Re: Chromosone 16

[Guest guest]

Shanna,

That study is really much ado about nothing. It might be significant

if everyone who has this chromosomal abnormality were autistic. In

fact there are huge numbers of people who do and they are not

autistic. Why? Because unlike disorders resulting purely from

chromosomal abnormalities, such as Tay-Sachs or Praeder-Willi, this

is likely just a predisposition which requires outside influences to

activate it. It's likely that this is just a normal variation that

has been around for a very long time, but now is being activated. So

the real question is, what is activating it? For this to be of any

value, it would have to be detected prenatally, and the trigger would

then have to be avoided possibly in utero and from birth, something

akin to avoiding foods containing phenylalanine if you have PKU.

> TODAY on the news and the other group I belong to, they said that

> scientific research is showing an anomoly on the 16th chromosone

> linking to Autism. Has anyone on here had their child tested and shown

> this? Are there others on here that are going to get their child

> tested?

>

> Shanna ('s mom)

>

>

[Guest guest]

shanna yes i to know of many with chromosonal things that caused od

their autism. because it is of chromosomal it is of with a known

causes, this is why I to disagree when some claim that vaccines cause

all autism as it clearly does not.

I to feel in time they will find more and more of this as they learn

more aobut the chormosomes and how they work .

Sondra

[Guest guest]

the one little girl I to use to be of suppport to in school was of

chromosomal defect and is of missing a leg on chromosome I to think 2

or 4? not sure of the number but is of rare and those who do have of

that defect also reflect autism and aggressions. it is of very sad

because research sould be to look at chromosome more than they do in

some areaa of autism. again not allwith autism are from chromosome

issues either.

there is of just to many unknowns and knowns but nothing fits all yet.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

I work in autism research and trust me - research into the genetics of

autism is HUGE. Autism research has seen a huge surge recently, but it

is very narrow in focus, that being causation and genetics. Everyone

is on the hunt to fund the cause of autism. So trust me, this is the

primary focus in the field. And you better believe ALL those

organizations that disagree with the vaccine-autism link are sure as

hell funding research into genetic markers.

>

> the one little girl I to use to be of suppport to in school was of

> chromosomal defect and is of missing a leg on chromosome I to think 2

> or 4? not sure of the number but is of rare and those who do have of

> that defect also reflect autism and aggressions. it is of very sad

> because research sould be to look at chromosome more than they do in

> some areaa of autism. again not allwith autism are from chromosome

> issues either.

>

> there is of just to many unknowns and knowns but nothing fits all

yet.

> Sondra

>

[Guest guest]

As far as vaccines - I try to keep an open mind and research both sides

of the story. However, when you look into the fact that the # of

vaccines have increased so dramatically in the last 20 years (10 shots

in 1983, 32 shots in 2007!), you really have to question the impact this

has on a developing body. Vaccines contain A LOT more than just a

sample of the disease; it is these extras and preservatives that are

questionable. A single dose of these substances may be " safe " but

30-some doses by age 2? As a parent, I dont think anyone would agree to

injecting potentially harmful sunstances directly inteo their child's

bloodstream over and over and over. That is where my concern lies.

The number of vaccinations has sky rocketed. There is something that

just doesn't feel right.

> >

> > the one little girl I to use to be of suppport to in school was of

> > chromosomal defect and is of missing a leg on chromosome I to think

2

> > or 4? not sure of the number but is of rare and those who do have of

> > that defect also reflect autism and aggressions. it is of very sad

> > because research sould be to look at chromosome more than they do in

> > some areaa of autism. again not allwith autism are from chromosome

> > issues either.

> >

> > there is of just to many unknowns and knowns but nothing fits all

> yet.

> > Sondra

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> As a parent, I dont think anyone would agree to

> injecting potentially harmful sunstances directly inteo their child's

> bloodstream over and over and over.

And it doesn't have to be over and over. If the child is vulnerable

enough, it may only take one. I often ask people this question...Why

do unused flu shots have to be disposed of as toxic waste, but it's

perfectly ok to directly inject them into babies? Not surprisingly,

they never have an answer for me.

>

[Guest guest]

I to agree that vaccines do play a part in autism too and for that I

to be of cautiously vaccinated of my grand baby. she has had few of

them. we do not plan to give her many of them and it is of so odd

when we take of her to the ER because she has not had of all her

vaccines she is of separated from the rest and placed away from the

other kids and the one time she was of there the doctor asked of us

if we wanted of the one vaccine for her and I to asked of questions

of it? such as when was the last time there was a documented case of

that disease and she shared not in 20 years and so i to asked then

why is of it so important to vaccinate of her for that one as a

priority ? she did not know of the answer so did not answer it

completely.

I to be to not disbelif that autism has of a cause by vaccines and

yes they are of vaccine injured children that injury I to feel caused

the autism for them. I to think too that is why you see so manhy

vairation or expressions of spectrum because of the variety of

causes.

I to also know for some odd reason premies are at higher risk

especailly those who lacked oxygen at birth.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

that is of a good script to use for questioning the flu vaccine.

that is of one for me I to refuse for me and the grand baby . they

share because of my multiple infections and immune issues that a flu

shot is of a high need for me and to refuse no matter because of the

knowing of that real facts behind of the flu shots. I to get of flus

but do just fine with my own body fighting of them.. if i to die from a

flu then it to me was of a thing that was not preventable anyways.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

I agree with that, Sondra about the vaccines. You know, you brought

up a very important point. About being OXYGEN deprived @ birth. MY

husband was. His mother was carrying the placenta into the ER and

then had him. She had said that he was blue. My husband has signs of

Aspergers/HFA. He is not as bad as when I first met him. He was 26

years when we met and he had so many quirks. I do believe that OXYGEN

deprivation plays a part too. That said, that is why I am seeking to

do the HBOT this year with .

Shanna ('s mom)

>

> I to agree that vaccines do play a part in autism too and for that

I

> to be of cautiously vaccinated of my grand baby. she has had few of

> them. we do not plan to give her many of them and it is of so odd

> when we take of her to the ER because she has not had of all her

> vaccines she is of separated from the rest and placed away from the

> other kids and the one time she was of there the doctor asked of us

> if we wanted of the one vaccine for her and I to asked of questions

> of it? such as when was the last time there was a documented case

of

> that disease and she shared not in 20 years and so i to asked then

> why is of it so important to vaccinate of her for that one as a

> priority ? she did not know of the answer so did not answer it

> completely.

>

> I to be to not disbelif that autism has of a cause by vaccines and

> yes they are of vaccine injured children that injury I to feel

caused

> the autism for them. I to think too that is why you see so manhy

> vairation or expressions of spectrum because of the variety of

> causes.

>

> I to also know for some odd reason premies are at higher risk

> especailly those who lacked oxygen at birth.

>

> Sondra

>

[Guest guest]

I think that's HUGE in autism. How many here had babies born who were

in fetal distress? I hear about so much. Allie was not, thankfully,

but a baby born in oxygen deprivation is probably going to go into

oxidative stress right off the bat, then they get the hep b shot at 24

hrs or less old, which further adds to the oxidative stress, then if

they get jaundiced in the next several days (vit K unnecessary) then

that further adds to it, then about the time their bodies begin to

heal, wham, their given how many different vaccines at 8 wks? And,

what if the baby is sensitive to foods mom is eating or allergic to

the formula they get, there's another whammo to the system. And if

they're preemie on top of it, then they get all those 8 wk shots

early... It's just insane, their little bodies never get a shot at it.

I wonder if every baby born in an oxygen deprived state got a few

rounds in HBOT what that would do to future cases of learning

disabilities, CP, autism, etc.

Debi

>

> I agree with that, Sondra about the vaccines. You know, you brought

> up a very important point. About being OXYGEN deprived @ birth. MY

> husband was. His mother was carrying the placenta into the ER and

> then had him. She had said that he was blue. My husband has signs of

> Aspergers/HFA. He is not as bad as when I first met him. He was 26

> years when we met and he had so many quirks. I do believe that OXYGEN

> deprivation plays a part too. That said, that is why I am seeking to

> do the HBOT this year with .

> Shanna ('s mom)

[Guest guest]

I like that!

> > As a parent, I dont think anyone would agree to

> > injecting potentially harmful sunstances directly inteo their

child's

> > bloodstream over and over and over.

>

>

> And it doesn't have to be over and over. If the child is

vulnerable

> enough, it may only take one. I often ask people this

question...Why

> do unused flu shots have to be disposed of as toxic waste, but

it's

> perfectly ok to directly inject them into babies? Not

surprisingly,

> they never have an answer for me.

>

>

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When the human body becomes sick - IT IS FOR A REASON. Interrupting

that prcess with antibiotics and other medications is not actually

helpful in the long run. We are much healthier, in the long run, to

get the illness and fight it off naturally than to get a vaccine.

Plus, women who have had illnesses and gained the antibodies by fighing

it off will pass those on to their children in utero and through their

breast milk. It all comes full circle. I firmly believe in letting

kids play in the dirt, not freaking out about germs, and allowing kids

to recover naturally from illnesses (e.g. limiting antibiotics!). This

is what produces a healthy child. I read that the natural antibodies

procuded from illnesses is MUCH better than, say, receiving the

chickenpox vaccine. Some vaccines have been linked to increases in

certain caincers later in life; whereas allowing your body to get sick

and recover naturally leaves you much much more protected for serious

diseases later in life. It all seems so logical, doesn;t it?

>

> that is of a good script to use for questioning the flu

vaccine.

> that is of one for me I to refuse for me and the grand baby . they

> share because of my multiple infections and immune issues that a flu

> shot is of a high need for me and to refuse no matter because of the

> knowing of that real facts behind of the flu shots. I to get of flus

> but do just fine with my own body fighting of them.. if i to die from

a

> flu then it to me was of a thing that was not preventable anyways.

> Sondra

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. This may lead to certain kids being more susceptible to

autism than others.

The lil guy I worked with is a twin and was a preemie. His mom

firmly believes it was the flu vaccine that did him in. And, OF

COURSE, doctors push the flu vaccine on preemies!!! COME ON

obviously their systems will be less developed than their peers. I

would argue that injecting a foreign substance into their blood

stream is more dangerous than allowing them to catch the flu!

> >

> > I to agree that vaccines do play a part in autism too and for

that

> I

> > to be of cautiously vaccinated of my grand baby. she has had few

of

> > them. we do not plan to give her many of them and it is of so odd

> > when we take of her to the ER because she has not had of all her

> > vaccines she is of separated from the rest and placed away from

the

> > other kids and the one time she was of there the doctor asked of

us

> > if we wanted of the one vaccine for her and I to asked of

questions

> > of it? such as when was the last time there was a documented case

> of

> > that disease and she shared not in 20 years and so i to asked

then

> > why is of it so important to vaccinate of her for that one as a

> > priority ? she did not know of the answer so did not answer it

> > completely.

> >

> > I to be to not disbelif that autism has of a cause by vaccines

and

> > yes they are of vaccine injured children that injury I to feel

> caused

> > the autism for them. I to think too that is why you see so manhy

> > vairation or expressions of spectrum because of the variety of

> > causes.

> >

> > I to also know for some odd reason premies are at higher risk

> > especailly those who lacked oxygen at birth.

> >

> > Sondra

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I LOVE IT!

> > > > As a parent, I dont think anyone would agree to

> > > > injecting potentially harmful sunstances directly inteo their

> > child's

> > > > bloodstream over and over and over.

> > >

> > >

> > > And it doesn't have to be over and over. If the child is

> > vulnerable

> > > enough, it may only take one. I often ask people this

> > question...Why

> > > do unused flu shots have to be disposed of as toxic waste, but

> > it's

> > > perfectly ok to directly inject them into babies? Not

> > surprisingly,

> > > they never have an answer for me.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

When Allie was first dxed, I thought anyone who thought vaccines had a

role were conspiracy theorists, despite Allie herself regressing at 9

mos from a hep B. Then I started reading in earnest all the research,

looking for an answer. What I found from the autism researchers were

things like:

thimerosal activates cytokines and microglia, and we know that those

with autism have overwhelming issues with both these things

mercury is a long-recognized promoter of learning disabilities, and

cognitive disabilities

those with autism show lots of oxidative stress, which is a sign of

immune assault

etc

when I read these and other issues, I went back to the " autism isn't

caused by vaccine " camp and looked for rebuttals to the specific

issues. What I found was, " that doesn't mean anything...that doesn't

prove vaccines cause autism...vaccines save lives... "

In other words, those who are investigating/suspect vaccines tend to

have specific, strong, scientific facts from which they are working.

The " autism isn't cause by vaccine " camp seemed to only have

emotionally-ridden, nonsensical responses that didn't even address the

scientific findings. That's when I began to think something was

terribly amiss regarding the " autism isn't caused by vaccine " camp.

That's when I began to listen more to research and less to emotion,

and why I have come to believe with certainty in my mind that vaccines

are not generally without harm, and vaccines are given in a seriously

dangerous way. With each new vaccine for rather harmless, though maybe

miserable sicknesses, I feel more and more confirmed in my concerns

with the current vaccine policy. I didn't say I don't think vaccines

should ever be given, but I what I strongly feel is that there needs

to be serious revamping of vaccine policy, starting with truly

informed consent, which isn't some stupid health dept worker pushing

propaganda that she doesn't even understand. Lol.

Debi

[Guest guest]

Debi you bring up a good and very logical question of why not HBOT

right after the birth of these babies if born in fetal distress, and

or oxygen deprieved, my missy was of born with severe distress and

was of not breating and was on complete life supports for the first

10 or so days of her life, then on day 10 she got of the hib? and

then shortly later developed siezure activity and this now upsets me

to know what I to know now and did not know back then. she also was

tested positive for Cmv at birth. she was born looking like a premie

and weighted of 5.8 pounds but was on time and not early. my babies

all weigthed from 7.3 to 8.13 1/2 except missy who was so sicky as a

baby. they shared my placenta had ripped and she was of actually

oxygen deprieved and lacked nutrients the last 3 weeks or so of that

pregnancy. She was of a fighter girl and survived and had much

medical things that were of much hard for me to keep up with fromm

birth on , she began showing signs of autism at 7 months of age but

was of not dx of it until she was around the 18-20 months of age from

Akron childrens hospital in Ohio.

they often commented on the large heads of my childrens. if buying of

turtle necks or many other sorts of pull over shirts I to often had

to buy a sizes to 2 sizes bigger to get them over their heads. I to

also had of a large head at age of one.

Sondra

In Autism_in_Girls , " Debi "

wrote:

>

> I think that's HUGE in autism. How many here had babies born who

were

> in fetal distress? I hear about so much. Allie was not, thankfully,

> but a baby born in oxygen deprivation is probably going to go into

> oxidative stress right off the bat, then they get the hep b shot at

24

> hrs or less old, which further adds to the oxidative stress, then if

> they get jaundiced in the next several days (vit K unnecessary) then

> that further adds to it, then about the time their bodies begin to

> heal, wham, their given how many different vaccines at 8 wks? And,

> what if the baby is sensitive to foods mom is eating or allergic to

> the formula they get, there's another whammo to the system. And if

> they're preemie on top of it, then they get all those 8 wk shots

> early... It's just insane, their little bodies never get a shot at

it.

>

> I wonder if every baby born in an oxygen deprived state got a few

> rounds in HBOT what that would do to future cases of learning

> disabilities, CP, autism, etc.

>

> Debi

>

>

> >

> > I agree with that, Sondra about the vaccines. You know, you

brought

> > up a very important point. About being OXYGEN deprived @ birth.

MY

> > husband was. His mother was carrying the placenta into the ER and

> > then had him. She had said that he was blue. My husband has signs

of

> > Aspergers/HFA. He is not as bad as when I first met him. He was

26

> > years when we met and he had so many quirks. I do believe that

OXYGEN

> > deprivation plays a part too. That said, that is why I am seeking

to

> > do the HBOT this year with .

> > Shanna ('s mom)

>

[Guest guest]

My girls, myself, and hubby all have large heads. I always joke about

all that brain inside of us.

I was told, don't know the truth, that in the horse industry if a colt

is born with it's cord around it's neck, the breeders automatically

put it in a HBOT. According to the people in which I spoke, they do

this to protect their investment. I just asked my uncle who is a big

dog in Purina & a walking horse breeder that he doesn't know of

anyone. Still, so sick to think a horse may be getting better

postpartum care than humans.

Debi

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