Re: OCD, General Anxiety Disorder, and Borderline Personality Disorder

December 3, 2011

This doesn't sound like OCD to me. It sounds like she is very angry and wants

to assert control however negatively.

OCD, General Anxiety Disorder, and Borderline

Personality Disorder

My daughter has successfully completed treatment for her OCD,and now she has

been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. She seems to have an

incredible self-destructive edge to her: for example, she is in a residential

treatment program and she is told if she runs she won't be able to come home for

Christmas, so she runs away every day; she is told that she is not to have

relationships there, so she announces that she and her roommate are going out

(she has a boyfriend at home); she is told she is pretty and could model, so she

cuts her face. It is bizarre, and obviously very unhealthy and dangerous.

I am wondering if this could actually be OCD? If so, it could be treated

effectively by experts in OCD and not Borderline Personality Disorder.

Have any of you seen something like this?

Thanks, as usual, for your help and support.

Judy

judyhawkinson@...

cell:

December 3, 2011

I dunno Judy. Don't know much about personality disorders, have read about them

but don't recall particulars right now (someone thought my oldest could have one

so I read up on a few years ago).

I suspect it's not OCD related. Glad she successfully completed the OCD

treatment, can you tell that part is better? ... On that thought, any of this

BPD begin after any med changes relating to that (if she's on any)??

Keep us updated, so sorry you have a new worry!

>

> My daughter has successfully completed treatment for her OCD,and now she has

been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. She seems to have an

incredible self-destructive edge to her: for example, she is in a residential

treatment program and she is told if she runs she won't be able to come home for

Christmas, so she runs away every day; she is told that she is not to have

relationships there, so she announces that she and her roommate are going out

(she has a boyfriend at home); she is told she is pretty and could model, so she

cuts her face. It is bizarre, and obviously very unhealthy and dangerous.

>

> I am wondering if this could actually be OCD? If so, it could be treated

effectively by experts in OCD and not Borderline Personality Disorder.

>

> Have any of you seen something like this?

>

> Thanks, as usual, for your help and support.

>

> Judy

> judyhawkinson@...

>

> cell:

>

December 3, 2011

My daughter has OCD, and she has the same symptoms of yours. If you tell her

one thing she doe the oppisite. I am unsure if it is her personality and her

strong will to do exactly the opposite of what people tell her. I try to

ignore her and say, Good that is your choice. That is what the therapist told

us is that she is acting out for attention. I am happy you have her in a

program, we want ours in a program like your daughters.

> >

> > My daughter has successfully completed treatment for her OCD,and now she has

been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. She seems to have an

incredible self-destructive edge to her: for example, she is in a residential

treatment program and she is told if she runs she won't be able to come home for

Christmas, so she runs away every day; she is told that she is not to have

relationships there, so she announces that she and her roommate are going out

(she has a boyfriend at home); she is told she is pretty and could model, so she

cuts her face. It is bizarre, and obviously very unhealthy and dangerous.

> >

> > I am wondering if this could actually be OCD? If so, it could be treated

effectively by experts in OCD and not Borderline Personality Disorder.

> >

> > Have any of you seen something like this?

> >

> > Thanks, as usual, for your help and support.

> >

> > Judy

> > judyhawkinson@

> >

> > cell:

> >

December 4, 2011

My son who is 7 has OCD, ( bad thoughts) and does these things as well. I do

the same thing as you and try to ignore it. Just yesterday we went out to eat

with the family and decided to go get ice cream after. We were in line to be

seated for ice cream and my son told me he didn't want ice cream. So we decided

to leave because we we're only there for the kids anyways. Then he started

crying because we were leaving. Cried the whole way home. I tried to explain to

him that if he doesn't mean it don't say it!!

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:18 PM, " laureenalvarez@... "

wrote:

> My daughter has OCD, and she has the same symptoms of yours. If you tell her

one thing she doe the oppisite. I am unsure if it is her personality and her

strong will to do exactly the opposite of what people tell her. I try to ignore

her and say, Good that is your choice. That is what the therapist told us is

that she is acting out for attention. I am happy you have her in a program, we

want ours in a program like your daughters.

>

> > >

> > > My daughter has successfully completed treatment for her OCD,and now she

has been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. She seems to have an

incredible self-destructive edge to her: for example, she is in a residential

treatment program and she is told if she runs she won't be able to come home for

Christmas, so she runs away every day; she is told that she is not to have

relationships there, so she announces that she and her roommate are going out

(she has a boyfriend at home); she is told she is pretty and could model, so she

cuts her face. It is bizarre, and obviously very unhealthy and dangerous.

> > >

> > > I am wondering if this could actually be OCD? If so, it could be treated

effectively by experts in OCD and not Borderline Personality Disorder.

> > >

> > > Have any of you seen something like this?

> > >

> > > Thanks, as usual, for your help and support.

> > >

> > > Judy

> > > judyhawkinson@

> > >

> > > cell:

> > >

December 4, 2011

My 7 year does that too...the opposite of what she started wanting.just like ur

ice cream situation. Is that a symptom of OCD? She did that at a very early age

Sent from my iPhone

> My son who is 7 has OCD, ( bad thoughts) and does these things as well. I do

the same thing as you and try to ignore it. Just yesterday we went out to eat

with the family and decided to go get ice cream after. We were in line to be

seated for ice cream and my son told me he didn't want ice cream. So we decided

to leave because we we're only there for the kids anyways. Then he started

crying because we were leaving. Cried the whole way home. I tried to explain to

him that if he doesn't mean it don't say it!!

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

> On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:18 PM, " laureenalvarez@... "

wrote:

>

> > My daughter has OCD, and she has the same symptoms of yours. If you tell her

one thing she doe the oppisite. I am unsure if it is her personality and her

strong will to do exactly the opposite of what people tell her. I try to ignore

her and say, Good that is your choice. That is what the therapist told us is

that she is acting out for attention. I am happy you have her in a program, we

want ours in a program like your daughters.

> >

> > > >

> > > > My daughter has successfully completed treatment for her OCD,and now she

has been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. She seems to have an

incredible self-destructive edge to her: for example, she is in a residential

treatment program and she is told if she runs she won't be able to come home for

Christmas, so she runs away every day; she is told that she is not to have

relationships there, so she announces that she and her roommate are going out

(she has a boyfriend at home); she is told she is pretty and could model, so she

cuts her face. It is bizarre, and obviously very unhealthy and dangerous.

> > > >

> > > > I am wondering if this could actually be OCD? If so, it could be treated

effectively by experts in OCD and not Borderline Personality Disorder.

> > > >

> > > > Have any of you seen something like this?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, as usual, for your help and support.

> > > >

> > > > Judy

> > > > judyhawkinson@

> > > >

> > > > cell:

> > > >

December 4, 2011

I'm not sure if it's because of the OCD or not. He can get very frustrated. It's

hard to discipline him because he has melt downs. Some days I can deal well with

him, and other days I lose my patients

Sent from my iPad

> My 7 year does that too...the opposite of what she started wanting.just like

ur ice cream situation. Is that a symptom of OCD? She did that at a very early

age

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> > My son who is 7 has OCD, ( bad thoughts) and does these things as well. I do

the same thing as you and try to ignore it. Just yesterday we went out to eat

with the family and decided to go get ice cream after. We were in line to be

seated for ice cream and my son told me he didn't want ice cream. So we decided

to leave because we we're only there for the kids anyways. Then he started

crying because we were leaving. Cried the whole way home. I tried to explain to

him that if he doesn't mean it don't say it!!

> >

> > Sent from my iPad

> >

> > On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:18 PM, " laureenalvarez@... "

wrote:

> >

> > > My daughter has OCD, and she has the same symptoms of yours. If you tell

her one thing she doe the oppisite. I am unsure if it is her personality and her

strong will to do exactly the opposite of what people tell her. I try to ignore

her and say, Good that is your choice. That is what the therapist told us is

that she is acting out for attention. I am happy you have her in a program, we

want ours in a program like your daughters.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My daughter has successfully completed treatment for her OCD,and now

she has been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. She seems to have

an incredible self-destructive edge to her: for example, she is in a residential

treatment program and she is told if she runs she won't be able to come home for

Christmas, so she runs away every day; she is told that she is not to have

relationships there, so she announces that she and her roommate are going out

(she has a boyfriend at home); she is told she is pretty and could model, so she

cuts her face. It is bizarre, and obviously very unhealthy and dangerous.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am wondering if this could actually be OCD? If so, it could be

treated effectively by experts in OCD and not Borderline Personality Disorder.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have any of you seen something like this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks, as usual, for your help and support.

> > > > >

> > > > > Judy

> > > > > judyhawkinson@

> > > > >

> > > > > cell:

> > > > >

December 4, 2011

I hear ya somedays I meltdown

Sent from my iPhone

> I'm not sure if it's because of the OCD or not. He can get very frustrated.

It's hard to discipline him because he has melt downs. Some days I can deal well

with him, and other days I lose my patients

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

> > My 7 year does that too...the opposite of what she started wanting.just like

ur ice cream situation. Is that a symptom of OCD? She did that at a very early

age

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone

> >

> > > My son who is 7 has OCD, ( bad thoughts) and does these things as well. I

do the same thing as you and try to ignore it. Just yesterday we went out to eat

with the family and decided to go get ice cream after. We were in line to be

seated for ice cream and my son told me he didn't want ice cream. So we decided

to leave because we we're only there for the kids anyways. Then he started

crying because we were leaving. Cried the whole way home. I tried to explain to

him that if he doesn't mean it don't say it!!

> > >

> > > Sent from my iPad

> > >

> > > On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:18 PM, " laureenalvarez@... "

wrote:

> > >

> > > > My daughter has OCD, and she has the same symptoms of yours. If you tell

her one thing she doe the oppisite. I am unsure if it is her personality and her

strong will to do exactly the opposite of what people tell her. I try to ignore

her and say, Good that is your choice. That is what the therapist told us is

that she is acting out for attention. I am happy you have her in a program, we

want ours in a program like your daughters.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My daughter has successfully completed treatment for her OCD,and now

she has been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. She seems to have

an incredible self-destructive edge to her: for example, she is in a residential

treatment program and she is told if she runs she won't be able to come home for

Christmas, so she runs away every day; she is told that she is not to have

relationships there, so she announces that she and her roommate are going out

(she has a boyfriend at home); she is told she is pretty and could model, so she

cuts her face. It is bizarre, and obviously very unhealthy and dangerous.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am wondering if this could actually be OCD? If so, it could be

treated effectively by experts in OCD and not Borderline Personality Disorder.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have any of you seen something like this?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks, as usual, for your help and support.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Judy

> > > > > > judyhawkinson@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > cell:

> > > > > >

December 4, 2011

I don't know if she is BPD. Many teens can be very emotionally

desregulated and even self destructive (drinking and driving,

unprotected sex, running from problems etc).

The treatment for severe emotional regulation disorders (BPD) is

Dialectical Behavior Therapy. The core of the treatment is to

learn to cope with living with distressing emotions

rather than engage in self harm as a way to cope.

In DBT the therapist would accept that she finds treatment so hard

that she runs away, but they would encourage her to fight

the feeling and come talk to the DBT therapist (available 24 hours a day) and

they will help her cope in other ways.

In the hands of truly qualified DBT therapist they will balance warmth and

acceptance with gentle encouragement to practice

better coping skills.

BPD is very difficult to treat. It is not completed in

6 weeks ..it takes years of working with a team

and developing better life skills. Often at the

core of BPD is a trauma (sex abuse) or reacting to stresses

as a trauma.

Pam