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Don't feel guilty. If you can get samples, use them. That's what they are for. I like it when my doctor can help me out now and then with a few samples. Sometimes I don't have the money for my copays and the samples get me through. God bless the doctors out there who honestly care for their patients.

God bless you!

Subject: Why do I feel so guiltyTo: asthma , AsthmaSupportPLUS Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 7:50 PM

I don't get it, the Insurance company told me I should do this, but I feelas if I shouldn't now. I called the PCP office today to see if the drug rephad been through yet to get my samples of my meds to get me through anothermonth. Of course they had everything I needed and for a month's worth. Shewas bagging it up and I go pick it up at the office closer to my hometomorrow. With my Copays this is $250 worth of copay medications, that's notto say how much the insurance company pays. Yeah I have my coupons, but if Ican get the samples I won't have to lay out the money to pay copays, but whyin the world am I feeling so guilty as if I shouldn't do this?Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that Hedidn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992____________ _________ _________ _________No

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I know, but my asthma dr acted as if I was depleting his stock. I got one box of Simbicort160 and the card for the Xyzal, I over heard him tell the nurse that if I was going to get samples from him each time he'd have to change my meds. Now why would you do that if what YOU put me on is working? Forget that crap! I can switch back over to the PCP for the rest of my care and if I have anymore problems I'll return to the specialist. It annoys me that he said that within hearing range. I have an appt with him July 2nd and you better believe I'm going to put him on the spot about his comment. Everything he put me on is a Tier3 on our insurance which means max co-pay for us. I'm not giving up what works for me because he's stingy. I'll be sure to let him know my PCP will take over from this point since we have it pretty much under control and he has a copy of the asthma action plan.

Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992

From: asthma [mailto:asthma ] On Behalf Of Bill and CanterSent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:01 PMTo: asthma Subject: Re: Why do I feel so guilty

Don't feel guilty. If you can get samples, use them. That's what they are for. I like it when my doctor can help me out now and then with a few samples. Sometimes I don't have the money for my copays and the samples get me through. God bless the doctors out there who honestly care for their patients.

God bless you!

Subject: Why do I feel so guiltyTo: asthma , AsthmaSupportPLUS Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 7:50 PM

I don't get it, the Insurance company told me I should do this, but I feelas if I shouldn't now. I called the PCP office today to see if the drug rephad been through yet to get my samples of my meds to get me through anothermonth. Of course they had everything I needed and for a month's worth. Shewas bagging it up and I go pick it up at the office closer to my hometomorrow. With my Copays this is $250 worth of copay medications, that's notto say how much the insurance company pays. Yeah I have my coupons, but if Ican get the samples I won't have to lay out the money to pay copays, but whyin the world am I feeling so guilty as if I shouldn't do this?Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that Hedidn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992____________ _________ _________ _________No viruses found in this outgoing messageScanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5http://www.iolo. com

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If not for samples I would be in the poor house! There's no way I

could afford the co-pay for Zyflo, so my dr gave me 2 months worth.

That way I have time to argue with my insurance company and get a

copay exception.

Don't feel bad!!!

Kathleen

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> To: asthma , AsthmaSupportPLUS

> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 7:50 PM

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> I don't get it, the Insurance company told me I should do this, but

I feel

> as if I shouldn't now. I called the PCP office today to see if the

drug rep

> had been through yet to get my samples of my meds to get me through

another

> month. Of course they had everything I needed and for a month's

worth. She

> was bagging it up and I go pick it up at the office closer to my

home

> tomorrow. With my Copays this is $250 worth of copay medications,

that's not

> to say how much the insurance company pays. Yeah I have my coupons,

but if I

> can get the samples I won't have to lay out the money to pay

copays, but why

> in the world am I feeling so guilty as if I shouldn't do this?

>

> Terry

> I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish

that He

> didn't trust me so much. ~Mother

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I worked as a nurse in the clinic and gave tons of samples to patients. I can tell you it does not cost him a thing or affect him at all for him to give you those meds. I would say alot of the time we ended up throwing out drugs because they expired because the docs did not give them out enough! The clinic I go to now does not accept free drugs from the reps..so no samples for me! I would put him in his place..and even consider calling the company from the meds and tell them what you heard. You know what they say about the squeaky wheel!

Anita

Why do I feel so guiltyTo: asthma , AsthmaSupportPLUS Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 7:50 PM

I don't get it, the Insurance company told me I should do this, but I feelas if I shouldn't now. I called the PCP office today to see if the drug rephad been through yet to get my samples of my meds to get me through anothermonth. Of course they had everything I needed and for a month's worth. Shewas bagging it up and I go pick it up at the office closer to my hometomorrow. With my Copays this is $250 worth of copay medications, that's notto say how much the insurance company pays. Yeah I have my coupons, but if Ican get the samples I won't have to lay out the money to pay copays, but whyin the world am I feeling so guilty as if I shouldn't do this?Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that Hedidn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992____________ _________ _________ _________No

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I wouldn't worry about it, the pharmeceuticals just use it as tax write-offs, advertising expenses, corporate r & d grants whatever, but if it does reduce the profits just less tax they pay for uncle sam, if you are able to receive medication for free, I wouldn't feel guilty especially since you have children, I am sure you can use all the financial help.

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I don't get it, the Insurance company told me I should do this, but I feelas if I shouldn't now. I called the PCP office today to see if the drug rephad been through yet to get my samples of my meds to get me through anothermonth. Of course they had everything I needed and for a month's worth. Shewas bagging it up and I go pick it up at the office closer to my hometomorrow. With my Copays this is $250 worth of copay medications, that's notto say how much the insurance company pays. Yeah I have my coupons, but if Ican get the samples I won't have to lay out the money to pay copays, but whyin the world am I feeling so guilty as if I shouldn't do this?Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that Hedidn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992____________ _________ _________ _________No

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The doctors realize how much we have to put out for meds & if they

can aliviate it some, it eases their minds & our pocketbook.

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> I don't get it, the Insurance company told me I should do this,

but I feel

> as if I shouldn't now. I called the PCP office today to see if the

drug rep

> had been through yet to get my samples of my meds to get me

through another

> month. Of course they had everything I needed and for a month's

worth. She

> was bagging it up and I go pick it up at the office closer to my

home

> tomorrow. With my Copays this is $250 worth of copay medications,

that's not

> to say how much the insurance company pays. Yeah I have my

coupons, but if I

> can get the samples I won't have to lay out the money to pay

copays, but why

> in the world am I feeling so guilty as if I shouldn't do this?

>

> Terry

> I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish

that He

> didn't trust me so much. ~Mother

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> Established August of 1992

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I had seriously considered that. The nurse who's my cousin told me quietly to come in ever 2 months because IF he sees me he has to give me the samples I need/use. It just ticks me off to no end that he even said that. You better believe I'm going to say something to him

Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992

From: asthma [mailto:asthma ] On Behalf Of Anita WSent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:27 PMTo: asthma Subject: Re: Why do I feel so guilty

Terry

I worked as a nurse in the clinic and gave tons of samples to patients. I can tell you it does not cost him a thing or affect him at all for him to give you those meds. I would say alot of the time we ended up throwing out drugs because they expired because the docs did not give them out enough! The clinic I go to now does not accept free drugs from the reps..so no samples for me! I would put him in his place..and even consider calling the company from the meds and tell them what you heard. You know what they say about the squeaky wheel!

Anita

Why do I feel so guiltyTo: asthma , AsthmaSupportPLUS Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 7:50 PM

I don't get it, the Insurance company told me I should do this, but I feelas if I shouldn't now. I called the PCP office today to see if the drug rephad been through yet to get my samples of my meds to get me through anothermonth. Of course they had everything I needed and for a month's worth. Shewas bagging it up and I go pick it up at the office closer to my hometomorrow. With my Copays this is $250 worth of copay medications, that's notto say how much the insurance company pays. Yeah I have my coupons, but if Ican get the samples I won't have to lay out the money to pay copays, but whyin the world am I feeling so guilty as if I shouldn't do this?Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that Hedidn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992____________ _________ _________ _________No viruses found in this outgoing messageScanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5http://www.iolo. com

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My doctor won't give samples, either. I asked him for a couple

Flovents so I could try them without paying because I don't have

prescription coverage. He said he couldn't give me any. Plus he said

he's " tired of hearing how I don't have prescription coverage. " I live

on about $1,000/mo and the Flovent cost me $112/mo at first and now

it's gone up to $118/mo. I dread switching to the Pro-air because

that's going to cost twice what my generic Albuterol does. More than

10% of my income, total. -marty

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> I worked as a nurse in the clinic and gave tons of samples to

> patients. I can tell you it does not cost him a thing or affect him at

> all for him to give you those meds. I would say alot of the time we

> ended up throwing out drugs because they expired because the docs did

> not give them out enough! The clinic I go to now does not accept free

> drugs from the reps..so no samples for me! I would put him in his

> place..and even consider calling the company from the meds and tell

> them what you heard. You know what they say about the squeaky wheel!

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> Anita

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How in the world do you fight for a co pay exception? I'm always in close

contact with my insurance company, they call me once a month to check on me

and I also have a case manager

Terry

I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He

didn't trust me so much. ~Mother

Teddy Bear's Early Learning Program

Established August of 1992

Why do I feel so guilty

> To: asthma , AsthmaSupportPLUS

> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 7:50 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I don't get it, the Insurance company told me I should do this, but

I feel

> as if I shouldn't now. I called the PCP office today to see if the

drug rep

> had been through yet to get my samples of my meds to get me through

another

> month. Of course they had everything I needed and for a month's

worth. She

> was bagging it up and I go pick it up at the office closer to my

home

> tomorrow. With my Copays this is $250 worth of copay medications,

that's not

> to say how much the insurance company pays. Yeah I have my coupons,

but if I

> can get the samples I won't have to lay out the money to pay

copays, but why

> in the world am I feeling so guilty as if I shouldn't do this?

>

> Terry

> I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish

that He

> didn't trust me so much. ~Mother

>

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> Established August of 1992

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You would think, It just ticked me off that he was so stingy with it, I make

no secret to my dr's that I have two tuitions to pay for, one college and

one catholic school, plus 6 med's to pay for 5 of which have $45 copays each

month a piece, IF the stuff works for me why in the heck would you switch

it? The more I think about what he said the more annoyed I get with him. You

just wait till I see him on the 2nd!

Terry

I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He

didn't trust me so much. ~Mother

Teddy Bear's Early Learning Program

Established August of 1992

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The doctors realize how much we have to put out for meds & if they can

aliviate it some, it eases their minds & our pocketbook.

>

> I don't get it, the Insurance company told me I should do this,

but I feel

> as if I shouldn't now. I called the PCP office today to see if the

drug rep

> had been through yet to get my samples of my meds to get me

through another

> month. Of course they had everything I needed and for a month's

worth. She

> was bagging it up and I go pick it up at the office closer to my

home

> tomorrow. With my Copays this is $250 worth of copay medications,

that's not

> to say how much the insurance company pays. Yeah I have my

coupons, but if I

> can get the samples I won't have to lay out the money to pay

copays, but why

> in the world am I feeling so guilty as if I shouldn't do this?

>

> Terry

> I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish

that He

> didn't trust me so much. ~Mother

>

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> Teddy Bear's Early Learning Program

> Established August of 1992

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I'd change dr's that just ticked me off! How insensitive! Sorry but makes me what to lay into someone like that. Not everyone has the luck to have medical insurance, Is there anyway you can go to your health department or contact the company who makes your medications and let them know that your dr's office #1 doesn't carry it and even if they did are refusing to offer you any, that you have no insurance?

Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992

From: asthma [mailto:asthma ] On Behalf Of MarthaSent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:27 AMTo: asthma Subject: Re: Why do I feel so guilty

My doctor won't give samples, either. I asked him for a couple Flovents so I could try them without paying because I don't have prescription coverage. He said he couldn't give me any. Plus he said he's "tired of hearing how I don't have prescription coverage." I live on about $1,000/mo and the Flovent cost me $112/mo at first and now it's gone up to $118/mo. I dread switching to the Pro-air because that's going to cost twice what my generic Albuterol does. More than 10% of my income, total. -marty

TerryI worked as a nurse in the clinic and gave tons of samples to patients. I can tell you it does not cost him a thing or affect him at all for him to give you those meds. I would say alot of the time we ended up throwing out drugs because they expired because the docs did not give them out enough! The clinic I go to now does not accept free drugs from the reps..so no samples for me! I would put him in his place..and even consider calling the company from the meds and tell them what you heard. You know what they say about the squeaky wheel!Anita RE: Why do I feel so guiltyI know, but my asthma dr acted as if I was depleting his stock. I got one box of Simbicort160 and the card for the Xyzal, I over heard him tell the nurse that if I was going to get samples from him each time he'd have to change my meds. Now why would you do that if what YOU put me on is working? Forget that crap! I can switch back over to the PCP for the rest of my care and if I have anymore problems I'll return to the specialist. It annoys me that he said that within hearing range. I have an appt with him July 2nd and you better believe I'm going to put him on the spot about his comment. Everything he put me on is a Tier3 on our insurance which means max co-pay for us. I'm not giving up what works for me because he's stingy. I'll be sure to let him know my PCP will take over from this point since we have it pretty much under control and he has a copy of the asthma action plan. Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992 <image.tiff>

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I noticed that last Symbicort160 expired 4 weeks after I received it so I had to use it right away. But at my pcp, his have longer dates on them. Thanks for the insight

Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992

From: asthma [mailto:asthma ] On Behalf Of Anita WSent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:27 PMTo: asthma Subject: Re: Why do I feel so guilty

Terry

I worked as a nurse in the clinic and gave tons of samples to patients. I can tell you it does not cost him a thing or affect him at all for him to give you those meds. I would say alot of the time we ended up throwing out drugs because they expired because the docs did not give them out enough! The clinic I go to now does not accept free drugs from the reps..so no samples for me! I would put him in his place..and even consider calling the company from the meds and tell them what you heard. You know what they say about the squeaky wheel!

Anita

Why do I feel so guiltyTo: asthma , AsthmaSupportPLUS Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 7:50 PM

I don't get it, the Insurance company told me I should do this, but I feelas if I shouldn't now. I called the PCP office today to see if the drug rephad been through yet to get my samples of my meds to get me through anothermonth. Of course they had everything I needed and for a month's worth. Shewas bagging it up and I go pick it up at the office closer to my hometomorrow. With my Copays this is $250 worth of copay medications, that's notto say how much the insurance company pays. Yeah I have my coupons, but if Ican get the samples I won't have to lay out the money to pay copays, but whyin the world am I feeling so guilty as if I shouldn't do this?Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that Hedidn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992____________ _________ _________ _________No viruses found in this outgoing messageScanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5http://www.iolo. com

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A while back I read that the only reason some Doctors will even agree

to see the pharmacutical reps is so they can get the free samples to

give to patients who can't afford them.

Alana

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> Terry

> I worked as a nurse in the clinic and gave tons of samples to

patients. I can tell you it does not cost him a thing or affect him at

all for him to give you those meds. I would say alot of the time we

ended up throwing out drugs because they expired because the docs did

not give them out enough!

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REALLY, and here some are so freakin stingy with them! That's what annoys

the hell out of me. ESPECIALLY as Asthma specialist! Every med he has me on

it the top of the line copay, HELLO, I'm not sleeping on a money bed, nor to

I have a money tree growing in my back yard! All I'm asking for is a little

help, I can do the every other month of paying copays just help me out a

little please!

Terry

I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He

didn't trust me so much. ~Mother

Teddy Bear's Early Learning Program

Established August of 1992

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A while back I read that the only reason some Doctors will even agree to see

the pharmacutical reps is so they can get the free samples to give to

patients who can't afford them.

Alana

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> Terry

> I worked as a nurse in the clinic and gave tons of samples to

patients. I can tell you it does not cost him a thing or affect him at all

for him to give you those meds. I would say alot of the time we ended up

throwing out drugs because they expired because the docs did not give them

out enough!

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I know at least where I worked, that I could go get the samples for patients. I admit I did not think about it much, but our drs were pretty decent about remembering, we even had antibiotic samples enough so you could fight the whole infection without paying.

Why do I feel so guiltyTo: asthma , AsthmaSupportPLUS Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 7:50 PM

I don't get it, the Insurance company told me I should do this, but I feelas if I shouldn't now. I called the PCP office today to see if the drug rephad been through yet to get my samples of my meds to get me through anothermonth. Of course they had everything I needed and for a month's worth. Shewas bagging it up and I go pick it up at the office closer to my hometomorrow. With my Copays this is $250 worth of copay medications, that's notto say how much the insurance company pays. Yeah I have my coupons, but if Ican get the samples I won't have to lay out the money to pay copays, but whyin the world am I feeling so guilty as if I shouldn't do this?Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that Hedidn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992____________ _________ _________ _________No

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Last month my doctor gave me an Advair and my provental as samples so I didn't have to pay my co-pay. Those two are the most expensive co-pays I have.

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I don't get it, the Insurance company told me I should do this, but I feelas if I shouldn't now. I called the PCP office today to see if the drug rephad been through yet to get my samples of my meds to get me through anothermonth. Of course they had everything I needed and for a month's worth. Shewas bagging it up and I go pick it up at the office closer to my hometomorrow. With my Copays this is $250 worth of copay medications, that's notto say how much the insurance company pays. Yeah I have my coupons, but if Ican get the samples I won't have to lay out the money to pay copays, but whyin the world am I feeling so guilty as if I shouldn't do this?Terry I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that Hedidn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teddy Bear's Early Learning ProgramEstablished August of 1992____________ _________ _________ _________No

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doctors know that not everyone has insurance, etc...the point is...if they know that and don't care, then they really don't care about the patient at all.

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With our insurance, you can request a special exception for the tier

3 drugs copay. For tier 3 it's 50% or $50 whichever is MORE! If

you've tried all the drugs under the tier 3 one and they don't work

or you're allergic, you can ask for an exception. If it's approved,

you pay the tier 2 copay ($15) instead. I already pay the tier 3 for

my xopenex ($191/month), so I really can't afford another one. The

pharmacy told me it would be $173/month. So the dr helps me as much

as possible.

They have a big room filled with samples! And my internist, always

stocked me up too. She complained about having expired ones they

have to throw away! Marty - you need to look at changing dr's if

they can't even give you some free samples! Stingy! And that

comment about you complaining? Inexcusable!!

Hope everyone is having a good day!

Kathleen

> >

> > Don't feel guilty. If you can get samples, use them. That's what

> they are for. I like it when my doctor can help me out now and then

with a

> few samples. Sometimes I don't have the money for my copays and the

samples

> get me through.  God bless the doctors out there who honestly care

for their

> patients.

> >

> >

> > God bless you!

> >

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Thanks for your opinion. I live in a rural area (and the air really is

better, here), but there aren't any doctors or hospitals in my Fla.

county. I drive about 40 miles to this doctor and he's the first one

I've met around here who has a degree from a U.S. University --not

University of the Philippines, U of the Caribbean, etc. He's good in

many other ways, but just doesn't give out samples. I was offended at

his comment about my prescription coverage. I've gone to three doctors

in surrounding counties since I moved here 25 years ago. The first one

didn't speak English, the next one was really arrogant --sarcastically

told me (when I explained what seemed to trigger my asthma) that he'd

just have to start sending his asthma patients to me because I was

apparently an expert. And now this guy who's entire office is covered

in clocks, bulletin boards, fliers, pens, etc. with pharma logos on

them--but who never has samples.

Looked into getting help, but they wanted copies of the past three

years' tax forms and I have my own small business, so my tax forms are

lengthy (plus very confusing and lengthy application forms). Another

one said I had to be already on my state's Medicaid program, which I'm

not. I can't get Medicaid because my five-year-old Ford Focus is worth

more than $4,000. I'm too young for Medicare, too sick and old to get

insurance, too rich for Medicaid, and too poor to afford my own

prescriptions. I hate the cliche, but it's a perfect storm for widows

between 55 and 65. At least my late husband and my dad had the VA to

turn to when they became ill. But most women my age (60) didn't serve

in the military so we have no place to turn to. My dad lost

everything--home, cars, savings, business, when his second wife (a

terrific lady) came down with malignant melanoma. We need to campaign

for better insurance coverage. The cherry picking has to stop.

--marty

On Tuesday, June 24, 2008, at 06:55 AM, Terry wrote:

> I'd change dr's that just ticked me off! How insensitive! Sorry but

> makes me what to lay into someone like that. Not everyone has the luck

> to have medical insurance, Is there anyway you can go to your health

> department or contact the company who makes your medications and let

> them know that your dr's office #1 doesn't carry it and even if they

> did are refusing to offer you any, that you have no insurance?

>  

>

> Terry

> I know God will not give me anything I can't handle.  I just wish that

> He didn't trust me so much.  ~Mother

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> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:27 AM

> To: asthma

> Subject: Re: Why do I feel so guilty

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> My doctor won't give samples, either. I asked him for a couple

> Flovents so I could try them without paying because I don't have

> prescription coverage. He said he couldn't give me any. Plus he said

> he's " tired of hearing how I don't have prescription coverage. " I live

> on about $1,000/mo and the Flovent cost me $112/mo at first and now

> it's gone up to $118/mo. I dread switching to the Pro-air because

> that's going to cost twice what my generic Albuterol does. More than

> 10% of my income, total. -marty

>

>

> Terry

>

> I worked as a nurse in the clinic and gave tons of samples to

> patients. I can tell you it does not cost him a thing or affect him at

> all for him to give you those meds. I would say alot of the time we

> ended up throwing out drugs because they expired because the docs did

> not give them out enough! The clinic I go to now does not accept free

> drugs from the reps..so no samples for me! I would put him in his

> place..and even consider calling the company from the meds and tell

> them what you heard. You know what they say about the squeaky wheel!

>

> Anita

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Changing doctors when you live in a rural area (and I don't have enough

$$ to move) is really hard. They talk to each other and if you're

viewed as a questioning or even slightly " argumentative " patient,

nobody will take you. There are only three doctors within 70 miles.

With the cost of gas, I have to go to somebody who's as close as

possible. You can't imagine the stress I have the night before an

app't. I can't sleep at all. That usually makes my asthma worse. All

they have to do is tell you that you better go find another doctor.

The devil I know is better than the one I don't know. --marty

> With our insurance, you can request a special exception for the tier

> 3 drugs copay. For tier 3 it's 50% or $50 whichever is MORE! If

> you've tried all the drugs under the tier 3 one and they don't work

> or you're allergic, you can ask for an exception. If it's approved,

> you pay the tier 2 copay ($15) instead. I already pay the tier 3 for

> my xopenex ($191/month), so I really can't afford another one. The

> pharmacy told me it would be $173/month. So the dr helps me as much

> as possible.

>

> They have a big room filled with samples! And my internist, always

> stocked me up too. She complained about having expired ones they

> have to throw away! Marty - you need to look at changing dr's if

> they can't even give you some free samples! Stingy! And that

> comment about you complaining? Inexcusable!!

>

> Hope everyone is having a good day!

> Kathleen

>

>

> > >

> > > Don't feel guilty. If you can get samples, use them. That's what

> > they are for. I like it when my doctor can help me out now and then

> with a

> > few samples. Sometimes I don't have the money for my copays and the

> samples

> > get me through.  God bless the doctors out there who honestly care

> for their

> > patients.

> > >

> > >

> > > God bless you!

> > >

>

>

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Wow - I can't believe how different your healthcare is to ours!

As far as I am aware, a doctor's surgery can't refuse you. Almost all of our doctors work in surgeries, not independently, which means that although you are assigned to a specific doctor (GP - General Practitioner) within the practise, you can see any. I don't really like the GP I was assigned to, so I'll usually see anyone who has a slot at a convenient time. As it's a busy university practise, as well as being the main practise for the local area, requesting an appointment with a specific GP may well mean waiting longer. I was lucky when I first saw a doctor about getting breathless easily (that was not actually what I'd gone for - I just mentioned it, and she acted straight away), and since then, I have requested an appointment specifiaclly with her.

To register at a new practise is easy - you just go in, fill in a form with your details, some will give you a basic check up at that point, especially if you hvaen't actually seen a doctor for a while, then your notes are sent from the old practise.

No-one really thinks twice about going to A & E in an emergency, as we know it won't cost us. Yes, we do pay, out of taxes, but it is not an upfront payment, and how much you pay in tax is linked to how much you earn. There are, those, though, that go to A & E when they could easily wait and see a doctor, and also people who seem to treat ambulances as a free taxi service. I personally think that those who end up in A & E because of drunkenness and drugs (both of which have been identified as a big drain on the NHS) should pay. Might make them think twice...

I've noticed some of you mentioning phoning the doctor rather than going to A & E - here, we;d either go straight to A & E, or we have NHS direct (NHS 24 in Scotland), where you can speak to a nurse to get advice.

As for prescriptions, again, not being able to afford it is not an issue. Certain people qualify for free prescriptions (kids under 17, under 18 if a student, pregnant women, retired people, unemployed people etc) and the rest of us pay a prescription charge which we complain about, but compared to what you all pay, it's peanuts (£5 in Scotland, £6,75 in England). I think as welll you can pay a set amount (£40 seems to ring a bell) for the year, to cover all prescriptions.

Whilst we complain about the NHS (believe me, it has it's faults), I think I;d rather have that than your system... I did read somewhere that the healthcare system is one thing many Americans would like to swap for our British one!!

Jenn

Tha can tek t'lass outta Yorkshire...!

Don't brand me, don't classify me, don't tell me what to wear. I'll be who I want to be, and I'm proud to be me.

> With our insurance, you can request a special exception for the tier

> 3 drugs copay. For tier 3 it's 50% or $50 whichever is MORE! If

> you've tried all the drugs under the tier 3 one and they don't

work

> or you're allergic, you can ask for an exception. If it's

approved,

> you pay the tier 2 copay ($15) instead. I already pay the tier 3 for

> my xopenex ($191/month), so I really can't afford another one. The

> pharmacy told me it would be $173/month. So the dr helps me as much

> as possible.

>

> They have a big room filled with samples! And my internist, always

> stocked me up too. She complained about having expired ones they

> have to throw away! Marty - you need to look at changing dr's if

> they can't even give you some free samples! Stingy! And that

> comment about you complaining? Inexcusable!!

>

> Hope everyone is having a good day!

> Kathleen

>

>

> > >

> > > Don't feel guilty. If you can get samples, use them.

That's what

> > they are for. I like it when my doctor can help me out now and then

> with a

> > few samples. Sometimes I don't have the money for my copays and

the

> samples

> > get me through. God bless the doctors out there who honestly care

> for their

> > patients.

> > >

> > >

> > > God bless you!

> > >

>

>

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European countries usually are know to provide better medical coverages, socialized medicine. I lived in Denmark for awhile and it was the same they believed in taking care of all their people the Danes, in American we operate as an independent culture, capitalists.... hard if you are not a hard hitter staying at the top.

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Wow - I can't believe how different your healthcare is to ours!

As far as I am aware, a doctor's surgery can't refuse you. Almost all of our doctors work in surgeries, not independently, which means that although you are assigned to a specific doctor (GP - General Practitioner) within the practise, you can see any. I don't really like the GP I was assigned to, so I'll usually see anyone who has a slot at a convenient time. As it's a busy university practise, as well as being the main practise for the local area, requesting an appointment with a specific GP may well mean waiting longer. I was lucky when I first saw a doctor about getting breathless easily (that was not actually what I'd gone for - I just mentioned it, and she acted straight away), and since then, I have requested an appointment specifiaclly with her.

To register at a new practise is easy - you just go in, fill in a form with your details, some will give you a basic check up at that point, especially if you hvaen't actually seen a doctor for a while, then your notes are sent from the old practise.

No-one really thinks twice about going to A & E in an emergency, as we know it won't cost us. Yes, we do pay, out of taxes, but it is not an upfront payment, and how much you pay in tax is linked to how much you earn. There are, those, though, that go to A & E when they could easily wait and see a doctor, and also people who seem to treat ambulances as a free taxi service. I personally think that those who end up in A & E because of drunkenness and drugs (both of which have been identified as a big drain on the NHS) should pay. Might make them think twice...

I've noticed some of you mentioning phoning the doctor rather than going to A & E - here, we;d either go straight to A & E, or we have NHS direct (NHS 24 in Scotland), where you can speak to a nurse to get advice.

As for prescriptions, again, not being able to afford it is not an issue. Certain people qualify for free prescriptions (kids under 17, under 18 if a student, pregnant women, retired people, unemployed people etc) and the rest of us pay a prescription charge which we complain about, but compared to what you all pay, it's peanuts (£5 in Scotland, £6,75 in England). I think as welll you can pay a set amount (£40 seems to ring a bell) for the year, to cover all prescriptions.

Whilst we complain about the NHS (believe me, it has it's faults), I think I;d rather have that than your system... I did read somewhere that the healthcare system is one thing many Americans would like to swap for our British one!!

Jenn

Tha can tek t'lass outta Yorkshire... !

Don't brand me, don't classify me, don't tell me what to wear. I'll be who I want to be, and I'm proud to be me.

> With our insurance, you can request a special exception for the tier

> 3 drugs copay. For tier 3 it's 50% or $50 whichever is MORE! If

> you've tried all the drugs under the tier 3 one and they don't

work

> or you're allergic, you can ask for an exception. If it's

approved,

> you pay the tier 2 copay ($15) instead. I already pay the tier 3 for

> my xopenex ($191/month) , so I really can't afford another one. The

> pharmacy told me it would be $173/month. So the dr helps me as much

> as possible.

>

> They have a big room filled with samples! And my internist, always

> stocked me up too. She complained about having expired ones they

> have to throw away! Marty - you need to look at changing dr's if

> they can't even give you some free samples! Stingy! And that

> comment about you complaining? Inexcusable! !

>

> Hope everyone is having a good day!

> Kathleen

>

>

> > >

> > > Don't feel guilty. If you can get samples, use them.

That's what

> > they are for. I like it when my doctor can help me out now and then

> with a

> > few samples. Sometimes I don't have the money for my copays and

the

> samples

> > get me through. God bless the doctors out there who honestly care

> for their

> > patients.

> > >

> > >

> > > God bless you!

> > >

>

>

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Spain is also supposed to be pretty good, despite the views of British tourists. Belgium as well, which is where I want to move to in a few years. But I'm glad I didn't need any health treatment in Belarus, as not long after I came back, I saw a documentary about Belarus, which showed a hospital operating theatre... which looked more like a standard kitchen...

Standards in Europe do differ, but I can imagine that Denmark, as you say, would be pretty good, as all the Scandinavian countries seem to have good public services. Though they are also taxed pretty heavily, I think.

Jenn

Tha can tek t'lass outta Yorkshire...!

Don't brand me, don't classify me, don't tell me what to wear. I'll be who I want to be, and I'm proud to be me.

> With our insurance, you can request a special exception for the tier

> 3 drugs copay. For tier 3 it's 50% or $50 whichever is MORE! If

> you've tried all the drugs under the tier 3 one and they don't

work

> or you're allergic, you can ask for an exception. If it's

approved,

> you pay the tier 2 copay ($15) instead. I already pay the tier 3 for

> my xopenex ($191/month) , so I really can't afford another one. The

> pharmacy told me it would be $173/month. So the dr helps me as much

> as possible.

>

> They have a big room filled with samples! And my internist, always

> stocked me up too. She complained about having expired ones they

> have to throw away! Marty - you need to look at changing dr's if

> they can't even give you some free samples! Stingy! And that

> comment about you complaining? Inexcusable! !

>

> Hope everyone is having a good day!

> Kathleen

>

>

> > >

> > > Don't feel guilty. If you can get samples, use them.

That's what

> > they are for. I like it when my doctor can help me out now and then

> with a

> > few samples. Sometimes I don't have the money for my copays and

the

> samples

> > get me through. God bless the doctors out there who honestly care

> for their

> > patients.

> > >

> > >

> > > God bless you!

> > >

>

>

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There's a widespread notion that people who go to ERs here in the US

don't pay anything--it's passed on to the taxpayers. That is simply

not true. When my late husband was a cancer patient, his oncologist

was never available--always at some conference or seminar. If an

emergency arose, I was told to rush my husband to the ER at the

hospital where the oncologist practiced. If my husband was treated and

dismissed, we paid the bill (Medicare paid maybe--maybe a portion of

it). I'm an asthmatic. If I go to an ER I pay the bill. One bill,

almost $9,000 took my husband and me three years to pay off--but they

wanted every penny of it. We weren't totally indigent and paid it off,

but the ERs do their level best to get the patients they treat to pay

the entire bill. --marty

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With our insurance, if we go to ER and they keep us we don't pay anything, but if the treat us and let us go, we pay $100.00.

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Re: Re: Why do I feel so guiltyThere's a widespread notion that people who go to ERs here in the US don't pay anything--it's passed on to the taxpayers. That is simply not true. When my late husband was a cancer patient, his oncologist was never available--always at some conference or seminar. If an emergency arose, I was told to rush my husband to the ER at the hospital where the oncologist practiced. If my husband was treated and dismissed, we paid the bill (Medicare paid maybe--maybe a portion of it). I'm an asthmatic. If I go to an ER I pay the bill. One bill, almost $9,000 took my husband and me three years to pay off--but

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