

until I am satisfied vs full, and I WILL get the negativity around exercise out

of my mind .... and I'll naturally lose weight!

Judy

[Guest guest]

That's a sensible plan of action. I placed a little tchotchke on a ledge at the

entry to my kitchen to remind me, when I am mindlessly heading to the kitchen

for a snack, to check my hunger level. If I'm not actually hungry, I can turn

around and do something else instead of eating. If I am hungry, I can have a

snack from my " healthy snack bar " --a row of glass jars in the kitchen with plain

unroasted almonds, granola, dried fruit, and sesame sticks with little prep

dishes to limit how much I take. My whole family, even those who just visit,

really like the bar, too.

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To: insideoutweightloss

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:03 AM

Subject: Re: To Weigh or Not To Weigh?

 

Thanks to all who responded to this post.

I've decided I'll keep a Hunger journal, because that's what my real issue is -

I don't know when I'm hungry and when I'm full. I need to tune into those

natural signals.

I will follow the recomendations gave in one of her podcasts - Check in

every 4 hours

If hungry, eat 100 - 150 cals for a snack; 300 - 350 cals for a meal.

If not hungry, wait an hour and recheck.

I will also listen to the Appetite Adjuster meditation again.

b.

> > > >

> > > >> **

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Is anyone following a documented meal plan or exercise routine in

> > > addition

> > > >> to 's program?

> > > >> What about weighing yourself on a scale?

> > > >>

> > > >> These are habits I feel compelled towards, but I am conflicted on

> > > whether

> > > >> they will help me or cause more anxiety.

> > > >>

> > > >> What works for you?

> > > >>

> > > >> b.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >