Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Thank you all for your responses and cute stories. I am still confused though...What do I do about it? My daughter seems to be doing it differently than most of your little girls. See she can have a simple conversation with us. Such as " I want to go to the park " , why questions and such. Not a lot of deep thinking conversations of course. Her verbal scripting is not used in a conversation and it is not used to communicate. She does it to herself and herself only. Like she is talking to herself. She especially likes to do it while looking in the mirror. Since it did start just recently I am sure that it will go away if I can just figure out how to redirect her. Any help would be great. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 In a message dated 2/13/2008 9:25:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rjoyh2o@... writes: I am still confused though...What do I do about it? Hi Why do you feel that you need to do anything about the verbal stimming or scripting? Is it disruptive? I didn't chime in earlier, not enough time, but my 15 year old does this as do about three quarters of people on the spectrum I know. In my daughter's case, sometimes it calms her and helps her feel secure and other times she is using it in her own way to communicate something or to practice with language and explore words more. I think all that is a good thing. If your daughter's scripting is disruptive, maybe you can begin to teach her that there are certain times she can do it and others she can't? Just a thought. Take care, Melinda **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Melinda, That is a good question...I don't know why it bothers me so much. I guess because I see it as a symptom of the bigger problem and am worried that she might be getting worse. There...I said it. She just started doing it. She is not doing it to communicate, as far as I can tell. She is just saying the same script(s) over and over again to herself. I am not just telling her to stop, I am working on telling her when and where she can do it. I am just worried it might draw her into her own world more. Rebekah --- EbuyerMTC@... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/13/2008 9:25:49 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > rjoyh2o@... writes: > > I am still confused though...What do I do about it? > > > > Hi > Why do you feel that you need to do anything > about the verbal stimming > or scripting? Is it disruptive? I didn't chime in > earlier, not enough time, > but my 15 year old does this as do about three > quarters of people on the > spectrum I know. In my daughter's case, sometimes it > calms her and helps her feel > secure and other times she is using it in her own > way to communicate > something or to practice with language and explore > words more. I think all that is a > good thing. If your daughter's scripting is > disruptive, maybe you can begin > to teach her that there are certain times she can > do it and others she can't? > Just a thought. > Take care, > Melinda > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red > carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Rebekah Phil 4:8 ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Rebekah, I understand your worry, especially since the repetitive scripting is an overt sign of her autism. However, Melinda is right. Scripting serves multiple functions for children on the spectrum. It provides them " set scripts " that they can say when they cannot find other words, it can provide predictability in a chaotic world, it can be a fun way of organizing language and playing with new phrases, etc. It does not represent the child withdrawing into their own world, it is just the child's way of utilizing language in a way that helps them feel competent. Relax with it and even use it to get your daughter to stretch her conversational skills. Expand on the conversation, completing more circles of communication, allowing her scripting to fill in the spaces that are hard for her. Any communication is a plus! She will lose the scripting as she becomes more competent in communicating. Bill > > > > > In a message dated 2/13/2008 9:25:49 P.M. Eastern > > Standard Time, > > rjoyh2o@... writes: > > > > I am still confused though...What do I do about it? > > > > > > > > Hi > > Why do you feel that you need to do anything > > about the verbal stimming > > or scripting? Is it disruptive? I didn't chime in > > earlier, not enough time, > > but my 15 year old does this as do about three > > quarters of people on the > > spectrum I know. In my daughter's case, sometimes it > > calms her and helps her feel > > secure and other times she is using it in her own > > way to communicate > > something or to practice with language and explore > > words more. I think all that is a > > good thing. If your daughter's scripting is > > disruptive, maybe you can begin > > to teach her that there are certain times she can > > do it and others she can't? > > Just a thought. > > Take care, > > Melinda > > > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red > > carpet at the Grammy > > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > Rebekah > Phil 4:8 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 I think that's great that you are able to see your fears. It is hard. On the one hand, if a kid starts doing something sort of OCD you don't wanna encourage it, while trying to encourage them to communicate. Sometimes scripting is a way to communicate, sometimes it's a comfort, other times it's a stuck position. It's hard to know which is which sometimes. Allie will do this over & over lately. We get the feeling it's because she's trying to be communicative but doesn't know what to say to initiate interaction. We try to direct her to other things to talk about. Like she'll say over & over, " What does Daddy say when he's mad at Windell? " (Windell is a cat.) If you do answer her, she laughs & goes into an entire dialog of scripting about the various cats. No problem, except we have FIVE!!! Then she'll start over. If I try to redirect her to help her understand more appropriate conversation, such as, " Allie, what do you like best about your cats? " then she either gets mad I didn't fall in line with the script or continues on. Maybe she doesn't know how to answer. Or maybe she can't get the scripts unstuck from her brain. At any rate, it's been our experience it, too, shall come to pass. For us, we usually will engage her in the script 2-3 times then tell her " all done talking about cats when we're mad. " or something like that. Doesn't really make it all better, but I think it helps us feel okay that we've interacted with her on her level but teaching her it just cannot go on & on forever. HTH, Debi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Bill and Melinda, Your explanation is very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to put it in a different light for me. Your right, the scripting is a very large sign of her autism, were before it was hard to see. (for other people) I guess that is why I over reacted. Thank you for showing the positive aspects of it. I have been working on not making a big deal about it. When she is doing it I try to engage her in a conversation about the subject, and than try to switch her to talking about something else. I will try not to stress about it and see it as her working on her conversational skills. Rebekah serena 7 --- Bill Nason wrote: > > Rebekah, > > I understand your worry, especially since the > repetitive scripting is an overt sign of her > autism. However, Melinda is right. Scripting > serves multiple functions for children on the > spectrum. It provides them " set scripts " that they > can say when they cannot find other > words, it can provide predictability in a chaotic > world, it can be a fun way of organizing > language and playing with new phrases, etc. It does > not represent the child withdrawing > into their own world, it is just the child's way of > utilizing language in a way that helps > them feel competent. Relax with it and even use it > to get your daughter to stretch her > conversational skills. Expand on the conversation, > completing more circles of > communication, allowing her scripting to fill in the > spaces that are hard for her. Any > communication is a plus! She will lose the > scripting as she becomes more competent in > communicating. > > Bill > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/13/2008 9:25:49 P.M. > Eastern > > > Standard Time, > > > rjoyh2o@... writes: > > > > > > I am still confused though...What do I do about > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > Why do you feel that you need to do anything > > > about the verbal stimming > > > or scripting? Is it disruptive? I didn't chime > in > > > earlier, not enough time, > > > but my 15 year old does this as do about three > > > quarters of people on the > > > spectrum I know. In my daughter's case, > sometimes it > > > calms her and helps her feel > > > secure and other times she is using it in her > own > > > way to communicate > > > something or to practice with language and > explore > > > words more. I think all that is a > > > good thing. If your daughter's scripting is > > > disruptive, maybe you can begin > > > to teach her that there are certain times she > can > > > do it and others she can't? > > > Just a thought. > > > Take care, > > > Melinda > > > > > > > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the > red > > > carpet at the Grammy > > > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > > > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Rebekah > > Phil 4:8 > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > Rebekah Phil 4:8 ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 You are so right. Become a part of the conversation, and add variations to it. Subtly redirect and expand on it. This way you reinforce her conversing, as well as allowing her to feel competent. This will gradually lessen as her language skills increases. It may return at times of stress or inability to come up with a verbal response of her own. My experience is to support all attempts to communicate and interact. The child is trying to regulate with her world. If we try too hard to suppress it, or devalue it, we run the risk of further isolating her. The child with autism is trying to reach out to a world that is very confusing to them. Any attempt on there part to initiate interaction with their world is a plus and should be reinforced. Take what works for them at the moment, engage with them, and then slowly lead them down a more comfortable path. We are often very quick to suppress behaviors that are not " normal " , but in doing so we are invalidating the child's attempts to understand their world. It is hard enough for the child to initiate interaction with our world as it is. We want to be " trusted guides " that support them, allowing them to initiate without fear, and gradually steering them in the right direction. Rebekah, I can tell by your post that you are not suppressing your daughter's interests, only concerned. However, in our drive sometimes to " cure " the autism, we can unintentionally suppress the child's natural motivation to explore their world. Bill > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/13/2008 9:25:49 P.M. > > Eastern > > > > Standard Time, > > > > rjoyh2o@ writes: > > > > > > > > I am still confused though...What do I do about > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > Why do you feel that you need to do anything > > > > about the verbal stimming > > > > or scripting? Is it disruptive? I didn't chime > > in > > > > earlier, not enough time, > > > > but my 15 year old does this as do about three > > > > quarters of people on the > > > > spectrum I know. In my daughter's case, > > sometimes it > > > > calms her and helps her feel > > > > secure and other times she is using it in her > > own > > > > way to communicate > > > > something or to practice with language and > > explore > > > > words more. I think all that is a > > > > good thing. If your daughter's scripting is > > > > disruptive, maybe you can begin > > > > to teach her that there are certain times she > > can > > > > do it and others she can't? > > > > Just a thought. > > > > Take care, > > > > Melinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the > > red > > > > carpet at the Grammy > > > > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > > > > > > > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rebekah > > > Phil 4:8 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rebekah > Phil 4:8 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 I have been reading a lot about the verbal scripting and I just wanted to comment. My daughter ( 9 yrs.old) has always been very into " movie talk " . We have taught her to reference the movie or tv show before she tells us. So it would go something like, " Do you know what was funny is Hannah Montana Best of Both Worlds Concert Movie? " then she will go on to tell what she thought was so funny. Even though she will say the same things several times a day I have found it to be helpful for her to do this especially with her peers.It is better than just saying, " Zach got mad at Cody for ..... " Now at least she says on The Suite Life of Zach and Cody blah blah blah. Anyway just my comment on the subject. Re: verbal scripting You are so right. Become a part of the conversation, and add variations to it. Subtly redirect and expand on it. This way you reinforce her conversing, as well as allowing her to feel competent. This will gradually lessen as her language skills increases. It may return at times of stress or inability to come up with a verbal response of her own. My experience is to support all attempts to communicate and interact. The child is trying to regulate with her world. If we try too hard to suppress it, or devalue it, we run the risk of further isolating her. The child with autism is trying to reach out to a world that is very confusing to them. Any attempt on there part to initiate interaction with their world is a plus and should be reinforced. Take what works for them at the moment, engage with them, and then slowly lead them down a more comfortable path. We are often very quick to suppress behaviors that are not " normal " , but in doing so we are invalidating the child's attempts to understand their world. It is hard enough for the child to initiate interaction with our world as it is. We want to be " trusted guides " that support them, allowing them to initiate without fear, and gradually steering them in the right direction. Rebekah, I can tell by your post that you are not suppressing your daughter's interests, only concerned. However, in our drive sometimes to " cure " the autism, we can unintentionally suppress the child's natural motivation to explore their world. Bill > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/13/2008 9:25:49 P.M. > > Eastern > > > > Standard Time, > > > > rjoyh2o@ writes: > > > > > > > > I am still confused though...What do I do about > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > Why do you feel that you need to do anything > > > > about the verbal stimming > > > > or scripting? Is it disruptive? I didn't chime > > in > > > > earlier, not enough time, > > > > but my 15 year old does this as do about three > > > > quarters of people on the > > > > spectrum I know. In my daughter's case, > > sometimes it > > > > calms her and helps her feel > > > > secure and other times she is using it in her > > own > > > > way to communicate > > > > something or to practice with language and > > explore > > > > words more. I think all that is a > > > > good thing. If your daughter's scripting is > > > > disruptive, maybe you can begin > > > > to teach her that there are certain times she > > can > > > > do it and others she can't? > > > > Just a thought. > > > > Take care, > > > > Melinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the > > red > > > > carpet at the Grammy > > > > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > > > > > > > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rebekah > > > Phil 4:8 > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rebekah > Phil 4:8 > > > __________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Thats very interesting . Do you know if she actually remembers to do that? Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/13/2008 9:25:49 P.M. > > > Eastern > > > > > Standard Time, > > > > > rjoyh2o@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > I am still confused though...What do I do about > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > Why do you feel that you need to do anything > > > > > about the verbal stimming > > > > > or scripting? Is it disruptive? I didn't chime > > > in > > > > > earlier, not enough time, > > > > > but my 15 year old does this as do about three > > > > > quarters of people on the > > > > > spectrum I know. In my daughter's case, > > > sometimes it > > > > > calms her and helps her feel > > > > > secure and other times she is using it in her > > > own > > > > > way to communicate > > > > > something or to practice with language and > > > explore > > > > > words more. I think all that is a > > > > > good thing. If your daughter's scripting is > > > > > disruptive, maybe you can begin > > > > > to teach her that there are certain times she > > > can > > > > > do it and others she can't? > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Melinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the > > > red > > > > > carpet at the Grammy > > > > > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rebekah > > > > Phil 4:8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rebekah > > Phil 4:8 > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Yes, she always seems to do it when I am around. I have also noticed she does it at Girl Scouts and at school. When her brother has friends over I have noticed her doing it with them too. It is nice because it is really one of the only times she initiates conversations with people. Usually she doesn't have anything else to say after that but hey it's a start! Re: verbal scripting Thats very interesting . Do you know if she actually remembers to do that? Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/13/2008 9:25:49 P.M. > > > Eastern > > > > > Standard Time, > > > > > rjoyh2o@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > I am still confused though...What do I do about > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > Why do you feel that you need to do anything > > > > > about the verbal stimming > > > > > or scripting? Is it disruptive? I didn't chime > > > in > > > > > earlier, not enough time, > > > > > but my 15 year old does this as do about three > > > > > quarters of people on the > > > > > spectrum I know. In my daughter's case, > > > sometimes it > > > > > calms her and helps her feel > > > > > secure and other times she is using it in her > > > own > > > > > way to communicate > > > > > something or to practice with language and > > > explore > > > > > words more. I think all that is a > > > > > good thing. If your daughter's scripting is > > > > > disruptive, maybe you can begin > > > > > to teach her that there are certain times she > > > can > > > > > do it and others she can't? > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Melinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the > > > red > > > > > carpet at the Grammy > > > > > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rebekah > > > > Phil 4:8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rebekah > > Phil 4:8 > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 , I like how you helped your daughter make sure meaning works well in the situation of talking about a tv show or video. We parents (and professionals, too) tend to have our radar set so high for our kids on the spectrum that we read meaning into a lot of what they do and say, even when they don't give us enough information. We wind up setting a pattern that gives them the experience that they don't have to make sure meaning works well, because OUR radar works great, and we keep meaning working well when they can't. And we need to be careful that we don't use our radar so well that our kids perspective is that everyone should compensate for them in that way, have radar, so to keep meaning going. We're working in little steps to give our child more and more responsibility for making sure meaning works well. (see Michigan Dept of Ed definition, below--it's a good one) http://www.michigan.gov/documents/English_Language_Arts_Standards_122067\ _7.pdf <http://www.michigan.gov/documents/English_Language_Arts_Standards_12206\ 7_7.pdf> Standard 7. Skills and Processes All students will demonstrate, analyze, and reflect upon the skills and processes used to communicate through listening, speaking, viewing, reading, and writing. Effective communication depends upon our ability to recognize, when attempts to construct and convey meaning, work well and when they have broken down. We must monitor, reflect, and adjust our communication processes for clarity, correctness, purpose, and audience. We need to learn multiple strategies for constructing and conveying meaning in written, spoken, and visual texts. Our literacy development depends upon on-going, personal, self-regulated assessment. > > I have been reading a lot about the verbal scripting and I just wanted to comment. My daughter ( 9 yrs.old) has always been very into " movie talk " . We have taught her to reference the movie or tv show before she tells us. So it would go something like, " Do you know what was funny is Hannah Montana Best of Both Worlds Concert Movie? " then she will go on to tell what she thought was so funny. Even though she will say the same things several times a day I have found it to be helpful for her to do this especially with her peers.It is better than just saying, " Zach got mad at Cody for ..... " Now at least she says on The Suite Life of Zach and Cody blah blah blah. Anyway just my comment on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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