Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 I will make some general comments on dosing. None of this is to be construed as specific advice for you. What you may need is highly individual. And I make a point of not advising anyone who is self-medicating. 25 mg of HC is probably more than most folks should take on a regular basis. Even the supposedly "physiological" dose of 20 mg per day is too much for some folks. Having a Free T3 that is too high for you can make you feel as rotten as having one that is too low. Your T4 levels are also important. The only times that I feel cold are when my T4 levels are too low. You cannot always expect that increasing your dose will immmediately bring your temps up. Hypothyroidism causes tissue damage, which takes time to heal. For many folks, it may take 12-18 months on their optimal dose for their temps to come up. If you have been hypo for a very long time, it may take even longer than that. This is why Armour doses cannot be adjusted by temps alone. Symptoms for over and undermedication can be very similar for many folks. For me, both result in joint pain. I have never experienced the nervousness and jumpiness that are most often associated with hyper. Other health problems can mimic the symptoms of hypothyroidism, most notably anemia. You may wish to have your ferritin levels checked. Even men can become anemic when hypo, because your low body temps prevent iron from being properly absorbed. If you do not eat meat, it is very difficult to get your ferritin levels up, even with iron supplements. Speaking of supplements, you may want to take a good look at any vitamins, nutriceuticals and other supplements you may be taking. Not all are good for hypo folks. I had a problem at one point because I was overdosing on selenium. I probably should not have been taking any more than what was in my multivitamin, because I eat a lot of nuts and seeds, many of which are high in selenium. Discuss your supplements and your diet with your doc. As for adjusting your doses, I do not recommend self-medication. You have a doc. You need to take the doses he has prescribed and discuss any possible changes with him. What doses of HC and Armour did he prescribe for you? If he is no longer helping you, then you need to find another doc. andy_cruikshank wrote: I've been trying to get my armour dosage up in order to get my body temperature up. Currently when I wake up, I'm in the mid 97's. It's like that most of the day, except before I go to sleep it's in the low 98's. Anyway, I'm up to 3 grains now along with 25mg hc. The hc has helped out tremendously with tolerating the armour, but I'm wondering if my dose it too high? I feel VERY HYPO! So much so that I have a real hard time waking up in the morning. My workouts are also AWEFUL, no endurance whatsoever. Muscle protein synthesis is alo limited as I'm constantly sore from working out!On to my question...Should I leave my hc dose at 25mg and up my armour again(I just upped it to 3 grains a few days ago)? OR should I lower my hc dose? I can't help but wonder if the hc dose is too high, limiting my protein synthesis. The thing is, the higher I'm going with both the HC and armour, the more tired and run down I feel.Any help is appreciated!! Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 What a great response Jan, I truly appreciate it! " 25 mg of HC is probably more than most folks should take on a regular basis. Even the supposedly " physiological " dose of 20 mg per day is too much for some folks. " That's kind of what I thought. What I was going by was the Safe Uses of Cortisol book, stating that 20-30mg/day was normal. " Having a Free T3 that is too high for you can make you feel as rotten as having one that is too low. Your T4 levels are also important. The only times that I feel cold are when my T4 levels are too low. " I've had the adrenal symptoms of too much T3 in the blood, which is palpatations, shakiness, anxiety, etc...This is much different. My energy levels are worse than before I started treatment. " You cannot always expect that increasing your dose will immmediately bring your temps up. Hypothyroidism causes tissue damage, which takes time to heal. For many folks, it may take 12-18 months on their optimal dose for their temps to come up. If you have been hypo for a very long time, it may take even longer than that. This is why Armour doses cannot be adjusted by temps alone. " Interesting, I didn't know that Jan " Symptoms for over and undermedication can be very similar for many folks. For me, both result in joint pain. I have never experienced the nervousness and jumpiness that are most often associated with hyper. " Now that's just frustrating. " Other health problems can mimic the symptoms of hypothyroidism, most notably anemia. You may wish to have your ferritin levels checked. Even men can become anemic when hypo, because your low body temps prevent iron from being properly absorbed. If you do not eat meat, it is very difficult to get your ferritin levels up, even with iron supplements. " I had it checked and it was about 45. I am on that Solgar Iron supplement at 50mg/day. " Speaking of supplements, you may want to take a good look at any vitamins, nutriceuticals and other supplements you may be taking. Not all are good for hypo folks. I had a problem at one point because I was overdosing on selenium. I probably should not have been taking any more than what was in my multivitamin, because I eat a lot of nuts and seeds, many of which are high in selenium. Discuss your supplements and your diet with your doc. " Will do. " As for adjusting your doses, I do not recommend self-medication. You have a doc. You need to take the doses he has prescribed and discuss any possible changes with him. What doses of HC and Armour did he prescribe for you? " My current doc trusts me to go by how I feel. He's just unaware of my hc usage. He was against using it, but given my intollerance to thyroid meds and an 8am cortisol level of 17, I feel I needed the support. " If he is no longer helping you, then you need to find another doc. " Agreed, I will start seeing Dr. Launius soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 May I add that if your cells have undergone extensive damage, then it doesn't matter how much T4 and T3 you throw at them, there is no way they can absorb or utilize those hormones until healing and other hormonal support or nutrients are introduced? This is what I understand takes place in folks who have to increase their doses slowly. Patience is a big key in treating this disease. Maybe I just said it in a different way than Jan but hope this helps. > > I will make some general comments on dosing. None of this is to be construed as specific advice for you. What you may need is highly individual. And I make a point of not advising anyone who is self- medicating. > > 25 mg of HC is probably more than most folks should take on a regular basis. Even the supposedly " physiological " dose of 20 mg per day is too much for some folks. > > Having a Free T3 that is too high for you can make you feel as rotten as having one that is too low. Your T4 levels are also important. The only times that I feel cold are when my T4 levels are too low. > > You cannot always expect that increasing your dose will immmediately bring your temps up. Hypothyroidism causes tissue damage, which takes time to heal. For many folks, it may take 12-18 months on their optimal dose for their temps to come up. If you have been hypo for a very long time, it may take even longer than that. This is why Armour doses cannot be adjusted by temps alone. > > Symptoms for over and undermedication can be very similar for many folks. For me, both result in joint pain. I have never experienced the nervousness and jumpiness that are most often associated with hyper. > > Other health problems can mimic the symptoms of hypothyroidism, most notably anemia. You may wish to have your ferritin levels checked. Even men can become anemic when hypo, because your low body temps prevent iron from being properly absorbed. If you do not eat meat, it is very difficult to get your ferritin levels up, even with iron supplements. > > Speaking of supplements, you may want to take a good look at any vitamins, nutriceuticals and other supplements you may be taking. Not all are good for hypo folks. I had a problem at one point because I was overdosing on selenium. I probably should not have been taking any more than what was in my multivitamin, because I eat a lot of nuts and seeds, many of which are high in selenium. Discuss your supplements and your diet with your doc. > > As for adjusting your doses, I do not recommend self-medication. You have a doc. You need to take the doses he has prescribed and discuss any possible changes with him. What doses of HC and Armour did he prescribe for you? > > If he is no longer helping you, then you need to find another doc. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Dr. Launius will not Rx HC. He may not even be willing to test cortisol levels.andy_cruikshank wrote: What a great response Jan, I truly appreciate it! "25 mg of HC is probably more than most folks should take on a regular basis. Even the supposedly "physiological" dose of 20 mg per day is too much for some folks." That's kind of what I thought. What I was going by was the Safe Uses of Cortisol book, stating that 20-30mg/day was normal. "Having a Free T3 that is too high for you can make you feel as rotten as having one that is too low. Your T4 levels are also important. The only times that I feel cold are when my T4 levels are too low."I've had the adrenal symptoms of too much T3 in the blood, which is palpatations, shakiness, anxiety, etc...This is much different. My energy levels are worse than before I started treatment. "You cannot always expect that increasing your dose will immmediately bring your temps up. Hypothyroidism causes tissue damage, which takes time to heal. For many folks, it may take 12-18 months on their optimal dose for their temps to come up. If you have been hypo for a very long time, it may take even longer than that. This is why Armour doses cannot be adjusted by temps alone."Interesting, I didn't know that Jan "Symptoms for over and undermedication can be very similar for many folks. For me, both result in joint pain. I have never experienced the nervousness and jumpiness that are most often associated with hyper."Now that's just frustrating. "Other health problems can mimic the symptoms of hypothyroidism, most notably anemia. You may wish to have your ferritin levels checked. Even men can become anemic when hypo, because your low body temps prevent iron from being properly absorbed. If you do not eat meat, it is very difficult to get your ferritin levels up, even with iron supplements."I had it checked and it was about 45. I am on that Solgar Iron supplement at 50mg/day. "Speaking of supplements, you may want to take a good look at any vitamins, nutriceuticals and other supplements you may be taking. Not all are good for hypo folks. I had a problem at one point because I was overdosing on selenium. I probably should not have been taking any more than what was in my multivitamin, because I eat a lot of nuts and seeds, many of which are high in selenium. Discuss your supplements and your diet with your doc."Will do. "As for adjusting your doses, I do not recommend self-medication. You have a doc. You need to take the doses he has prescribed and discuss any possible changes with him. What doses of HC and Armour did he prescribe for you?" My current doc trusts me to go by how I feel. He's just unaware of my hc usage. He was against using it, but given my intollerance to thyroid meds and an 8am cortisol level of 17, I feel I needed the support. "If he is no longer helping you, then you need to find another doc."Agreed, I will start seeing Dr. Launius soon. Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Interesting, thanks for the heads up. Maybe Dr. IS in my future. What a great response Jan, I truly appreciate it! > > " 25 mg of HC is probably more than most folks should take on a > regular basis. Even the supposedly " physiological " dose of 20 mg per > day is too much for some folks. " > > That's kind of what I thought. What I was going by was the Safe > Uses of Cortisol book, stating that 20-30mg/day was normal. > > " Having a Free T3 that is too high for you can make you feel as > rotten as having one that is too low. Your T4 levels are also > important. The only times that I feel cold are when my T4 levels are > too low. " > > I've had the adrenal symptoms of too much T3 in the blood, which is > palpatations, shakiness, anxiety, etc...This is much different. My > energy levels are worse than before I started treatment. > > " You cannot always expect that increasing your dose will > immmediately bring your temps up. Hypothyroidism causes tissue > damage, which takes time to heal. For many folks, it may take 12- 18 > months on their optimal dose for their temps to come up. If you have > been hypo for a very long time, it may take even longer than that. > This is why Armour doses cannot be adjusted by temps alone. " > > Interesting, I didn't know that Jan > > " Symptoms for over and undermedication can be very similar for many > folks. For me, both result in joint pain. I have never experienced > the nervousness and jumpiness that are most often associated with > hyper. " > > Now that's just frustrating. > > > " Other health problems can mimic the symptoms of hypothyroidism, > most notably anemia. You may wish to have your ferritin levels > checked. Even men can become anemic when hypo, because your low body > temps prevent iron from being properly absorbed. If you do not eat > meat, it is very difficult to get your ferritin levels up, even with > iron supplements. " > > I had it checked and it was about 45. I am on that Solgar Iron > supplement at 50mg/day. > > > " Speaking of supplements, you may want to take a good look at any > vitamins, nutriceuticals and other supplements you may be taking. > Not all are good for hypo folks. I had a problem at one point > because I was overdosing on selenium. I probably should not have > been taking any more than what was in my multivitamin, because I eat > a lot of nuts and seeds, many of which are high in selenium. Discuss > your supplements and your diet with your doc. " > > Will do. > > > " As for adjusting your doses, I do not recommend self-medication. > You have a doc. You need to take the doses he has prescribed and > discuss any possible changes with him. What doses of HC and Armour > did he prescribe for you? " > > My current doc trusts me to go by how I feel. He's just unaware of > my hc usage. He was against using it, but given my intollerance to > thyroid meds and an 8am cortisol level of 17, I feel I needed the > support. > > " If he is no longer helping you, then you need to find another doc. " > > Agreed, I will start seeing Dr. Launius soon. > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Interesting, thanks for the heads up. Maybe Dr. IS in my future. What a great response Jan, I truly appreciate it! > > " 25 mg of HC is probably more than most folks should take on a > regular basis. Even the supposedly " physiological " dose of 20 mg per > day is too much for some folks. " > > That's kind of what I thought. What I was going by was the Safe > Uses of Cortisol book, stating that 20-30mg/day was normal. > > " Having a Free T3 that is too high for you can make you feel as > rotten as having one that is too low. Your T4 levels are also > important. The only times that I feel cold are when my T4 levels are > too low. " > > I've had the adrenal symptoms of too much T3 in the blood, which is > palpatations, shakiness, anxiety, etc...This is much different. My > energy levels are worse than before I started treatment. > > " You cannot always expect that increasing your dose will > immmediately bring your temps up. Hypothyroidism causes tissue > damage, which takes time to heal. For many folks, it may take 12- 18 > months on their optimal dose for their temps to come up. If you have > been hypo for a very long time, it may take even longer than that. > This is why Armour doses cannot be adjusted by temps alone. " > > Interesting, I didn't know that Jan > > " Symptoms for over and undermedication can be very similar for many > folks. For me, both result in joint pain. I have never experienced > the nervousness and jumpiness that are most often associated with > hyper. " > > Now that's just frustrating. > > > " Other health problems can mimic the symptoms of hypothyroidism, > most notably anemia. You may wish to have your ferritin levels > checked. Even men can become anemic when hypo, because your low body > temps prevent iron from being properly absorbed. If you do not eat > meat, it is very difficult to get your ferritin levels up, even with > iron supplements. " > > I had it checked and it was about 45. I am on that Solgar Iron > supplement at 50mg/day. > > > " Speaking of supplements, you may want to take a good look at any > vitamins, nutriceuticals and other supplements you may be taking. > Not all are good for hypo folks. I had a problem at one point > because I was overdosing on selenium. I probably should not have > been taking any more than what was in my multivitamin, because I eat > a lot of nuts and seeds, many of which are high in selenium. Discuss > your supplements and your diet with your doc. " > > Will do. > > > " As for adjusting your doses, I do not recommend self-medication. > You have a doc. You need to take the doses he has prescribed and > discuss any possible changes with him. What doses of HC and Armour > did he prescribe for you? " > > My current doc trusts me to go by how I feel. He's just unaware of > my hc usage. He was against using it, but given my intollerance to > thyroid meds and an 8am cortisol level of 17, I feel I needed the > support. > > " If he is no longer helping you, then you need to find another doc. " > > Agreed, I will start seeing Dr. Launius soon. > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Dr. R is one of the very few who 1. Treats adrenals and 2. Knows what he is doing. If you start with him, you will most likely be making trips back to Texas after moving to Seattle, just like who moved to Wyoming. . . . Most of the Seattle folks see Dr. Mozafferian (sp?). He is a pretty conventional endo, but he listens to his patients and is willing to work with them on Armour or Cytomel. But I have yet to hear of him doing anything with regard to adrenals. andy_cruikshank wrote: Interesting, thanks for the heads up. Maybe Dr. IS in my future.>> Dr. Launius will not Rx HC. He may not even be willing to test cortisol levels. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 He will test, but we have yet to have anyone who was low so treatment is a question. Chances are he would refer, since he has no experience with adrenals. What a great response Jan, I truly appreciate it! > > " 25 mg of HC is probably more than most folks should take on a > regular basis. Even the supposedly " physiological " dose of 20 mg per > day is too much for some folks. " > > That's kind of what I thought. What I was going by was the Safe > Uses of Cortisol book, stating that 20-30mg/day was normal. > > " Having a Free T3 that is too high for you can make you feel as > rotten as having one that is too low. Your T4 levels are also > important. The only times that I feel cold are when my T4 levels are > too low. " > > I've had the adrenal symptoms of too much T3 in the blood, which is > palpatations, shakiness, anxiety, etc...This is much different. My > energy levels are worse than before I started treatment. > > " You cannot always expect that increasing your dose will > immmediately bring your temps up. Hypothyroidism causes tissue > damage, which takes time to heal. For many folks, it may take 12-18 > months on their optimal dose for their temps to come up. If you have > been hypo for a very long time, it may take even longer than that. > This is why Armour doses cannot be adjusted by temps alone. " > > Interesting, I didn't know that Jan > > " Symptoms for over and undermedication can be very similar for many > folks. For me, both result in joint pain. I have never experienced > the nervousness and jumpiness that are most often associated with > hyper. " > > Now that's just frustrating. > > > " Other health problems can mimic the symptoms of hypothyroidism, > most notably anemia. You may wish to have your ferritin levels > checked. Even men can become anemic when hypo, because your low body > temps prevent iron from being properly absorbed. If you do not eat > meat, it is very difficult to get your ferritin levels up, even with > iron supplements. " > > I had it checked and it was about 45. I am on that Solgar Iron > supplement at 50mg/day. > > > " Speaking of supplements, you may want to take a good look at any > vitamins, nutriceuticals and other supplements you may be taking. > Not all are good for hypo folks. I had a problem at one point > because I was overdosing on selenium. I probably should not have > been taking any more than what was in my multivitamin, because I eat > a lot of nuts and seeds, many of which are high in selenium. Discuss > your supplements and your diet with your doc. " > > Will do. > > > " As for adjusting your doses, I do not recommend self-medication. > You have a doc. You need to take the doses he has prescribed and > discuss any possible changes with him. What doses of HC and Armour > did he prescribe for you? " > > My current doc trusts me to go by how I feel. He's just unaware of > my hc usage. He was against using it, but given my intollerance to > thyroid meds and an 8am cortisol level of 17, I feel I needed the > support. > > " If he is no longer helping you, then you need to find another doc. " > > Agreed, I will start seeing Dr. Launius soon. > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Jan, Thank you for adding that bit about Dr. Mozaffarian. My daughter will be needing a doctor who knows how to treat Hashi's, although I think there may be some evidence that antibodies can go down with adequate thyroid hormone treatment? She may eventually need to see Dr. R. Maybe she and Andy can commute together, haha. > > Dr. R is one of the very few who > > 1. Treats adrenals and > 2. Knows what he is doing. > > If you start with him, you will most likely be making trips back to Texas after moving to Seattle, just like who moved to Wyoming. . . . > > Most of the Seattle folks see Dr. Mozafferian (sp?). He is a pretty conventional endo, but he listens to his patients and is willing to work with them on Armour or Cytomel. But I have yet to hear of him doing anything with regard to adrenals. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Ok, got my test results as of last Tuesday. Was on 3 grains and 20mg hc/day. FT4 - 1.76 (.61-1.76) FT3 - 6.0 (2.3-4.2) Too high, I know Sodium - 137 (135-148) Potassium - 4.0 (3.5-5.5) Ferritin - 76 (22-322) The good news is that even though my test results say I'm very hyper, I don't have adrenal symptoms anymore due to the hc. What I'm going to do is REALLY back down on the armour, maybe end up at 2 grains, but add in synthetic T4. Any opinions? > > I've been trying to get my armour dosage up in order to get my body > temperature up. Currently when I wake up, I'm in the mid 97's. It's > like that most of the day, except before I go to sleep it's in the low > 98's. > > Anyway, I'm up to 3 grains now along with 25mg hc. The hc has helped > out tremendously with tolerating the armour, but I'm wondering if my > dose it too high? I feel VERY HYPO! So much so that I have a real > hard time waking up in the morning. My workouts are also AWEFUL, no > endurance whatsoever. Muscle protein synthesis is alo limited as I'm > constantly sore from working out! > > On to my question...Should I leave my hc dose at 25mg and up my armour > again(I just upped it to 3 grains a few days ago)? OR should I lower > my hc dose? I can't help but wonder if the hc dose is too high, > limiting my protein synthesis. The thing is, the higher I'm going > with both the HC and armour, the more tired and run down I feel. > > Any help is appreciated!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 How long where you on the HC before this test? Did you take meds the day of the blood draw? Kate At 02:34 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote: >Ok, got my test results as of last Tuesday. Was on 3 grains and >20mg hc/day. > >FT4 - 1.76 (.61-1.76) >FT3 - 6.0 (2.3-4.2) Too high, I know >Sodium - 137 (135-148) >Potassium - 4.0 (3.5-5.5) >Ferritin - 76 (22-322) > >The good news is that even though my test results say I'm very >hyper, I don't have adrenal symptoms anymore due to the hc. What >I'm going to do is REALLY back down on the armour, maybe end up at 2 >grains, but add in synthetic T4. Any opinions? > > > > > > > I've been trying to get my armour dosage up in order to get my >body > > temperature up. Currently when I wake up, I'm in the mid 97's. >It's > > like that most of the day, except before I go to sleep it's in the >low > > 98's. > > > > Anyway, I'm up to 3 grains now along with 25mg hc. The hc has >helped > > out tremendously with tolerating the armour, but I'm wondering if >my > > dose it too high? I feel VERY HYPO! So much so that I have a >real > > hard time waking up in the morning. My workouts are also AWEFUL, >no > > endurance whatsoever. Muscle protein synthesis is alo limited as >I'm > > constantly sore from working out! > > > > On to my question...Should I leave my hc dose at 25mg and up my >armour > > again(I just upped it to 3 grains a few days ago)? OR should I >lower > > my hc dose? I can't help but wonder if the hc dose is too high, > > limiting my protein synthesis. The thing is, the higher I'm going > > with both the HC and armour, the more tired and run down I feel. > > > > Any help is appreciated!! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 I had been on HC for about 2.5 months when the test was taken. I hadn't taken any armour for about 12 hours. > > > > > > I've been trying to get my armour dosage up in order to get my > >body > > > temperature up. Currently when I wake up, I'm in the mid 97's. > >It's > > > like that most of the day, except before I go to sleep it's in the > >low > > > 98's. > > > > > > Anyway, I'm up to 3 grains now along with 25mg hc. The hc has > >helped > > > out tremendously with tolerating the armour, but I'm wondering if > >my > > > dose it too high? I feel VERY HYPO! So much so that I have a > >real > > > hard time waking up in the morning. My workouts are also AWEFUL, > >no > > > endurance whatsoever. Muscle protein synthesis is alo limited as > >I'm > > > constantly sore from working out! > > > > > > On to my question...Should I leave my hc dose at 25mg and up my > >armour > > > again(I just upped it to 3 grains a few days ago)? OR should I > >lower > > > my hc dose? I can't help but wonder if the hc dose is too high, > > > limiting my protein synthesis. The thing is, the higher I'm going > > > with both the HC and armour, the more tired and run down I feel. > > > > > > Any help is appreciated!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Andy- If you have to ask questions about self-medication on this board or any other, then I can state categorically that you are not informed enough to adjust your own doses. If Dr. Noble is no longer available to help you, then I suggest you see one of the other docs who are willing to work with adrenals. With adrenals, even more than thyroid, you can screw yourself up but good. I would suggest that you taper your HC back to whatever dose the doc prescribed for you. Do not drop it suddenly, but take about a week to taper off. In the DFW area, we have Owens, Gonino, and Mahoney. I think also Sullivan. if you are willing to travel, there is in Lubbock. andy_cruikshank wrote: Ok, got my test results as of last Tuesday. Was on 3 grains and 20mg hc/day.FT4 - 1.76 (.61-1.76)FT3 - 6.0 (2.3-4.2) Too high, I knowSodium - 137 (135-148)Potassium - 4.0 (3.5-5.5)Ferritin - 76 (22-322)The good news is that even though my test results say I'm very hyper, I don't have adrenal symptoms anymore due to the hc. What I'm going to do is REALLY back down on the armour, maybe end up at 2 grains, but add in synthetic T4. Any opinions?>> I've been trying to get my armour dosage up in order to get my body > temperature up. Currently when I wake up, I'm in the mid 97's. It's > like that most of the day, except before I go to sleep it's in the low > 98's. > > Anyway, I'm up to 3 grains now along with 25mg hc. The hc has helped > out tremendously with tolerating the armour, but I'm wondering if my > dose it too high? I feel VERY HYPO! So much so that I have a real > hard time waking up in the morning. My workouts are also AWEFUL, no > endurance whatsoever. Muscle protein synthesis is alo limited as I'm > constantly sore from working out!> > On to my question...Should I leave my hc dose at 25mg and up my armour > again(I just upped it to 3 grains a few days ago)? OR should I lower > my hc dose? I can't help but wonder if the hc dose is too high, > limiting my protein synthesis. The thing is, the higher I'm going > with both the HC and armour, the more tired and run down I feel.> > Any help is appreciated!!> Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help slow climate change. Yahoo! Earth Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Jan, I do very much appreciate your advice. The problem is my experience with doctors has left me with little trust for them and their treatment with ANYTHING hormone related. So far it has been a waste of my time and money. What I do to compensate is research and read by trusted authors on the subject, and gain information off of these message boards. My insurance will be changing as of May 1, and I will then seek the help of one of the Doctors you noted. > > > > I've been trying to get my armour dosage up in order to get my > body > > temperature up. Currently when I wake up, I'm in the mid 97's. > It's > > like that most of the day, except before I go to sleep it's in the > low > > 98's. > > > > Anyway, I'm up to 3 grains now along with 25mg hc. The hc has > helped > > out tremendously with tolerating the armour, but I'm wondering if > my > > dose it too high? I feel VERY HYPO! So much so that I have a > real > > hard time waking up in the morning. My workouts are also AWEFUL, > no > > endurance whatsoever. Muscle protein synthesis is alo limited as > I'm > > constantly sore from working out! > > > > On to my question...Should I leave my hc dose at 25mg and up my > armour > > again(I just upped it to 3 grains a few days ago)? OR should I > lower > > my hc dose? I can't help but wonder if the hc dose is too high, > > limiting my protein synthesis. The thing is, the higher I'm going > > with both the HC and armour, the more tired and run down I feel. > > > > Any help is appreciated!! > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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