Re: cruel and unusual psychiatrists?

[Guest guest]

TO add to that previous post I just wrote, I have tried MANY times to just throw

her things away, it does not work! SHe simply refuses to go back into the space

where her things were which were thrown away-

Can anyone recommend anyone in the NYC area who is a sensitive and kind,

empathetic caring therapist who doesn't want to drag me down and criticize me as

this weak pushover, non authority parent who causes OCD and hoarding! I am not

any of those things.

>

> HI

> I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in

nyc, but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY

being told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

> please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

> it is horrible.

> Please help

> THanks

> YOffie

>

[Guest guest]

TO add to that previous post I just wrote, I have tried MANY times to just throw

her things away, it does not work! SHe simply refuses to go back into the space

where her things were which were thrown away-

Can anyone recommend anyone in the NYC area who is a sensitive and kind,

empathetic caring therapist who doesn't want to drag me down and criticize me as

this weak pushover, non authority parent who causes OCD and hoarding! I am not

any of those things.

>

> HI

> I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in

nyc, but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY

being told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

> please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

> it is horrible.

> Please help

> THanks

> YOffie

>

[Guest guest]

- I'm terribly sorry for how they're treating you - you do not deserve it

at all. You totally want what is best for your daughter and would move the

Brooklyn Bridge to do it. We get it!!

From my own inpatient experience with my son, at a non-OCD specialized hospital,

just regular adolescent psych, I know what you mean about the approach of, " Just

make them do it! " For us, because son's issue was contamination with home, I was

able to work with them in doing ERPs just by coming in with my husband (although

they never called it that) and they ended up being support staff for that. I can

imagine it's not that simple with your daughter. I mean, does she even hoard

there?

Are they actually treating the OCD? Or is it more just to keep her safe from

herself? Is she on meds that might be causing any of the issues? Can your

therapist help YOU with how to help your daughter?

(((hugs)))

Rhonda

cruel and unusual psychiatrists?

HI

I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in nyc,

but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY being

told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

it is horrible.

Please help

THanks

YOffie

[Guest guest]

- I'm terribly sorry for how they're treating you - you do not deserve it

at all. You totally want what is best for your daughter and would move the

Brooklyn Bridge to do it. We get it!!

From my own inpatient experience with my son, at a non-OCD specialized hospital,

just regular adolescent psych, I know what you mean about the approach of, " Just

make them do it! " For us, because son's issue was contamination with home, I was

able to work with them in doing ERPs just by coming in with my husband (although

they never called it that) and they ended up being support staff for that. I can

imagine it's not that simple with your daughter. I mean, does she even hoard

there?

Are they actually treating the OCD? Or is it more just to keep her safe from

herself? Is she on meds that might be causing any of the issues? Can your

therapist help YOU with how to help your daughter?

(((hugs)))

Rhonda

cruel and unusual psychiatrists?

HI

I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in nyc,

but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY being

told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

it is horrible.

Please help

THanks

YOffie

[Guest guest]

- I'm terribly sorry for how they're treating you - you do not deserve it

at all. You totally want what is best for your daughter and would move the

Brooklyn Bridge to do it. We get it!!

From my own inpatient experience with my son, at a non-OCD specialized hospital,

just regular adolescent psych, I know what you mean about the approach of, " Just

make them do it! " For us, because son's issue was contamination with home, I was

able to work with them in doing ERPs just by coming in with my husband (although

they never called it that) and they ended up being support staff for that. I can

imagine it's not that simple with your daughter. I mean, does she even hoard

there?

Are they actually treating the OCD? Or is it more just to keep her safe from

herself? Is she on meds that might be causing any of the issues? Can your

therapist help YOU with how to help your daughter?

(((hugs)))

Rhonda

cruel and unusual psychiatrists?

HI

I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in nyc,

but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY being

told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

it is horrible.

Please help

THanks

YOffie

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thanks for your response.

No they aren't helping me at all know how to deal with her, except to tell me I

must reward her to get her to school on time ( she is at the day treatment

school), which doesn't work ( which I am castigated for again), and that if she

doesn't' get to school on time they can't help her , and that if I don't throw

away her stuff they can't help her. There is a whole lot of very dysfunctional

blame going on here with the treatment program basically because I believe they

don't; really know how to help her or have the patience! SO they put it all on

ME!

Re: cruel and unusual psychiatrists?

- I'm terribly sorry for how they're treating you - you do not deserve it

at all. You totally want what is best for your daughter and would move the

Brooklyn Bridge to do it. We get it!!

From my own inpatient experience with my son, at a non-OCD specialized hospital,

just regular adolescent psych, I know what you mean about the approach of, " Just

make them do it! " For us, because son's issue was contamination with home, I was

able to work with them in doing ERPs just by coming in with my husband (although

they never called it that) and they ended up being support staff for that. I can

imagine it's not that simple with your daughter. I mean, does she even hoard

there?

Are they actually treating the OCD? Or is it more just to keep her safe from

herself? Is she on meds that might be causing any of the issues? Can your

therapist help YOU with how to help your daughter?

(((hugs)))

Rhonda

cruel and unusual psychiatrists?

HI

I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in nyc,

but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY being

told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

it is horrible.

Please help

THanks

YOffie

[Guest guest]

Hi! I'm so sorry that you are having such a hard time. Is there a reason that

your daughter is being treated at Bellevue vs. another place in NYC? I googled

other places for you and found this that looked interesting:

http://www.childmind.org/en/directory/clinicians/bubrickj

Hang in there! Things will get better.

cruel and unusual psychiatrists?

HI

I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in

nyc, but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY

being told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

it is horrible.

Please help

THanks

YOffie

[Guest guest]

Hi! I'm so sorry that you are having such a hard time. Is there a reason that

your daughter is being treated at Bellevue vs. another place in NYC? I googled

other places for you and found this that looked interesting:

http://www.childmind.org/en/directory/clinicians/bubrickj

Hang in there! Things will get better.

cruel and unusual psychiatrists?

HI

I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in

nyc, but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY

being told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

it is horrible.

Please help

THanks

YOffie

[Guest guest]

Yes im familiar with that place. Its extremely expensive and they take no

insurance.

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Jordana120@... wrote:

>Hi! I'm so sorry that you are having such a hard time. Is there a reason that

your daughter is being treated at Bellevue vs. another place in NYC? I googled

other places for you and found this that looked interesting:

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>http://www.childmind.org/en/directory/clinicians/bubrickj

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>Hang in there! Things will get better.

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>HI

>I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in

nyc, but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY

being told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

>please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

>it is horrible.

>Please help

>THanks

> YOffie

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[Guest guest]

Yes im familiar with that place. Its extremely expensive and they take no

insurance.

Sent from my Samsung Captivate on AT & T

Jordana120@... wrote:

>Hi! I'm so sorry that you are having such a hard time. Is there a reason that

your daughter is being treated at Bellevue vs. another place in NYC? I googled

other places for you and found this that looked interesting:

>

>http://www.childmind.org/en/directory/clinicians/bubrickj

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>Hang in there! Things will get better.

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> cruel and unusual psychiatrists?

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>HI

>I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in

nyc, but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY

being told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

>please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

>it is horrible.

>Please help

>THanks

> YOffie

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't have suggestions re treatment centres, I'm actually in Canada. But just

wanted to give you my empathy on this. I experienced similar

when our son was in a hospital day program. I remember feeling like I had

signed up to be repeatedly kicked in the head. I felt like I was losing my

mind, and would periodically blow and say things I regretted, but it was an

impossible situation. I was fighting for my child to have a life, we needed

help, could not cope at home, and they would say the most useless and/or

unhelpful things, having no clue what it was like to live with. I was also told

maybe I was the problem.

I sucked it up for our son's sake, because it was all that was available to us,

and truly hoped treatment for the OCD would eventually come, which it didn't.

Not only that, I believe it damaged any future treatment with any doctor, ever.

So, I cannot encourage you enough to seek an alternative, as you are doing. You

might make another post and put " looking for doctor/treatment centre " in NYC.

There are many on this board, someone must have ideas. Have you gone to the

ocfoundation.org website and used the " find a therapist " tool?

I don't know what is possible for you, but Storch has a centre in Florida,

where you can do intensive outpatient treatment for three weeks. Family can

stay at local Mac house. I have heard excellent feedback.

Hoarding is not easy to treat, and truly requires someone specialized in this

area. What treatment has your daughter received in the past? How did she end

up in this program? Just wondering if you can go back to the referring person

to discuss options perhaps, or any other doc you have had good rapport with.

Last thought. They should have a family advocate attached to the program who

you can appeal to, to address the treatment you are receiving, and to help you

know what steps you can take.

Hugs to you!

Barb

Canada

Son, 20, OCD, LD Plus

>

> HI

> I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in

nyc, but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY

being told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

> please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

> it is horrible.

> Please help

> THanks

> YOffie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't have suggestions re treatment centres, I'm actually in Canada. But just

wanted to give you my empathy on this. I experienced similar

when our son was in a hospital day program. I remember feeling like I had

signed up to be repeatedly kicked in the head. I felt like I was losing my

mind, and would periodically blow and say things I regretted, but it was an

impossible situation. I was fighting for my child to have a life, we needed

help, could not cope at home, and they would say the most useless and/or

unhelpful things, having no clue what it was like to live with. I was also told

maybe I was the problem.

I sucked it up for our son's sake, because it was all that was available to us,

and truly hoped treatment for the OCD would eventually come, which it didn't.

Not only that, I believe it damaged any future treatment with any doctor, ever.

So, I cannot encourage you enough to seek an alternative, as you are doing. You

might make another post and put " looking for doctor/treatment centre " in NYC.

There are many on this board, someone must have ideas. Have you gone to the

ocfoundation.org website and used the " find a therapist " tool?

I don't know what is possible for you, but Storch has a centre in Florida,

where you can do intensive outpatient treatment for three weeks. Family can

stay at local Mac house. I have heard excellent feedback.

Hoarding is not easy to treat, and truly requires someone specialized in this

area. What treatment has your daughter received in the past? How did she end

up in this program? Just wondering if you can go back to the referring person

to discuss options perhaps, or any other doc you have had good rapport with.

Last thought. They should have a family advocate attached to the program who

you can appeal to, to address the treatment you are receiving, and to help you

know what steps you can take.

Hugs to you!

Barb

Canada

Son, 20, OCD, LD Plus

>

> HI

> I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in

nyc, but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY

being told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

> please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

> it is horrible.

> Please help

> THanks

> YOffie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

No advice on therapists, just support. Parents should be a part of the treatment

team. Seek out the treatment you know your daughter needs and remember that

even experts aren't experts on everything.

The really good ones will admit to that.

(((L)))

Judy

[Guest guest]

That is SO frustrating!!!! How about calling Biobehavioral Institute in Great

Neck because they often do free research studies and then your daughter could

get free treatment. Also, try Columbia which has an anxiety disorder center.

Finally, in White Plains, Weill Cornell right across from the mall, has a great

anxiety disorder center for kids and they take insurance. Here's a link:

http://wo-pub2.med.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/PublicA.woa/4/wa/viewServiceSu\

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>HI

>I " ve been in this group for a few years now. My 12 year old daughter has OCD

with hoarding of garbage/raging. She is in treatment at Bellvue Hospital in

nyc, but I am very, very unhappy with the help we are getting. I am CONSTANTLY

being told that I am enabling her and that if I don't throw away her stuff and

constantly keep on throwing away her stuff I am simply an enabler. I find this

so condescending and vile as this is NOT the way to treat ocd/hoarding even

though another therapist is trying to do ERT and or CBT which she is very

resistant to. The psychiatrist is Dr. Alcera and the therapist is

Moscovitz.

>please help me, I leave there crying feeling horrible as though I have caused

and keep on causing her hoarding issues.

>it is horrible.

>Please help

>THanks

> YOffie

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[Guest guest]

It sure sounds to me like they are asking you to do the hard work, but aren't

giving any support at all to your daughter to work her way through it. I would

be enraged too! Did you check out the Florida program? Wonder if it might be

worth the time, travel, etc. - look what you're going through now anyway! Seems

like a big leap but you have lots of guts & could do it.

Rhonda

Re: cruel and unusual psychiatrists?