RE: Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

[Guest guest]

You're right... where, oh where is the new farmer to 'fill the gap'! I

wish it could be me! There is no doubt that this farmer is raising

prices because there's no competition, however, if NJ stops denying our

right to have real milk, there will be soon!

Gordon S. wrote:

>

> the complaint, below, reveals how far-removed Americans are from

> operating in real free enterprise. The very simple solution would

> be for the farmer to raise the prices ... that quickly sorts out

> allocation ... those who value something the most, outbid the rest.

> If such demand is there, not being met, where's the entrepreneur to

> fill the gap?

>

> As the European central bank created half a trillion Euros out of thin

> air last month, and the dictator at the helm of the Federal Reserve

> does the same with the US moneysupply, it's bleeding obvious

> hyper-inflation is underway. The last to know about it will be the

> ones at ground-level = farmers

>

> The farmers you're talking about are no doubt good-hearted. But if

> their price for REAL MILK hasn't gone up, they're stealing from

> themselves.

>

> Starting with one cow in May 2007, we have six cows in milk for 120

> shareholders today. Our shareholders pay $15 per gallon / $16 in

> quart jars. That price will be going up in April by about $2 per

> gallon. Yes, that's the most expensive raw milk in N. America. The

> fact that we get it and an inquiry for a share every day, says it all.

>

> |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

>

> >

> > Hi All,

> > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to do a

> > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

> milk to

> > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and the

> > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is amazing

> > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original customers

> > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come, first

> > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not on

> > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll in

> > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be >

> abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait until

> > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> > Happy New Year!

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gordon,

How are you marketing your milk. I agree we way

underestimate the worth of what we have to offer. I

grew up on a farm and I think my dad underpriced his

produce based on what he would be willing to pay, and

not on what his customers would be willing to pay,

what the market would bear.

--- " Gordon S. " wrote:

>

> the complaint, below, reveals how far-removed

> Americans are from

> operating in real free enterprise. The very simple

> solution would be for

> the farmer to raise the prices ... that quickly

> sorts out allocation

> ... those who value something the most, outbid the

> rest. If such demand

> is there, not being met, where's the entrepreneur to

> fill the gap?

>

> As the European central bank created half a trillion

> Euros out of thin

> air last month, and the dictator at the helm of the

> Federal Reserve does

> the same with the US moneysupply, it's bleeding

> obvious hyper-inflation

> is underway. The last to know about it will be the

> ones at ground-level

> = farmers

>

> The farmers you're talking about are no doubt

> good-hearted. But if

> their price for REAL MILK hasn't gone up, they're

> stealing from

> themselves.

>

> Starting with one cow in May 2007, we have six cows

> in milk for 120

> shareholders today. Our shareholders pay $15 per

> gallon / $16 in quart

> jars. That price will be going up in April by about

> $2 per gallon.

> Yes, that's the most expensive raw milk in N.

> America. The fact that

> we get it and an inquiry for a share every day,

> says it all.

>

> |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

>

> >

> > Hi All,

> > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I

> suppose I just need to do

> a

> > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy

> farm, that I

> > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot

> produce enough milk

> to

> > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with

> jersey cows and the

> > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The

> butterfat content is

> amazing

> > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in

> the milk. So,

> > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of

> original customers

> > that the milk of the day goes to first and then

> it's first come, first

> > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs,

> since I'm not on

> > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I

> see others stroll in

> > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin

> starts to crawl;-)

> > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the

> list should be >

> abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers.

> What do you all

> > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to

> the other farm

> > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far

> away), and wait until

> > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> > Happy New Year!

> >

>

>

>

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I would call after 11 to have milk held, except that she won't do that.

She's done it for me in the past, but they had more milk then. Now only

those on the list are able to obtain it and any leftover gets sold,

first come, first serve. Also, they are running a store that sells

meat, eggs, ice cream, etc. I guess selling dairy is different

somehow. But, I know that when I go to my local toy shop looking for

the transformer toy my son has been asking for, and they tell me they're

sold out, at least I know I had a fair chance of getting it and there

was no list of people that came before me. I do understand wanting to

be faithful to faithful customers, but at some point, it just seems that

demand should change that.

labelleacres wrote:

>

> Seems the obvious thing to do is call her after 11am to see if she has

> extra that she can hold for you.

>

> I have regular egg customers. Some getting 5-10 dozen a week. Those

> orders are always filled first with the " sometime " folks later.

> There's no room for me to add more regulars as the hens are not laying

> all that much. So much like your farmer, I have a list in my head of

> folks who come first. It's called good business.

>

> Belinda

>

>

> >

> > I have been a customer for a little over a year now. I call ahead, but

> > she doesn't know how much extra milk they will have until after 11 am,

> > so by the time I get there, it's all gone. She has held milk for me in

> > the past, if she could, but did not do that for me yesterday. I saw the

> > farm owner yesterday and I thought about begging him, or bribing,

> him to

> > get on the list;-). Although, since demand has risen in recent months,

> > they have raised the milk price from $5/gal to $6.5/gal, which makes it

> > quite expensive. I'm still willing to pay, since I drive out for their

> > water also and with gas prices so high, it makes sense. I know farming

> > is hard work, which is why I support organic farming. My dream is to

> > move out to PA in the next two years and have a small personal farm

> with

> > a jersey cow. My husband laughs at me because every time I'm online,

> I'm

> > researching cows;-)

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Also, I do respect their right to run their business as they choose.

I'm just a frustrated consumer. Especially, now that oil is over $100 a

barrel, yuck.

Shelli wrote:

>

> I would call after 11 to have milk held, except that she won't do that.

> She's done it for me in the past, but they had more milk then. Now only

> those on the list are able to obtain it and any leftover gets sold,

> first come, first serve. Also, they are running a store that sells

> meat, eggs, ice cream, etc. I guess selling dairy is different

> somehow. But, I know that when I go to my local toy shop looking for

> the transformer toy my son has been asking for, and they tell me they're

> sold out, at least I know I had a fair chance of getting it and there

> was no list of people that came before me. I do understand wanting to

> be faithful to faithful customers, but at some point, it just seems that

> demand should change that.

>

> labelleacres wrote:

> >

> > Seems the obvious thing to do is call her after 11am to see if she has

> > extra that she can hold for you.

> >

> > I have regular egg customers. Some getting 5-10 dozen a week. Those

> > orders are always filled first with the " sometime " folks later.

> > There's no room for me to add more regulars as the hens are not laying

> > all that much. So much like your farmer, I have a list in my head of

> > folks who come first. It's called good business.

> >

> > Belinda

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I have been a customer for a little over a year now. I call ahead, but

> > > she doesn't know how much extra milk they will have until after 11 am,

> > > so by the time I get there, it's all gone. She has held milk for me in

> > > the past, if she could, but did not do that for me yesterday. I

> saw the

> > > farm owner yesterday and I thought about begging him, or bribing,

> > him to

> > > get on the list;-). Although, since demand has risen in recent months,

> > > they have raised the milk price from $5/gal to $6.5/gal, which

> makes it

> > > quite expensive. I'm still willing to pay, since I drive out for their

> > > water also and with gas prices so high, it makes sense. I know farming

> > > is hard work, which is why I support organic farming. My dream is to

> > > move out to PA in the next two years and have a small personal farm

> > with

> > > a jersey cow. My husband laughs at me because every time I'm online,

> > I'm

> > > researching cows;-)

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

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Agreed 100 % .Add to it

What would you charge to work 7 days a week

Be on call 24 hours

manure handling

bottle feeding babies 3-4 times a day

summer work hours are before sunrise to after sunset

work in sub zero temps

you get no hazzard pay ~ cows stepping on you or kicking HURTS

There is so much more that goes into making milk than just milking the cow or goat. herd health with shots and deworming , fecal and blood tests for disease and dealing with the state . You do not farm to get rich you farm because you love it

Patty

Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

Shelli and everyone not raising their own animals/food,I would imnagine that the price has gone up more for the these reasons,1) If those animals are grain fed the price of grain has gone up. My chicken feed went up 13% over the last 3 weeks2) just like your gas costs you more it costs the farmer more. That means more for hauling hay bails out to the cows, more to bail hay, etc.3)The cost of electric has also gone up which will also result in higher prices.4) Because it was so dry this year the price of hay has gone through the roof. I know people in PA that have paid $6.50 per 50# bail. That's as opposed to $3-$4 I doubt your farmer buys his hay but he may be buying some because it was so dry.I know your situation must be very frustrating but I don't think your farmer is trying to make a killing by jacking up the price $1.50 Just for the record $6.50 a gallon is not a bad price. I hope things get settled for you shortly and you have a steady supply of raw milk.Lucinda in PAAlthough, since demand has risen in recent months, > they have raised the milk price from $5/gal to $6.5/gal, which makes it > quite expensive. I'm still willing to pay, since I drive out for their > water also and with gas prices so high, it makes sense. > >

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That’s why we get active with the local farm agencys and fight every step of the way !

Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

Right! That's why we all need to win the lottery, so we can keepfarming 'till it's gone. <G>Belinda>You do not farm to get rich you farm because you love it > > > Patty

[Guest guest]

That’s why we get active with the local farm agencys and fight every step of the way !

Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

Right! That's why we all need to win the lottery, so we can keepfarming 'till it's gone. <G>Belinda>You do not farm to get rich you farm because you love it > > > Patty

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This started out about loyalty but has moved into the realm of freedom as I

wrote. " You " can refer to anyone who thinks that it does.

I know that it is an unusual trait in this day and age where a man can dump

two different wives and still run for president claiming that we can trust

him but some people still have what is called loyalty. In our construction

business we try to serve our regular, loyal customers first. These are the

people that call us first when they have work and keep us going year round.

When times are busy in the summer it doesn't matter that some hotshot wants

a house built for ANY amount of money if our regular customers will be

shorted. We service them and they keep us working during the not so busy

times. If we can do both we do, but otherwise we choose the regular

customer, even at less profit. Is it stupid? Some may think so but our

employees work year round, unlike a lot of the construction workers. Even

when we aren't making our usual profit, they are taking home the money they

need to support their families without welfare etc.

Since when should " demand " change what a business feels is the ethical thing

to do, in this case, to be faithful to faithful customers ? Does a doctor or

farrier drop his regulars in favor of new people? Probably not unless the

old customer was a problem. We find out who the pain in the butt people

are and don't work for them. Those who whine, are never satisfied , don't

pay on a timely basis and want an ever cheaper price are dropped. Usually

the fussiest, cheapest people live the nicest lifestyles. We don't feel a

need to satisfy their tantrums. If you have a good product/service there

are always plenty of people willing to pay a fair price.

I can just hear the noise if you were one of the regulars being dropped.

Spend your energy on lobbying your government reps so that more raw milk is

available rather than wasting energy lamenting that these farmers have

ethics. That's why their milk is so good-they care. You dare not go to the

kind of farmer that doesn't care and is after the quick buck. Do you want to

call in the government to make sure that it is " fair " ? That is what happens

you know. That is one reason every business in NY is super regulated to the

point where they don't stay here. A wonderful retiring surgeon told us that

none of the graduating class intend to stay in NY due to the regulations and

he foresees a severe shortage of doctors. I don't mean to be harsh but you

need to examine the principles you are living by. Sometimes we need to step

back and see if the actual way we are living/perceiving corresponds to how

we would like to think we view things. If you are for Ron you better

believe that he would tell the dairy to do whatever they want. Not just raw

milk but to have lists of regulars or not have lists. It is their business,

their decision, their right. Just like it is your right to go to that dairy

or go to the supermarket. So quit your complaining if you are for Ron .

If you are for the other guys they are happy to step in and run someone

else's life. Just don't complain when it is your own. We tend to believe in

principles until they impact our own lives negatively. Be willing to

suffer/be uncomfortable for your beliefs or they don't mean much. Barbara

Hollands (preparing to be uncomfortable)

[Guest guest]

This started out about loyalty but has moved into the realm of freedom as I

wrote. " You " can refer to anyone who thinks that it does.

I know that it is an unusual trait in this day and age where a man can dump

two different wives and still run for president claiming that we can trust

him but some people still have what is called loyalty. In our construction

business we try to serve our regular, loyal customers first. These are the

people that call us first when they have work and keep us going year round.

When times are busy in the summer it doesn't matter that some hotshot wants

a house built for ANY amount of money if our regular customers will be

shorted. We service them and they keep us working during the not so busy

times. If we can do both we do, but otherwise we choose the regular

customer, even at less profit. Is it stupid? Some may think so but our

employees work year round, unlike a lot of the construction workers. Even

when we aren't making our usual profit, they are taking home the money they

need to support their families without welfare etc.

Since when should " demand " change what a business feels is the ethical thing

to do, in this case, to be faithful to faithful customers ? Does a doctor or

farrier drop his regulars in favor of new people? Probably not unless the

old customer was a problem. We find out who the pain in the butt people

are and don't work for them. Those who whine, are never satisfied , don't

pay on a timely basis and want an ever cheaper price are dropped. Usually

the fussiest, cheapest people live the nicest lifestyles. We don't feel a

need to satisfy their tantrums. If you have a good product/service there

are always plenty of people willing to pay a fair price.

I can just hear the noise if you were one of the regulars being dropped.

Spend your energy on lobbying your government reps so that more raw milk is

available rather than wasting energy lamenting that these farmers have

ethics. That's why their milk is so good-they care. You dare not go to the

kind of farmer that doesn't care and is after the quick buck. Do you want to

call in the government to make sure that it is " fair " ? That is what happens

you know. That is one reason every business in NY is super regulated to the

point where they don't stay here. A wonderful retiring surgeon told us that

none of the graduating class intend to stay in NY due to the regulations and

he foresees a severe shortage of doctors. I don't mean to be harsh but you

need to examine the principles you are living by. Sometimes we need to step

back and see if the actual way we are living/perceiving corresponds to how

we would like to think we view things. If you are for Ron you better

believe that he would tell the dairy to do whatever they want. Not just raw

milk but to have lists of regulars or not have lists. It is their business,

their decision, their right. Just like it is your right to go to that dairy

or go to the supermarket. So quit your complaining if you are for Ron .

If you are for the other guys they are happy to step in and run someone

else's life. Just don't complain when it is your own. We tend to believe in

principles until they impact our own lives negatively. Be willing to

suffer/be uncomfortable for your beliefs or they don't mean much. Barbara

Hollands (preparing to be uncomfortable)

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

I appreciate your passion here! I asked the group about this in hopes

of settling my frustrations and it worked. Thanks for all your

replies! Like I said before, I do respect the right to run a business

any way you choose, list or no list. For the record, I am not a

complainer, but I am human and some things bug me now and then. I also

am using my energy to do something to get raw milk legalized in my

state, by calling people that have signed the petition in our state to

make them aware of events on the subject, etc. Also, don't feel like

you're being 'harsh'. I can take it. If everyone would stop being so

sensitive, more things could get done. Keep it coming;-)

Barbara W. Hollands wrote:

>

> This started out about loyalty but has moved into the realm of freedom

> as I

> wrote. " You " can refer to anyone who thinks that it does.

>

> I know that it is an unusual trait in this day and age where a man can

> dump

> two different wives and still run for president claiming that we can

> trust

> him but some people still have what is called loyalty. In our

> construction

> business we try to serve our regular, loyal customers first. These are

> the

> people that call us first when they have work and keep us going year

> round.

> When times are busy in the summer it doesn't matter that some hotshot

> wants

> a house built for ANY amount of money if our regular customers will be

> shorted. We service them and they keep us working during the not so busy

> times. If we can do both we do, but otherwise we choose the regular

> customer, even at less profit. Is it stupid? Some may think so but our

> employees work year round, unlike a lot of the construction workers. Even

> when we aren't making our usual profit, they are taking home the money

> they

> need to support their families without welfare etc.

> Since when should " demand " change what a business feels is the ethical

> thing

> to do, in this case, to be faithful to faithful customers ? Does a

> doctor or

> farrier drop his regulars in favor of new people? Probably not unless the

> old customer was a problem. We find out who the pain in the butt people

> are and don't work for them. Those who whine, are never satisfied , don't

> pay on a timely basis and want an ever cheaper price are dropped. Usually

> the fussiest, cheapest people live the nicest lifestyles. We don't feel a

> need to satisfy their tantrums. If you have a good product/service there

> are always plenty of people willing to pay a fair price.

> I can just hear the noise if you were one of the regulars being dropped.

> Spend your energy on lobbying your government reps so that more raw

> milk is

> available rather than wasting energy lamenting that these farmers have

> ethics. That's why their milk is so good-they care. You dare not go to

> the

> kind of farmer that doesn't care and is after the quick buck. Do you

> want to

> call in the government to make sure that it is " fair " ? That is what

> happens

> you know. That is one reason every business in NY is super regulated

> to the

> point where they don't stay here. A wonderful retiring surgeon told us

> that

> none of the graduating class intend to stay in NY due to the

> regulations and

> he foresees a severe shortage of doctors. I don't mean to be harsh but

> you

> need to examine the principles you are living by. Sometimes we need to

> step

> back and see if the actual way we are living/perceiving corresponds to

> how

> we would like to think we view things. If you are for Ron you better

> believe that he would tell the dairy to do whatever they want. Not

> just raw

> milk but to have lists of regulars or not have lists. It is their

> business,

> their decision, their right. Just like it is your right to go to that

> dairy

> or go to the supermarket. So quit your complaining if you are for Ron

> .

> If you are for the other guys they are happy to step in and run someone

> else's life. Just don't complain when it is your own. We tend to

> believe in

> principles until they impact our own lives negatively. Be willing to

> suffer/be uncomfortable for your beliefs or they don't mean much. Barbara

> Hollands (preparing to be uncomfortable)

>

>

[Guest guest]

$15 a gallon?!!?!??!!! that's insane!!! I wouldn't be able to afford raw milk at that price either!terilee_mn wrote: Starting with one cow in May 2007, we have six cows in milk for 120shareholders today. Our shareholders pay $15 per gallon / $16 inquart jars. That price will be going up in April by about $2 pergallon. Yes, that's the most expensive raw milk in N. America.

Thefact that we get it and an inquiry for a share every day, says it all. Oh my gosh - I about fell off my chair and the first thing I thoughtwas are these cows producing liquid gold!I can certainly appreciate how hard you farmers work, but $17.00 agallon - that is downright outrageous.You must only cater to the upper class because being a single mom of3, consuming raw milk would not be an option for us at that price. Soon that note - THANK YOU Wayne and Janet for producing a wonderfulhealthy product that is affordable to give to my children!Teri

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My two cents on this:It's hard to find good, clean raw milk.  Those who really understand the value of fresh milk will go great lengths to get it.  And to stick with it.  This makes it hard for newcomers, as the average micro-dairy fills up fast, and then when it's full, it's full.  And you wouldn't want it to be any other way.  Expansion isn't the cure for lack of milk -- more micro farms in your community is!!!  You want to preserve quality above quantity.  Farmers need to grow at a pace that they feel completely comfortable with.But it stinks when you can't get your hands on raw milk, knowing they're RIGHT THERE.In our neck of the woods, there are two other goat dairies, both with half a dozen or less goats each.  They were full before they opened their doors, I'm certain.  We also hardly ever have an excess and have a significant waiting list.  We need more small dairymen & women!My guess is this farmer is incredibly passionate about raw milk, and farming in general!  I'm certain that she WANTS to be able to fill your need.  I DREAD saying "no" more than anything!  I know that it's not something easy to be found elsewhere!Considering all of the chores of a farmer (midnight bottling, kidding/calving, mastitis, feedings, fixing fences, kicked buckets... yada yada), there also must be some sanity for the farmer.  We have been in transition of becoming more like a CSA farm.  This means that most of our products are available for pre-order at a 15% savings.  It's the same with the dairy.   This encourages people to be committed long-term (less marketing on farmers part, and more milk-flow/sale security), and also gives a sense of pride and ownership to the CSAer - thus creating a more community-minded knowledgeable bunch.  We host regular get-togethers (workshops, potlucks, etc) here at the farm so that they can be in tune with the dairy, gardens, pastures, etc...  It instills more of a reason to do what they/we do!We have found that this leaves less paperwork, less "holding" milk for people (I'm always scared I forgot someone - and it's happened! - and then we'll run short), less stress, etc.  If someone wants milk as a one-time thing, say, for cheesemaking, I'll try to accommodate them.  However, if they're hit-and-miss, unless they want to become a weekly regular, I just can't swing it for long.  Usually these folks can go in on committing to a CSA with someone else, tho', and take turns picking up milk -- and then everyone can have it all!  This really doesn't solve your problems, tho'.  If your supplier is short of milk, sadly, there isn't much you or they can do!  It really stinks.  Again, I reeeeally hate saying no to people, and so this time of year leaves me heartbroken for them!  Past CSA'ers get first dibs on milk again when the girls freshen.  Anyone who doesn't join in when milk is available, loses their spot.  So we go down the list and add folks that have been waiting.  For those who wait when there is little milk (if I know we may not be able to commit to THEM on a weekly basis), I do hook them up as I can (like if we have extra milk one week, etc).  Again, not sure this helps at all.  Sorry!!!!  We need to get more quality dairies in your neck of the woods!Ooooo, my advice to you: be super nice to your farmer.  It will go a long way!!!Summer

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Summer says: “

We need more small dairymen &

women!”

Yep! That is true. We

simply do not have enough micro-dairy operations. Having experienced a barn

fire, and having to go back to rough milking conditions reminds me of when I

first started. I could not supply nearly the demand, and felt bad about having

to say no. The reality is, no got a bit easier as I began to understand that I

could not meet all the demand period. No matter how I tries to grow.

So incubating small

dairying is very important.

I am still dealing w/ the

$$ issue. My hay man just chastised me for not charging enough, as “grocery

store milk” is almost as much as what my share owners are paying. That is

my next mental hurdle.

www.MajestyFarm.com

" Education without values, as useful as it

is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. "

C. S.

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We're 8$/gallon and folks complain. They can get up with me and milk.

robie

www.bluestemfarms.com

--- Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!Date: Thu, January 03, 2008 11:26 pmTo: RawDairy

no, it's not "insane" ... in practice, it's exactly the opposite = by exercising our right to use and enjoy our property, we are restoring sanity to the marketplace after the damage done by the Stalinist food supply system we've suffered under for the last generation.

Anyone who wants to can drive across the border to Washington State and buy wonderful REAL MILK there, for about $6.50 per gallon. And lots do. Perfectly legal to bring it back to Canada as groceries, ie. personal property. Make sure you've got half a day to spare in the line-ups, and get psychologically prepared for a border guard to ask you to drop your pants while they do a 'cavity search'. on your way to get cheap milk

I should qualify that price by noting that our shareholders get their milk driven from the farm to depots in the city. So a significant part of that price is transportation. When truckdrivers work for nothing, you can have free delivery

When I joined this forum about four years ago (?) discussion of 'price' got so hot that it was banned for a while. you'll notice that the lady who was adamant that raw milk be as cheap as possible is no longer supplying it. Just as I predicted.

She stole from herself by giving it away for less than the cost of production. She did it as a labor of love, and advocated that everyone else ought to, too. I come from the opposite end of the spectrum ... if REAL MILK is what we say it is, then Let's make the good stuff available to the masses.

[Guest guest]

,

How much are you charging?

How did you like the BMR haylage?

We just started our BMR afterfinishing oat hay and poundage is up 6%

robie

amelia VA

--- RE: Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!Date: Fri, January 04, 2008 4:59 amTo: <RawDairy >

Summer says: “ We need more small dairymen & women!”

Yep! That is true. We simply do not have enough micro-dairy operations. Having experienced a barn fire, and having to go back to rough milking conditions reminds me of when I first started. I could not supply nearly the demand, and felt bad about having to say no. The reality is, no got a bit easier as I began to understand that I could not meet all the demand period. No matter how I tries to grow.

So incubating small dairying is very important.

I am still dealing w/ the $$ issue. My hay man just chastised me for not charging enough, as “grocery store milk” is almost as much as what my share owners are paying. That is my next mental hurdle.

www.MajestyFarm.com

"Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil."C. S.

[Guest guest]

$28/month

Probably will be

raising boarding costs this month. Hay is $$$$

Cows love the BMR

haylage. Can’t tell how milk supply has been affected, as things have

been in transition since I started feeding it (cows dried off to prepare for

calving, barn burring down, calves left on cows due to former, etc. Don’t

think I will have enough for the season tho

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

-Margaret Mead

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of robie@...

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008

9:14 AM

To: RawDairy

Subject: RE: Re: dairy

farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

,

How much are you charging?

How did you like the BMR haylage?

We just started our BMR afterfinishing oat hay and

poundage is up 6%

robie

amelia VA

--- RE: Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

From: " " <lotzakdznccwildblue>

Date: Fri, January 04, 2008 4:59 am

To: <RawDairy >

Summer says: “ We

need more small dairymen & women!”

Yep! That is true.

We simply do not have enough micro-dairy operations. Having experienced a

barn fire, and having to go back to rough milking conditions reminds me of when

I first started. I could not supply nearly the demand, and felt bad about

having to say no. The reality is, no got a bit easier as I began to understand

that I could not meet all the demand period. No matter how I tries to grow.

So incubating

small dairying is very important.

I am still dealing

w/ the $$ issue. My hay man just chastised me for not charging enough, as

“grocery store milk” is almost as much as what my share owners are

paying. That is my next mental hurdle.

www.MajestyFarm.com

" Education without values, as useful as it

is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. "

C. S.

[Guest guest]

, I'm with your hay man. You need to charge what will allow

you to make a reasonable profit from your labors. If there is demand

higher than you can produce, you need to stop feeling bad that you

might be pricing too high for some folks' comfort.

In reality, our food is CHEAP. Until the 1960s, Americans spent more

than 20% of their disposable income on food. Today we spend less

than 10%. Deciding not to buy a particular food because it's " too

expensive " is a choice. It's a choice to buy cheap milk and

(whatever else) instead of " expensive " milk and (not whatever else.)

It's not like anyone in this country is going hungry. Obesity is

more common among the poor than hunger. If someone =really= values

raw milk, they will decide to forgo some other nonessential.

Convenience foods, meals out, a whatever. Very, very few people in

this country are scraping the barrel so much that spending even

double the price of storebought milk is truly out of their reach if

they value raw milk. They may not like it, but in the end the

decision will be made based on what they value more: raw milk, or

whatever else they would have spent that money on. You should not

feel any guilt over their decision. You do not have a responsibility

to provide cheap milk to folks who would rather spend on something else.

And if you really feel you want to make raw milk available to that

small percentage of people who literally cannot afford to spend a few

bucks extra for it, consider making that part of your pricing

structure. If you have a customer who uses food stamps, sell them the

milk at your cost, or at grocery prices, or whatever makes sense to you.

>

> Summer says: “ We need more small dairymen & women!”

>

>

>

> Yep! That is true. We simply do not have enough micro-dairy

> operations. Having experienced a barn fire, and having to go back

> to rough milking conditions reminds me of when I first started. I

> could not supply nearly the demand, and felt bad about having to

> say no. The reality is, no got a bit easier as I began to

> understand that I could not meet all the demand period. No matter

> how I tries to grow.

>

>

>

> So incubating small dairying is very important.

>

>

>

> I am still dealing w/ the $$ issue. My hay man just chastised me

> for not charging enough, as “grocery store milk” is almost as much

> as what my share owners are paying. That is my next mental hurdle.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> www.MajestyFarm.com

>

> " Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make

> man a more clever devil. "

> C. S.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Summer,

I actually emailed my farmer yesterday and asked if he'd be willing to

set something up with me for once or twice a month. That way I'm not

taking milk weekly and he will have a guarantee that I'm coming. See, I

also come monthly to fill 5, 5/gal jugs of water for our consumption

from the farm, as well as other items he sells, so I'm hoping we can

work something out. You're right, I guess I need to pour on the syrup;-)!

Summer wrote:

>

> My two cents on this:

>

>

> It's hard to find good, clean raw milk. Those who really understand

> the value of fresh milk will go great lengths to get it. And to stick

> with it. This makes it hard for newcomers, as the average micro-dairy

> fills up fast, and then when it's full, it's full. And you wouldn't

> want it to be any other way. Expansion isn't the cure for lack of

> milk -- more micro farms in your community is!!! You want to preserve

> /quality /above /quantity/. Farmers need to grow at a pace that they

> feel completely comfortable with.

>

> But it stinks when you can't get your hands on raw milk, knowing

> they're RIGHT THERE.

>

> In our neck of the woods, there are two other goat dairies, both with

> half a dozen or less goats each. They were full before they opened

> their doors, I'm certain. We also hardly ever have an excess and have

> a significant waiting list. We need more small dairymen & women!

>

> My guess is this farmer is incredibly passionate about raw milk, and

> farming in general! I'm certain that she WANTS to be able to fill

> your need. I DREAD saying " no " more than anything! I know that it's

> not something easy to be found elsewhere!

>

> Considering all of the chores of a farmer (midnight bottling,

> kidding/calving, mastitis, feedings, fixing fences, kicked buckets...

> yada yada), there also must be some sanity for the farmer.

>

> We have been in transition of becoming more like a CSA farm. This

> means that most of our products are available for pre-order at a 15%

> savings. It's the same with the dairy. This encourages people to be

> committed long-term (less marketing on farmers part, and more

> milk-flow/sale security), and also gives a sense of pride and

> ownership to the CSAer - thus creating a more community-minded

> knowledgeable bunch. We host regular get-togethers (workshops,

> potlucks, etc) here at the farm so that they can be in tune with the

> dairy, gardens, pastures, etc... It instills more of a /reason/ to do

> what they/we do!

>

> We have found that this leaves less paperwork, less " holding " milk for

> people (I'm always scared I forgot someone - and it's happened! - and

> then we'll run short), less stress, etc. If someone wants milk as a

> one-time thing, say, for cheesemaking, I'll try to accommodate them.

> However, if they're hit-and-miss, unless they want to become a weekly

> regular, I just can't swing it for long. Usually these folks can go

> in on committing to a CSA with someone else, tho', and take turns

> picking up milk -- and then everyone can have it all!

>

> This really doesn't solve your problems, tho'. If your supplier is

> short of milk, sadly, there isn't much you or they can do! It really

> stinks. Again, I reeeeally hate saying no to people, and so this time

> of year leaves me heartbroken for them!

>

> Past CSA'ers get first dibs on milk again when the girls freshen.

> Anyone who doesn't join in when milk is available, loses their spot.

> So we go down the list and add folks that have been waiting. For

> those who wait when there is little milk (if I know we may not be able

> to commit to THEM on a weekly basis), I do hook them up as I can (like

> if we have extra milk one week, etc).

>

> Again, not sure this helps at all. Sorry!!!! We need to get more

> quality dairies in your neck of the woods!

>

> Ooooo, my advice to you: be super nice to your farmer. It will go a

> long way!!!

>

> Summer

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Summer,

I actually emailed my farmer yesterday and asked if he'd be willing to

set something up with me for once or twice a month. That way I'm not

taking milk weekly and he will have a guarantee that I'm coming. See, I

also come monthly to fill 5, 5/gal jugs of water for our consumption

from the farm, as well as other items he sells, so I'm hoping we can

work something out. You're right, I guess I need to pour on the syrup;-)!

Summer wrote:

>

> My two cents on this:

>

>

> It's hard to find good, clean raw milk. Those who really understand

> the value of fresh milk will go great lengths to get it. And to stick

> with it. This makes it hard for newcomers, as the average micro-dairy

> fills up fast, and then when it's full, it's full. And you wouldn't

> want it to be any other way. Expansion isn't the cure for lack of

> milk -- more micro farms in your community is!!! You want to preserve

> /quality /above /quantity/. Farmers need to grow at a pace that they

> feel completely comfortable with.

>

> But it stinks when you can't get your hands on raw milk, knowing

> they're RIGHT THERE.

>

> In our neck of the woods, there are two other goat dairies, both with

> half a dozen or less goats each. They were full before they opened

> their doors, I'm certain. We also hardly ever have an excess and have

> a significant waiting list. We need more small dairymen & women!

>

> My guess is this farmer is incredibly passionate about raw milk, and

> farming in general! I'm certain that she WANTS to be able to fill

> your need. I DREAD saying " no " more than anything! I know that it's

> not something easy to be found elsewhere!

>

> Considering all of the chores of a farmer (midnight bottling,

> kidding/calving, mastitis, feedings, fixing fences, kicked buckets...

> yada yada), there also must be some sanity for the farmer.

>

> We have been in transition of becoming more like a CSA farm. This

> means that most of our products are available for pre-order at a 15%

> savings. It's the same with the dairy. This encourages people to be

> committed long-term (less marketing on farmers part, and more

> milk-flow/sale security), and also gives a sense of pride and

> ownership to the CSAer - thus creating a more community-minded

> knowledgeable bunch. We host regular get-togethers (workshops,

> potlucks, etc) here at the farm so that they can be in tune with the

> dairy, gardens, pastures, etc... It instills more of a /reason/ to do

> what they/we do!

>

> We have found that this leaves less paperwork, less " holding " milk for

> people (I'm always scared I forgot someone - and it's happened! - and

> then we'll run short), less stress, etc. If someone wants milk as a

> one-time thing, say, for cheesemaking, I'll try to accommodate them.

> However, if they're hit-and-miss, unless they want to become a weekly

> regular, I just can't swing it for long. Usually these folks can go

> in on committing to a CSA with someone else, tho', and take turns

> picking up milk -- and then everyone can have it all!

>

> This really doesn't solve your problems, tho'. If your supplier is

> short of milk, sadly, there isn't much you or they can do! It really

> stinks. Again, I reeeeally hate saying no to people, and so this time

> of year leaves me heartbroken for them!

>

> Past CSA'ers get first dibs on milk again when the girls freshen.

> Anyone who doesn't join in when milk is available, loses their spot.

> So we go down the list and add folks that have been waiting. For

> those who wait when there is little milk (if I know we may not be able

> to commit to THEM on a weekly basis), I do hook them up as I can (like

> if we have extra milk one week, etc).

>

> Again, not sure this helps at all. Sorry!!!! We need to get more

> quality dairies in your neck of the woods!

>

> Ooooo, my advice to you: be super nice to your farmer. It will go a

> long way!!!

>

> Summer

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Summer,

I actually emailed my farmer yesterday and asked if he'd be willing to

set something up with me for once or twice a month. That way I'm not

taking milk weekly and he will have a guarantee that I'm coming. See, I

also come monthly to fill 5, 5/gal jugs of water for our consumption

from the farm, as well as other items he sells, so I'm hoping we can

work something out. You're right, I guess I need to pour on the syrup;-)!

Summer wrote:

>

> My two cents on this:

>

>

> It's hard to find good, clean raw milk. Those who really understand

> the value of fresh milk will go great lengths to get it. And to stick

> with it. This makes it hard for newcomers, as the average micro-dairy

> fills up fast, and then when it's full, it's full. And you wouldn't

> want it to be any other way. Expansion isn't the cure for lack of

> milk -- more micro farms in your community is!!! You want to preserve

> /quality /above /quantity/. Farmers need to grow at a pace that they

> feel completely comfortable with.

>

> But it stinks when you can't get your hands on raw milk, knowing

> they're RIGHT THERE.

>

> In our neck of the woods, there are two other goat dairies, both with

> half a dozen or less goats each. They were full before they opened

> their doors, I'm certain. We also hardly ever have an excess and have

> a significant waiting list. We need more small dairymen & women!

>

> My guess is this farmer is incredibly passionate about raw milk, and

> farming in general! I'm certain that she WANTS to be able to fill

> your need. I DREAD saying " no " more than anything! I know that it's

> not something easy to be found elsewhere!

>

> Considering all of the chores of a farmer (midnight bottling,

> kidding/calving, mastitis, feedings, fixing fences, kicked buckets...

> yada yada), there also must be some sanity for the farmer.

>

> We have been in transition of becoming more like a CSA farm. This

> means that most of our products are available for pre-order at a 15%

> savings. It's the same with the dairy. This encourages people to be

> committed long-term (less marketing on farmers part, and more

> milk-flow/sale security), and also gives a sense of pride and

> ownership to the CSAer - thus creating a more community-minded

> knowledgeable bunch. We host regular get-togethers (workshops,

> potlucks, etc) here at the farm so that they can be in tune with the

> dairy, gardens, pastures, etc... It instills more of a /reason/ to do

> what they/we do!

>

> We have found that this leaves less paperwork, less " holding " milk for

> people (I'm always scared I forgot someone - and it's happened! - and

> then we'll run short), less stress, etc. If someone wants milk as a

> one-time thing, say, for cheesemaking, I'll try to accommodate them.

> However, if they're hit-and-miss, unless they want to become a weekly

> regular, I just can't swing it for long. Usually these folks can go

> in on committing to a CSA with someone else, tho', and take turns

> picking up milk -- and then everyone can have it all!

>

> This really doesn't solve your problems, tho'. If your supplier is

> short of milk, sadly, there isn't much you or they can do! It really

> stinks. Again, I reeeeally hate saying no to people, and so this time

> of year leaves me heartbroken for them!

>

> Past CSA'ers get first dibs on milk again when the girls freshen.

> Anyone who doesn't join in when milk is available, loses their spot.

> So we go down the list and add folks that have been waiting. For

> those who wait when there is little milk (if I know we may not be able

> to commit to THEM on a weekly basis), I do hook them up as I can (like

> if we have extra milk one week, etc).

>

> Again, not sure this helps at all. Sorry!!!! We need to get more

> quality dairies in your neck of the woods!

>

> Ooooo, my advice to you: be super nice to your farmer. It will go a

> long way!!!

>

> Summer

>

>

[Guest guest]

My farmer charges $22 a month, and I suspect he is undercharging

because he's such a proponent of raw milk and wants to make it

available. He has a long waiting list -- I bought my shares in

September and they started the list soon after. He has added several

cows to his herd (he has 14 now) over his wife's objections. They're

retirement age and she says she's too old to be standing on her head

twice a day milking Jerseys. She wants to be tailing off production,

not stepping it up. He's nearing completion on a new milking parlor

which happily will have the cows elevated to waist level for milking.

It's been an expensive year with the drought we've had here (SW OH)

and I know he's paying a hefty price for organic hay. (He's 100%

grass fed.)

IMO, he should raise his prices to reflect rising costs and

increasing demand and also to protect himself and his wife from being

taken advantage of. If his costs are going up, why shouldn't mine be?

>

> $28/month

>

>

>

> Probably will be raising boarding costs this month. Hay is $$$$

>

>

>

> Cows love the BMR haylage. Can’t tell how milk supply has been

> affected, as things have been in transition since I started feeding

> it (cows dried off to prepare for calving, barn burring down,

> calves left on cows due to former, etc. Don’t think I will have

> enough for the season tho

>

>

>

>

>

> www.Majesty Farm.com

>

> " Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens

> can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. "

>

> -Margaret Mead

>

>

>

>

>

> From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On

> Behalf Of robie@...

> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:14 AM

> To: RawDairy

> Subject: RE: Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with

> demand!

>

>

>

> ,

>

>

>

> How much are you charging?

>

> How did you like the BMR haylage?

>

> We just started our BMR afterfinishing oat hay and poundage is up 6%

>

>

>

> robie

>

> amelia VA

>

>

>

>

>

> --- RE: Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with

> demand!

>

> Date: Fri, January 04, 2008 4:59 am

> To: <RawDairy >

>

> Summer says: “ We need more small dairymen & women!”

>

>

>

> Yep! That is true. We simply do not have enough micro-dairy

> operations. Having experienced a barn fire, and having to go back

> to rough milking conditions reminds me of when I first started. I

> could not supply nearly the demand, and felt bad about having to

> say no. The reality is, no got a bit easier as I began to

> understand that I could not meet all the demand period. No matter

> how I tries to grow.

>

>

>

> So incubating small dairying is very important.

>

>

>

> I am still dealing w/ the $$ issue. My hay man just chastised me

> for not charging enough, as “grocery store milk” is almost as much

> as what my share owners are paying. That is my next mental hurdle.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> www.MajestyFarm.com

>

> " Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make

> man a more clever devil. "

> C. S.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My farmer charges $22 a month, and I suspect he is undercharging

because he's such a proponent of raw milk and wants to make it

available. He has a long waiting list -- I bought my shares in

September and they started the list soon after. He has added several

cows to his herd (he has 14 now) over his wife's objections. They're

retirement age and she says she's too old to be standing on her head

twice a day milking Jerseys. She wants to be tailing off production,

not stepping it up. He's nearing completion on a new milking parlor

which happily will have the cows elevated to waist level for milking.

It's been an expensive year with the drought we've had here (SW OH)

and I know he's paying a hefty price for organic hay. (He's 100%

grass fed.)

IMO, he should raise his prices to reflect rising costs and

increasing demand and also to protect himself and his wife from being

taken advantage of. If his costs are going up, why shouldn't mine be?

>

> $28/month

>

>

>

> Probably will be raising boarding costs this month. Hay is $$$$

>

>

>

> Cows love the BMR haylage. Can’t tell how milk supply has been

> affected, as things have been in transition since I started feeding

> it (cows dried off to prepare for calving, barn burring down,

> calves left on cows due to former, etc. Don’t think I will have

> enough for the season tho

>

>

>

>

>

> www.Majesty Farm.com

>

> " Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens

> can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. "

>

> -Margaret Mead

>

>

>

>

>

> From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On

> Behalf Of robie@...

> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:14 AM

> To: RawDairy

> Subject: RE: Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with

> demand!

>

>

>

> ,

>

>

>

> How much are you charging?

>

> How did you like the BMR haylage?

>

> We just started our BMR afterfinishing oat hay and poundage is up 6%

>

>

>

> robie

>

> amelia VA

>

>

>

>

>

> --- RE: Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with

> demand!

>

> Date: Fri, January 04, 2008 4:59 am

> To: <RawDairy >

>

> Summer says: “ We need more small dairymen & women!”

>

>

>

> Yep! That is true. We simply do not have enough micro-dairy

> operations. Having experienced a barn fire, and having to go back

> to rough milking conditions reminds me of when I first started. I

> could not supply nearly the demand, and felt bad about having to

> say no. The reality is, no got a bit easier as I began to

> understand that I could not meet all the demand period. No matter

> how I tries to grow.

>

>

>

> So incubating small dairying is very important.

>

>

>

> I am still dealing w/ the $$ issue. My hay man just chastised me

> for not charging enough, as “grocery store milk” is almost as much

> as what my share owners are paying. That is my next mental hurdle.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> www.MajestyFarm.com

>

> " Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make

> man a more clever devil. "

> C. S.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My farmer charges $22 a month, and I suspect he is undercharging

because he's such a proponent of raw milk and wants to make it

available. He has a long waiting list -- I bought my shares in

September and they started the list soon after. He has added several

cows to his herd (he has 14 now) over his wife's objections. They're

retirement age and she says she's too old to be standing on her head

twice a day milking Jerseys. She wants to be tailing off production,

not stepping it up. He's nearing completion on a new milking parlor

which happily will have the cows elevated to waist level for milking.

It's been an expensive year with the drought we've had here (SW OH)

and I know he's paying a hefty price for organic hay. (He's 100%

grass fed.)

IMO, he should raise his prices to reflect rising costs and

increasing demand and also to protect himself and his wife from being

taken advantage of. If his costs are going up, why shouldn't mine be?

>

> $28/month

>

>

>

> Probably will be raising boarding costs this month. Hay is $$$$

>

>

>

> Cows love the BMR haylage. Can’t tell how milk supply has been

> affected, as things have been in transition since I started feeding

> it (cows dried off to prepare for calving, barn burring down,

> calves left on cows due to former, etc. Don’t think I will have

> enough for the season tho

>

>

>

>

>

> www.Majesty Farm.com

>

> " Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens

> can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. "

>

> -Margaret Mead

>

>

>

>

>

> From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On

> Behalf Of robie@...

> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:14 AM

> To: RawDairy

> Subject: RE: Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with

> demand!

>

>

>

> ,

>

>

>

> How much are you charging?

>

> How did you like the BMR haylage?

>

> We just started our BMR afterfinishing oat hay and poundage is up 6%

>

>

>

> robie

>

> amelia VA

>

>

>

>

>

> --- RE: Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with

> demand!

>

> Date: Fri, January 04, 2008 4:59 am

> To: <RawDairy >

>

> Summer says: “ We need more small dairymen & women!”

>

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> operations. Having experienced a barn fire, and having to go back

> to rough milking conditions reminds me of when I first started. I

> could not supply nearly the demand, and felt bad about having to

> say no. The reality is, no got a bit easier as I began to

> understand that I could not meet all the demand period. No matter

> how I tries to grow.

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> for not charging enough, as “grocery store milk” is almost as much

> as what my share owners are paying. That is my next mental hurdle.

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> www.MajestyFarm.com

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> " Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make

> man a more clever devil. "

> C. S.

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[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

That is 2 hrs one-way, which I am willing to do for good milk. But, as

of this morning, there is a solution to my problem! A new dairy farm,

only about an hour and 15 min away with Jersey's!! I'm thrilled!!!

Thanks to this wonderful group, I've found a new farmer!

carolyn_graff wrote:

>

> can you start a carpool to the other farm? that's what people do here.

> they take turns

> driving to a farm that is 60 miles away, one-way. when you say 2

> hours, is that 2 hours

> one-way or round-trip?

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>

> >

> > Hi All,

> > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to do a

> > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

> milk to

> > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and the

> > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is amazing

> > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original customers

> > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come, first

> > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not on

> > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll in

> > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait until

> > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> > Happy New Year!

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

That is 2 hrs one-way, which I am willing to do for good milk. But, as

of this morning, there is a solution to my problem! A new dairy farm,

only about an hour and 15 min away with Jersey's!! I'm thrilled!!!

Thanks to this wonderful group, I've found a new farmer!

carolyn_graff wrote:

>

> can you start a carpool to the other farm? that's what people do here.

> they take turns

> driving to a farm that is 60 miles away, one-way. when you say 2

> hours, is that 2 hours

> one-way or round-trip?

>

>

> >

> > Hi All,

> > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to do a

> > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

> milk to

> > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and the

> > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is amazing

> > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original customers

> > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come, first

> > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not on

> > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll in

> > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait until

> > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> > Happy New Year!

> >

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