Re: Menu posted for scrutiny

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>

> > >Breakfast:1 bowl of sprouted cinnamon cereal (This is Lydia's

bran

> > >cereal which is mainly sprouted buckwheat or Quinoa) with raw

milk

> >

> > Unfortunately, not good for a hypoglycemic! (Maybe not good for

> > anyone, but that's getting into a separate argument.)

>

> , I know this meal got the most criticism but what is the

> difference b/w sprouted buckwheat and ,say, oatmeal? A few people

> have suggested oatmeal to me for breakfast and that it keeps them

> full, etc. I've heard Sally Fallon say this too. Doesn't that

have

> a lot of carbs too? Or maybe there's another reason you are

against

> the sprouted buckwheat.

>

> > >Lunch: turkey/chicken sausages

> >

> > Why turkey/chicken and not pork?

>

> I'm getting applegate organic sausages from wild oats and these

are

> the choices.

>

>

> I wish I had read your comments to Connie before I ordered

Mastering

> Leptin. I was really excited to get it. She was the one that

> really pointed out to me that I shouldn't be snacking. I have

been

Here I am again, responding to you and about Mastering Leptin.

says it recommends g**awful carbs.. You don't have to have as

much as s says, just the timing to give it a rest between

meals is critical. I still think it's a good place to start and you

have to experiment to find your groove anyway.

Interestingly, I noticed that both s (Mastering Leptin) and

Sears (Zone) recommend matching volume protein and starchy carbs by

the eyeball method for beginners. Personally, I do better with less

starch, but when I was first learning meal composition and timing,

that would have worked for me.

What didn't work was the standard go-from-unstable-blood-sugar to

meat-leaves-berries, even frequently. (and of course I tried that)

The transition was too great - I didn't have the biochem machinery

to support the switch and I'm not impressed with the school of

thought that shocking the body, withdrawal symptoms, and

nausea/headaches is heroic and shows how tough I am. Feh. I prefer

incremental growth at the speed of healthy growing things -

including transitioning from a diet that's not working to one that

fits better.

Connie

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K,

> , I know this meal got the most criticism but what is the

> difference b/w sprouted buckwheat and ,say, oatmeal? A few people

> have suggested oatmeal to me for breakfast and that it keeps them

> full, etc. I've heard Sally Fallon say this too. Doesn't that have

> a lot of carbs too? Or maybe there's another reason you are against

> the sprouted buckwheat.

It's not that it's buckwheat/oatmeal, it's that it's a high carb-load.

The carbs are countered only by a mere cup of $15 milk. The whole

thing is high-glycemic and fortells a crash. While it is--arguably,

to --made up of wholesome ingredients, it's--inarguably--a lousy

way for a hypoglycemic to start the day. Re: Sally Fallon's oatmeal,

don't forget she adds a half-cup of butter to it. Eat your buckwheat

soused in heavy cream and you just might get some respect from Idol.

> I'm getting applegate organic sausages from wild oats and these are

> the choices.

These sausages are low-fat to appease the general consumer demand. So

you would need to make up for that elsewhere in the meal.

> I wish I had read your comments to Connie before I ordered Mastering

> Leptin. I was really excited to get it. She was the one that

> really pointed out to me that I shouldn't be snacking. I have been

> trying to go longer without eating and today I went 5 hours b/w

> breakfast and lunch. I didn't mean to go that long but I didn't

> have snacks with me. Let me tell you something, you aren't joking

> about starting slow. My knees were knocking...Also on Saturday I

> was trying to go longer in b/w meals and I started feeling sick and

> drank coconut milk and then I had an asian pear. I did't feel that

> great. I know you say sat. fats but for me protein makes me feel

> better.

Sweetness, please organize some snacks. Also, allow yourself *all the

time you need* to adjust. The goal AFAIK is to stabilize the blood

sugar through nutrition in order to reduce the meal frequency. That's

it. No need to suffer or get all hardcore. The thing is, it's a fine

line of eating/spacing meals just right where you experience a sharp

appetite and increased satisfaction and anticipation of your next

meal, and going *too far* and blowing it and crashing with the

accompanying symptoms and...despair. This is just a time to

experiment and discover your limits and needs. Wow, get a load of me.

I eat a large amount of protein as well, if I load too much fat on a

daily basis I feel gross. But if I don't eat enough I crave carbs and

nothing else and my mind may just derange itself enough to believe I

should eat what I crave et voila, back on the merry-go-round. Very

humbling. One must be careful with these things.

> I just got tropical traditions coconut cream today for another

> source of sat. in my diet. This stuff has to be bad for you. It's

> like ice cream to me, I love it. There has to be a down side.

Order/buy what you need to succeed. I've found that coconut gives

long, steady energy. It's fantastic to take hiking.

B.

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>, I know this meal got the most criticism but what is the

>difference b/w sprouted buckwheat and ,say, oatmeal?

Not all that much. The oatmeal is a bit less carby, a bit more

fibrous, so it'll have a slightly more even effect on your blood sugar.

>Doesn't that have

>a lot of carbs too? Or maybe there's another reason you are against

>the sprouted buckwheat.

Yes, they're both very carby.

>I'm getting applegate organic sausages from wild oats and these are

>the choices.

I'm not sure what's available where you are, but lean sausages are

kind of self-defeating, unfortunately. What you need, IMO, is a lot

more good dietary fat.

>I wish I had read your comments to Connie before I ordered Mastering

>Leptin. I was really excited to get it. She was the one that

>really pointed out to me that I shouldn't be snacking.

Oh, don't misunderstand me -- it's a very useful book. But it takes

a lot of work, because you have to sift out a lot of chaff.

> I have been

>trying to go longer without eating and today I went 5 hours b/w

>breakfast and lunch. I didn't mean to go that long but I didn't

>have snacks with me. Let me tell you something, you aren't joking

>about starting slow. My knees were knocking. Even after eating I

>felt so sick and nauseous.

I'm sorry to hear that. I know exactly how you felt.

I should have made something more clear, though. Don't just try to

extend the time you go between meals without making the changes that

will enable you to do so without difficulty! Before going longer,

you have to add fat and cut carbs from your diet! That's of

paramount importance!

>I did't feel that

>great. I know you say sat. fats but for me protein makes me feel

>better.

Protein's very helpful when you're feeling crummy, and it's a

necessity at every meal, but saturated fat is the primary element of

a meal that will let you go a long time before needing to eat again.

Again, I want to be really clear: if you start feeling hungry and

your blood sugar starts heading south, EAT! Don't force

things. Just change your dietary composition (and not all at once,

either) and you'll find you're naturally able to go longer between meals.

>I just got tropical traditions coconut cream today for another

>source of sat. in my diet. This stuff has to be bad for you. It's

>like ice cream to me, I love it. There has to be a down side.

The coconut cream concentrate? The only way it could possibly be bad

for anyone AFAIK is digestively, due to its high fiber

content. Otherwise it's good stuff. I use it in soups.

I wish I could get quality straight coconut cream, though.

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Connie-

>I'm not impressed with the school of

>thought that shocking the body, withdrawal symptoms, and

>nausea/headaches is heroic and shows how tough I am.

Me neither. I'm EXTREMELY skeptical of all these " healing " purges

and cleanses and fasts and aches and pains and spontaneous

amputations and hemorrhagic fevers and whatnot.

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> ...and cleanses and fasts and aches and pains and spontaneous

> amputations and hemorrhagic fevers and whatnot.

Oh this made me laugh. thank you

Connie

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>Me neither. I'm EXTREMELY skeptical of all these " healing " purges

>and cleanses and fasts and aches and pains and spontaneous

>amputations and hemorrhagic fevers and whatnot.

What?? Are you saying that when crabs spontaneously eject an appendage they

are not detoxing???

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On 1/2/06, crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

> , I know this meal got the most criticism but what is the

> difference b/w sprouted buckwheat and ,say, oatmeal? A few people

> have suggested oatmeal to me for breakfast and that it keeps them

> full, etc. I've heard Sally Fallon say this too.

Sally puts a minimum of 4 tbsp of butter in her oatmeal, so I think

that's a little different then saturating it with milk in terms of

macronutrient ratios.

Chris

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