New Here

[Guest guest]

The problem is, many therapists will say they treat OCD, but don't understand it

at all, nor the correct treatment. Our son saw many mental health

professionals, over a number of years, who didn't help at all. Many didn't even

recognize it as OCD. They tried many different types of therapy, and none

helped. It wasn't until we found a therapist, who understands OCD and uses the

correct therapy, that we saw improvement for the first time.

Our son was horribly depressed when his OCD was out of control. They are so

bombarded with OCD bossing them around, and trying to cope with anxiety that

they become depressed. . Who wouldn't. We found that once our son's OCD was

treated, his depression lifted too. Just having some control over his life so

he could live a more normal life was a huge weight off of his shoulders.

Try the books, in the mean time, and ask questions here for certain things she

is dealing with too. I'm sure we've all dealt with similar issues and can offer

suggestions.

Also be sure to check our files. We have a lot of good information there, and

you might find something helpful. )

BJ

>

> Thank you. My ex has that much control because I got out spent in court.

>  

> The ex's feelings stem from the reality that several mental health

professionals over the years have attempted to diagnose, starting in the teen

years .... the ex refuses all labels save the self proclaimed 'perfect'

>  

> The ex believes a label such as this would tarnish the family name and imply

imperfection with the genetic line.

>  

> Yah, we are now divorced.

>  

> Family money, family name (in the medical arena and the political) a stupid

judge, a lot of untruths, and the ex wound up with more power and control ...

which, oddly, was all that was ever really wanted.

>  

> I was warned when I left that I'd never even see my daughter again and was

told, " I will destroy you " So, I am glad I held on to as much as I have.

>  

> Anyway, the book suggestions are great and work she and I can do at home will

be a good start. If I can give her language for this, help her to know she is

not alone, it will go a long way towards lessening her depression (I hope)

>  

> I am seeking out mental health counseling with me as the identified client,

but seeking out one who specialized in OCD so my many questions can be answered

as I have no authority to take my daughter to a mental health provider.

>  

> I will attempt next year to find a way to talk with the teacher and school

counselor, but need to approach that with caution. If words gets back the the

ex, it will be a very bad day.

>  

> Anyway, I am glad to know I am not alone. Thank you.

>  

> -JuLeah

>

> I could have freed hundreds more if only I had been able to convince them they

were slaves. Harriet Tubman

>

>

> To:

> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:53 AM

> Subject: Re: New here

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm so glad you mentioned Inositol. . It slipped my mind. )

BJ

>

> Hi JuLeah, welcome to our group!

>

> BJ covered it all about treatment/therapy and OCD in general. Have you

visited the OCD Foundation website yet? There's information there too. They

also have a search feature to look for therapists by area. Of course, they're

only listed there if they ask to be, so don't give up hope if you don't see

someone close to you.

>

> There's also a book list there, that includes books for children. I'm sure

she'd like some of them. I believe we have a couple things in our FILES section

that are for children (can't look while I'm typing a post), seems like one was

" Kids Like Me " but could be wrong on that title.

>

> If you won in the custody that your ex would pay for an MH professional, how

can he call it off? I would think the therapist would be the one to say if she

was through or needed further treatment? I'd try to get a letter from the

therapist to give to your attorneys that states your daughter could benefit from

further therapy, etc.

>

> We couldn't find a therapist when my son, now 22, began having OCD compulsions

in 6th grade. So we also worked on our own. Takes longer, and not fun for the

parent either, but we did have progress.

>

> As BJ said, medication can be needed, the SSRI type. However, if due to your

ex, there is a problem with this, I would suggest you look at trying inositol

powder (it's in the B vitamin family). We used it at first, all thru middle

school. Some others have had success with it, some not. So it's a 50/50 chance

it may help the OCD. It's best to buy it online, much cheaper, and can be hard

to find locally anyway. We used the Source Naturals brand, but there's no

particular brand to use for it. Here's a link to an article about it (hope link

works!):

>

http://www.wsps.info/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=70:inositol-an\

d-ocd & catid=36:ocd-and-related-subjects-by-frederick-penzel-phd & Itemid=64

>

> (If above doesn't work, go to: http://www.wsps.info/ and look at Staff

Articles, pick the OCD one by Dr. Penzel. You'll find " Inositol and OCD " in the

list.)

>

> When you try to work on some of the issues, as BJ mentioned make a

hierarchy/list, you can pick 1 or 2 things to work on. You can try different

ways, like trying to delay her washing her hands (maybe she trys to wait 2

minutes, etc.), try to limit how many times a day she can do it (work towards

goal), see if she can do the same with licking, delay it or hold off til a

certain time in the day. You can try to set up rewards/treats for her to work

for, earn, as she tries. And *effort* counts towards earning, not just success.

>

> Well, this is getting long, but glad you found our group. It's been my best

support through all this!

>

>

> single mom, 3 sons

> , 22, with OCD, dysgraphia, Aspergers

> finishing up at UNC-Chapel Hill this week!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm so glad you mentioned Inositol. . It slipped my mind. )

BJ

>

> Hi JuLeah, welcome to our group!

>

> BJ covered it all about treatment/therapy and OCD in general. Have you

visited the OCD Foundation website yet? There's information there too. They

also have a search feature to look for therapists by area. Of course, they're

only listed there if they ask to be, so don't give up hope if you don't see

someone close to you.

>

> There's also a book list there, that includes books for children. I'm sure

she'd like some of them. I believe we have a couple things in our FILES section

that are for children (can't look while I'm typing a post), seems like one was

" Kids Like Me " but could be wrong on that title.

>

> If you won in the custody that your ex would pay for an MH professional, how

can he call it off? I would think the therapist would be the one to say if she

was through or needed further treatment? I'd try to get a letter from the

therapist to give to your attorneys that states your daughter could benefit from

further therapy, etc.

>

> We couldn't find a therapist when my son, now 22, began having OCD compulsions

in 6th grade. So we also worked on our own. Takes longer, and not fun for the

parent either, but we did have progress.

>

> As BJ said, medication can be needed, the SSRI type. However, if due to your

ex, there is a problem with this, I would suggest you look at trying inositol

powder (it's in the B vitamin family). We used it at first, all thru middle

school. Some others have had success with it, some not. So it's a 50/50 chance

it may help the OCD. It's best to buy it online, much cheaper, and can be hard

to find locally anyway. We used the Source Naturals brand, but there's no

particular brand to use for it. Here's a link to an article about it (hope link

works!):

>

http://www.wsps.info/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=70:inositol-an\

d-ocd & catid=36:ocd-and-related-subjects-by-frederick-penzel-phd & Itemid=64

>

> (If above doesn't work, go to: http://www.wsps.info/ and look at Staff

Articles, pick the OCD one by Dr. Penzel. You'll find " Inositol and OCD " in the

list.)

>

> When you try to work on some of the issues, as BJ mentioned make a

hierarchy/list, you can pick 1 or 2 things to work on. You can try different

ways, like trying to delay her washing her hands (maybe she trys to wait 2

minutes, etc.), try to limit how many times a day she can do it (work towards

goal), see if she can do the same with licking, delay it or hold off til a

certain time in the day. You can try to set up rewards/treats for her to work

for, earn, as she tries. And *effort* counts towards earning, not just success.

>

> Well, this is getting long, but glad you found our group. It's been my best

support through all this!

>

>

> single mom, 3 sons

> , 22, with OCD, dysgraphia, Aspergers

> finishing up at UNC-Chapel Hill this week!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I find myself getting frustrated, but too late understanding the

bigger picture. There is so much I just do 'get'

 

This morning, as we were rushing around packing, feeding pets, loading the car

for a camping trip, I asked her to please write a quick note to the fellow who

will be here fixing to porch while we are away.

 

That didn't seem a big task to my way of thinking.

 

She fussed, balked, and I snapped. " Just write the note, it's not rocket

science "

 

As I watched her complete the task, I understood why she had not wanted to take

it on.

 

Finding a pen that was not dirty, opening the closet with her feet (cause she

doesn't touch door handles) to get out a sheet of paper, making sure the paper

sat on the table 'the right way' writing so her hand never actually touched the

paper, which it did so she had to go wash anyway ... but it turns out, her

biggest issue was in how to spell the fellows full name. There are several

common spellings and I myself was not sure which he used. Not spelling a persons

name correctly is a BIG deal to her, as I now understand.

 

So, she wrote the note, but ...

 

I don't know, should I keep pushing on such issues. She can't live her life from

under her blankets hiding from the world.

 

I have a physical disability and much time has been given over to how I get

tasks done when I can't do them as an able bodied person might.

 

They don't go undone, I figure out a way.

 

I worked for years as an educator, and can't tell you how many kids would say,

" Yah, well I didn't study because of my ADD " or " I forgot my homework because of

my learning disability "

 

While I understand the greater challenge, and how accommodations might be

needed, I can't accept a label as an excuse for not even putting forth effort.

 

Am I wrong?

 

I was still pushing a wheelchair when my daughter was born (car crash, didn't

walk for 7 years) Anyway, the shopping still needed to get done, cooking dinner,

time with friends, play dates, trips to the library ... life still needed to be

lived.

 

I put her in a front pack and was able to push my chair. When she got older, I

sat her facing forward and tied her to me with a scarf so she didn't to topple

off

 

She LOVED to ride.

 

I guess that's my point, don't make excuses, but I still have much to learn

about what is her limit.

 

Thank you all for listening!!! I have felt so alone in this.

 

Well, off to trees and rivers for a few days

 

-JuLeah

 

[Guest guest]

I would still have her do things like write the note.  I am guessing the stress

of rushing to get ready and the stress of prepping for a trip and the stress of

the unexpecteds of an upcoming trip added to her stress of how to write the

fellow's name??  But she did it and that is something to be celebrated.  I

would just allow her extra time for every day things that would take most people

no time (or thought) at all.  You have a great attitude!!

Sharon

To: " " < >

Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:04 AM

Subject: RE: New Here

 

Thank you. I find myself getting frustrated, but too late understanding the

bigger picture. There is so much I just do 'get'

 

This morning, as we were rushing around packing, feeding pets, loading the car

for a camping trip, I asked her to please write a quick note to the fellow who

will be here fixing to porch while we are away.

 

That didn't seem a big task to my way of thinking.

 

She fussed, balked, and I snapped. " Just write the note, it's not rocket

science "

 

As I watched her complete the task, I understood why she had not wanted to take

it on.

 

Finding a pen that was not dirty, opening the closet with her feet (cause she

doesn't touch door handles) to get out a sheet of paper, making sure the paper

sat on the table 'the right way' writing so her hand never actually touched the

paper, which it did so she had to go wash anyway ... but it turns out, her

biggest issue was in how to spell the fellows full name. There are several

common spellings and I myself was not sure which he used. Not spelling a persons

name correctly is a BIG deal to her, as I now understand.

 

So, she wrote the note, but ...

 

I don't know, should I keep pushing on such issues. She can't live her life from

under her blankets hiding from the world.

 

I have a physical disability and much time has been given over to how I get

tasks done when I can't do them as an able bodied person might.

 

They don't go undone, I figure out a way.

 

I worked for years as an educator, and can't tell you how many kids would say,

" Yah, well I didn't study because of my ADD " or " I forgot my homework because of

my learning disability "

 

While I understand the greater challenge, and how accommodations might be

needed, I can't accept a label as an excuse for not even putting forth effort.

 

Am I wrong?

 

I was still pushing a wheelchair when my daughter was born (car crash, didn't

walk for 7 years) Anyway, the shopping still needed to get done, cooking dinner,

time with friends, play dates, trips to the library ... life still needed to be

lived.

 

I put her in a front pack and was able to push my chair. When she got older, I

sat her facing forward and tied her to me with a scarf so she didn't to topple

off

 

She LOVED to ride.

 

I guess that's my point, don't make excuses, but I still have much to learn

about what is her limit.

 

Thank you all for listening!!! I have felt so alone in this.

 

Well, off to trees and rivers for a few days

 

-JuLeah

 

[Guest guest]

Oh my goodness did this bring back memories. My dd who is now 9, also started

showing OCD behaviors in 2nd grade. It all started with questions and fears

surrounding the swine flu as well. I blamed it on all the hype at first. But

when she couldn't get dressed because her clothes were all contaminated, I

realized something was wrong.

I didn't see anyone mention PANDAS (Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric

Disorders Associated with STrep) or PITAND (pediatric INfection Triggered

Autoimmunce Disorders) to you. These are when an infection such as strep,

mycoplasma pneumonia, Bartonella, Lyme, cause a faulty autoimmune reaction where

antibodies mistakenly attack the brain and result in a number of neuropsych

symptoms including OCD, tics/Tourettes, ADHD like behavior, etc, etc.

After a few months of CBT/ERP therapy with little results, we tested our

daughter for strep (positive) and participated in a study that indicated she had

PANDAS. She went on antibiotics and improved rapidly. AFter a later decline, she

tested positive for Bartonella. We are currently treating that with additional

antibiotics and are seeing good results again.

The files section on this website and the ocfoundation.org website has some

information. You can also find some good info on www.pandasresourcenetwork.org

and www.webpediatrics.com (the site of a top PANDAS doc.) www.latitudes.org has

a forums section where both PANDAS/PITAND and Lyme are discussed. It's a great

place to ask questions of parents going through this with their children.

Please let me know if I can answer any questions as well.

Kara

>

> Hello All,

>

> My child is nine. I am new to this and still struggling to understand.

>

> I first noticed behaviors when she was in the 2nd grade. Obsessive hand

washing was what first caught my attention, but I assumed it was a backlash to

all the swine flu germ talks and the schools insistence on hand sanitizer on

every desk. But, then I started to notice this touching thing, so she would

touch the right side of the desk, and then seemingly need to touch the left. If

the front of her body brushed against a wall, she'd turn and brush the back

against the wall too.

>

> It was when she told me she `had to' that I really started to pay attention.

>

> I had known a few people with OCD and of course, I had seen the TV show Monk,

but that was the extent of my knowledge.

> I asked people who knew more then me. I was told to watch, don't encourage,

don't discourage; see what unfolds.

> It got worse.

> My daughter came to me one day in tears asking what was wrong with her. She

talked about no wanting to do these things, but not being able to stop herself.

Her friends at school were asking questions and she didn't know what to say.

> I spoke with her teacher, who had noticed but had no real suggestions.

> One of battles I won in the custody was that my daughter would see a mental

health professional. She had been displaying physical signs of stress and

anxiety for many many months.

> Sadly, my ex got to choose the person.

> I took my child to see this mental health professional who used the label OCD

and said she had a lot of experience working with kids who struggle with this

condition. I felt hope.

> After speaking with the ex however, all of that changed. The ex claimed to

have never seen the behaviors and declared our daughter fit and no longer in

need of a counselor.

> When the ex claims to have never seen the behaviors, it translates to, the

behaviors are not allowed.

> I do believe there are fewer behaviors in that house as a result, but the

pressure building inside my daughter is increasing. It feels like the compulsive

behaviors somehow release some of the pressure.

> She hides the behaviors as best she can at school and at the ex house, with

me, I see them all.

> I don't want to … encourage, but I do accommodate. She will brush her teeth

independently, if provided her with a tooth brush only she has ever touched.

> To keep her hands from getting raw and bloody, I buy non soap soap for her to

use.

> I don't fuss at her when we get out of the car, but stand and wait as she

touched the door 20 times.

> She recently started licking things however, that that's kind of gross to me.

Her hands and arms, her shirt, the car seat, the seat belt … I did ask her to

stop that, but she tells me she can't.

> The ex says I am creating this problem and it would be gone completely if I

didn't encourage it. The ex feels I coached her into the behavior actually.

> I do set limits with my daughter

> I don't let her use this as an excuse when I can help it. " I can't do my

homework the pencil is dirty "

> " Well wash it or find a new one that has never been used, but do your

homework "

> I tell her we all have something we struggle with, and this seems to be one of

her things.

> She wants to trade.

> I am getting more and more concerned because she seems to be getting more and

more depressed.

> She told me a few weeks back that, " If this is going to be my life, I don't

see the point in living "

> I know untreated OCD can lead to bigger issues.

> I have spoken with mental health professionals, doctors, teachers, social

workers, and a judge. I have hired attorneys even, but got out spent.

> I am left with attempting to help her help herself. So, I turn to sources such

as this asking for advice, support, ideas … I am paying attention to diet but

welcome all ideas. I know sleep is important. I know exercise is critical too.

> Thank you for reading this far and for any suggestions you might have.

> -JuLeah

>

[Guest guest]

Hi JuLeah, she should celebrate that she got the note written, yay! But when

and how much to push? Can be tough to decide sometimes. Like you, I think

putting forth an effort counts. If she'd managed to get everything else done

but writing the note, the parts she did get done should be celebrated too, etc.

Generally when working on OCD, and choosing things to work on, you ignore the

rest of OCD (yes, accommodate) that is too " high up on that hierarchy list " to

work on yet. A few successes at the easier things can help make those harder

ones easier later.

Hope the camping trip goes well, have fun!

>

> Thank you. I find myself getting frustrated, but too late understanding the

bigger picture. There is so much I just do 'get'

>  

> This morning, as we were rushing around packing, feeding pets, loading the car

for a camping trip, I asked her to please write a quick note to the fellow who

will be here fixing to porch while we are away.

[Guest guest]

thank you ...

I could have freed hundreds more if only I had been able to convince them they

were slaves. Harriet Tubman

To: " " < >

Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:47 AM

Subject: Re: RE: New Here

 

I would still have her do things like write the note.  I am guessing the stress

of rushing to get ready and the stress of prepping for a trip and the stress of

the unexpecteds of an upcoming trip added to her stress of how to write the

fellow's name??  But she did it and that is something to be celebrated.  I

would just allow her extra time for every day things that would take most people

no time (or thought) at all.  You have a great attitude!!

Sharon

To: " " < >

Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:04 AM

Subject: RE: New Here

 

Thank you. I find myself getting frustrated, but too late understanding the

bigger picture. There is so much I just do 'get'

 

This morning, as we were rushing around packing, feeding pets, loading the car

for a camping trip, I asked her to please write a quick note to the fellow who

will be here fixing to porch while we are away.

 

That didn't seem a big task to my way of thinking.

 

She fussed, balked, and I snapped. " Just write the note, it's not rocket

science "

 

As I watched her complete the task, I understood why she had not wanted to take

it on.

 

Finding a pen that was not dirty, opening the closet with her feet (cause she

doesn't touch door handles) to get out a sheet of paper, making sure the paper

sat on the table 'the right way' writing so her hand never actually touched the

paper, which it did so she had to go wash anyway ... but it turns out, her

biggest issue was in how to spell the fellows full name. There are several

common spellings and I myself was not sure which he used. Not spelling a persons

name correctly is a BIG deal to her, as I now understand.

 

So, she wrote the note, but ...

 

I don't know, should I keep pushing on such issues. She can't live her life from

under her blankets hiding from the world.

 

I have a physical disability and much time has been given over to how I get

tasks done when I can't do them as an able bodied person might.

 

They don't go undone, I figure out a way.

 

I worked for years as an educator, and can't tell you how many kids would say,

" Yah, well I didn't study because of my ADD " or " I forgot my homework because of

my learning disability "

 

While I understand the greater challenge, and how accommodations might be

needed, I can't accept a label as an excuse for not even putting forth effort.

 

Am I wrong?

 

I was still pushing a wheelchair when my daughter was born (car crash, didn't

walk for 7 years) Anyway, the shopping still needed to get done, cooking dinner,

time with friends, play dates, trips to the library ... life still needed to be

lived.

 

I put her in a front pack and was able to push my chair. When she got older, I

sat her facing forward and tied her to me with a scarf so she didn't to topple

off

 

She LOVED to ride.

 

I guess that's my point, don't make excuses, but I still have much to learn

about what is her limit.

 

Thank you all for listening!!! I have felt so alone in this.

 

Well, off to trees and rivers for a few days

 

-JuLeah

 

[Guest guest]

Kara, I am new here too. Dealing with ex-spouses when you know your child needs

help is very difficult. Fortunately, we have a joint parenting agreement and I

made sure to put language in the document that if we cannot agree that I have

the final say. I am a lawyer, and I wanted to make sure I could get my children

the care they needed because with the ex, it is all about the money.

Anyway, here is my suggestion to you, which is currently the way I am handling a

similar situation. I called the behavior health dept of the insurance company

and explained how serious the situation is - being very specific about my

daughter's behavior and statements - I told them I thought she needed intensive

outpatient therapy and asked them to assign a case manager for her. The case

manager asked me lots of questions and said she at least met the criteria for

intensive outpatient, but may also need partial hospitalization (similar to IO,

but more therapy and support). The case manager then spent hours trying to find

a place that could treat my daughter and, even though it is an HMO, is willing

to go outside the network and enter into a single case agreement with a

facility. We live in a rural area, so finding treatment for a 7yo is impossible.

We're trying to get back to Mayo, where she's been treated before, and insurance

co. agreed, and we're trying to work out the details. So now I can tell the ex

that the insurance company is sending our daughter to the specific facility and

that our daughter's case manager recommends it. The more people you can get on

your side, the more ammo you will have if you have to go to court to get her

treatment.

My advice is to take the bull by the horns and do what you know you have to do.

Your daughter's mental survival depends on you advocating for her. We OCD moms

gotta do what we gotta do. I hope this helps.

> >

> > Hello All,

> >

> > My child is nine. I am new to this and still struggling to understand.

> >

> > I first noticed behaviors when she was in the 2nd grade. Obsessive hand

washing was what first caught my attention, but I assumed it was a backlash to

all the swine flu germ talks and the schools insistence on hand sanitizer on

every desk. But, then I started to notice this touching thing, so she would

touch the right side of the desk, and then seemingly need to touch the left. If

the front of her body brushed against a wall, she'd turn and brush the back

against the wall too.

> >

> > It was when she told me she `had to' that I really started to pay attention.

> >

> > I had known a few people with OCD and of course, I had seen the TV show

Monk, but that was the extent of my knowledge.

> > I asked people who knew more then me. I was told to watch, don't encourage,

don't discourage; see what unfolds.

> > It got worse.

> > My daughter came to me one day in tears asking what was wrong with her. She

talked about no wanting to do these things, but not being able to stop herself.

Her friends at school were asking questions and she didn't know what to say.

> > I spoke with her teacher, who had noticed but had no real suggestions.

> > One of battles I won in the custody was that my daughter would see a mental

health professional. She had been displaying physical signs of stress and

anxiety for many many months.

> > Sadly, my ex got to choose the person.

> > I took my child to see this mental health professional who used the label

OCD and said she had a lot of experience working with kids who struggle with

this condition. I felt hope.

> > After speaking with the ex however, all of that changed. The ex claimed to

have never seen the behaviors and declared our daughter fit and no longer in

need of a counselor.

> > When the ex claims to have never seen the behaviors, it translates to, the

behaviors are not allowed.

> > I do believe there are fewer behaviors in that house as a result, but the

pressure building inside my daughter is increasing. It feels like the compulsive

behaviors somehow release some of the pressure.

> > She hides the behaviors as best she can at school and at the ex house, with

me, I see them all.

> > I don't want to … encourage, but I do accommodate. She will brush her teeth

independently, if provided her with a tooth brush only she has ever touched.

> > To keep her hands from getting raw and bloody, I buy non soap soap for her

to use.

> > I don't fuss at her when we get out of the car, but stand and wait as she

touched the door 20 times.

> > She recently started licking things however, that that's kind of gross to

me. Her hands and arms, her shirt, the car seat, the seat belt … I did ask her

to stop that, but she tells me she can't.

> > The ex says I am creating this problem and it would be gone completely if I

didn't encourage it. The ex feels I coached her into the behavior actually.

> > I do set limits with my daughter

> > I don't let her use this as an excuse when I can help it. " I can't do my

homework the pencil is dirty "

> > " Well wash it or find a new one that has never been used, but do your

homework "

> > I tell her we all have something we struggle with, and this seems to be one

of her things.

> > She wants to trade.

> > I am getting more and more concerned because she seems to be getting more

and more depressed.

> > She told me a few weeks back that, " If this is going to be my life, I don't

see the point in living "

> > I know untreated OCD can lead to bigger issues.

> > I have spoken with mental health professionals, doctors, teachers, social

workers, and a judge. I have hired attorneys even, but got out spent.

> > I am left with attempting to help her help herself. So, I turn to sources

such as this asking for advice, support, ideas … I am paying attention to diet

but welcome all ideas. I know sleep is important. I know exercise is critical

too.

> > Thank you for reading this far and for any suggestions you might have.

> > -JuLeah

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to say hello and look forward to getting to know you. I have a lot

of weight to lose and need some support and a way out of my beating myself up

when things don't go the way I want them to. I am 50 years old and live in Utah

with my son and husband and 2 cats.

[Guest guest]

Welcome, !

Eldred

> Hi Everyone,

>

> Just wanted to say hello and look forward to getting to know you. I have a

lot of weight to lose and need some support and a way out of my beating myself

up when things don't go the way I want them to. I am 50 years old and live in

Utah with my son and husband and 2 cats.

>

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