The Other Gandhi..Cant..Speak the truth...

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Hello everybody,

On the sad reminder..of 60yrs..of passing of the

Mahatma..coupled..by..the..immersion..of his ashes..which..was..shown..on

NDTV..carried...in an urn..by our Shri.Dhirubhai Mehta...,I..couldn't...help but

notice...that..across the globe..the grandson..of the Late

Mahatma..ArunGandhi..had to step,..down..from his post..of the President..of the

Gandhi Peace..Foundation..In NY...over truthful..comments..made by

him..about. " .Israelis..stand..in present..World Conflict scenario...vis..a

vis..due to it's Jewish troubled past... "

Arun stated..that just because..they was an holocaust...which was a Sad Chapter

of History..,the Israelis..can't go on...heaping same cruelty on their

neighbours..

For such...a correct statement..The Americans..labelled Mr.Arun..a Bigot...AND

SO,Arunji..voluntarily decided to step down...

Arunji..must be sadly thinking.. " .TRUTH..has no place..in today's society.. "

Reading more..about him..as mentioned..by..another American friend of his.,.for

many years. said.in an editorial... " .Arun..and his Late Nurse

Wife,Sunanda..were..very soft spoken,truthful..and righteous persons..and

since..last 2 decades...he had..never seen..Arun..ever get angry..even once.. "

How..do we.,.then,dear friends..and respected teachers,..out

here..,..follow..Mahatma's.. " Be Truthful. " .Principle today??.

Some comments..please...

Bye.

Shyam(84)

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Edmund Burke said " magnanimity in politics is not eldom the truest wisdom; and

a great empire and little minds go ill together " this is the present state of

mind of the American politicians. Thruth is is a sort of bitter pill whisch

American press/ politician cannot gulp.Mr Arun Gandhi's stepping down is true

Gandhian move since it gives a character of " non-attachment " . Not he rather the

Gandhi peace Foundation was honouerd by making him President. My best wishes to

him and all such individual who are trying ti fight out the ills of society

single handed. Sensitive minds will always support and follow.follow

To: mgims@...: shyamkamath@...: Thu, 31 Jan 2008

18:35:20 +0300Subject: The Other Gandhi..Cant..Speak the truth...

Hello everybody,On the sad reminder..of 60yrs..of passing of the

Mahatma..coupled..by..the..immersion..of his ashes..which..was..shown..on

NDTV..carried...in an urn..by our Shri.Dhirubhai Mehta...,I..couldn't...help but

notice...that..across the globe..the grandson..of the Late

Mahatma..ArunGandhi..had to step,..down..from his post..of the President..of the

Gandhi Peace..Foundation..In NY...over truthful..comments..made by

him..about. " .Israelis..stand..in present..World Conflict scenario...vis..a

vis..due to it's Jewish troubled past... " Arun stated..that just because..they

was an holocaust...which was a Sad Chapter of History..,the Israelis..can't go

on...heaping same cruelty on their neighbours..For such...a correct

statement..The Americans..labelled Mr.Arun..a Bigot...AND SO,Arunji..voluntarily

decided to step down...Arunji..must be sadly thinking.. " .TRUTH..has no place..in

today's society.. " Reading more..about him..as mentioned..by..another American

friend of his.,.for many years. said.in an editorial... " .Arun..and his Late

Nurse Wife,Sunanda..were..very soft spoken,truthful..and righteous persons..and

since..last 2 decades...he had..never seen..Arun..ever get angry..even

once.. " How..do we.,.then,dear friends..and respected teachers,..out

here..,..follow..Mahatma's.. " Be Truthful. " .Principle today??.Some

comments..please...Bye.Shyam(84)[Non-text portions of this message have been

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Dear Shyam,

I don't think the Mahatma ever saw himself as a saint. He was a crusader for a

cause that he believed in. His methods were strange, new and incomprehensible to

many - which is probably why he was (and is) both revered and reviled.

As for the statement on the Jews, I am not sure whether I agree with Arun

Gandhi. Having stayed in Riyadh, I found that the Arab hatred for Jews is to be

seen to be believed. Calling anyone a Jew is the worst insult possible. They

even black out Isreal from maps- you would know all this, Shyam. Surrounded by

Arab countries, Isreal is bound to be insecure - and as a consequence,

aggressive.

The holocaust was not hyped. We still have survivors of the holocaust around,

and it is belittling them to pass it off as hype. Last March, I had visited a

concentration camp that had been preserved - in Munich. I was ready to throw up

by the time I came out - my faith in humanity was severely eroded. After that, I

realised that the human race needs constant reminders of the holocaust, if only

to keep us wary of our own tendencies to cruelty.

Arun Gandhi's decision to step down was his own personal decision. I would

respect him for that, even if I do not agree with his views.

Prabha'84

shyamkamath wrote:

Hello everybody,

On the sad reminder..of 60yrs..of passing of the

Mahatma..coupled..by..the..immersion..of his ashes..which..was..shown..on

NDTV..carried...in an urn..by our Shri.Dhirubhai Mehta...,I..couldn't...help but

notice...that..across the globe..the grandson..of the Late

Mahatma..ArunGandhi..had to step,..down..from his post..of the President..of the

Gandhi Peace..Foundation..In NY...over truthful..comments..made by

him..about. " .Israelis..stand..in present..World Conflict scenario...vis..a

vis..due to it's Jewish troubled past... "

Arun stated..that just because..they was an holocaust...which was a Sad Chapter

of History..,the Israelis..can't go on...heaping same cruelty on their

neighbours..

For such...a correct statement..The Americans..labelled Mr.Arun..a Bigot...AND

SO,Arunji..voluntarily decided to step down...

Arunji..must be sadly thinking.. " .TRUTH..has no place..in today's society.. "

Reading more..about him..as mentioned..by..another American friend of his.,.for

many years. said.in an editorial... " .Arun..and his Late Nurse

Wife,Sunanda..were..very soft spoken,truthful..and righteous persons..and

since..last 2 decades...he had..never seen..Arun..ever get angry..even once.. "

How..do we.,.then,dear friends..and respected teachers,..out

here..,..follow..Mahatma's.. " Be Truthful. " .Principle today??.

Some comments..please...

Bye.

Shyam(84)

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Well again this is a very contentious topic-and I am not sure given the past

events on this group,its the right place to discuss this.

There are lots of justifications on either side for what is going on in the

Middle East today.It is a fact that until the Holocaust Arabs and Jews lived

together in relative peace in the Middle East.

The Holocaust was a European doing -in fact supported by the US and the UK who

not only knew what was happening but also prevented Jewish migration to them

allowing refugees to escape.Whether that is enough to justify what is happening

in Palestine today I dont know.Over the last few yrs I have been an avid reader

of history and the world situation and I read a fantastic book by Glain

recently-he has been a Wall street Journal correspondent for the Middle East for

many yrs and he used his contacts to give us an insight into the Economy of the

Arab world-what we see from the outside as petrodollar economy is confined to a

very few countries-most of the Arab world-Syria Jordan Egypt Lebanon do not even

have a basic banking system and an economy to speak of-under corrupt rulers

propped up by the West-the common man is so poor and future so futile-and

Palestine among the corruption and blockades is a doomed place!!

So if you make life so terrible that its not worth living and you have nothing

to lose anymore-terrorism seems a very appealing route to take with all its

promises of Glory etc...No one can forget and should not forget the

Holocaust...but also until the US and the World look at the Middle East in a new

light we would not see the end of the troubles!!

82

To: mgims@...: prabhadesikan@...: Fri, 1 Feb 2008

00:12:44 -0800Subject: Re: The Other Gandhi..Cant..Speak the truth...

Dear Shyam,I don't think the Mahatma ever saw himself as a saint. He was a

crusader for a cause that he believed in. His methods were strange, new and

incomprehensible to many - which is probably why he was (and is) both revered

and reviled.As for the statement on the Jews, I am not sure whether I agree with

Arun Gandhi. Having stayed in Riyadh, I found that the Arab hatred for Jews is

to be seen to be believed. Calling anyone a Jew is the worst insult possible.

They even black out Isreal from maps- you would know all this, Shyam. Surrounded

by Arab countries, Isreal is bound to be insecure - and as a consequence,

aggressive. The holocaust was not hyped. We still have survivors of the

holocaust around, and it is belittling them to pass it off as hype. Last March,

I had visited a concentration camp that had been preserved - in Munich. I was

ready to throw up by the time I came out - my faith in humanity was severely

eroded. After that, I realised that the human race needs constant reminders of

the holocaust, if only to keep us wary of our own tendencies to cruelty. Arun

Gandhi's decision to step down was his own personal decision. I would respect

him for that, even if I do not agree with his views. Prabha'84shyamkamath

wrote:Hello everybody,On the sad reminder..of

60yrs..of passing of the Mahatma..coupled..by..the..immersion..of his

ashes..which..was..shown..on NDTV..carried...in an urn..by our Shri.Dhirubhai

Mehta...,I..couldn't...help but notice...that..across the globe..the

grandson..of the Late Mahatma..ArunGandhi..had to step,..down..from his post..of

the President..of the Gandhi Peace..Foundation..In NY...over

truthful..comments..made by him..about. " .Israelis..stand..in present..World

Conflict scenario...vis..a vis..due to it's Jewish troubled past... " Arun

stated..that just because..they was an holocaust...which was a Sad Chapter of

History..,the Israelis..can't go on...heaping same cruelty on their

neighbours..For such...a correct statement..The Americans..labelled Mr.Arun..a

Bigot...AND SO,Arunji..voluntarily decided to step down...Arunji..must be sadly

thinking.. " .TRUTH..has no place..in today's society.. " Reading more..about

him..as mentioned..by..another American friend of his.,.for many years. said.in

an editorial... " .Arun..and his Late Nurse Wife,Sunanda..were..very soft

spoken,truthful..and righteous persons..and since..last 2 decades...he

had..never seen..Arun..ever get angry..even once.. " How..do we.,.then,dear

friends..and respected teachers,..out here..,..follow..Mahatma's.. " Be

Truthful. " .Principle today??.Some comments..please...Bye.Shyam(84)[Non-text

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OP gupta sir,

it is surprising how truth hurts even small little individuals like me in a

small stage too. Try telling a patient that gas is all but gas you do not have

to take pantoprazole for gas, or you do not need to treat high uric acid

unnecessarily, or even that you must take fruits for treating DM, see the

laughter it evokes, the loathing it creats in 'professional doctors' faces,

you,d know why truth is so difficult. how can I try non attachement!

regards

dr ashok sinha

op gupta wrote:

Edmund Burke said " magnanimity in politics is not eldom the truest wisdom; and a

great empire and little minds go ill together " this is the present state of mind

of the American politicians. Thruth is is a sort of bitter pill whisch American

press/ politician cannot gulp.Mr Arun Gandhi's stepping down is true Gandhian

move since it gives a character of " non-attachment " . Not he rather the Gandhi

peace Foundation was honouerd by making him President. My best wishes to him and

all such individual who are trying ti fight out the ills of society single

handed. Sensitive minds will always support and follow.follow

To: mgims@...: shyamkamath@...: Thu, 31 Jan 2008

18:35:20 +0300Subject: The Other Gandhi..Cant..Speak the truth...

Hello everybody,On the sad reminder..of 60yrs..of passing of the

Mahatma..coupled..by..the..immersion..of his ashes..which..was..shown..on

NDTV..carried...in an urn..by our Shri.Dhirubhai Mehta...,I..couldn't...help but

notice...that..across the globe..the grandson..of the Late

Mahatma..ArunGandhi..had to step,..down..from his post..of the President..of the

Gandhi Peace..Foundation..In NY...over truthful..comments..made by

him..about. " .Israelis..stand..in present..World Conflict scenario...vis..a

vis..due to it's Jewish troubled past... " Arun stated..that just because..they

was an holocaust...which was a Sad Chapter of History..,the Israelis..can't go

on...heaping same cruelty on their neighbours..For such...a correct

statement..The Americans..labelled Mr.Arun..a Bigot...AND SO,Arunji..voluntarily

decided to step down...Arunji..must be sadly thinking.. " .TRUTH..has no place..in

today's society.. " Reading more..about him..as mentioned..by..another American

friend of his.,.for

many years. said.in an editorial... " .Arun..and his Late Nurse

Wife,Sunanda..were..very soft spoken,truthful..and righteous persons..and

since..last 2 decades...he had..never seen..Arun..ever get angry..even

once.. " How..do we.,.then,dear friends..and respected teachers,..out

here..,..follow..Mahatma's.. " Be Truthful. " .Principle today??.Some

comments..please...Bye.Shyam(84)[Non-text portions of this message have been

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Prabh,

You are so right about the Mahatma... That's why he called his crusade as " My

experiments with truth " because he knew how difficult it is in this day and age

to lead an honest and truthful life....We tend to lie about little things

everyday...but then its so hard not to do that. I find myself telling Aaditya

that we are going to Disney (when I know that we are not) just to pacify him...

its so easy to lie.The path of truth is indeed very difficult!

Then how do you maintain your integrity? Everybody has to find their own

answer to this question. What seems to be a little white lie may be dishonesty

to the other. One should have their own benchmark about far they want to go on

this issue and carve out their own path, so that they can sleep peacefully every

night with a clear conscience.

Renuka'84

Prabha Desikan wrote:

Dear Shyam,

I don't think the Mahatma ever saw himself as a saint. He was a crusader for a

cause that he believed in. His methods were strange, new and incomprehensible to

many - which is probably why he was (and is) both revered and reviled.

As for the statement on the Jews, I am not sure whether I agree with Arun

Gandhi. Having stayed in Riyadh, I found that the Arab hatred for Jews is to be

seen to be believed. Calling anyone a Jew is the worst insult possible. They

even black out Isreal from maps- you would know all this, Shyam. Surrounded by

Arab countries, Isreal is bound to be insecure - and as a consequence,

aggressive.

The holocaust was not hyped. We still have survivors of the holocaust around,

and it is belittling them to pass it off as hype. Last March, I had visited a

concentration camp that had been preserved - in Munich. I was ready to throw up

by the time I came out - my faith in humanity was severely eroded. After that, I

realised that the human race needs constant reminders of the holocaust, if only

to keep us wary of our own tendencies to cruelty.

Arun Gandhi's decision to step down was his own personal decision. I would

respect him for that, even if I do not agree with his views.

Prabha'84

shyamkamath wrote:

Hello everybody,

On the sad reminder..of 60yrs..of passing of the

Mahatma..coupled..by..the..immersion..of his ashes..which..was..shown..on

NDTV..carried...in an urn..by our Shri.Dhirubhai Mehta...,I..couldn't...help but

notice...that..across the globe..the grandson..of the Late

Mahatma..ArunGandhi..had to step,..down..from his post..of the President..of the

Gandhi Peace..Foundation..In NY...over truthful..comments..made by

him..about. " .Israelis..stand..in present..World Conflict scenario...vis..a

vis..due to it's Jewish troubled past... "

Arun stated..that just because..they was an holocaust...which was a Sad Chapter

of History..,the Israelis..can't go on...heaping same cruelty on their

neighbours..

For such...a correct statement..The Americans..labelled Mr.Arun..a Bigot...AND

SO,Arunji..voluntarily decided to step down...

Arunji..must be sadly thinking.. " .TRUTH..has no place..in today's society.. "

Reading more..about him..as mentioned..by..another American friend of his.,.for

many years. said.in an editorial... " .Arun..and his Late Nurse

Wife,Sunanda..were..very soft spoken,truthful..and righteous persons..and

since..last 2 decades...he had..never seen..Arun..ever get angry..even once.. "

How..do we.,.then,dear friends..and respected teachers,..out

here..,..follow..Mahatma's.. " Be Truthful. " .Principle today??.

Some comments..please...

Bye.

Shyam(84)