RE: Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

[Guest guest]

Those stats mean nothing and are just that - numbers.

I spend around 30 % of my income on my food budget which is my second biggest

expense next to my mortgage....

- you by no means offended me btw and I too feel for your situation as I

have been down that road myself a few times - I will keep you in my prayers.

Teri

-------------- Original message ----------------------

> Jen, food was =more= expensive when you were younger, not cheaper.

> In 1950, the average American was paying over 20% of his disposable

> income for food. In 1960, 17%. In 1980 your parents were paying

> 13%. In 2006, Americans paid 9.9% of our disposable income for

> food. For people who eat all their meals at home, it's considerably

> lower. I'm very sorry you're losing your house and that your family

> is in worse shape than you were five years ago, but it's not because

> of relative food prices.

>

> Here's the USDA stats on it:

>

> http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/CPIFoodAndExpenditures/Data/table7.htm

>

>

>

>

> > Hi All,

> > I am sorry if i've offended anyone:( but with prices being so high on

> > EVERYTHING now days i feel " raped " daily!not by the little guys like

> > all ofm you.its the big corperate companies and the greedy gov.! Im

> > remember when i was young things were alot different(and cheaper)!(I

> > am 38)people(like us)were NOT loosing their houses(LIKE US)because

> > they had to choose between getting to work and paying their mortage

> > (LIKE US)

> > things are soooo inflated!we COULD afford our house when we bought it

> > it 5 yrs ago(and i was nursing 2 children,not working)now we cant

> > keep our heads above water and soon we will lose our home.So with

> > that being said,I do belive the farmers(like you)deserve what you

> > make on your milk and whatever else you sell but you would'nt need to

> > charge so much if things were'nt so inflated in the first place by

> > the greedy ass's in office! Bless you all for sticking with it!It is

> > a VERY hard job doing what you all do!

> > In reguards to the milk question: the milk i get is raw organic milk

> > they are a very small company(25-30 cows)they have a contract w/a

> > company who comes and takes their milk every other day(along with

> > testing it of course)the facilities are VERY clean and they work very

> > hard!husband does all the farming himself(w/the occasional help from

> > the amish boy down the road)he has no other job! they tell me they

> > are happy to have my tax free $20(i get 10 gal at a time and i

> > try to throw them some extra $ if i can.

> > as far as eggs go,i get them (all organic)for 1.25 a dozen and that

> > not on the same farm that i get the milk from,so it is quite a busy

> > life trying to keep my children in healthy food,free from the fda

> > label.

> > blessings to you all!

> > and sorry for offending anyone!Jen

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi All,

> > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to

> do a

> > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

> milk to

> > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and

> the

> > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

> amazing

> > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original

> customers

> > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

> first

> > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not

> on

> > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll

> in

> > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait

> until

> > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> > Happy New Year!

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are other

sources for the data (using my daughter’s laptop w/out my resources

because I cannot sit at computer w/ back right now) that reflect the same

trends. A lot of things are cheaper % of income wise—refrigerators,

sewing machines, even used cars/ Now when I say used, I mean used. Not a 2 year

old trade up deal.

Val, you are right on

about relative costs. Real estate taxes are crazy around here. Land costs have

become outrageous. While interest rates are way low. Housing costs are much

higher. When my first was born 29 years ago, we bought a house w/ interest at 7

½%. Of course the house was 22,950.00  The next house we got in 1982, we bought

a house that was going to be bulldozed, bought a lot, and paid to move it.

Interest, a la , was 21%. We got a 5 year car loan to pay for it, and

although our payments were about $65 a month  higher than a 30 year mortgage

would have been, our interest was way lower (8%). Sound weird??

Not only are

starter homes 5x the cost than in the late 70’s, a of people are not

satisfied w/ what the starter homes were back then---2 bedrooms, no AC, etc.

Priorities have changed a lot.

One thing that will

be extremely hard to recover from the fire with is the fact that all of our of

season and hand me down pass on clothes, linens, and other items were in the

barn. The time and money to replace them is not around.

And I don’t buy

Chinese, so that will be a trip to actually go shopping.

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

-Margaret Mead

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Val

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008

12:29 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: Re: dairy

farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

Jen, food was =more= expensive when you were younger, not cheaper.

In 1950, the average American was paying over 20% of his disposable

income for food. In 1960, 17%. In 1980 your parents were paying

13%. In 2006, Americans paid 9.9% of our disposable income for

food. For people who eat all their meals at home, it's considerably

lower. I'm very sorry you're losing your house and that your family

is in worse shape than you were five years ago, but it's not because

of relative food prices.

Here's the USDA stats on it:

http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/CPIFoodAndExpenditures/Data/table7.htm

> Hi All,

> I am sorry if i've offended anyone:( but with prices being so high on

> EVERYTHING now days i feel " raped " daily!not by the little

guys like

> all ofm you.its the big corperate companies and the greedy gov.! Im

> remember when i was young things were alot different(and cheaper)!(I

> am 38)people(like us)were NOT loosing their houses(LIKE US)because

> they had to choose between getting to work and paying their mortage

> (LIKE US)

> things are soooo inflated!we COULD afford our house when we bought it

> it 5 yrs ago(and i was nursing 2 children,not working)now we cant

> keep our heads above water and soon we will lose our home.So with

> that being said,I do belive the farmers(like you)deserve what you

> make on your milk and whatever else you sell but you would'nt need to

> charge so much if things were'nt so inflated in the first place by

> the greedy ass's in office! Bless you all for sticking with it!It is

> a VERY hard job doing what you all do!

> In reguards to the milk question: the milk i get is raw organic milk

> they are a very small company(25-30 cows)they have a contract w/a

> company who comes and takes their milk every other day(along with

> testing it of course)the facilities are VERY clean and they work very

> hard!husband does all the farming himself(w/the occasional help from

> the amish boy down the road)he has no other job! they tell me they

> are happy to have my tax free $20(i get 10 gal at a time and i

> try to throw them some extra $ if i can.

> as far as eggs go,i get them (all organic)for 1.25 a dozen and that

> not on the same farm that i get the milk from,so it is quite a busy

> life trying to keep my children in healthy food,free from the fda

> label.

> blessings to you all!

> and sorry for offending anyone!Jen

>

>

> >

> > Hi All,

> > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to

> do a

> > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

> milk to

> > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and

> the

> > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

> amazing

> > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original

> customers

> > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

> first

> > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not

> on

> > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll

> in

> > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait

> until

> > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> > Happy New Year!

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are other

sources for the data (using my daughter’s laptop w/out my resources

because I cannot sit at computer w/ back right now) that reflect the same

trends. A lot of things are cheaper % of income wise—refrigerators,

sewing machines, even used cars/ Now when I say used, I mean used. Not a 2 year

old trade up deal.

Val, you are right on

about relative costs. Real estate taxes are crazy around here. Land costs have

become outrageous. While interest rates are way low. Housing costs are much

higher. When my first was born 29 years ago, we bought a house w/ interest at 7

½%. Of course the house was 22,950.00  The next house we got in 1982, we bought

a house that was going to be bulldozed, bought a lot, and paid to move it.

Interest, a la , was 21%. We got a 5 year car loan to pay for it, and

although our payments were about $65 a month  higher than a 30 year mortgage

would have been, our interest was way lower (8%). Sound weird??

Not only are

starter homes 5x the cost than in the late 70’s, a of people are not

satisfied w/ what the starter homes were back then---2 bedrooms, no AC, etc.

Priorities have changed a lot.

One thing that will

be extremely hard to recover from the fire with is the fact that all of our of

season and hand me down pass on clothes, linens, and other items were in the

barn. The time and money to replace them is not around.

And I don’t buy

Chinese, so that will be a trip to actually go shopping.

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

-Margaret Mead

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Val

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008

12:29 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: Re: dairy

farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

Jen, food was =more= expensive when you were younger, not cheaper.

In 1950, the average American was paying over 20% of his disposable

income for food. In 1960, 17%. In 1980 your parents were paying

13%. In 2006, Americans paid 9.9% of our disposable income for

food. For people who eat all their meals at home, it's considerably

lower. I'm very sorry you're losing your house and that your family

is in worse shape than you were five years ago, but it's not because

of relative food prices.

Here's the USDA stats on it:

http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/CPIFoodAndExpenditures/Data/table7.htm

> Hi All,

> I am sorry if i've offended anyone:( but with prices being so high on

> EVERYTHING now days i feel " raped " daily!not by the little

guys like

> all ofm you.its the big corperate companies and the greedy gov.! Im

> remember when i was young things were alot different(and cheaper)!(I

> am 38)people(like us)were NOT loosing their houses(LIKE US)because

> they had to choose between getting to work and paying their mortage

> (LIKE US)

> things are soooo inflated!we COULD afford our house when we bought it

> it 5 yrs ago(and i was nursing 2 children,not working)now we cant

> keep our heads above water and soon we will lose our home.So with

> that being said,I do belive the farmers(like you)deserve what you

> make on your milk and whatever else you sell but you would'nt need to

> charge so much if things were'nt so inflated in the first place by

> the greedy ass's in office! Bless you all for sticking with it!It is

> a VERY hard job doing what you all do!

> In reguards to the milk question: the milk i get is raw organic milk

> they are a very small company(25-30 cows)they have a contract w/a

> company who comes and takes their milk every other day(along with

> testing it of course)the facilities are VERY clean and they work very

> hard!husband does all the farming himself(w/the occasional help from

> the amish boy down the road)he has no other job! they tell me they

> are happy to have my tax free $20(i get 10 gal at a time and i

> try to throw them some extra $ if i can.

> as far as eggs go,i get them (all organic)for 1.25 a dozen and that

> not on the same farm that i get the milk from,so it is quite a busy

> life trying to keep my children in healthy food,free from the fda

> label.

> blessings to you all!

> and sorry for offending anyone!Jen

>

>

> >

> > Hi All,

> > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to

> do a

> > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

> milk to

> > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and

> the

> > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

> amazing

> > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original

> customers

> > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

> first

> > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not

> on

> > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll

> in

> > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait

> until

> > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> > Happy New Year!

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ain’t it

sweet….Of course, it isn’t so bad at 10 degrees when you have a

building to milk in and running water.

But at least there

is no mudJ

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

-Margaret Mead

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of FORBES FARM

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008

1:46 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: Re: dairy

farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

Ha 10 degrees and 35 mile an hour winds I could be in

a tshirt ! The

other morning actual temp was -25 when I was milking without the windchill .

Anyone who wants to come and help out on those days can have there milk for

FREE .

Ok who has it worse than me ?

Smiles , hugs and warm thoughts of spring.

Patty

Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

How much would someone have to pay you to go out when

it is 40

> degrees and raining and spend a couple hours milking?

40*??? That's T-shirt weather!!! And

rain? I laugh at the rain! (Sarcastic.. hahahahaha!!) I'm

a goat milker in the mountains of NC! 10* and 35mph winds blowing up my

butt!! I can only milk one girl at a time and back when I

freshened 25 does it would take me 3 hours to milk them... TWICE a

day. Until the last doe freshened somebody would inevitably shoot out

another two or three kids that I had to stop and take care of halfway

through lengthening the process. After a couple of years I got a

machine but the power often goes out and milking by hand takes a lot

longer. Add to the equation all the other things that have to be done

with the animals and you've got one heck of a full day. These things

do make a girl cranky! Anybody who sells milk for $2 a gallon is shooting

himself in the foot. To those people who are completely clueless as

to what it takes to produce that glass of milk you're holding I recommend you

show up at your local supplier's house one morning about 4am and help with that

day's chores. By the time you get home, say sometime after 9pm (unless

it's kidding season which means you're on call 24 hrs), you'll have a whole new

perspective on things.

The only cosmetics around here are made by Suave or

Carmex!! Long live the farmers!

Sherry

n

NC

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[Guest guest]

Actually, stats do

mean something. It is in the analysis that one has to determine the meaning. I

spend much less than 30%---because much of my cost is in sweat equity. It is a

tragedy when anyone cannot keep up with the costs of living in this nation of

so much. 30% though, is more than many either do or are willing to spend. Numbers

are important---they are quantitative measurement of something, and don’t

we all rail when the CDC, FDA, et al use numbers in a deceptive and untruthful

way, when, in actuality, the facts (ie, real number meanings) are in opposition

to their claims?

I would imagine

that most on this list pay a higher percentage of the national average for

their food, due to their priorities in life, whether it be dollars or labor.

But the reality is that most Americans do not. And the reality is for a lot of

people, the food budget is not carefully considered according to nutrient value

for the money. If that were so, calorie free food would not be such a big

seller. Imagine in a 3rd world nation---PAYING for something that

gives you no energy to live?

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

-Margaret Mead

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of teri-lee@...

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008

3:12 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: Re: dairy

farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

Those stats mean nothing and are just that - numbers.

I spend around 30 % of my income on my food budget which is my second biggest

expense next to my mortgage....

- you by no means offended me btw and I too feel for your situation as I

have been down that road myself a few times - I will keep you in my prayers.

Teri

-------------- Original message ----------------------

From: Val <listvalcinci (DOT) rr.com>

> Jen, food was =more= expensive when you were younger, not cheaper.

> In 1950, the average American was paying over 20% of his disposable

> income for food. In 1960, 17%. In 1980 your parents were paying

> 13%. In 2006, Americans paid 9.9% of our disposable income for

> food. For people who eat all their meals at home, it's considerably

> lower. I'm very sorry you're losing your house and that your family

> is in worse shape than you were five years ago, but it's not because

> of relative food prices.

>

> Here's the USDA stats on it:

>

> http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/CPIFoodAndExpenditures/Data/table7.htm

>

>

>

>

> > Hi All,

> > I am sorry if i've offended anyone:( but with prices being so high on

> > EVERYTHING now days i feel " raped " daily!not by the

little guys like

> > all ofm you.its the big corperate companies and the greedy gov.! Im

> > remember when i was young things were alot different(and cheaper)!(I

> > am 38)people(like us)were NOT loosing their houses(LIKE US)because

> > they had to choose between getting to work and paying their mortage

> > (LIKE US)

> > things are soooo inflated!we COULD afford our house when we bought it

> > it 5 yrs ago(and i was nursing 2 children,not working)now we cant

> > keep our heads above water and soon we will lose our home.So with

> > that being said,I do belive the farmers(like you)deserve what you

> > make on your milk and whatever else you sell but you would'nt need to

> > charge so much if things were'nt so inflated in the first place by

> > the greedy ass's in office! Bless you all for sticking with it!It is

> > a VERY hard job doing what you all do!

> > In reguards to the milk question: the milk i get is raw organic milk

> > they are a very small company(25-30 cows)they have a contract w/a

> > company who comes and takes their milk every other day(along with

> > testing it of course)the facilities are VERY clean and they work very

> > hard!husband does all the farming himself(w/the occasional help from

> > the amish boy down the road)he has no other job! they tell me they

> > are happy to have my tax free $20(i get 10 gal at a time and i

> > try to throw them some extra $ if i can.

> > as far as eggs go,i get them (all organic)for 1.25 a dozen and that

> > not on the same farm that i get the milk from,so it is quite a busy

> > life trying to keep my children in healthy food,free from the fda

> > label.

> > blessings to you all!

> > and sorry for offending anyone!Jen

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need

to

> > do a

> > > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> > > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

> > milk to

> > > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and

> > the

> > > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

> > amazing

> > > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> > > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original

> > customers

> > > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

> > first

> > > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not

> > on

> > > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others

stroll

> > in

> > > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to

crawl;-)

> > > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> > > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you

all

> > > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other

farm

> > > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait

> > until

> > > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> > > Happy New Year!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Teri-lee, but that's your personal income and choices that end with

you spending that much. Different people make different incomes and

different choices. The fact you personally spend more doesn't negate

the fact that the average american is spending LESS of their income

on food than ever. American food is cheaper than it's ever been.

> Those stats mean nothing and are just that - numbers.

>

> I spend around 30 % of my income on my food budget which is my

> second biggest expense next to my mortgage....

>

> - you by no means offended me btw and I too feel for your

> situation as I have been down that road myself a few times - I will

> keep you in my prayers.

>

> Teri

>

> -------------- Original message ----------------------

>

> > Jen, food was =more= expensive when you were younger, not cheaper.

> > In 1950, the average American was paying over 20% of his disposable

> > income for food. In 1960, 17%. In 1980 your parents were paying

> > 13%. In 2006, Americans paid 9.9% of our disposable income for

> > food. For people who eat all their meals at home, it's considerably

> > lower. I'm very sorry you're losing your house and that your family

> > is in worse shape than you were five years ago, but it's not because

> > of relative food prices.

> >

> > Here's the USDA stats on it:

> >

> > http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/CPIFoodAndExpenditures/Data/

> table7.htm

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi All,

> > > I am sorry if i've offended anyone:( but with prices being so

> high on

> > > EVERYTHING now days i feel " raped " daily!not by the little guys

> like

> > > all ofm you.its the big corperate companies and the greedy

> gov.! Im

> > > remember when i was young things were alot different(and

> cheaper)!(I

> > > am 38)people(like us)were NOT loosing their houses(LIKE US)because

> > > they had to choose between getting to work and paying their

> mortage

> > > (LIKE US)

> > > things are soooo inflated!we COULD afford our house when we

> bought it

> > > it 5 yrs ago(and i was nursing 2 children,not working)now we cant

> > > keep our heads above water and soon we will lose our home.So with

> > > that being said,I do belive the farmers(like you)deserve what you

> > > make on your milk and whatever else you sell but you would'nt

> need to

> > > charge so much if things were'nt so inflated in the first place by

> > > the greedy ass's in office! Bless you all for sticking with it!

> It is

> > > a VERY hard job doing what you all do!

> > > In reguards to the milk question: the milk i get is raw organic

> milk

> > > they are a very small company(25-30 cows)they have a contract w/a

> > > company who comes and takes their milk every other day(along with

> > > testing it of course)the facilities are VERY clean and they

> work very

> > > hard!husband does all the farming himself(w/the occasional help

> from

> > > the amish boy down the road)he has no other job! they tell me they

> > > are happy to have my tax free $20(i get 10 gal at a time and i

> > > try to throw them some extra $ if i can.

> > > as far as eggs go,i get them (all organic)for 1.25 a dozen and

> that

> > > not on the same farm that i get the milk from,so it is quite a

> busy

> > > life trying to keep my children in healthy food,free from the fda

> > > label.

> > > blessings to you all!

> > > and sorry for offending anyone!Jen

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to

> > do a

> > > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> > > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

> > milk to

> > > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and

> > the

> > > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

> > amazing

> > > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> > > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original

> > customers

> > > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

> > first

> > > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not

> > on

> > > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll

> > in

> > > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)

> > > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> > > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all

> > > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm

> > > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait

> > until

> > > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> > > Happy New Year!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, and that's the most important point. It's not that the

basic costs of living have become relatively more expensive. It's

that we want a lot of things our parents didn't have. Bigger houses,

newer cars, more stuff. When I was my daughter's age, we had one

telephone (and never made a long distance call before 11 at night),

one television (with three channels), and a four-year-old station

wagon and a 20-year-old Mustang (both of which my dad could keep

running). I consider my husband and I to be similarly placed in life

now as my folks were then -- but the STUFF we have! We have a phone

in every bedroom, three cell phones for the family, three computers,

several iPods, a TiVo and digital cable, and two cars under 4 years

old (neither of which my husband is capable of working on.)

It's not that life is more expensive. It's that there's just more to

spend money on. Many of us want these extra things, and when we

choose to have them we have to forgo other things, like more

expensive food choices. If we were willing to live like our parents

did, I think most of us would find we have plenty of money to do it.

> Not only are starter homes 5x the cost than in the late 70’s, a of

> people are not satisfied w/ what the starter homes were back

> then---2 bedrooms, no AC, etc. Priorities have changed a lot.

>

>

>

>

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That's because what they are selling as food really isn't. It is chemical and hormone filled junk. Now they are cloning meats for consumers. So real food is more expensive than it used to be. The stuff they sell at Wal-Mart can not in any sense of the word be classified as real food. Also the reason those numbers are so low is this is the same section of the govt that says "real food = BAD, raw milk = BAD, Our chemical enhanced, radiated food = GOOD" How many times have they fudged the paperwork and numbers to say that raw milk is a danger to society? I believe they did it again just this past week in a news report. They are going to make up any numbers they want to make these reports say exactly what they want them to say.TerriVal wrote: Teri-lee,

but that's your personal income and choices that end with you spending that much. Different people make different incomes and different choices. The fact you personally spend more doesn't negate the fact that the average american is spending LESS of their income on food than ever. American food is cheaper than it's ever been.> Those stats mean nothing and are just that - numbers.>> I spend around 30 % of my income on my food budget which is my > second biggest expense next to my mortgage....>> - you by no means offended me btw and I too feel for your > situation as I have been down that road myself a few times - I will > keep you in my prayers.>> Teri>> -------------- Original message ----------------------> From: Val > > Jen, food was =more=

expensive when you were younger, not cheaper.> > In 1950, the average American was paying over 20% of his disposable> > income for food. In 1960, 17%. In 1980 your parents were paying> > 13%. In 2006, Americans paid 9.9% of our disposable income for> > food. For people who eat all their meals at home, it's considerably> > lower. I'm very sorry you're losing your house and that your family> > is in worse shape than you were five years ago, but it's not because> > of relative food prices.> >> > Here's the USDA stats on it:> >> > http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/CPIFoodAndExpenditures/Data/ > table7.htm> >> >> > > >> > > Hi All,> > > I am sorry if i've offended anyone:( but with prices being so > high on> > > EVERYTHING now days

i feel "raped"daily!not by the little guys > like> > > all ofm you.its the big corperate companies and the greedy > gov.! Im> > > remember when i was young things were alot different(and > cheaper)!(I> > > am 38)people(like us)were NOT loosing their houses(LIKE US)because> > > they had to choose between getting to work and paying their > mortage> > > (LIKE US)> > > things are soooo inflated!we COULD afford our house when we > bought it> > > it 5 yrs ago(and i was nursing 2 children,not working)now we cant> > > keep our heads above water and soon we will lose our home.So with> > > that being said,I do belive the farmers(like you)deserve what you> > > make on your milk and whatever else you sell but you would'nt > need to> > > charge so much if things were'nt so inflated in the first

place by> > > the greedy ass's in office! Bless you all for sticking with it! > It is> > > a VERY hard job doing what you all do!> > > In reguards to the milk question: the milk i get is raw organic > milk> > > they are a very small company(25-30 cows)they have a contract w/a> > > company who comes and takes their milk every other day(along with> > > testing it of course)the facilities are VERY clean and they > work very> > > hard!husband does all the farming himself(w/the occasional help > from> > > the amish boy down the road)he has no other job! they tell me they> > > are happy to have my tax free $20(i get 10 gal at a time and i> > > try to throw them some extra $ if i can.> > > as far as eggs go,i get them (all organic)for 1.25 a dozen and > that> > > not on the same farm

that i get the milk from,so it is quite a > busy> > > life trying to keep my children in healthy food,free from the fda> > > label.> > > blessings to you all!> > > and sorry for offending anyone!Jen> > >> > > > > >> > > Hi All,> > > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just need to> > do a> > > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I> > > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough> > milk to> > > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and> > the>

> > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is> > amazing> > > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,> > > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original> > customers> > > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,> > first> > > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not> > on> > > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others stroll> > in> > > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to crawl;-)> > > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be> > > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you all> > > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other farm> > > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away),

and wait> > until> > > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)> > > Happy New Year!> > >> >> >> >>PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com

[Guest guest]

Terri, but you're one of the folks who is willing to spend extra for

good food. That's the whole point. If you want =good= food, then

you can't be claiming that the cost of it is outrageous. Bad food is

cheap. If we want good food, most of us are probably going to have

to move some of our other budget into our food budget. But we can't

be comparing the prices of the stuff they sell down at the

supermarket to real food. It's not real food. It's CHEAP food.

That's its entire reason for being -- it's cheap to produce.

If a farmer needs to get $15/gallon for his milk, we can't be

whining. We either make the choice to buy it, or we don't. It's our

choice.

> That's because what they are selling as food really isn't. It is

> chemical and hormone filled junk. Now they are cloning meats for

> consumers. So real food is more expensive than it used to be. The

> stuff they sell at Wal-Mart can not in any sense of the word be

> classified as real food.

>

> Also the reason those numbers are so low is this is the same

> section of the govt that says " real food = BAD, raw milk = BAD, Our

> chemical enhanced, radiated food = GOOD " How many times have they

> fudged the paperwork and numbers to say that raw milk is a danger

> to society? I believe they did it again just this past week in a

> news report. They are going to make up any numbers they want to

> make these reports say exactly what they want them to say.

>

> Terri

>

> Val wrote:

>

> Teri-lee, but that's your personal income and choices that end with

> you spending that much. Different people make different incomes and

> different choices. The fact you personally spend more doesn't negate

> the fact that the average american is spending LESS of their income

> on food than ever. American food is cheaper than it's ever been.

>

>

>

>

> > Those stats mean nothing and are just that - numbers.

> >

> > I spend around 30 % of my income on my food budget which is my

> > second biggest expense next to my mortgage....

> >

> > - you by no means offended me btw and I too feel for your

> > situation as I have been down that road myself a few times - I will

> > keep you in my prayers.

> >

> > Teri

> >

> > -------------- Original message ----------------------

> > From: Val

> > > Jen, food was =more= expensive when you were younger, not cheaper.

> > > In 1950, the average American was paying over 20% of his

> disposable

> > > income for food. In 1960, 17%. In 1980 your parents were paying

> > > 13%. In 2006, Americans paid 9.9% of our disposable income for

> > > food. For people who eat all their meals at home, it's

> considerably

> > > lower. I'm very sorry you're losing your house and that your

> family

> > > is in worse shape than you were five years ago, but it's not

> because

> > > of relative food prices.

> > >

> > > Here's the USDA stats on it:

> > >

> > > http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/CPIFoodAndExpenditures/Data/

> > table7.htm

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi All,

> > > > I am sorry if i've offended anyone:( but with prices being so

> > high on

> > > > EVERYTHING now days i feel " raped " daily!not by the little guys

> > like

> > > > all ofm you.its the big corperate companies and the greedy

> > gov.! Im

> > > > remember when i was young things were alot different(and

> > cheaper)!(I

> > > > am 38)people(like us)were NOT loosing their houses(LIKE US)

> because

> > > > they had to choose between getting to work and paying their

> > mortage

> > > > (LIKE US)

> > > > things are soooo inflated!we COULD afford our house when we

> > bought it

> > > > it 5 yrs ago(and i was nursing 2 children,not working)now we

> cant

> > > > keep our heads above water and soon we will lose our home.So

> with

> > > > that being said,I do belive the farmers(like you)deserve what

> you

> > > > make on your milk and whatever else you sell but you would'nt

> > need to

> > > > charge so much if things were'nt so inflated in the first

> place by

> > > > the greedy ass's in office! Bless you all for sticking with it!

> > It is

> > > > a VERY hard job doing what you all do!

> > > > In reguards to the milk question: the milk i get is raw organic

> > milk

> > > > they are a very small company(25-30 cows)they have a contract

> w/a

> > > > company who comes and takes their milk every other day(along

> with

> > > > testing it of course)the facilities are VERY clean and they

> > work very

> > > > hard!husband does all the farming himself(w/the occasional help

> > from

> > > > the amish boy down the road)he has no other job! they tell me

> they

> > > > are happy to have my tax free $20(i get 10 gal at a time and i

> > > > try to throw them some extra $ if i can.

> > > > as far as eggs go,i get them (all organic)for 1.25 a dozen and

> > that

> > > > not on the same farm that i get the milk from,so it is quite a

> > busy

> > > > life trying to keep my children in healthy food,free from the

> fda

> > > > label.

> > > > blessings to you all!

> > > > and sorry for offending anyone!Jen

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi All,

> > > > Just wanted to get some feedback on this. I suppose I just

> need to

> > > do a

> > > > little venting on the subject. My favorite dairy farm, that I

> > > > originally bought my first real milk from, cannot produce enough

> > > milk to

> > > > keep up with the demand. It's a small farm with jersey cows and

> > > the

> > > > most delicious milk of any I've tried. The butterfat content is

> > > amazing

> > > > and they are fed an excellent diet, which shows in the milk. So,

> > > > naturally, I want their milk! They have a list of original

> > > customers

> > > > that the milk of the day goes to first and then it's first come,

> > > first

> > > > serve. I used to have no problem getting 4-5 jugs, since I'm not

> > > on

> > > > that list, but now, there is little chance. As I see others

> stroll

> > > in

> > > > the door that are on the coveted list, my skin starts to

> crawl;-)

> > > > Personally, since demand is so high, I think the list should be

> > > > abolished, so it's fair to all of it's customers. What do you

> all

> > > > think? In the meantime, I have to drive 2 hours to the other

> farm

> > > > (that also has high quality milk, yet is so far away), and wait

> > > until

> > > > the real milk bill passes in NJ, sigh;-)

> > > > Happy New Year!

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

>

> Archive search: http://onibasu.com

>

>

>

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I don't whine about the price that the farmer's choose to charge. Honestly I believe most of them undervalue themselves and their products. I agree, I am willing to pay extra. But I've also but it into a price/cost perspective. The price of the BAD food is cheap but the cost of the BAD food is more than this country can take. The cost is in health care, all those medical bills of diseases that can be avoided. Heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, etc..... These are disease that are in epidemic proportions and for those without medical ins, the cost of this is past on to the rest of us. But the price isn't really all that bad when doing a price comparison. A gal of Colberg milk is $5.50 a gal here and the raw milk at the health food store is $6.89. That's only a $1.39 cent extra to save me thousands in health care cost. A reg frying hen is $2.39 per lb and an organic frying hen

is $3.29 per lb, that's $.90 per lb to save me thousands in health care. And when it comes to the organic veggies, I've found them cheaper at the health food store than the chemically induced ones at the grocery store. My hubby and myself have been vocal enough about this when we do little "Honey" stops at our local grocery, that they have now started carrying some organic foods. We only spend about 17% of our income on food, but we do not eat out, and we still have the little nice comforts. We have the ungodly house payment on a 4 bedroom house, 2 cars, cable in 5 rooms of the house, DVR, high speed wireless internet on 2 computers, 3 phone lines coming into the house and the cell phones But we cook all our meals because when you eat out you eat the junky BAD food. Please do the comparison yourself. The real food, the GOOD food isn't really that much more than the bad.Terri in SCVal

wrote: Terri, but you're one of the folks who is willing to spend extra for good food. That's the whole point. If you want =good= food, then you can't be claiming that the cost of it is outrageous. Bad food is cheap. If we want good food, most of us are probably going to have to move some of our other budget into our food budget. But we can't be comparing the prices of the stuff they sell down at the supermarket to real food. It's not real food. It's CHEAP food. That's its entire reason for being -- it's cheap to produce.If a farmer needs to get $15/gallon for his milk, we can't be whining. We either make the choice to buy it, or we don't. It's our choice.

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People quite often

have no clue how to “throw together” a meal. Some meals take a lot

of time, many do not. Soak some beans and rice, throw the beans in a crockpot, slice

some veggies, and Viola! Easy meal quick.

Throw a roast in

the crockpot, scramble eggs or hamburger lightly, make some smoothies, none

are time consuming. It has little to do w/ real time.

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

-Margaret Mead

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of labelleacres

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008

7:53 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: dairy farm

in PA can't keep up with demand!

I don't have children but it seems that if you are too busy to eat

then something needs to be done, folks need to slow down a bit.

Just my two cents

Belinda

> Then I wonder how many in that so called survey are sitting in the

> drive through at Mcs how many times a week? I have a number of

> friends who eat at fast food restaurants more times each week than at

> home because both parents work full time and they need to get their

> kids to activities so there is no time to cook a decent meal.

[Guest guest]

People quite often

have no clue how to “throw together” a meal. Some meals take a lot

of time, many do not. Soak some beans and rice, throw the beans in a crockpot, slice

some veggies, and Viola! Easy meal quick.

Throw a roast in

the crockpot, scramble eggs or hamburger lightly, make some smoothies, none

are time consuming. It has little to do w/ real time.

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

-Margaret Mead

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of labelleacres

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008

7:53 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: dairy farm

in PA can't keep up with demand!

I don't have children but it seems that if you are too busy to eat

then something needs to be done, folks need to slow down a bit.

Just my two cents

Belinda

> Then I wonder how many in that so called survey are sitting in the

> drive through at Mcs how many times a week? I have a number of

> friends who eat at fast food restaurants more times each week than at

> home because both parents work full time and they need to get their

> kids to activities so there is no time to cook a decent meal.

[Guest guest]

, Like I mentioned many time before I grew up on a farm... My father's dream was to have a family farm and be self reliant... He ended up losing his farm... anyways, all that to say that I admire most farmers for their hard work & values....people in cities dont even know how to grow a carrot anymore... They will have a hard time if our economy collapses or worse... Yay!! for the genuine farmers!!! Marielisa shumack wrote: I

have been following this thread with alot of interest. We have dairy goats, 35 of them. It costs me $3,000 a year for good organic hay. (we only feed hay when the grass and fields are frozen.) It costs me $285 a month for my grain mix. Which excludes soy and corn. I live in PA. Truthfully If someone would offer me $2 a gallon for my goat milk, I would dump it in the field for fertilizer, before selling it for that price ! I have a lady who buys for her kennel dogs for $8 a gallon. Three more dairys in our area sold out their cows this year. It is sad, I work in town, and these people are so "out of it". I can't believe how STUPID they act. They follow the gov't advice like it's from the mouth of God. No one thinks for themselves. They are so wrapped up in "shopping" at the malls and talking on their "phones". They look at us farmers like we are some dirty germ they need to

clean up. How sad,, If they only knew that the meat and stuff they buy in the market are worse than any germ or poison. That, with each bite it is killing them slowly. I will stick with my raw foods,, sleep with my baby goats, and stink of manure. I will feed my little steer and piglets with my extra raw goats milk and will endure the looks of distain, and disgust. Knowing that at least MY children have learned that money and things, don't matter. That health and happiness go together. OK off the soap box....(smile) in PA Looking for last minute shopping deals?

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, Like I mentioned many time before I grew up on a farm... My father's dream was to have a family farm and be self reliant... He ended up losing his farm... anyways, all that to say that I admire most farmers for their hard work & values....people in cities dont even know how to grow a carrot anymore... They will have a hard time if our economy collapses or worse... Yay!! for the genuine farmers!!! Marielisa shumack wrote: I

have been following this thread with alot of interest. We have dairy goats, 35 of them. It costs me $3,000 a year for good organic hay. (we only feed hay when the grass and fields are frozen.) It costs me $285 a month for my grain mix. Which excludes soy and corn. I live in PA. Truthfully If someone would offer me $2 a gallon for my goat milk, I would dump it in the field for fertilizer, before selling it for that price ! I have a lady who buys for her kennel dogs for $8 a gallon. Three more dairys in our area sold out their cows this year. It is sad, I work in town, and these people are so "out of it". I can't believe how STUPID they act. They follow the gov't advice like it's from the mouth of God. No one thinks for themselves. They are so wrapped up in "shopping" at the malls and talking on their "phones". They look at us farmers like we are some dirty germ they need to

clean up. How sad,, If they only knew that the meat and stuff they buy in the market are worse than any germ or poison. That, with each bite it is killing them slowly. I will stick with my raw foods,, sleep with my baby goats, and stink of manure. I will feed my little steer and piglets with my extra raw goats milk and will endure the looks of distain, and disgust. Knowing that at least MY children have learned that money and things, don't matter. That health and happiness go together. OK off the soap box....(smile) in PA Looking for last minute shopping deals?

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Belinda, you know, that's another point to this that I hadn't thought

much about. People not only want their food cheap, they want to buy

it fast and easy. Not just convenience foods -- food obtained

conveniently. We're used to going into the supermarket, finding

everything we need (and being irritated if they're out of something)

loading up our carts, stopping at a register -- and god forbid

there's a line and we have to wait to check out, then we're pissed --

and being home putting stuff away an hour after we pulled into the

supermarket parking lot. And much of the food purchased can be

prepared with minimal effort -- it's already halfway prepared for us.

At the farmers market, which for most people will be further away

than the supermarket, we have to look at all the vendors. Some may

have one or two things we want, some others. Sometimes we have to

make a change in plan on the fly -- there's no spinach, but there's

kale. Some of the things we were hoping to find my be in short

supply or not there at all and we won't get any. We have to pay

several different vendors and sometimes make a few trips to the car.

Much of the food we bring home still needs at least a bit of thought

and work to turn into an actual meal. It's a time-consuming way to

feed ourselves, especially if we've gotten used to doing it the other

way and our meal-planning skills are rusty.

A lot of folks say they don't have time to shop this way. But as you

point out, a lot of those same folks are probably spending hours at

the mall shopping for other things.

That's these folks' choice. I'm not judging; to each his own. Every

one of us has to decide for ourselves what is important to us. We

all have busy lives in our own ways. But next time I hear someone

whining that they'd love to feed their family like I feed mine but

don't have the time to shop or cook real food, I'll see if I can't

find some way to open the subject of what other time-consuming

shopping they do.

Val

> It is sad that people aren't willing to pay for real food when we

> realize that real food would keep them real healthy. Even sadder is

> the fact the most women spend more time looking for a new pair of

> shoes or new dress than they do looking for healthy food.

>

> Belinda

>

[Guest guest]

Belinda, you know, that's another point to this that I hadn't thought

much about. People not only want their food cheap, they want to buy

it fast and easy. Not just convenience foods -- food obtained

conveniently. We're used to going into the supermarket, finding

everything we need (and being irritated if they're out of something)

loading up our carts, stopping at a register -- and god forbid

there's a line and we have to wait to check out, then we're pissed --

and being home putting stuff away an hour after we pulled into the

supermarket parking lot. And much of the food purchased can be

prepared with minimal effort -- it's already halfway prepared for us.

At the farmers market, which for most people will be further away

than the supermarket, we have to look at all the vendors. Some may

have one or two things we want, some others. Sometimes we have to

make a change in plan on the fly -- there's no spinach, but there's

kale. Some of the things we were hoping to find my be in short

supply or not there at all and we won't get any. We have to pay

several different vendors and sometimes make a few trips to the car.

Much of the food we bring home still needs at least a bit of thought

and work to turn into an actual meal. It's a time-consuming way to

feed ourselves, especially if we've gotten used to doing it the other

way and our meal-planning skills are rusty.

A lot of folks say they don't have time to shop this way. But as you

point out, a lot of those same folks are probably spending hours at

the mall shopping for other things.

That's these folks' choice. I'm not judging; to each his own. Every

one of us has to decide for ourselves what is important to us. We

all have busy lives in our own ways. But next time I hear someone

whining that they'd love to feed their family like I feed mine but

don't have the time to shop or cook real food, I'll see if I can't

find some way to open the subject of what other time-consuming

shopping they do.

Val

> It is sad that people aren't willing to pay for real food when we

> realize that real food would keep them real healthy. Even sadder is

> the fact the most women spend more time looking for a new pair of

> shoes or new dress than they do looking for healthy food.

>

> Belinda

>

[Guest guest]

Here's another perspective: I was watching the Travel channel (I just love watching these shows... I'm too broke to travel right now so.. ).... My favorite show is "Weird Food with Zimmerman" This guy travels all over the place and tastes everything, the weirder (to our standards) the better... It's very interesting to see how much fermented food and very healthy food are available in the streets in the asian countries especially. They have one little Kiosk after the other... right in the street... They say Eating out is a way of life... a little bit like here, but it is not controled big corporations, or silly laws... they are housewives, and "normal" people that have a special room in the back of their house they transform into a little mini restaurant... Everybody is too busy to cook, but the good food is still available and it is absolutely amazing to me the variety of food they have... unlike

here where you have a choice between a bigmac and a whoper when you are on the go... Food for the thoughtsVal wrote: Belinda, you know, that's another point to this that I hadn't thought much about. People not only want their food cheap, they want to buy it fast and easy. Not just convenience foods -- food obtained conveniently. We're used to going into the supermarket, finding everything we need (and being irritated if they're out of something) loading up our

carts, stopping at a register -- and god forbid there's a line and we have to wait to check out, then we're pissed -- and being home putting stuff away an hour after we pulled into the supermarket parking lot. And much of the food purchased can be prepared with minimal effort -- it's already halfway prepared for us.At the farmers market, which for most people will be further away than the supermarket, we have to look at all the vendors. Some may have one or two things we want, some others. Sometimes we have to make a change in plan on the fly -- there's no spinach, but there's kale. Some of the things we were hoping to find my be in short supply or not there at all and we won't get any. We have to pay several different vendors and sometimes make a few trips to the car. Much of the food we bring home still needs at least a bit of thought and work to turn into an actual meal. It's a time-consuming way to feed

ourselves, especially if we've gotten used to doing it the other way and our meal-planning skills are rusty.A lot of folks say they don't have time to shop this way. But as you point out, a lot of those same folks are probably spending hours at the mall shopping for other things.That's these folks' choice. I'm not judging; to each his own. Every one of us has to decide for ourselves what is important to us. We all have busy lives in our own ways. But next time I hear someone whining that they'd love to feed their family like I feed mine but don't have the time to shop or cook real food, I'll see if I can't find some way to open the subject of what other time-consuming shopping they do.Val> It is sad that people aren't willing to pay for real food when we> realize that real food would keep them real healthy. Even sadder is> the fact the

most women spend more time looking for a new pair of> shoes or new dress than they do looking for healthy food.>> Belinda>

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WONDER IF ANYBODY SAW THE 2020 STORY ABOUT EGGS THE BIG CHAIN STORES MOST OF THIER EGGS SIT IN A WAREHOUSE FOR UP TO 6 MOS. BEFORE THEY EVER HIT THE SHELFS SO MY EGGS ARE HIGHER THAN THE STORES SORRY FOR CAPSlabelleacres wrote: Wow! When I went from $1 to $1.25 last spring I lost a bunch ofcustomers. The ones who stayed will understand the jump to $1.50 andstick with me. I don't break even on eggs, I make my money sellingroosters and chicks. Chicks for $1 at a day old make my dozen worth$12. Incubator doesn't

cost that much to run and it's full from now tosometime in May or June, holds 18 dozen.Around here there is a feeling that my products should be cheaper thanWalMart. Don't know how it's figured but that's what I hear, "I canget that for .... at WalMart." Will admit to mumbling (and sometimesloudly) about Chinese poisons available at WalMart but not at mymarket table. <G> Ah well...season starts in March and I'm in a moodalready.Belinda> > . What is everyone paying for eggs???> > > >

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There is definitely

an attitude out there that looks at “price” over all else. Now

realize, these folks will also go into wal mart, and buy a lot more than the

eggs and milk, they will buy stuff that is unnecessary junk, because, quite

often, the eggs are loss leaders. Get people in and set up store to appeal to

impulse buyers.

My own sister, 8

miles away, buys “on sale” milk at Wal-Mart and freezes it for

later. She is penny wise and pound foolish.  Although she has kept chickens,

and loves farm fresh eggs, paying the extra buck fifty kills her. Her family

suffers from this. She is on 2 medicines for epilepsy, one kid w/ auspergers, 1

developmentally delayed w/ hearing loss, and one on anti-clotting drugs. Her 2

oldest are fine---they were not only better nourished, but born at home.

Can’t change

attitudes across the board.

I have a neighbor

who wants eggs occasionally, shops at Wal-Mart, and always eats at the mcd’s

there because the trip takes so long. So much trouble to go to farmers market—too

“expensive”. But always comes home w/ a lot of extra junk.

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

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From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of labelleacres

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008

8:19 AM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: dairy farm

in PA can't keep up with demand!

Wow! When I went from $1 to $1.25 last spring I lost a bunch of

customers. The ones who stayed will understand the jump to $1.50 and

stick with me. I don't break even on eggs, I make my money selling

roosters and chicks. Chicks for $1 at a day old make my dozen worth

$12. Incubator doesn't cost that much to run and it's full from now to

sometime in May or June, holds 18 dozen.

Around here there is a feeling that my products should be cheaper than

WalMart. Don't know how it's figured but that's what I hear, " I can

get that for .... at WalMart. " Will admit to mumbling (and sometimes

loudly) about Chinese poisons available at WalMart but not at my

market table. <G> Ah well...season starts in March and I'm in a mood

already.

Belinda

>

> . What is everyone paying for eggs???

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Greater supply at

better prices can be a win for consumers, but not always. Quality is also a

factor. One also has to factor in the issue of the businesses that will go down

if the supply chain is limited to the producer of greater supply. Just like the

corner store fills a niche, as do other less expansive businesses, the smaller

business is not necessarily the worst choice.

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

-Margaret Mead

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of b.coole

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008

9:51 AM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: dairy farm

in PA can't keep up with demand!

Gordon,

Your pricing scale will work as Capitalism intends it to work. You

will make money and therefore stay in business. People will see how

much you get for milk and think " I can do it as well and cheaper " .

They will try to compete with you. This will increase the supply of

real milk and it will lower prices. Maybe not to the level of factory

milk, but lower nonetheless.

Greater supply at better prices is a win for consumers.

[Guest guest]

Greater supply at

better prices can be a win for consumers, but not always. Quality is also a

factor. One also has to factor in the issue of the businesses that will go down

if the supply chain is limited to the producer of greater supply. Just like the

corner store fills a niche, as do other less expansive businesses, the smaller

business is not necessarily the worst choice.

www.Majesty Farm.com

" Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the

only thing that ever has. "

-Margaret Mead

From:

RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of b.coole

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008

9:51 AM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re: dairy farm

in PA can't keep up with demand!

Gordon,

Your pricing scale will work as Capitalism intends it to work. You

will make money and therefore stay in business. People will see how

much you get for milk and think " I can do it as well and cheaper " .

They will try to compete with you. This will increase the supply of

real milk and it will lower prices. Maybe not to the level of factory

milk, but lower nonetheless.

Greater supply at better prices is a win for consumers.

[Guest guest]

Belinda, sounds like customers in your area need some educating. Go

get a dozen Wal-Mart eggs and crack one on a plain white saucer with

one of yours on another saucer right next to it.

> Wow! When I went from $1 to $1.25 last spring I lost a bunch of

> customers. The ones who stayed will understand the jump to $1.50 and

> stick with me. I don't break even on eggs, I make my money selling

> roosters and chicks. Chicks for $1 at a day old make my dozen worth

> $12. Incubator doesn't cost that much to run and it's full from now to

> sometime in May or June, holds 18 dozen.

>

> Around here there is a feeling that my products should be cheaper than

> WalMart. Don't know how it's figured but that's what I hear, " I can

> get that for .... at WalMart. " Will admit to mumbling (and sometimes

> loudly) about Chinese poisons available at WalMart but not at my

> market table. <G> Ah well...season starts in March and I'm in a mood

> already.

>

> Belinda

>

>

> >

> > . What is everyone paying for eggs???

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Belinda, sounds like customers in your area need some educating. Go

get a dozen Wal-Mart eggs and crack one on a plain white saucer with

one of yours on another saucer right next to it.

> Wow! When I went from $1 to $1.25 last spring I lost a bunch of

> customers. The ones who stayed will understand the jump to $1.50 and

> stick with me. I don't break even on eggs, I make my money selling

> roosters and chicks. Chicks for $1 at a day old make my dozen worth

> $12. Incubator doesn't cost that much to run and it's full from now to

> sometime in May or June, holds 18 dozen.

>

> Around here there is a feeling that my products should be cheaper than

> WalMart. Don't know how it's figured but that's what I hear, " I can

> get that for .... at WalMart. " Will admit to mumbling (and sometimes

> loudly) about Chinese poisons available at WalMart but not at my

> market table. <G> Ah well...season starts in March and I'm in a mood

> already.

>

> Belinda

>

>

> >

> > . What is everyone paying for eggs???

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Scary thought though is that if all this keeps up wages are just not going

to enable people to eat healthy foods which I believe is a travesty.

Debbie Chikousky

Manitoba, Canada

gdchik@...

" The person who wants something will find a way.

The person who doesn't will find an excuse. "

Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

> The way I have it figured is that it should take about 3 dozen eggs

> to pay for a sack of feed. At that rate the chickens pay for their

> feed, kick in for the electricity to keep their coop warm & lit, &

> keep us in eggs (2-3 doz./wk). So in '04 when feed cost $9 - $10 a

> sack I charged $3.00 a dozen. Feed was up to $12-$13 a sack by '06 & I

> charged $4.00 a dozen. Now, thanks to ethanol hiking up the price of

> corn and $3.00/gal. gas hiking up everything else, I'm about to go to

> $5.00 a dozen to pay for feed that has gone up to $15-$16 for a 50-lb.

> sack. It sounds pretty shocking, but I do know that people in town

> (Anchorage) are already currently spending $6.00 for a dozen eggs at

> weekly farmers' markets, and eggs sell out early in the day -- yet

> another example of the growing number of consumers who are willing to

> pay more for fresher, locally grown food. Which up here is a plenty

> of a challenge for both producers and consumers!

>

> Suzy in AK

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Scary thought though is that if all this keeps up wages are just not going

to enable people to eat healthy foods which I believe is a travesty.

Debbie Chikousky

Manitoba, Canada

gdchik@...

" The person who wants something will find a way.

The person who doesn't will find an excuse. "

Re: dairy farm in PA can't keep up with demand!

> The way I have it figured is that it should take about 3 dozen eggs

> to pay for a sack of feed. At that rate the chickens pay for their

> feed, kick in for the electricity to keep their coop warm & lit, &

> keep us in eggs (2-3 doz./wk). So in '04 when feed cost $9 - $10 a

> sack I charged $3.00 a dozen. Feed was up to $12-$13 a sack by '06 & I

> charged $4.00 a dozen. Now, thanks to ethanol hiking up the price of

> corn and $3.00/gal. gas hiking up everything else, I'm about to go to

> $5.00 a dozen to pay for feed that has gone up to $15-$16 for a 50-lb.

> sack. It sounds pretty shocking, but I do know that people in town

> (Anchorage) are already currently spending $6.00 for a dozen eggs at

> weekly farmers' markets, and eggs sell out early in the day -- yet

> another example of the growing number of consumers who are willing to

> pay more for fresher, locally grown food. Which up here is a plenty

> of a challenge for both producers and consumers!

>

> Suzy in AK

>

>

>

> . What is everyone paying for eggs???

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