Re: Re: Menu posted for scrutiny

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I don't think there is any single rule. Everyone is different. But I have

both thyroid and adrenal problems and your diet is way to high in carbs for

me. Personally I eat quite frequently. I don't know how often because I am

home and I mostly just snack all day. But I do best with mostly meat and

veggies and very little starch or sugar including fruit. The more starch or

fruit I eat the more hungry I am. If is stick to mostly fats, protein and

veggies I don't have to eat as often. Also you might take a look and see if

you have food allergies. If you are eating food that you are allergic to,

that can cause blood sugar imbalances.

Hope this is of some help,

Irene

At 02:57 PM 12/28/2005, you wrote:

>I'm more confused now then ever. Maybe there is some book out there

>on how to eat for adrenal,thyroid problems. I always heard to eat

>every couple of hours small meals to keep your blood sugar on an

>even keel. More significantly if I don't eat this way I feel sick

>and other people have written on here that they feel the same way

>and have to carry food with them etc. I don't know how to segue

>into eating 3 meals a day.

>

>When I eat the sprouted grains in the morning the raw milk, I

>thought that was pretty balanced with fat, protein and carbs. Also,

>I sometimes eat the soaked oatmeal but I feel more satiated after

>eating something like sausage or some animal product which is why I

>have been doing eggs more often in the morning. Maybe I should do

>body ecology diet. I need something that tells me what I can eat

>instead of a big list of what I can't!

>

>any input is appreciated,

>

>

>

>

>-- In , " gdawson6 " <gdawson6@y...>

>wrote:

> >

> > Ya, more balanced meals will help. I have good amounts of properly

> > prepared whole grains (in various forms) with both of my meals,

>along

> > with lots of saturated fat (from butter, coconut oil), and some

>animal

> > products, and I don't get hungry for at least 5 hours. I only eat

>a

> > big breakfast and lunch, and sometimes eat a small snack for

>dinner. I

> > did use to be a ravenous eater and would snack constantly if

>something

> > sweet was around.

> >

> > If you want to snack, drink a lacto-fermented drink, something like

> > kombucha would work wonders here. It can bring up toxins, and you

>may

> > not feel that great but you certainly won't feel like eating again

> > right away. Beet Kvass would also be a great choice.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > I was reading in NT that if you are hypoglycemic you should

>have

> > > a

> > > > > > high fat diet and if you are hypothyroid you should

>restrict

> > > fat

> > > > > > some. What if you are both?

> > > > >

> > > > > K,

> > > > > Would you mind posting a few days sample menu of what you

>eat?

> > > > > We'd love to criticize, eh, comment.

> > > > > B.

> > > > >

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > I owe you big time for asking me to do this. The reason is

>looking

> > > > back on my food journal, I'm not eating as well as I could

>be. I

> > > > don't think I would have looked at it as critically as I have

>if

> > > not

> > > > asked to post it on here amongst people who score in the 99th

> > > > percentile of eating perfectly. I noticed I'm leaning toward

>sweet

> > > > things as much as I can sneak in (honey, macaroons, sometimes

> > > > worse. I " m also top heavy in eating more as the day goes on.

>I

> > > > definitely eat often (every 3 hours to stay sane) b/c of the

>blood

> > > > sugar thing.

> > > >

> > > > I " m not a great cook so I keep things very simple. Like I was

> > > using

> > > > sprouted tortillas for any variety of burrito type stuff you

>can

> > > > think of. I recently cut these out b/c I " m trying to

>eliminate all

> > > > wheat including sprouted wheat. Anyway here goes:

> > > >

> > > > Breakfast:1 bowl of sprouted cinnamon cereal (This is Lydia's

>bran

> > > > cereal which is mainly sprouted buckwheat or Quinoa) with raw

>milk

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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Oh yes, and I require a LOT of fat to keep my blood sugar stable.

Irene

At 03:22 PM 12/28/2005, you wrote:

>I don't think there is any single rule. Everyone is different. But I have

>both thyroid and adrenal problems and your diet is way to high in carbs for

>me. Personally I eat quite frequently. I don't know how often because I am

>home and I mostly just snack all day. But I do best with mostly meat and

>veggies and very little starch or sugar including fruit. The more starch or

>fruit I eat the more hungry I am. If is stick to mostly fats, protein and

>veggies I don't have to eat as often. Also you might take a look and see if

>you have food allergies. If you are eating food that you are allergic to,

>that can cause blood sugar imbalances.

>

>Hope this is of some help,

>Irene

>

>

>At 02:57 PM 12/28/2005, you wrote:

> >I'm more confused now then ever. Maybe there is some book out there

> >on how to eat for adrenal,thyroid problems. I always heard to eat

> >every couple of hours small meals to keep your blood sugar on an

> >even keel. More significantly if I don't eat this way I feel sick

> >and other people have written on here that they feel the same way

> >and have to carry food with them etc. I don't know how to segue

> >into eating 3 meals a day.

> >

> >When I eat the sprouted grains in the morning the raw milk, I

> >thought that was pretty balanced with fat, protein and carbs. Also,

> >I sometimes eat the soaked oatmeal but I feel more satiated after

> >eating something like sausage or some animal product which is why I

> >have been doing eggs more often in the morning. Maybe I should do

> >body ecology diet. I need something that tells me what I can eat

> >instead of a big list of what I can't!

> >

> >any input is appreciated,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >-- In , " gdawson6 " <gdawson6@y...>

> >wrote:

> > >

> > > Ya, more balanced meals will help. I have good amounts of properly

> > > prepared whole grains (in various forms) with both of my meals,

> >along

> > > with lots of saturated fat (from butter, coconut oil), and some

> >animal

> > > products, and I don't get hungry for at least 5 hours. I only eat

> >a

> > > big breakfast and lunch, and sometimes eat a small snack for

> >dinner. I

> > > did use to be a ravenous eater and would snack constantly if

> >something

> > > sweet was around.

> > >

> > > If you want to snack, drink a lacto-fermented drink, something like

> > > kombucha would work wonders here. It can bring up toxins, and you

> >may

> > > not feel that great but you certainly won't feel like eating again

> > > right away. Beet Kvass would also be a great choice.

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > I was reading in NT that if you are hypoglycemic you should

> >have

> > > > a

> > > > > > > high fat diet and if you are hypothyroid you should

> >restrict

> > > > fat

> > > > > > > some. What if you are both?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > K,

> > > > > > Would you mind posting a few days sample menu of what you

> >eat?

> > > > > > We'd love to criticize, eh, comment.

> > > > > > B.

> > > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > I owe you big time for asking me to do this. The reason is

> >looking

> > > > > back on my food journal, I'm not eating as well as I could

> >be. I

> > > > > don't think I would have looked at it as critically as I have

> >if

> > > > not

> > > > > asked to post it on here amongst people who score in the 99th

> > > > > percentile of eating perfectly. I noticed I'm leaning toward

> >sweet

> > > > > things as much as I can sneak in (honey, macaroons, sometimes

> > > > > worse. I " m also top heavy in eating more as the day goes on.

> >I

> > > > > definitely eat often (every 3 hours to stay sane) b/c of the

> >blood

> > > > > sugar thing.

> > > > >

> > > > > I " m not a great cook so I keep things very simple. Like I was

> > > > using

> > > > > sprouted tortillas for any variety of burrito type stuff you

> >can

> > > > > think of. I recently cut these out b/c I " m trying to

> >eliminate all

> > > > > wheat including sprouted wheat. Anyway here goes:

> > > > >

> > > > > Breakfast:1 bowl of sprouted cinnamon cereal (This is Lydia's

> >bran

> > > > > cereal which is mainly sprouted buckwheat or Quinoa) with raw

> >milk

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > >

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On 12/28/05, crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

> I'm more confused now then ever. Maybe there is some book out there

> on how to eat for adrenal,thyroid problems. I always heard to eat

> every couple of hours small meals to keep your blood sugar on an

> even keel. More significantly if I don't eat this way I feel sick

> and other people have written on here that they feel the same way

> and have to carry food with them etc. I don't know how to segue

> into eating 3 meals a day.

Hi ,

While I don't have a specific answer for your situation, if Heidi (who

is no longer on this list, probably cuz of me, lol) can make the

transition from many meals a day to the Warrior Diet, which involves

only one meal a day, and get rid of her *terrible* blood sugar

problems, there is hope for you yet. She is not the only one either

that was able to resolve that problem through WD'ing.

I would suggest you read Mastering Leptin or The Warrior Diet or both

to see if you might not find some help there. Caution: The WD is

generally not for dainty eaters.

--

Life isn't static. People change. Circumstances

change. What may have been true six months

or a year ago may no longer be true now.

Maybe a loved one got sick and died at a

tender age...Maybe they ran into an old high

school buddy who still looks great...At any rate

what they couldn't hear before rings true to them

now. So don't despair. Stick to the task. You will

eventually find yourself surrounded by people who

do care about good food and see it as a

legitimate avenue to great health.

Winning the War on Good Food

http://www.warongoodfood.com

[Guest guest]

On 12/28/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

> ,

> Ooh, I'm top-posting.

I wouldn't sweat it. I'm the only person I know on this list who has

openly complained about top posting on a regular basis, and since I'm

pretty much not worth the trouble, top post away.

> So I'm wondering how big a serving the sausage entry comprised and if

> the lack of meat is an economic, ethical, or simple distaste,

> situation. Oh, wait, you mentioned food-combining, which I also

> practice,

Unbelievable. Well I guess miracles never cease. Somebody on this list

actually practices food combining. Wow. That little revelation is

almost enough to make me stay on this list rather than unsubscribing.

Almost - but not quite.

<snip>

> (And if anyone wants to criticize my food-combining let

> me qualify by saying I find it more practical and economical than

> buying and taking various and sundry enzyme capsules which would be

> necessary for me imo if I mixed all those foods together in one meal.

> Cha! At some point, I presume, my digestion will be fierce enough to

> enable me to eat whatever in whatever combination appeals to me, but

> not yet.)

On more than one occasion I have mentioned food combining for both

weight loss and digestive efficiency, as an alternative to some of the

supplement/enzyme micromanaging I see at times on this list. Doesn't

seem to ring a bell with anyone. Until now.

Thanks B. Now like Simon of the New Testament, I can now depart in peace.

--

Life isn't static. People change. Circumstances

change. What may have been true six months

or a year ago may no longer be true now.

Maybe a loved one got sick and died at a

tender age...Maybe they ran into an old high

school buddy who still looks great...At any rate

what they couldn't hear before rings true to them

now. So don't despair. Stick to the task. You will

eventually find yourself surrounded by people who

do care about good food and see it as a

legitimate avenue to great health.

Winning the War on Good Food

http://www.warongoodfood.com

[Guest guest]

On 12/28/05, cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...> wrote:

> Hey you reminded me that I tried food combining too! but it

> was before NT prep of grains and I never, ever could get my system

> stable on it. I kept screwing up the time intervals and amounts and

> what not. Also I think I was overdoing it on grains, dairy, and

> fruit, based on what I eat now and feel great on. Oh well. There

> probably is a way to do it but I never found it.

>

> Connie

Pretty easy to WAPify a food combining approach, whether you are

strict about it or follow one of the more " loose " food combining

approaches.

Unless you have severe digestive issues, I think the very strict

approach is unnecessary. I also think the higher the quality of food

and/or the closer you get to mostly raw, the less of a need for it.

But most folks, including those on this list, don't eat very high

quality foods, and the raw only crowd is the fringe of a fringe of a

fringe, i.e. a very small crowd.

--

Life isn't static. People change. Circumstances

change. What may have been true six months

or a year ago may no longer be true now.

Maybe a loved one got sick and died at a

tender age...Maybe they ran into an old high

school buddy who still looks great...At any rate

what they couldn't hear before rings true to them

now. So don't despair. Stick to the task. You will

eventually find yourself surrounded by people who

do care about good food and see it as a

legitimate avenue to great health.

Winning the War on Good Food

http://www.warongoodfood.com

[Guest guest]

I didn't know there was a standard for where to put your reply! My email

thingy always puts my reply at the top so that's where I leave it, I hope

that isn't offensive!! Micheal, I second , please don't go! I've

always enjoyed your imput! C'mon, group hug!

On 12/29/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

>

> ,

> Do you need a hug?

> Why are you leaving? We don't want you to leave. Look, I'm even

> bottom-posting for effect.

> B.

--

Mrs. () Siemens

Blessed to be his helpmeet, 6 years and counting!!!

Mommy to Zack (5) and Liddy (21 months)

no fear, only faith; no guilt, only grace; no pride, only praise; no claim,

only Christ

[Guest guest]

-

>That little revelation is

>almost enough to make me stay on this list rather than unsubscribing.

>Almost - but not quite.

That seems rather out passive-aggressive for you.

>Now like Simon of the New Testament, I can now depart in peace.

Have you ever seen Buñuel's " Simon of the Desert " ?

-

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>Hi ,

>

>While I don't have a specific answer for your situation, if Heidi (who

>is no longer on this list, probably cuz of me, lol) can make the

>transition from many meals a day to the Warrior Diet, which involves

>only one meal a day, and get rid of her *terrible* blood sugar

>problems, there is hope for you yet. She is not the only one either

>that was able to resolve that problem through WD'ing.

>

>

>

>

Yes, following Heidi's experience I did the same - fixed my blood sugar

issues with the WD. The first 2 or 3 days are fairly difficult, but

then it's cake from there. It's also nice not to have to worry about

fixing so many meals throughout the day.

One caveat, apparently his book has become pretty commercial - I've

never read it myself, just sort of picked up the idea from conversations

here. I don't think you have to be a huge eater for it to be

successful. I've never eaten near what could consume in an

evening! LOL.

Steph

P.S. , please don't leave!! You're such a great part of this

group. Plus, would have one less guy to flirt with and that's

one of my favorite things about this group. :-D

[Guest guest]

downwardog7 wrote:

> For liver, I don't know how

>ya wanna get it down, but it's very powerful, and one of my own secret

>weapons, learned the hard way, mind you.

>

>

> B.

>

>

>

I thaw a pound of liver slightly, cut it into small pieces and fill ice

cube trays and freeze them. Each " ice cube " equals about 2 Tbsp. Then,

I take one out every other day or so, let it thaw, and blend it up in

watered down juice (grape juice works best to hide the taste). Works

great, and no yucky liver taste!

Steph

[Guest guest]

crayfishfeed wrote:

> Before I started WAP eating with all the fat,

>I was very lean and muscular. I started putting on more fat and i

>always wondered if that's just how it is when you eat fat and of

>course it's better to be healthier or was this just, in fact, the

>same time that my thyroid was quitting on me so my metabolism was

>slowing down. If anyone is still reading this after all my

>meanderings I'm curious about other people's experiences when they

>switched over.

>

>

>

It's not the fat, IMO. I've been eating tons more fat and have lost

weight. Like said, it seems to be related more to carbs. We did

Maker's Diet (which is NT based) and I started to lose weight. Then,

giving up gluten and dairy because of allergies took off more weight.

Doing SCD melted off the last 5 pounds and my weight has stabilized - at

a point lower than I ever thought I'd be again!

A number of people who gave up gluten, but didn't want to consider

problems with dairy (especially with NT's huge emphasis on it) found

that it did have an effect on their weight. Many more of us have

problems with dairy than would like to admit. :-(

Steph

[Guest guest]

On 12/29/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

> and since I'm

> > pretty much not worth the trouble, top post away...

>

> ...almost enough to make me stay on this list rather than unsubscribing.

> > Almost - but not quite.

>

> > ...On more than one occasion I have mentioned food combining for both

> > weight loss and digestive efficiency, as an alternative to some of the

> > supplement/enzyme micromanaging I see at times on this list. Doesn't

> > seem to ring a bell with anyone. Until now.

> >

> ...I can now depart in peace.

>

> ,

> Do you need a hug?

B,

Hugs are always welcome, even the cyber kind.

> Why are you leaving?

Cuz I really just don't have the time anymore. When I first got on the

many and varied lists that have occuppied my attention in the past, I

was sitting at a computer or on the phone for a good chunk of the day.

That is no longer true.

Second, even when I have the time, it just takes up too much time. If

you saw my draft folder you would break out in laughter (or tears).

Many many posts that never made it to the lists. Don't get me wrong. I

enjoy the lists and NN is my favorite list, but it takes time and

effort to respond, especially back in the off-topic heyday. I simply

don't have it anymore.

I have five major goals I want to accomplish in 2006. They dominate my

thoughts and energy, and several of them will require an effort I

haven't had to put forth in years. Unfortunately the lists, at least

this year, won't help me move towards their accomplishment. Thousands

of emails in my inbox are a potential hindrance not a help, at least

for me.

That is not to say I won't be back. I have learned lots and this tends

to be the only outlet I have these days for friendly (for the most

part) back and forth and to sharpen my thinking skills. But it won't

be any time soon. And even that has waned as many of the lists, except

for the overtly political and religious ones I'm involved in, have

owners/moderators who have become what I describe as " cyber nannies " ,

essentially stopping any serious interaction over issues where people

might genuinely disagree. Imagine what NN would be like if everything

that didn't quite seem right nutritionally *at first glance* was

banned from this list. It would be pretty tame and boring.

> We don't want you to leave.

Well thanks for the sentiment. I have been slowly unsubscribing from

the lists. I'm down to about 5. I don't plan on being fully

unsubscribed until Christmas, which for me is January 6.

But while the reason stated above applies to all my lists, including

NN, there is one additional private reason I would be leaving NN

anyway, even if the above were not true, that does not apply to any

other list I was/am on, including Beyond Price, ChapterLeaders, and

any other NN related list.

> Look, I'm even

> bottom-posting for effect.

> B.

You are too funny. I'll miss that too.

Happy New Year!

--

Life isn't static. People change. Circumstances

change. What may have been true six months

or a year ago may no longer be true now.

Maybe a loved one got sick and died at a

tender age...Maybe they ran into an old high

school buddy who still looks great...At any rate

what they couldn't hear before rings true to them

now. So don't despair. Stick to the task. You will

eventually find yourself surrounded by people who

do care about good food and see it as a

legitimate avenue to great health.

Winning the War on Good Food

http://www.warongoodfood.com

[Guest guest]

On 12/29/05, Siemens <mandamom2many@...> wrote:

> I didn't know there was a standard for where to put your reply! My email

> thingy always puts my reply at the top so that's where I leave it, I hope

> that isn't offensive!! Micheal, I second , please don't go! I've

> always enjoyed your imput! C'mon, group hug!

Thanks !

Yes I have a standard post regarding list etiquette that I have posted

a few times to this list, and others have posted as well.

take care,

--

Life isn't static. People change. Circumstances

change. What may have been true six months

or a year ago may no longer be true now.

Maybe a loved one got sick and died at a

tender age...Maybe they ran into an old high

school buddy who still looks great...At any rate

what they couldn't hear before rings true to them

now. So don't despair. Stick to the task. You will

eventually find yourself surrounded by people who

do care about good food and see it as a

legitimate avenue to great health.

Winning the War on Good Food

http://www.warongoodfood.com

[Guest guest]

On 12/29/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> -

>

> >That little revelation is

> >almost enough to make me stay on this list rather than unsubscribing.

> >Almost - but not quite.

>

> That seems rather out passive-aggressive for you.

You mean like your final interaction with Heidi? :-)

Naw, it seems you missed my point. St. Simeon (not St. Simeon the

Stylite of whom you refer to below and is hardly known in the West)

was an old man at the time of Christ birth, and had prayed and waited

all his life to see the incarnation of the Savior:

And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and

the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of

Israel; and the Holy Ghost was upon him. And it was revealed unto him

by the Holy Ghost that he should not see death before he had seen the

Lord's Christ. And he came by the Spirit into the temple; and when the

parents brought in the child Jesus to do for Him after the custom of

the law, then he took Him up in his arms, and blessed God and said,

" Lord, now lettest Thou Thy servant depart in peace, according to Thy word;

for mine eyes have seen Thy salvation, which Thou hast prepared before

the face of all people, a light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory

of Thy people Israel. "

Luke 2:25-32

_____

What I meant by that biblical illusion is that one of the reasons I

have stayed on many of the lists, even when I should have long

departed from some of the more funkier ones, is that you never know

when some nugget or gem will show up that will enrich your health,

improve your nutrition and sometimes even change your life. My

reference to B's revelation that food combining lives was just

an example of a little nugget that makes it hard to leave the lists,

especially this one.

> >Now like Simon of the New Testament, I can now depart in peace.

>

> Have you ever seen Buñuel's " Simon of the Desert " ?

Nope, but it would be interesting to see a treatment of an early

Orthodox saint who is largely unknown in the west, by someone who was

a western atheist and rabidly anti-catholic.

I understand why Bunuel might chose him as a subject but unfortunately

he (Bunuel) was raised in and rejected an apostate form of

Christianity, one that during his lifetime had long since departed

from any real connection to monasticism, so I doubt he covers

St.Simeon the Stylite say in the manner that the Orthodox Church's

Lives of the Saints would.

--

Life isn't static. People change. Circumstances

change. What may have been true six months

or a year ago may no longer be true now.

Maybe a loved one got sick and died at a

tender age...Maybe they ran into an old high

school buddy who still looks great...At any rate

what they couldn't hear before rings true to them

now. So don't despair. Stick to the task. You will

eventually find yourself surrounded by people who

do care about good food and see it as a

legitimate avenue to great health.

Winning the War on Good Food

http://www.warongoodfood.com

[Guest guest]

On 12/29/05, Steph <gasteph7@...> wrote:

> Steph

> P.S. , please don't leave!! You're such a great part of this

> group. Plus, would have one less guy to flirt with and that's

> one of my favorite things about this group. :-D

Yeah and its fun being on the other end of that ;-)

--

Life isn't static. People change. Circumstances

change. What may have been true six months

or a year ago may no longer be true now.

Maybe a loved one got sick and died at a

tender age...Maybe they ran into an old high

school buddy who still looks great...At any rate

what they couldn't hear before rings true to them

now. So don't despair. Stick to the task. You will

eventually find yourself surrounded by people who

do care about good food and see it as a

legitimate avenue to great health.

Winning the War on Good Food

http://www.warongoodfood.com

[Guest guest]

,

>Cuz I really just don't have the time anymore. When I first got on the

>many and varied lists that have occuppied my attention in the past, I

>was sitting at a computer or on the phone for a good chunk of the day.

>That is no longer true.

>

Your reasons for leaving are very understandable. May you have all you

wish for in the coming year. It will be nice to hear from you again

when you have the time, ability and interest.

All the best,

Deanna

[Guest guest]

-

>I always heard to eat

>every couple of hours small meals to keep your blood sugar on an

>even keel.

Yeah, that's the standard medical advice, but it's what we in the

field call a HORRENDOUSLY bad idea.

>More significantly if I don't eat this way I feel sick

>and other people have written on here that they feel the same way

>and have to carry food with them etc. I don't know how to segue

>into eating 3 meals a day.

I already alluded to this, but I'll elaborate a bit: eat more fat,

cut back on the carbs, maybe eat more at a single meal, perhaps try

digestive supplements, make sure to get enough protein, and don't try

to change all at once.

>When I eat the sprouted grains in the morning the raw milk, I

>thought that was pretty balanced with fat, protein and carbs.

There's just not that much protein in a little raw milk, and you're

overloading the carbs ridiculously.

>I need something that tells me what I can eat

>instead of a big list of what I can't!

Foods you should eat: any (healthy) animal food you like, non-starchy

vegetables, berries, etc. Starchy and sugary foods are going to jerk

your blood sugar levels around like a Richter scale during an

earthquake. But don't make the mistake of concentrating on lean

animal foods. That won't help.

-

[Guest guest]

Connie-

>I'd recommend " Mastering Leptin " if you want a " just eat this " book.

>It talks about healing adrenal and thyroid along with all the other

>hormonal imbalances.

I'm afraid I have to disagree, at least up to a point. _Mastering

Leptin_ is TERRIBLE as a guide of what to eat. Despite recommending

cutting carbs at least somewhat, it advocates all sorts of terribly

over-carbed meals for people who have these sorts of problems, and of

course it's not exactly the definitive reference on nutrition, to say

the least.

It's a very useful book, but it requires a lot of careful evaluation

and filtering. It's not at all a one-stop reference.

-

[Guest guest]

-

>What I see lacking--and forgot to mention--is liver and coconut.

>Liver is a terrific way to level mood swings/blood sugar crashes and

>coconut oil keeps one steadily-fueled.

What leads you to say that about liver? I find that since it's so

lean, it has virtually no sating effect. By the time I finish my

half pound of raw liver to open my post-workout meal, I'm generally

quite eager to get onto the rest of the food I'll be

eating. Nutritionally speaking, of course, it has long-term positive

effects on mood and health and energy, but I get the impression

you're referring to something else.

CO, being saturated fat, is certainly helpful for providing stable

energy, though.

-

[Guest guest]

-

> > That seems rather out passive-aggressive for you.

>

>You mean like your final interaction with Heidi? :-)

No, my final interaction on this list with Heidi was aggressive and

upfront. Though I'm no more perfect than anyone else, I do at least

strive to say what I mean in a straightforward fashion. (BTW, sorry

about the stray " out " . I edited down my response from a much longer

version and unfortunately missed deleting a word.)

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[Guest guest]

On 1/2/06, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> -

>

> > > That seems rather out passive-aggressive for you.

> >

> >You mean like your final interaction with Heidi? :-)

>

> No, my final interaction on this list with Heidi was aggressive and

> upfront. Though I'm no more perfect than anyone else, I do at least

> strive to say what I mean in a straightforward fashion. (BTW, sorry

> about the stray " out " . I edited down my response from a much longer

> version and unfortunately missed deleting a word.)

No apology necessary, but while you might have missed the

biblical/cultural allusion I was making (which in this day and age is

not uncommon), I dare say I am rarely if ever unclear or indirect in

my posts. In fact I have been told on numerous occasions by one person

in particular on this list that I am too direct.

--

Life isn't static. People change. Circumstances

change. What may have been true six months

or a year ago may no longer be true now.

Maybe a loved one got sick and died at a

tender age...Maybe they ran into an old high

school buddy who still looks great...At any rate

what they couldn't hear before rings true to them

now. So don't despair. Stick to the task. You will

eventually find yourself surrounded by people who

do care about good food and see it as a

legitimate avenue to great health.

Winning the War on Good Food

http://www.warongoodfood.com

[Guest guest]

On 12/31/05, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

>

> > ...But...there is one additional private reason I would be leaving NN

> > anyway, even if the above were not true, that does not apply to any

> > other list I was/am on, including Beyond Price, ChapterLeaders, and

> > any other NN related list...

>

> ,

> You are such a teaser.

> B.

Oh Miss Blazey, little do you know. And I don't need a gaussmeter either.

--

Life isn't static. People change. Circumstances

change. What may have been true six months

or a year ago may no longer be true now.

Maybe a loved one got sick and died at a

tender age...Maybe they ran into an old high

school buddy who still looks great...At any rate

what they couldn't hear before rings true to them

now. So don't despair. Stick to the task. You will

eventually find yourself surrounded by people who

do care about good food and see it as a

legitimate avenue to great health.

Winning the War on Good Food

http://www.warongoodfood.com

[Guest guest]

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>I need no B supplements and since I've lately been training with

>different people instead of alone I've discovered I display an

>impressive stamina.

I doubt I have anything like " impressive " stamina, sadly, but liver

definitely has a huge positive effect on stamina (including mine), as

that rat study that's been posted here a few times demonstrates. I

was just surprised to hear you say it helps with satiation.

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[Guest guest]

On 12/29/05, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

> Unbelievable. Well I guess miracles never cease. Somebody on this list

> actually practices food combining. Wow.

> On more than one occasion I have mentioned food combining for both

> weight loss and digestive efficiency, as an alternative to some of the

> supplement/enzyme micromanaging I see at times on this list. Doesn't

> seem to ring a bell with anyone. Until now.

I suppose I have declared myself in favor of a certain sort of

food-combining: I have remarked several times in the past that I

prefer to take dairy alone, and especially not within the proximity of

other starches, in particular potatoes.

Chris

--

Dioxins in Animal Foods:

A Case For Vegetarianism?

Find Out the Truth:

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html

[Guest guest]

On 1/4/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> On 12/29/05, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

>

> > Unbelievable. Well I guess miracles never cease. Somebody on this list

> > actually practices food combining. Wow.

>

> > On more than one occasion I have mentioned food combining for both

> > weight loss and digestive efficiency, as an alternative to some of the

> > supplement/enzyme micromanaging I see at times on this list. Doesn't

> > seem to ring a bell with anyone. Until now.

>

> I suppose I have declared myself in favor of a certain sort of

> food-combining: I have remarked several times in the past that I

> prefer to take dairy alone, and especially not within the proximity of

> other starches, in particular potatoes.

>

> Chris

Dairy and potatoes is one of the combinations that Ayurveda advises

against. I've noticed quite a few of those combinations that they

list to be bad for me and for other people. Dairy and potatoes was

one, along with melons and dairy (yogurt, for me). The latter really

bugged my stomach, and only later did I find out that an old tradition

saw it as problematic.

If you're curious, there's a short list here (PDF):

http://www.ayurveda.com/online%20resource/food_combining.pdf

I'm sure there are other more extensive lists, but that one is from a

source I know to be reputable. YMMV, etc.